RE: Re: TWO ISP AND ONE FAILURE [7:36371]

2002-02-26 Thread Evans, TJ

This has turned into a really long thread ... Anyway:

HSRP + BGP would be, IMHO, the best option.  It would be graceful and
smooth, not to mention provide automatic failover.
The BIV CAVEAT - this is only true *IF* they can afford to UG their hardware
and if they can justify the IP address space.  If we are still just talking
about one server though this is a little too heavy ... 


For such a relatively small (1) group of servers/domains it may be worth
looking at something like a third-party IP forwarding service.  You have
your two IP's from two ISP's ... give your server one internal/private IP
, NAT on the two routers to the ISP-specific
address.  In the event of a failure, the forwarding service would need to be
notified .  A quick google search gave me a few results,
dynu.com for example.  Don't really have time to see if they do everything
you need, but it is atleast worth looking into!


Downsides:
Usually require SW to be installed on your server(s)
Reliant  on the third party to be in business and working
:)
Annual fee .. I think dynu.com said it is like $25/year 


Upsides:
No router upgrades  
(flash/nvram, licensing ... new routers altogether?)
No BGP activation costs 
(~$350 per ISP and I think $300 for the ASN)
Less config work on your part




... sorry to blaspheme and recommend a non-cisco solution :) ... 
Thanks!
TJ


-Original Message-
From: Yassel Omar Izquierdo Souchay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:11 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: TWO ISP AND ONE FAILURE [7:36371]


Hello i have a frecuent porblem with one of my isp, i have two cisco routers
and each one to different isp. Frequentily i have to change the gateway of
one of my servers, because one isp is failure. I want to know if with one of
BGP, OSPF, RIP, NAT or other protocol i could do the change automatically to
the other active isp. It happening me right now. And when i have to do that
i have to reset one of my servers.. :S. Is a costs operatrion its a mail
server. So if somebody knows how to resolve between routers with different
isp each one, how to route accross the other good gateway.

Thnx in advance
Yassl

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Re: Re: TWO ISP AND ONE FAILURE [7:36371]

2002-02-25 Thread John Neiberger

Not me!  I've been thinking about it some more since at one 
point I thought it would work, then I thought it had some 
problems, but now I'm back to thinking it would work.

One issue with this method is the ever-changing default gateway 
but the other issue is that of source addresses and as I see it 
this can be solved two ways.

First, you could get a decent-sized block from one of your ISPs 
and advertise it using BGP to both providers.  Use NAT to 
translate your internal addresses to an address from your 
global pool.

Second, you could simply use NAT on both border routers and 
translate your internal addresses to the provider addresses.  
One downside to this is that you'd probably need to use the 
links in an active/backup fashion to avoid accidentally 
translating the same internal address twice, each time with an 
IP address from a different provider.  

This isn't as big of a deal if you go active/backup.  Sure, 
there will be some disruption if one link fails but it sure 
beats a lot of downtime and having to manually change IP 
addressing and gateways.

John



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 On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Brian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 So all of you that said hsrp with travking, curious how many 
of you got
 it
 from the q1 issue of packet?
 
   Bri
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