Re: CCNP= Just some tests
>legal notice corrections in the newspaper, but ask any employer who he'd >rather have... a person who watches the clock and has their pc shut down by >5:00, or someone who puts in that something extra to improve themselves... This is well said. At a recent job of mine (one that I left, too ;D), our dept wasn't one of the most liked ones around; but at the same time we never burned down the doors at 5:00 either. The love-hate relationship. Its all relative. ;) Nick Tucker MCP, CNE, CCNP, CCIE Written ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNP= Just some tests
One edge certified individuals have over their peers in the job field is ambition. Granted there are days when I study where the material reads like legal notice corrections in the newspaper, but ask any employer who he'd rather have... a person who watches the clock and has their pc shut down by 5:00, or someone who puts in that something extra to improve themselves... Heres a thought: Does an accountant need real world experience to pass the CPA? Yeah it helps, but it isn't necessary. Why bust someone for trying to better themselves? Chris >From: "bandrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "bandrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCNP= Just some tests >Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:45:39 +0900 > >Stuart, what is "real" knowledge??? By that do you mean real world >knowledge? I have been doing this for 6 years now in all parts of the >world >and I have found that experienced people have knowledge limited to their >experience. Certified people have a wide range of knowledge but lack the >experience to step up and execute. Look the bottom line is can you get the >system up if it failsperiod. This debate over paper or experience is >unimportant..I wouldn't hire a lawyer if I were in trouble without a >degree >nor one just out of school. Employers are looking for the whole package if >you have experience get certified, and if you have certs get some >experience, volunteer if you have to. But for God sake stop worry about >which is better they both are good to have, technology waits for no one so >keep studying. Peace. > >"Bharat Suneja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >8gl6od$ka5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gl6od$ka5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > That's general knowledge! Yes, you do have a right to opinion though... >:-) > > > > Bharat Suneja > > > > ""Stuart Laubstein"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > After reading a few previous posts about CCNA CCNP CCIE etc I decided >to > > get > > > my 2 cents in. Until CCNP has a lab requirement it will be just a >bunch >of > > > tests. I agree someone with experience will make a MUCH better >employee > > but > > > I think we all realize that anyone who is willing to study and use >some > > > practice tests and maybe a Simulator product will certainly be able to > > pass > > > all the exams to be a CCNP. This being said almost all certs are just > > > guidelines and do not truly show real knowledge. I certainly am not > > worried > > > about the CCNA or CCNP being devalued(it may even happen to the CCIE >in > > > time) because as long as one has the requisite experience and attitude > > they > > > will always find work. I actually find that as more and more >"certified" > > > people come into the market who really dont know their job it >increases >my > > > job security as companies look more closely at prospective employee's >and > > > normally pick the experience over just certs. > > > > > > stuart > > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNP= Just some tests
Stuart, what is "real" knowledge??? By that do you mean real world knowledge? I have been doing this for 6 years now in all parts of the world and I have found that experienced people have knowledge limited to their experience. Certified people have a wide range of knowledge but lack the experience to step up and execute. Look the bottom line is can you get the system up if it failsperiod. This debate over paper or experience is unimportant..I wouldn't hire a lawyer if I were in trouble without a degree nor one just out of school. Employers are looking for the whole package if you have experience get certified, and if you have certs get some experience, volunteer if you have to. But for God sake stop worry about which is better they both are good to have, technology waits for no one so keep studying. Peace. "Bharat Suneja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8gl6od$ka5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gl6od$ka5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > That's general knowledge! Yes, you do have a right to opinion though... :-) > > Bharat Suneja > > ""Stuart Laubstein"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > After reading a few previous posts about CCNA CCNP CCIE etc I decided to > get > > my 2 cents in. Until CCNP has a lab requirement it will be just a bunch of > > tests. I agree someone with experience will make a MUCH better employee > but > > I think we all realize that anyone who is willing to study and use some > > practice tests and maybe a Simulator product will certainly be able to > pass > > all the exams to be a CCNP. This being said almost all certs are just > > guidelines and do not truly show real knowledge. I certainly am not > worried > > about the CCNA or CCNP being devalued(it may even happen to the CCIE in > > time) because as long as one has the requisite experience and attitude > they > > will always find work. I actually find that as more and more "certified" > > people come into the market who really dont know their job it increases my > > job security as companies look more closely at prospective employee's and > > normally pick the experience over just certs. > > > > stuart > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNP= Just some tests
That's general knowledge! Yes, you do have a right to opinion though... :-) Bharat Suneja ""Stuart Laubstein"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > After reading a few previous posts about CCNA CCNP CCIE etc I decided to get > my 2 cents in. Until CCNP has a lab requirement it will be just a bunch of > tests. I agree someone with experience will make a MUCH better employee but > I think we all realize that anyone who is willing to study and use some > practice tests and maybe a Simulator product will certainly be able to pass > all the exams to be a CCNP. This being said almost all certs are just > guidelines and do not truly show real knowledge. I certainly am not worried > about the CCNA or CCNP being devalued(it may even happen to the CCIE in > time) because as long as one has the requisite experience and attitude they > will always find work. I actually find that as more and more "certified" > people come into the market who really dont know their job it increases my > job security as companies look more closely at prospective employee's and > normally pick the experience over just certs. > > stuart > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
