Re: PDM [7:52870]
Remember, firewalls and routers perform two different functions. The PDM is being developed to counter Checkpoint's. Checkpoint is the leader in the firewall market and it has an excellent GUI. Granted there are issue's with CP concerning licensing, OS hardening and support. In a large production firewall environment it's really nice to have a GUI and not go blind trying to read straight text on a daily basis. Rules that I can see "quickly" with color a GUI. Logs that I can see "quickly" with a color GUI. Imagine a company with 20,000 people spread across a continent with a dozen server farms. Now imagine a over hundred or so rules placed on the firewalls to facilitate the needs of the various business groups. Then you take 9 to 15 fulltime admin's managing this on a 24x7 basis and you'll find just how quickly you wish you had that GUI come your shift. Think about it. Somehow there's a server hack and suddenly you've got your boss breathing down your neck and your boss' boss breathing down your neck too, all the while your scrolling through the CLI trying to figure out who, what, where. Finally, printing out the entire running config and going through it line by line with a color marker. I've seen this happen. It's an ugly sight. Just some food for thought... -Eric - Original Message - From: "Kevin O'Gilvie" To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: PDM [7:52870] > PDM > PDM > PDM.. > > I dont see why anyone uses PDM.. > With 6.X you can create groups, objects etc..Which really reduces the lines > in your config.. > I am CLI all the way!!! > Is there a PDM for routers too?? > LOL!! > > Just my opinion.. > > CLI helps you learn the IOS much better then PDM.. > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > _ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=52871&t=52870 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PDM [7:52870]
LOL.. I gotcha.. >From: "Eric Rogers" >Reply-To: "Eric Rogers" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: PDM [7:52870] >Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 02:36:05 GMT > >Remember, firewalls and routers perform two different functions. The PDM is >being developed to counter Checkpoint's. Checkpoint is the leader in the >firewall market and it has an excellent GUI. Granted there are issue's with >CP concerning licensing, OS hardening and support. In a large production >firewall environment it's really nice to have a GUI and not go blind trying >to read straight text on a daily basis. Rules that I can see "quickly" with >color a GUI. Logs that I can see "quickly" with a color GUI. > >Imagine a company with 20,000 people spread across a continent with a dozen >server farms. Now imagine a over hundred or so rules placed on the >firewalls >to facilitate the needs of the various business groups. Then you take 9 to >15 fulltime admin's managing this on a 24x7 basis and you'll find just how >quickly you wish you had that GUI come your shift. Think about it. Somehow >there's a server hack and suddenly you've got your boss breathing down your >neck and your boss' boss breathing down your neck too, all the while your >scrolling through the CLI trying to figure out who, what, where. Finally, >printing out the entire running config and going through it line by line >with a color marker. > >I've seen this happen. It's an ugly sight. > >Just some food for thought... > >-Eric > >- Original Message - >From: "Kevin O'Gilvie" >To: >Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 6:44 PM >Subject: PDM [7:52870] > > > > PDM > > PDM > > PDM.. > > > > I dont see why anyone uses PDM.. > > With 6.X you can create groups, objects etc..Which really reduces the >lines > > in your config.. > > I am CLI all the way!!! > > Is there a PDM for routers too?? > > LOL!! > > > > Just my opinion.. > > > > CLI helps you learn the IOS much better then PDM.. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kevin > > > > _ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=52873&t=52870 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PDM [7:52870]
Kevin, In answering your question... Yes, there is a PDM for routers as well. I believe it's called "Configmaker":-) Nigel - Original Message - From: "Kevin O'Gilvie" To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 9:44 PM Subject: PDM [7:52870] > PDM > PDM > PDM.. > > I dont see why anyone uses PDM.. > With 6.X you can create groups, objects etc..Which really reduces the lines > in your config.. > I am CLI all the way!!! > Is there a PDM for routers too?? > LOL!! > > Just my opinion.. > > CLI helps you learn the IOS much better then PDM.. > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > _ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=52874&t=52870 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
