Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request
The only "problem" with owning a 7000, maybe... is that the power supply requires up to 12 amps. (fully loaded on 110 volts) Since the normal household circuit is only 15 amps - don't share this circuit with your toaster! http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/core/cis7000/7000_him/7000po vr.htm#33135 When I built my lab, the room has 5 circuits - 3 of which are dedicated 15 amps each (one outlet) to the router bank. The 4000 is 3 amps and I think the 4500+ is 4.5 amps. My Cat5000 power supply says 8 amps on it. If you get dual power supplies - that's another matter. :-) Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Circusnuts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Louie Belt" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 12 December, 2000 19:24 Subject: Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request This is the story of a man who said he would stop the motor of the world... Anywho enough with the Ayn Rand Louie :-P Don't get me wrong 4000's are nice, I have one. They do support FE ATM (4500 4700's only), but you'll need to wait in line with the rest of the world (when it comes to finding purchasing these modules ($$$)). If you can no longer stomach the AGS or MGS Frame Clouds (CSC/4 11.0(22)), I would recommend the 7000 router. Dollar for dollar, they're cheaper. You can outfit a 7000 with multiple Serials/ Ethernet/ ATM, for far less than a comparable 4700 would cost. Secondly- you gain the experience of virtually having a 7507 (slight differences), instead of a sorta 3600. Nothing more than my .02 Phil - Original Message - From: "Louie Belt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Mike Bromley'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: RE: 4000 Series Router Comment Request I use both a 4000M+ and a 4700 in my lab and love them. They are fast, modular, and cost effective for a lab. Additionally they support ATM an d Fast Ethernet modules. LAB When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; If I am right, he will learn, If I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both of us will profit. - John Galt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Bromley Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Hi Folks, Does anyone use the 4000 series routers in their lab? They are pretty cheap right now and I was thinking of getting one. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mike _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request
This is in my sh ver: cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xB0) with 32768K/16384K bytes of memory. What model do you think this router is? 4000, 4000m, 4500, 4700? The person who purchased it from said it's a 4000m. -Frank On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Circusnuts wrote: You cannot tell the difference by site, show version tells all. Basically- the processor is different is all 3 (4000/4500/4700). The big changes are 16/4 RAM/FLASH, 16/16 RAM/FLASH, 32/16 RAM/FLASH, the boot ROM's become 4 Meg 72 Pin boot FLASH in the 4500's 4700's. If you see ATM or Fast Ethernet (this FE module is more expensive new/ list price, than a new 3640 with an FE module) for sure you have a 4500 or better (32/16)... Phil - Original Message - From: "Frank Kim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Circusnuts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Louie Belt" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:33 AM Subject: Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Since we're talking about 4000's, how can we distinguise it from a 4000, 4000m, 4500, or 4700? They all look the same. Also, unlike the 2500 series, they don't tell you the sub model from the back. -Frank On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Circusnuts wrote: This is the story of a man who said he would stop the motor of the world... Anywho enough with the Ayn Rand Louie :-P Don't get me wrong 4000's are nice, I have one. They do support FE ATM (4500 4700's only), but you'll need to wait in line with the rest of the world (when it comes to finding purchasing these modules ($$$)). If you can no longer stomach the AGS or MGS Frame Clouds (CSC/4 11.0(22)), I would recommend the 7000 router. Dollar for dollar, they're cheaper. You can outfit a 7000 with multiple Serials/ Ethernet/ ATM, for far less than a comparable 4700 would cost. Secondly- you gain the experience of virtually having a 7507 (slight differences), instead of a sorta 3600. Nothing more than my .02 Phil - Original Message - From: "Louie Belt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Mike Bromley'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: RE: 4000 Series Router Comment Request I use both a 4000M+ and a 4700 in my lab and love them. They are fast, modular, and cost effective for a lab. Additionally they support ATM and Fast Ethernet modules. LAB When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; If I am right, he will learn, If I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both of us will profit. - John Galt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Bromley Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Hi Folks, Does anyone use the 4000 series routers in their lab? They are pretty cheap right now and I was thinking of getting one. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mike _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request
Definately an M model. Though is shows 32 Megs of RAM 16 FLASH, you still have the same 68030 processor that comes stock in the 3000 4000 routers (which does not support ATM or FE). Here's a standard 4000 sho version cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xA0) with 16384K/4096K bytes of memory. Phil - Original Message - From: "Frank Kim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Circusnuts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request This is in my sh ver: cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xB0) with 32768K/16384K bytes of memory. What model do you think this router is? 4000, 4000m, 4500, 4700? The person who purchased it from said it's a 4000m. -Frank On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Circusnuts wrote: You cannot tell the difference by site, show version tells all. Basically- the processor is different is all 3 (4000/4500/4700). The big changes are 16/4 RAM/FLASH, 16/16 RAM/FLASH, 32/16 RAM/FLASH, the boot ROM's become 4 Meg 72 Pin boot FLASH in the 4500's 4700's. If you see ATM or Fast Ethernet (this FE module is more expensive new/ list price, than a new 3640 with an FE module) for sure you have a 4500 or better (32/16)... Phil - Original Message - From: "Frank Kim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Circusnuts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Louie Belt" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:33 AM Subject: Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Since we're talking about 4000's, how can we distinguise it from a 4000, 4000m, 4500, or 4700? They all look the same. Also, unlike the 2500 series, they don't tell you the sub model from the back. -Frank On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Circusnuts wrote: This is the story of a man who said he would stop the motor of the world... Anywho enough with the Ayn Rand Louie :-P Don't get me wrong 4000's are nice, I have one. They do support FE ATM (4500 4700's only), but you'll need to wait in line with the rest of the world (when it comes to finding purchasing these modules ($$$)). If you can no longer stomach the AGS or MGS Frame Clouds (CSC/4 11.0(22)), I would recommend the 7000 router. Dollar for dollar, they're cheaper. You can outfit a 7000 with multiple Serials/ Ethernet/ ATM, for far less than a comparable 4700 would cost. Secondly- you gain the experience of virtually having a 7507 (slight differences), instead of a sorta 3600. Nothing more than my .02 Phil - Original Message - From: "Louie Belt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Mike Bromley'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: RE: 4000 Series Router Comment Request I use both a 4000M+ and a 4700 in my lab and love them. They are fast, modular, and cost effective for a lab. Additionally they support ATM and Fast Ethernet modules. LAB When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; If I am right, he will learn, If I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both of us will profit. - John Galt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Bromley Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Hi Folks, Does anyone use the 4000 series routers in their lab? They are pretty cheap right now and I was thinking of getting one. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mike _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 4000 Series Router Comment Request
I use both a 4000M+ and a 4700 in my lab and love them. They are fast, modular, and cost effective for a lab. Additionally they support ATM and Fast Ethernet modules. LAB When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; If I am right, he will learn, If I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both of us will profit. - John Galt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Bromley Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Hi Folks, Does anyone use the 4000 series routers in their lab? They are pretty cheap right now and I was thinking of getting one. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mike _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request
Thanks Louie! I appreciate the comments. How much memory do you have in your 4000M+? I can get one for $975. Is this too much? I see them on EBay for around $1200. The modules don't seem too bad price wise for what you get. I was hoping to get started with one of these as an ABR in an OSPF setup (Just got the Doyle TCP/IP book). Best Regards, Mike "Louie Belt" wrote in message 000601c0643d$9334d630$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I use both a 4000M+ and a 4700 in my lab and love them. They are fast, modular, and cost effective for a lab. Additionally they support ATM and Fast Ethernet modules. LAB When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; If I am right, he will learn, If I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both of us will profit. - John Galt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Bromley Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Hi Folks, Does anyone use the 4000 series routers in their lab? They are pretty cheap right now and I was thinking of getting one. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mike _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request
This is the story of a man who said he would stop the motor of the world... Anywho enough with the Ayn Rand Louie :-P Don't get me wrong 4000's are nice, I have one. They do support FE ATM (4500 4700's only), but you'll need to wait in line with the rest of the world (when it comes to finding purchasing these modules ($$$)). If you can no longer stomach the AGS or MGS Frame Clouds (CSC/4 11.0(22)), I would recommend the 7000 router. Dollar for dollar, they're cheaper. You can outfit a 7000 with multiple Serials/ Ethernet/ ATM, for far less than a comparable 4700 would cost. Secondly- you gain the experience of virtually having a 7507 (slight differences), instead of a sorta 3600. Nothing more than my .02 Phil - Original Message - From: "Louie Belt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Mike Bromley'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: RE: 4000 Series Router Comment Request I use both a 4000M+ and a 4700 in my lab and love them. They are fast, modular, and cost effective for a lab. Additionally they support ATM and Fast Ethernet modules. LAB When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; If I am right, he will learn, If I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both of us will profit. - John Galt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Bromley Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Hi Folks, Does anyone use the 4000 series routers in their lab? They are pretty cheap right now and I was thinking of getting one. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mike _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request
Since we're talking about 4000's, how can we distinguise it from a 4000, 4000m, 4500, or 4700? They all look the same. Also, unlike the 2500 series, they don't tell you the sub model from the back. -Frank On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Circusnuts wrote: This is the story of a man who said he would stop the motor of the world... Anywho enough with the Ayn Rand Louie :-P Don't get me wrong 4000's are nice, I have one. They do support FE ATM (4500 4700's only), but you'll need to wait in line with the rest of the world (when it comes to finding purchasing these modules ($$$)). If you can no longer stomach the AGS or MGS Frame Clouds (CSC/4 11.0(22)), I would recommend the 7000 router. Dollar for dollar, they're cheaper. You can outfit a 7000 with multiple Serials/ Ethernet/ ATM, for far less than a comparable 4700 would cost. Secondly- you gain the experience of virtually having a 7507 (slight differences), instead of a sorta 3600. Nothing more than my .02 Phil - Original Message - From: "Louie Belt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Mike Bromley'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: RE: 4000 Series Router Comment Request I use both a 4000M+ and a 4700 in my lab and love them. They are fast, modular, and cost effective for a lab. Additionally they support ATM and Fast Ethernet modules. LAB When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; If I am right, he will learn, If I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both of us will profit. - John Galt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Bromley Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Hi Folks, Does anyone use the 4000 series routers in their lab? They are pretty cheap right now and I was thinking of getting one. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mike _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request
You cannot tell the difference by site, show version tells all. Basically- the processor is different is all 3 (4000/4500/4700). The big changes are 16/4 RAM/FLASH, 16/16 RAM/FLASH, 32/16 RAM/FLASH, the boot ROM's become 4 Meg 72 Pin boot FLASH in the 4500's 4700's. If you see ATM or Fast Ethernet (this FE module is more expensive new/ list price, than a new 3640 with an FE module) for sure you have a 4500 or better (32/16)... Phil - Original Message - From: "Frank Kim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Circusnuts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Louie Belt" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:33 AM Subject: Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Since we're talking about 4000's, how can we distinguise it from a 4000, 4000m, 4500, or 4700? They all look the same. Also, unlike the 2500 series, they don't tell you the sub model from the back. -Frank On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Circusnuts wrote: This is the story of a man who said he would stop the motor of the world... Anywho enough with the Ayn Rand Louie :-P Don't get me wrong 4000's are nice, I have one. They do support FE ATM (4500 4700's only), but you'll need to wait in line with the rest of the world (when it comes to finding purchasing these modules ($$$)). If you can no longer stomach the AGS or MGS Frame Clouds (CSC/4 11.0(22)), I would recommend the 7000 router. Dollar for dollar, they're cheaper. You can outfit a 7000 with multiple Serials/ Ethernet/ ATM, for far less than a comparable 4700 would cost. Secondly- you gain the experience of virtually having a 7507 (slight differences), instead of a sorta 3600. Nothing more than my .02 Phil - Original Message - From: "Louie Belt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Mike Bromley'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: RE: 4000 Series Router Comment Request I use both a 4000M+ and a 4700 in my lab and love them. They are fast, modular, and cost effective for a lab. Additionally they support ATM and Fast Ethernet modules. LAB When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; If I am right, he will learn, If I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both of us will profit. - John Galt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Bromley Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Hi Folks, Does anyone use the 4000 series routers in their lab? They are pretty cheap right now and I was thinking of getting one. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mike _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 4000 Series Router Comment Request
watch out for the 4000 series which uses non-standard FLASH and the default is so small as to be useless today. The cards are also very expensive. The 4500s are not so bad aside from the pricy cards Mike S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Bromley Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 4000 Series Router Comment Request Hi Folks, Does anyone use the 4000 series routers in their lab? They are pretty cheap right now and I was thinking of getting one. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mike _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request
They are on the CCIE R/S Equipment list and fair game. The 4000 series routers are still being used today and are solid performers even if they are old. 12.x IOS is available for them if you have proper amount of DRAM and Flash to support 12.x, Enterprise feature sets, etc. All the newer hardware isn't available for them (voice, etc) but for routing, connectivity, etc they are fine. I pick up the older cheaper gear for basic/standard routing stuff connectivity. Have picked up Bay Routers which are cheaper as well. I only have one Cisco in my lab now but I plan on putting $$ down on a newer-model Cisco router which supports voice soon. --- Mike Bromley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, Does anyone use the 4000 series routers in their lab? They are pretty cheap right now and I was thinking of getting one. Any comments would be much appreciated. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
