Re: OFF TOPIC -Job Offer without Interview?? [7:2375]

2001-04-29 Thread Tony

Yep .. It's basically a SCAM ... It will be contract .. it will be short
term .. and it probably will be to fulfill some contractual
requirement to have a CCNP onsite (at the real customers site). This could
end up bad in a few ways .. Since you will be working
for this fool that called you, he is the one that is obligated to pay you
(not the customer site you will be working at). The next problem
is that you have no idea what they want you to do! This guy and the customer
could be assuming that a CCNP means you can do some things that you CAN'T do
(nothing against your skill set, but I see more GREEN network guys out there
today than I did 5 years ago and exponentially worst as you go back
further). You could show up and have someone tell you that your job will be
installing and configuring 20 DSLAMs and integrating them into their
existing Newbridge ATM switch (now how much experience would you have doing
that?? maybe you do .. but I'm thinking probably not). If your not working
now and don't have a job lined up that would
be in jeopardy if you take this one then by all means try it !! It could be
a nice reality check or a lesson in what NOT to do next time!

Tony


Greg Macaulay  wrote in message
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 Gd' Day Everyone,

 I need some input (comments, criticisms, enlightenment, suggestions, etc.)
 rather quickly.  I'm in the DC metro area. Someone grabbed my resume off
 Monster and called me two weeks ago -- asked NO technical questions -- and
 basically gave me a brief synopsis of his company -- confirmed my salary
 requirements -- and said he would circulate my resume to others in his
 company and if there was interest, he'd get back to me.

 Last nite -- Friday 4/27 at about 8:00 p.m., he calls again -- asks only
if
 I'm available -- and then says I can report to work on Tuesday 5/1.
Again,
 no technical questions -- simply confirmed my salary requirements -- and
 simply wanted me to FAX a copy of my certs to him.  Nothing else.

 Then I slowed him down.  Asked about benefits, including training, etc.
and
 then asked about the job  Turns out he has a contract with a
 Freddie-something? Agency and needs a NP/DP as he put it (CCNP/CCDP) to
show
 up on Tuesday for about 3 mos.  Althought he assured me that I would be a
 PERMANENT employee and he had other projects to put me on after this job
was
 complete. When I pushed questions about the benefits, he offered to have
his
 benefits person call me Monday -- until I suggested that I come to his
 company offices Monday to SEE his site.

 Now I have to decide whether this is really a suitable position to want to
 put on my resume, and whether it's really legit.  I have serious doubts
 about someone who would hire an employee over the phone, sight unseen (I
 could be picking my toes, drinking beer, a fat old redneck! -- I'm not!).
 If he's willing to hire in such a fashion -- isn't he doing a disservice
to
 his client -- and won't he be just as likely to fire me -- on a whim.  Is
 this a safe job -- am I really going to get paid?  What do I say to the
 client if asked??  I''ve got very bad vibes about this -- but I don't know
 if my suspicions are justified!!!

 All replies will be appreciated!

 Greg Macaulay
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Re: OFF TOPIC -Job Offer without Interview?? [7:2375]

2001-04-28 Thread Earl Aboytes

Freddie-MAC is probably who he has a contract with.  This guys sounds too
desperate.  I
would avoid this situation.  Don't take a job unless you feel comfortable. 
Interviews
for IT candidates are not to see whether or not they like you, its to see
whether or not
you like them.  Right now you have no idea.
Earl Aboytes, CCIE 6097

Greg Macaulay wrote:

 Gd' Day Everyone,

 I need some input (comments, criticisms, enlightenment, suggestions, etc.)
 rather quickly.  I'm in the DC metro area. Someone grabbed my resume off
 Monster and called me two weeks ago -- asked NO technical questions -- and
 basically gave me a brief synopsis of his company -- confirmed my salary
 requirements -- and said he would circulate my resume to others in his
 company and if there was interest, he'd get back to me.

 Last nite -- Friday 4/27 at about 8:00 p.m., he calls again -- asks only if
 I'm available -- and then says I can report to work on Tuesday 5/1.  Again,
 no technical questions -- simply confirmed my salary requirements -- and
 simply wanted me to FAX a copy of my certs to him.  Nothing else.

 Then I slowed him down.  Asked about benefits, including training, etc. and
 then asked about the job  Turns out he has a contract with a
 Freddie-something? Agency and needs a NP/DP as he put it (CCNP/CCDP) to
show
 up on Tuesday for about 3 mos.  Althought he assured me that I would be a
 PERMANENT employee and he had other projects to put me on after this job
was
 complete. When I pushed questions about the benefits, he offered to have
his
 benefits person call me Monday -- until I suggested that I come to his
 company offices Monday to SEE his site.

 Now I have to decide whether this is really a suitable position to want to
 put on my resume, and whether it's really legit.  I have serious doubts
 about someone who would hire an employee over the phone, sight unseen (I
 could be picking my toes, drinking beer, a fat old redneck! -- I'm not!).
 If he's willing to hire in such a fashion -- isn't he doing a disservice to
 his client -- and won't he be just as likely to fire me -- on a whim.  Is
 this a safe job -- am I really going to get paid?  What do I say to the
 client if asked??  I''ve got very bad vibes about this -- but I don't know
 if my suspicions are justified!!!

 All replies will be appreciated!

 Greg Macaulay
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Re: OFF TOPIC -Job Offer without Interview?? [7:2375]

2001-04-28 Thread John Hardman

Hi

Chances are pretty good that this a contact company that is short a person
and are in jeopardy of losing money because they contacted to have x number
of CCNP/CCDP on site and do not have that number on site now.

Go with your first impressions, they are almost never wrong! But it doesn't
hurt to do your research too just in case they are wrong.

--
John Hardman CCNP MCSE


Greg Macaulay  wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Gd' Day Everyone,

 I need some input (comments, criticisms, enlightenment, suggestions, etc.)
 rather quickly.  I'm in the DC metro area. Someone grabbed my resume off
 Monster and called me two weeks ago -- asked NO technical questions -- and
 basically gave me a brief synopsis of his company -- confirmed my salary
 requirements -- and said he would circulate my resume to others in his
 company and if there was interest, he'd get back to me.

 Last nite -- Friday 4/27 at about 8:00 p.m., he calls again -- asks only
if
 I'm available -- and then says I can report to work on Tuesday 5/1.
Again,
 no technical questions -- simply confirmed my salary requirements -- and
 simply wanted me to FAX a copy of my certs to him.  Nothing else.

 Then I slowed him down.  Asked about benefits, including training, etc.
and
 then asked about the job  Turns out he has a contract with a
 Freddie-something? Agency and needs a NP/DP as he put it (CCNP/CCDP) to
show
 up on Tuesday for about 3 mos.  Althought he assured me that I would be a
 PERMANENT employee and he had other projects to put me on after this job
was
 complete. When I pushed questions about the benefits, he offered to have
his
 benefits person call me Monday -- until I suggested that I come to his
 company offices Monday to SEE his site.

 Now I have to decide whether this is really a suitable position to want to
 put on my resume, and whether it's really legit.  I have serious doubts
 about someone who would hire an employee over the phone, sight unseen (I
 could be picking my toes, drinking beer, a fat old redneck! -- I'm not!).
 If he's willing to hire in such a fashion -- isn't he doing a disservice
to
 his client -- and won't he be just as likely to fire me -- on a whim.  Is
 this a safe job -- am I really going to get paid?  What do I say to the
 client if asked??  I''ve got very bad vibes about this -- but I don't know
 if my suspicions are justified!!!

 All replies will be appreciated!

 Greg Macaulay
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