Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
MADMAN wrote:
> 
> Yes they do have routing to the WAN, they are CONNECTED to it! 
> It's
> most likely the hosts that don't have a route as I and others
> have
> mentioned from the get go and you have now apparently confirmed
> or an I
> loosing it!?!?!

You aren't losing it. :-)

We haven't said our usual answer yet. Send us the configs. Also he never
told us anything about subnet masks. Maybe he's doing something weird with
them, but probably not.

Maybe on the Frame Relay interfaces, he's just mapping to the Ethernet sides
and the serial interfaces don't know how to send to each other?? Can he ping
or trace route just between the serial interfaces on the routers? I don't
think he's told us that. Can the routers ping their own serial interfaces?
Probably not.

If the routers can't reach (from a L3 point of view) each other's serial
interfaces, then Router B can't forward the ICMP TTL from Host B to Router
A's serial interface, which is what he said was the problem at one point...

I was suspicious of Host B, but we do need to see the router configs too.
Does my explanation make sense!? I'm losing it now. :-)

Priscilla


> 
>Dave
> 
> Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > Dave,
> > 
> > In my network, neither router have routing to wan interface.
> If i ping from
> > any host on lan to any interface WAN of my network, **the
> hosts don4t have
> > route to interfaces**. But if i ping on ethernet of all
> routers it works.
> > 
> > Frederico Madeira
> > Coordenador de Suporte
> > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "MADMAN" 
> > To: "Frederico Madeira" 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>
> >>   Really, interesting as more info is getting out!!
> >>
> >>   What happens if you trace from a host on the B LAN to the
> serial
> >>interface of the huawei router?
> >>
> >>   Dave
> >>
> >>Frederico Madeira wrote:
> >>
> >>>Pricilla,
> >>>
> >>>That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router
> and in B side
> >>>cisco 2600.
> >>>Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web
> and don4t
> >>>found).
> >>>Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?
> >>>
> >>>Tanks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Frederico Madeira
> >>>Coordenador de Suporte
> >>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> >>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> >>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message - 
> >>>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> >>>To:
> >>>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Frederico Madeira wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>>A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
> >>>>>B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
> >>>>>A --> B
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Traceroute from host in A to host B:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
> >>>>>traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> >>>>>packets
> >>>>>1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
> >>>>>2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
> >>>>>3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Traceroute from router on A to host B
> >>>>
> >>>>The source address on this packet from Router A was
> 172.1.2.1, guessing
> >>>
> >>>from
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>what else you have told us.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>L002>trace 10.60.60.8
> >>>>> traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
> >>>>>packet
> >>>>>1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
> >>>>>2  *  *
> >>>>
> >>>>Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back
> to 172.1.2.1.
> >>>>Check Host B's routing ta

Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread MADMAN
Yes they do have routing to the WAN, they are CONNECTED to it!  It's 
most likely the hosts that don't have a route as I and others have 
mentioned from the get go and you have now apparently confirmed or an I 
loosing it!?!?!

   Dave

Frederico Madeira wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> In my network, neither router have routing to wan interface. If i ping from
> any host on lan to any interface WAN of my network, **the hosts don4t
have
> route to interfaces**. But if i ping on ethernet of all routers it
works.
> 
> Frederico Madeira
> Coordenador de Suporte
> N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "MADMAN" 
> To: "Frederico Madeira" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>   Really, interesting as more info is getting out!!
>>
>>   What happens if you trace from a host on the B LAN to the serial
>>interface of the huawei router?
>>
>>   Dave
>>
>>Frederico Madeira wrote:
>>
>>>Pricilla,
>>>
>>>That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router and in B side
>>>cisco 2600.
>>>Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web and don4t
>>>found).
>>>Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?
>>>
>>>Tanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>Frederico Madeira
>>>Coordenador de Suporte
>>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
>>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
>>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>- Original Message - 
>>>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
>>>To:
>>>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Frederico Madeira wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
>>>>>B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
>>>>>A --> B
>>>>>
>>>>>Traceroute from host in A to host B:
>>>>>
>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
>>>>>traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
>>>>>packets
>>>>>1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
>>>>>2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
>>>>>3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
>>>>>
>>>>>Traceroute from router on A to host B
>>>>
>>>>The source address on this packet from Router A was 172.1.2.1, guessing
>>>
>>>from
>>>
>>>
>>>>what else you have told us.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>L002>trace 10.60.60.8
>>>>> traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
>>>>>packet
>>>>>1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
>>>>>2  *  *
>>>>
>>>>Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to 172.1.2.1.
>>>>Check Host B's routing table and configuration.
>>>>
>>>>That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try a ping or
>>>>traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its Ethernet
>>>
> side.
> 
>>>>It will probably work then.
>>>>
>>>>By default the router uses the IP address for the closest exit
>>>
> interface.
> 
>>>>You can change the source address that the router uses by using extended
>>>>ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter. That will
>>>
> take
> 
>>>>you into the extended mode where you can set the source address.
>>>>
>>>>Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Priscilla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>B --> A
>>>>>
>>>>>Traceroute from host in B to host A:
>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
>>>>>traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
>>>>>packets
>>>>>1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
>>>>>2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
>>>>>3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
>>>>>
>>>>>Traceroute from router on B to host A
>>>>>FarmPobres&

Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread Frederico Madeira
Dave,

In my network, neither router have routing to wan interface. If i ping from
any host on lan to any interface WAN of my network, the hosts don4t have
route to interfaces. But if i ping on ethernet of all routers it works.

Frederico Madeira
Coordenador de Suporte
N. Landim Comircio Ltda
PABX: 81. 3497.3029
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message - 
From: "MADMAN" 
To: "Frederico Madeira" 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]


>
>
>Really, interesting as more info is getting out!!
>
>What happens if you trace from a host on the B LAN to the serial
> interface of the huawei router?
>
>Dave
>
> Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > Pricilla,
> >
> > That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router and in B side
> > cisco 2600.
> > Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web and don4t
> > found).
> > Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?
> >
> > Tanks.
> >
> >
> > Frederico Madeira
> > Coordenador de Suporte
> > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> >
> >
> >
> >>Frederico Madeira wrote:
> >>
> >>>Dave
> >>>
> >>>A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
> >>>B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
> >>>A --> B
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from host in A to host B:
> >>>
> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
> >>>traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> >>>packets
> >>> 1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
> >>> 2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
> >>> 3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from router on A to host B
> >>
> >>The source address on this packet from Router A was 172.1.2.1, guessing
> >
> > from
> >
> >>what else you have told us.
> >>
> >>
> >>>L002>trace 10.60.60.8
> >>>  traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
> >>>packet
> >>> 1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
> >>> 2  *  *
> >>
> >>Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to 172.1.2.1.
> >>Check Host B's routing table and configuration.
> >>
> >>That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try a ping or
> >>traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its Ethernet
side.
> >>It will probably work then.
> >>
> >>By default the router uses the IP address for the closest exit
interface.
> >>You can change the source address that the router uses by using extended
> >>ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter. That will
take
> >>you into the extended mode where you can set the source address.
> >>
> >>Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,
> >>
> >>Priscilla
> >>
> >>
> >>>B --> A
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from host in B to host A:
> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
> >>>traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
> >>>packets
> >>> 1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
> >>> 2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
> >>> 3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from router on B to host A
> >>>FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
> >>>
> >>>Type escape sequence to abort.
> >>>Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2
> >>>
> >>>  1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 24 msec 28 msec
> >>>  2 10.61.2.2 28 msec 24 msec 24 msec
> >>>
> >>>Frederico Madeira
> >>>Coordenador de Suporte
> >>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> >>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> >>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message - 
> >>>From: "MADMAN"
> >>>To: "Frederico Madeira"
> >>>Cc: ;
> >>>Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:11 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> >&

Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Frederico Madeira wrote:
> 
> Pricilla,
> 
> That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router and
> in B side
> cisco 2600.
> Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web and
> don4t
> found).
> Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?

That's strange, but it doesn't matter. You can still do some
troubleshooting. Here are some questions to investigate.

Why in your testing could Host B send a packet to Host A, but Host B
couldn't send a packet to the serial interface on Router A?

When Host B sends the traceroute to Host A, it's either sending a UDP or
ICMP packet, depending on its operating system. That seems to work. All
layers are working. It can send the upper-layer packet and it has a route to
Host A.

It appears that Host B can't send an ICMP TTL Exceeded message to the serial
interface on Router A, however. That's the crux of the problem. (Traceroute
depends on the routers and target host sending an ICMP TTL Exceeded message).

What other testing have you done with Host B trying to reach the serial
interface on Router A? Can Host B ping or traceroute to that address?

At what layer does this problem reside? Does Host B really try to send the
message? (Use Ethereal to see if it does.) If not, does it have a firewall
that's blocking it? Probably not, since it can send a TTL Exceeded to Host
A. So it's probably a network-layer problem. Does it have a route to the
destiantation IP address (router A's serial interface?)

What does "route print" tell you? What does "ipconfig/all" tell you?
(assuming Windows)

If UNIX, try route -n, netstat -rn, ifconfig.

Of is the router somehow blocking the TTL Exceeded? That doesn't seem likely
since it works in the other cases. I would focus on Host B. I think he's
confused It could be a bug in the router, but something seems odd at
Host B, as a first guess.

Priscilla

> 
> Tanks.
> 
> 
> Frederico Madeira
> Coordenador de Suporte
> N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> 
> 
> > Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
> > > B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
> > > A --> B
> > >
> > > Traceroute from host in A to host B:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
> > > traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> > > packets
> > >  1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
> > >  2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
> > >  3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
> > >
> > > Traceroute from router on A to host B
> >
> > The source address on this packet from Router A was
> 172.1.2.1, guessing
> from
> > what else you have told us.
> >
> > > L002>trace 10.60.60.8
> > >   traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
> > > packet
> > >  1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
> > >  2  *  *
> >
> > Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to
> 172.1.2.1.
> > Check Host B's routing table and configuration.
> >
> > That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try
> a ping or
> > traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its
> Ethernet side.
> > It will probably work then.
> >
> > By default the router uses the IP address for the closest
> exit interface.
> > You can change the source address that the router uses by
> using extended
> > ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter.
> That will take
> > you into the extended mode where you can set the source
> address.
> >
> > Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > >
> > > B --> A
> > >
> > > Traceroute from host in B to host A:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
> > > traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
> > > packets
> > >  1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
> > >  2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
> > >  3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
> > >
> > > Traceroute from router on B to host A
> > > FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
> > >
> > > Type escape sequence to abort.
> > > Tr

Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread MADMAN
Really, interesting as more info is getting out!!

   What happens if you trace from a host on the B LAN to the serial 
interface of the huawei router?

   Dave

Frederico Madeira wrote:
> Pricilla,
> 
> That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router and in B side
> cisco 2600.
> Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web and don4t
> found).
> Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?
> 
> Tanks.
> 
> 
> Frederico Madeira
> Coordenador de Suporte
> N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> 
> 
> 
>>Frederico Madeira wrote:
>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
>>>B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
>>>A --> B
>>>
>>>Traceroute from host in A to host B:
>>>
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
>>>traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
>>>packets
>>> 1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
>>> 2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
>>> 3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
>>>
>>>Traceroute from router on A to host B
>>
>>The source address on this packet from Router A was 172.1.2.1, guessing
> 
> from
> 
>>what else you have told us.
>>
>>
>>>L002>trace 10.60.60.8
>>>  traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
>>>packet
>>> 1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
>>> 2  *  *
>>
>>Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to 172.1.2.1.
>>Check Host B's routing table and configuration.
>>
>>That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try a ping or
>>traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its Ethernet side.
>>It will probably work then.
>>
>>By default the router uses the IP address for the closest exit interface.
>>You can change the source address that the router uses by using extended
>>ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter. That will take
>>you into the extended mode where you can set the source address.
>>
>>Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,
>>
>>Priscilla
>>
>>
>>>B --> A
>>>
>>>Traceroute from host in B to host A:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
>>>traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
>>>packets
>>> 1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
>>> 2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
>>> 3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
>>>
>>>Traceroute from router on B to host A
>>>FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
>>>
>>>Type escape sequence to abort.
>>>Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2
>>>
>>>  1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 24 msec 28 msec
>>>  2 10.61.2.2 28 msec 24 msec 24 msec
>>>
>>>Frederico Madeira
>>>Coordenador de Suporte
>>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
>>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
>>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- Original Message - 
>>>From: "MADMAN"
>>>To: "Frederico Madeira"
>>>Cc: ;
>>>Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:11 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   If you can ping host to host from router A's LAN to router
>>>B's LAN
>>>the routers are working.
>>>
>>>   Humor me, can you ping the remote LAN on router B from
>>>router A
>>>sourcing A's LAN??  If so I stand by my earlier post...
>>>
>>>   Dave
>>>
>>>Frederico Madeira wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dave,
>>>>
>>>>My problem isn4t in host. The problem occour in router. When
>>>
>>>i try to ping
>>>
>>>>in any host to another lan.
>>>>
>>>>Frederico Madeira
>>>>Coordenador de Suporte
>>>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
>>>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
>>>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>- Original Message - 
>>>>From: "MADMAN"
>>>>To: "Frederico Madeira"
>>>>Cc:
>>>>Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:31 PM
>>&g

Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread Frederico Madeira
Pricilla,

That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router and in B side
cisco 2600.
Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web and don4t
found).
Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?

Tanks.


Frederico Madeira
Coordenador de Suporte
N. Landim Comircio Ltda
PABX: 81. 3497.3029
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message - 
From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]


> Frederico Madeira wrote:
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
> > B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
> > A --> B
> >
> > Traceroute from host in A to host B:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
> > traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> > packets
> >  1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
> >  2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
> >  3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
> >
> > Traceroute from router on A to host B
>
> The source address on this packet from Router A was 172.1.2.1, guessing
from
> what else you have told us.
>
> > L002>trace 10.60.60.8
> >   traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
> > packet
> >  1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
> >  2  *  *
>
> Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to 172.1.2.1.
> Check Host B's routing table and configuration.
>
> That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try a ping or
> traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its Ethernet side.
> It will probably work then.
>
> By default the router uses the IP address for the closest exit interface.
> You can change the source address that the router uses by using extended
> ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter. That will take
> you into the extended mode where you can set the source address.
>
> Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,
>
> Priscilla
>
> >
> > B --> A
> >
> > Traceroute from host in B to host A:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
> > traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
> > packets
> >  1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
> >  2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
> >  3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
> >
> > Traceroute from router on B to host A
> > FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
> >
> > Type escape sequence to abort.
> > Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2
> >
> >   1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 24 msec 28 msec
> >   2 10.61.2.2 28 msec 24 msec 24 msec
> >
> > Frederico Madeira
> > Coordenador de Suporte
> > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "MADMAN"
> > To: "Frederico Madeira"
> > Cc: ;
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> >
> >
> >
> >If you can ping host to host from router A's LAN to router
> > B's LAN
> > the routers are working.
> >
> >Humor me, can you ping the remote LAN on router B from
> > router A
> > sourcing A's LAN??  If so I stand by my earlier post...
> >
> >Dave
> >
> > Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > My problem isn4t in host. The problem occour in router. When
> > i try to ping
> > > in any host to another lan.
> > >
> > > Frederico Madeira
> > > Coordenador de Suporte
> > > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "MADMAN"
> > > To: "Frederico Madeira"
> > > Cc:
> > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Hellow,
> > >>>
> > >>>i have a problem in conectivity of my two fr networks.
> > >>>
> > >>>If i ping from any host on LAN1 to any host on LAN2 he works
> > fine, but
> > >>
> > > if i
> > >
> > >>>ping from router1 to any host on LAN2, dont4t work.
> > >>>I understand becouse in two cases the packet tr

Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-22 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Frederico Madeira wrote:
> 
> Dave
> 
> A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
> B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
> A --> B
> 
> Traceroute from host in A to host B:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
> traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> packets
>  1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
>  2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
>  3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
> 
> Traceroute from router on A to host B

The source address on this packet from Router A was 172.1.2.1, guessing from
what else you have told us.

> L002>trace 10.60.60.8
>   traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
> packet
>  1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
>  2  *  *

Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to 172.1.2.1.
Check Host B's routing table and configuration.

That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try a ping or
traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its Ethernet side.
It will probably work then.

By default the router uses the IP address for the closest exit interface.
You can change the source address that the router uses by using extended
ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter. That will take
you into the extended mode where you can set the source address.

Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,

Priscilla

> 
> B --> A
> 
> Traceroute from host in B to host A:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
> traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
> packets
>  1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
>  2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
>  3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
> 
> Traceroute from router on B to host A
> FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
> 
> Type escape sequence to abort.
> Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2
> 
>   1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 24 msec 28 msec
>   2 10.61.2.2 28 msec 24 msec 24 msec
> 
> Frederico Madeira
> Coordenador de Suporte
> N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "MADMAN" 
> To: "Frederico Madeira" 
> Cc: ; 
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> 
> 
> 
>If you can ping host to host from router A's LAN to router
> B's LAN
> the routers are working.
> 
>Humor me, can you ping the remote LAN on router B from
> router A
> sourcing A's LAN??  If so I stand by my earlier post...
> 
>Dave
> 
> Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > My problem isn4t in host. The problem occour in router. When
> i try to ping
> > in any host to another lan.
> >
> > Frederico Madeira
> > Coordenador de Suporte
> > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "MADMAN" 
> > To: "Frederico Madeira" 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Frederico Madeira wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hellow,
> >>>
> >>>i have a problem in conectivity of my two fr networks.
> >>>
> >>>If i ping from any host on LAN1 to any host on LAN2 he works
> fine, but
> >>
> > if i
> >
> >>>ping from router1 to any host on LAN2, dont4t work.
> >>>I understand becouse in two cases the packet trought for
> same router in
> >>>NETWORK1. But via LAN he works, via console not.
> >>>
> >>>any advice ???
> >>>
> >>>Frederico Madeira
> >>>Coordenador de Suporte
> >>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> >>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> >>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>   And if you ping from the router sourcing the LAN it
> probably works
> >>also.  If so the hosts on the LAN don't have a route to your
> WAN.  Make
> >>the default gateway on your hosts the repective router
> ethernet
> >>interface and you should be set.
> >>
> >>   Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-- 
> >>David Madland
> >>CCIE# 2016
> >>Sr. Network Engineer
> >>Qwest Communications
> >>612-664-3367
> >>
> >>"Government can do something for the people only in
> proportion as it
> >>can do something to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Madland
> CCIE# 2016
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Qwest Communications
> 612-664-3367
> 
> "Government can do something for the people only in proportion
> as it
> can do something to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson
> 
> 




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Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-20 Thread Frederico Madeira
Dave

A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
A --> B

Traceroute from host in A to host B:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
 2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
 3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms

Traceroute from router on A to host B
L002>trace 10.60.60.8
  traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes packet
 1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
 2  *  *

B --> A

Traceroute from host in B to host A:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
 1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
 2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
 3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms

Traceroute from router on B to host A
FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2

Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2

  1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 24 msec 28 msec
  2 10.61.2.2 28 msec 24 msec 24 msec

Frederico Madeira
Coordenador de Suporte
N. Landim Comircio Ltda
PABX: 81. 3497.3029
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



- Original Message - 
From: "MADMAN" 
To: "Frederico Madeira" 
Cc: ; 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]



   If you can ping host to host from router A's LAN to router B's LAN
the routers are working.

   Humor me, can you ping the remote LAN on router B from router A
sourcing A's LAN??  If so I stand by my earlier post...

   Dave

Frederico Madeira wrote:
> Dave,
>
> My problem isn4t in host. The problem occour in router. When i try to ping
> in any host to another lan.
>
> Frederico Madeira
> Coordenador de Suporte
> N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: "MADMAN" 
> To: "Frederico Madeira" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
>
>
>
>>
>>Frederico Madeira wrote:
>>
>>>Hellow,
>>>
>>>i have a problem in conectivity of my two fr networks.
>>>
>>>If i ping from any host on LAN1 to any host on LAN2 he works fine, but
>>
> if i
>
>>>ping from router1 to any host on LAN2, dont4t work.
>>>I understand becouse in two cases the packet trought for same router in
>>>NETWORK1. But via LAN he works, via console not.
>>>
>>>any advice ???
>>>
>>>Frederico Madeira
>>>Coordenador de Suporte
>>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
>>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
>>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>   And if you ping from the router sourcing the LAN it probably works
>>also.  If so the hosts on the LAN don't have a route to your WAN.  Make
>>the default gateway on your hosts the repective router ethernet
>>interface and you should be set.
>>
>>   Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>David Madland
>>CCIE# 2016
>>Sr. Network Engineer
>>Qwest Communications
>>612-664-3367
>>
>>"Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it
>>can do something to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
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CCIE# 2016
Sr. Network Engineer
Qwest Communications
612-664-3367

"Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it
can do something to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson




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Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-20 Thread - jvd
Hi,

Remember that when you ping from the console the source address will be the
interface where the packet exists. Therefore I suggest you do an extended
ping and specify the source address as the ethernet address. I'm pretty sure
you will see this is the problem.

Cheers,



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Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-20 Thread Frederico Madeira
Dave,

My problem isn4t in host. The problem occour in router. When i try to ping
in any host to another lan.

Frederico Madeira
Coordenador de Suporte
N. Landim Comircio Ltda
PABX: 81. 3497.3029
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message - 
From: "MADMAN" 
To: "Frederico Madeira" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]


>
>
> Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > Hellow,
> >
> > i have a problem in conectivity of my two fr networks.
> >
> > If i ping from any host on LAN1 to any host on LAN2 he works fine, but
if i
> > ping from router1 to any host on LAN2, dont4t work.
> > I understand becouse in two cases the packet trought for same router in
> > NETWORK1. But via LAN he works, via console not.
> >
> > any advice ???
> >
> > Frederico Madeira
> > Coordenador de Suporte
> > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>And if you ping from the router sourcing the LAN it probably works
> also.  If so the hosts on the LAN don't have a route to your WAN.  Make
> the default gateway on your hosts the repective router ethernet
> interface and you should be set.
>
>Dave
>
>
>
> -- 
> David Madland
> CCIE# 2016
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Qwest Communications
> 612-664-3367
>
> "Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it
> can do something to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson




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Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-20 Thread MADMAN
If you can ping host to host from router A's LAN to router B's LAN 
the routers are working.

   Humor me, can you ping the remote LAN on router B from router A 
sourcing A's LAN??  If so I stand by my earlier post...

   Dave

Frederico Madeira wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> My problem isn4t in host. The problem occour in router. When i try to ping
> in any host to another lan.
> 
> Frederico Madeira
> Coordenador de Suporte
> N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: "MADMAN" 
> To: "Frederico Madeira" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>Frederico Madeira wrote:
>>
>>>Hellow,
>>>
>>>i have a problem in conectivity of my two fr networks.
>>>
>>>If i ping from any host on LAN1 to any host on LAN2 he works fine, but
>>
> if i
> 
>>>ping from router1 to any host on LAN2, dont4t work.
>>>I understand becouse in two cases the packet trought for same router in
>>>NETWORK1. But via LAN he works, via console not.
>>>
>>>any advice ???
>>>
>>>Frederico Madeira
>>>Coordenador de Suporte
>>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
>>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
>>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>   And if you ping from the router sourcing the LAN it probably works
>>also.  If so the hosts on the LAN don't have a route to your WAN.  Make
>>the default gateway on your hosts the repective router ethernet
>>interface and you should be set.
>>
>>   Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>David Madland
>>CCIE# 2016
>>Sr. Network Engineer
>>Qwest Communications
>>612-664-3367
>>
>>"Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it
>>can do something to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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CCIE# 2016
Sr. Network Engineer
Qwest Communications
612-664-3367

"Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it
can do something to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson




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Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-20 Thread MADMAN
Frederico Madeira wrote:
> Hellow,
> 
> i have a problem in conectivity of my two fr networks.
> 
> If i ping from any host on LAN1 to any host on LAN2 he works fine, but if i
> ping from router1 to any host on LAN2, dont4t work.
> I understand becouse in two cases the packet trought for same router in
> NETWORK1. But via LAN he works, via console not.
> 
> any advice ???
> 
> Frederico Madeira
> Coordenador de Suporte
> N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   And if you ping from the router sourcing the LAN it probably works 
also.  If so the hosts on the LAN don't have a route to your WAN.  Make 
the default gateway on your hosts the repective router ethernet 
interface and you should be set.

   Dave



-- 
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CCIE# 2016
Sr. Network Engineer
Qwest Communications
612-664-3367

"Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it
can do something to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson




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