re: notebook PC as console

2000-05-26 Thread Cthulu, CCIE Candidate


Mind the blimey wrap!  This has a legacy parallel, 2 legacy DB serial
port, and of course, USB.  Should help!

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section
_Id=35&pcount=&Product_Id=21004&Section.Section_Path=%2FUSB%2FHubs%2F#


Also, remember that Windows NT does NOT support USB;  Windows 98 does,
and so does little Windows 2000.  Windows 95 goes "Duh!  I smell USB!
What USB smell like?"  then you kick it real hard (kludges, drivers),
and it works until you start to rely on it, then it crashes.  Really,
you should say that Windows 95 doesn't support USB.  That is a better
answer!  

Charles


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Posted At: Friday, May 26, 2000 8:49 AM
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Conversation: notebook PC as console
Subject: Re: notebook PC as console


This question was posted by me to the newsgroup earlier - what if you
are
buying one of those new legacy-free PCs that has only USB ports ? I
searched
on the Belkin web site but did not find the USB-to-Serial converter. Let
me
know the part number if you know it.

Thanks,

Bharat Suneja

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> Belkin has serial to USB converters available. USB to Ethernet is also
> available (in case you're interested).
> I'm pretty sure though that all notebooks do come with a serial port.
>
> Vijay Ramcharan, MCSE, CCNA
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>
>
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> From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: notebook PC as console
>
>
> Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for most people,
but
> I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
> Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
> road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()
>
> My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to Cisco
routers
> and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
> notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just not
looking
> hard enough at the spec sheets?
>
> Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its console
ports
> yet? I don't think so!?
>
> What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?
>
> Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use Telnet to
an
> Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.
>
> Thanks
>
> Priscilla
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RE: notebook PC as console

2000-05-26 Thread Vijay Ramcharan

Belkin part numbers:
USB Serial adapter for PC is F5U103
USB 10BaseT adapater is F5U111

Use the link below to get a full list of part numbers as well as some info
on other cool USB hardware.  
They have one that allows you to use PS/2 keyboard and mouse thru one USB
port.
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatSectionView.process?IWAction=Load&Merchant_Id
=1&Section_Id=36


Vijay Ramcharan, MCSE, CCNA
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From: Bharat Suneja [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 2:50 AM
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Subject: Re: notebook PC as console


This question was posted by me to the newsgroup earlier - what if you are
buying one of those new legacy-free PCs that has only USB ports ? I searched
on the Belkin web site but did not find the USB-to-Serial converter. Let me
know the part number if you know it.

Thanks,

Bharat Suneja

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> Belkin has serial to USB converters available. USB to Ethernet is also
> available (in case you're interested).
> I'm pretty sure though that all notebooks do come with a serial port.
>
> Vijay Ramcharan, MCSE, CCNA
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:53 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: notebook PC as console
>
>
> Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for most people, but
> I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
> Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
> road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()
>
> My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to Cisco routers
> and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
> notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just not looking
> hard enough at the spec sheets?
>
> Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its console ports
> yet? I don't think so!?
>
> What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?
>
> Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use Telnet to an
> Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.
>
> Thanks
>
> Priscilla
>
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Re: notebook PC as console

2000-05-26 Thread Bharat Suneja

This question was posted by me to the newsgroup earlier - what if you are
buying one of those new legacy-free PCs that has only USB ports ? I searched
on the Belkin web site but did not find the USB-to-Serial converter. Let me
know the part number if you know it.

Thanks,

Bharat Suneja

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> Belkin has serial to USB converters available. USB to Ethernet is also
> available (in case you're interested).
> I'm pretty sure though that all notebooks do come with a serial port.
>
> Vijay Ramcharan, MCSE, CCNA
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:53 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: notebook PC as console
>
>
> Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for most people, but
> I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
> Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
> road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()
>
> My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to Cisco routers
> and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
> notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just not looking
> hard enough at the spec sheets?
>
> Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its console ports
> yet? I don't think so!?
>
> What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?
>
> Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use Telnet to an
> Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.
>
> Thanks
>
> Priscilla
>
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RE: notebook PC as console

2000-05-25 Thread Albert Ip

Xircom also make a USB to Serial converter.  
http://www.xircom.com/cda/page/0,1298,1_1-55,00.html

Albert

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Priscilla Oppenheimer
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Subject: notebook PC as console


Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for most people, but
I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()

My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to Cisco routers
and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just not looking
hard enough at the spec sheets?

Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its console ports
yet? I don't think so!?

What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?

Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use Telnet to an
Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.

Thanks

Priscilla

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Re: notebook PC as console

2000-05-25 Thread Joe Martin

Ciscos Aquisition of AiroNet supports 802.11 wireless and is compatible with
AirPort for Macs.  Cisco also has PCMCIA Nics for IBM compatible laptops and
desktops (PCI and ISA).

More info located at www.aironet.com and follow the link to Cisco.

JOE
CCNP, CCDP, and a few other things...
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> Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> >
> > Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for most people,
but
> > I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
> > Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
> > road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()
> >
> > My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to Cisco
routers
> > and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
> > notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just not looking
> > hard enough at the spec sheets?
> >
> > Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its console
ports
> > yet? I don't think so!?
> >
> > What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?
> >
> > Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use Telnet to an
> > Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > __
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RE: notebook PC as console

2000-05-25 Thread Michel, Rob

I haven't seen a Laptop without a serial port of some kind yet, but that
doesn't mean they don't exist. My company just got me a new Toshiba 2180CDT
and it has one. I just ran across some New Dell Laptops, (Inspirations?)
also and they had a serial port. They might not put it on the spec sheets
anymore because its assumed.?.

Hope I helped, 
Rob Michel

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Subject: notebook PC as console


Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for most people, but
I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()

My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to Cisco routers
and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just not looking
hard enough at the spec sheets?

Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its console ports
yet? I don't think so!?

What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?

Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use Telnet to an
Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.

Thanks

Priscilla

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Re: notebook PC as console

2000-05-25 Thread Natasha

Hello again!
I'm a Linux user so your question is understandable.
Actualy using a Mac may be better than a Pc and Airport is why!!!
http://www.apple.com/airport/
Does this help? 
Please let me know.
Natasha Flazynski
440.949.1399
http://www.ciscobot.com
My Cisco information site.
http://www.botbuilders.com 
Artificial Intelligence and Linux development 

A bus station is where a bus stops.
A train station is where a train stops.
On my desk, I have a work station...


Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> 
> Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for most people, but
> I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
> Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
> road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()
> 
> My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to Cisco routers
> and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
> notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just not looking
> hard enough at the spec sheets?
> 
> Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its console ports
> yet? I don't think so!?
> 
> What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?
> 
> Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use Telnet to an
> Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Priscilla
> 
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RE: notebook PC as console

2000-05-25 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

No, I just bought a Dell Latitude to a user and he could not plug in his
mouse anywhere, so I had to buy a mouse with a USB plug.

Ole

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> 
> 
> Belkin has serial to USB converters available. USB to Ethernet is also
> available (in case you're interested).
> I'm pretty sure though that all notebooks do come with a serial port.
> 
> Vijay Ramcharan, MCSE, CCNA
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:53 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: notebook PC as console
> 
> 
> Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for 
> most people, but
> I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
> Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
> road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()
> 
> My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to 
> Cisco routers
> and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
> notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just 
> not looking
> hard enough at the spec sheets?
> 
> Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its 
> console ports
> yet? I don't think so!?
> 
> What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?
> 
> Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use 
> Telnet to an
> Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Priscilla
> 
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RE: notebook PC as console

2000-05-25 Thread Westmoreland, Alexis

We use Dell laptops. They have serial ports. When & Where are you teaching
the class? I would like to take it.

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Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for most people, but
I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()

My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to Cisco routers
and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just not looking
hard enough at the spec sheets?

Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its console ports
yet? I don't think so!?

What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?

Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use Telnet to an
Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.

Thanks

Priscilla

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RE: notebook PC as console

2000-05-25 Thread Vijay Ramcharan

Belkin has serial to USB converters available. USB to Ethernet is also
available (in case you're interested).
I'm pretty sure though that all notebooks do come with a serial port.

Vijay Ramcharan, MCSE, CCNA
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Subject: notebook PC as console


Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for most people, but
I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()

My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to Cisco routers
and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just not looking
hard enough at the spec sheets?

Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its console ports
yet? I don't think so!?

What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?

Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use Telnet to an
Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.

Thanks

Priscilla

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Re: notebook PC as console

2000-05-25 Thread Ron Stark

Priscilla,

We use IBM stinkpad 600's and above, they have a 9-pin serial port on them if
that helps you any?

Ron




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Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for most people, but
I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()

My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to Cisco routers
and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just not looking
hard enough at the spec sheets?

Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its console ports
yet? I don't think so!?

What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?

Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use Telnet to an
Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.

Thanks

Priscilla

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RE: notebook PC as console

2000-05-25 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

Hi Priscilla,

If the notebook does not have any serial ports (9-pin-male or 25-pin-mail)
you can get a usb-to-serial converter. I do not know wheither you can get
Cisco USB console cables, but it might be worth a search.

A USB to 25-pin Serial can be found here:

Goto http://www.provantage.com and search for DLNK13U - they have 1 in
stock!!!

Hth,

Ole

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> -Original Message-
> From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: notebook PC as console
> 
> 
> Sorry if this topic is way out of line and too stupid for 
> most people, but
> I'm really a Mac user, so I have an excuse. Because I will be teaching
> Sniffer Pro classes, I have to buy a new notebook PC for taking on the
> road. (Can't buy a Mac ;-()
> 
> My question: I want the PC to also act as a console port to 
> Cisco routers
> and switches. It seems from my cursory investigation that a lot of the
> notebook PCs don't have a serial port anymore?? Or am I just 
> not looking
> hard enough at the spec sheets?
> 
> Many of them have a USB port. But does Cisco use USB for its 
> console ports
> yet? I don't think so!?
> 
> What do you all use for your PC console for a Cisco router or switch?
> 
> Once the router or switch is configured, of course I'll use 
> Telnet to an
> Ethernet port, but I'm worried about that initial config.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Priscilla
> 
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