Re: value of cisco cert
Been, They do have fill-in-the-blank questions currently. That does the same thing as a simulation and the only difference to an actual router is that you can limit or have to program for all variables while entering commands. I.E.. ip domain-lookup or the ability or lack of ? for possible commands. Tom Trygar Jim Koniecki wrote: > BEN, > > I liked that feature w/ the novell exams it proved youo knew the interface . > Why couldnt they use a router sim that wouldnt require testing centers to > have beefier equipment and keep exam costs the same . The Vendors would have > greater results but they also make money off of the paper candidates also > my 2 cents > > >From: "Benjamin Walling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Benjamin Walling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "TyRhon144000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: value of cisco cert > >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:24:21 -0400 > > > > > > > >This would be entirely feasible, as Novell does something like that. I > >would > >like to see problems that requires multiple commands and starts the test > >taker > >in exec mode. That way, they show they can get around, and show they > >understand. The one line answers do not lend themselves to prove anything > >except syntax has been learned. Routersim seems to work well, and probably > >could be licensed and modified to serve as in a test environment. This > >would > >add some lab-like feel to the tests and not cause Cisco considerable cost > >to > >administer. > > > >Novell currently has simulations in their exams. They will open up > >administration utilities and ask you to perform a task, generally about 4 > >steps. > >However, they let you click around for as long as it took you to figure out > >what > >to do (there is a time limit on the exam itself, so you could hurt yourself > >doing this). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"TyRhon144000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/31/2000 11:39:23 AM > > > >Please respond to "TyRhon144000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "William E Gragido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED](bcc: Benjamin > > Walling/HQ/INDECON) > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: value of cisco cert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I agree that a lab for each and every exam would be extreme, but what about > >a configuration simulation? > >I think that the test can include an objective that focuses on real world > >scenarios. For example, the CIT exam, can have a troubleshooting problem > >that you have to really have to troubleshoot, and the procedure can be > >evaluated; the same way a the procedure is evaluated on some engineering > >exams. > >Something as simple as that can really enhance the value of Cisco > >certifications. > >I would like to see the value of Cisco certifications increase. > >T. Knox > >- Original Message - > >From: "William E Gragido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Justin Marcus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:03 AM > >Subject: RE: value of cisco cert > > > > > > > Think about the time $$$ that would be necessary for total preparation > >if > > > that were the case. For example, servers are easy enough to build when > > > budgeted for accordingly however a Catalyst switch or a Fore System ATM > >core > > > switch is another ball game altogether. I think that a lab for every > >exam > > > would be an example of ergonomic retardation. Just my 2 cents folks. > >:-) > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > > Justin Marcus > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 5:10 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: RE: value of cisco cert > > > > > > > > > > > > i think every exam... thats involved with routers/switches/hardware > >should > > > > have a lab exam as well as a writen one. > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > > FAQ, list a
Re: value of cisco cert
BEN, I liked that feature w/ the novell exams it proved youo knew the interface . Why couldnt they use a router sim that wouldnt require testing centers to have beefier equipment and keep exam costs the same . The Vendors would have greater results but they also make money off of the paper candidates also my 2 cents >From: "Benjamin Walling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Benjamin Walling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "TyRhon144000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: value of cisco cert >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:24:21 -0400 > > > >This would be entirely feasible, as Novell does something like that. I >would >like to see problems that requires multiple commands and starts the test >taker >in exec mode. That way, they show they can get around, and show they >understand. The one line answers do not lend themselves to prove anything >except syntax has been learned. Routersim seems to work well, and probably >could be licensed and modified to serve as in a test environment. This >would >add some lab-like feel to the tests and not cause Cisco considerable cost >to >administer. > >Novell currently has simulations in their exams. They will open up >administration utilities and ask you to perform a task, generally about 4 >steps. >However, they let you click around for as long as it took you to figure out >what >to do (there is a time limit on the exam itself, so you could hurt yourself >doing this). > > > > > > > >"TyRhon144000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/31/2000 11:39:23 AM > >Please respond to "TyRhon144000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > To: "William E Gragido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED](bcc: Benjamin > Walling/HQ/INDECON) > > > > Subject: Re: value of cisco cert > > > > > > > > > >I agree that a lab for each and every exam would be extreme, but what about >a configuration simulation? >I think that the test can include an objective that focuses on real world >scenarios. For example, the CIT exam, can have a troubleshooting problem >that you have to really have to troubleshoot, and the procedure can be >evaluated; the same way a the procedure is evaluated on some engineering >exams. >Something as simple as that can really enhance the value of Cisco >certifications. >I would like to see the value of Cisco certifications increase. >T. Knox >- Original Message - >From: "William E Gragido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Justin Marcus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:03 AM >Subject: RE: value of cisco cert > > > > Think about the time $$$ that would be necessary for total preparation >if > > that were the case. For example, servers are easy enough to build when > > budgeted for accordingly however a Catalyst switch or a Fore System ATM >core > > switch is another ball game altogether. I think that a lab for every >exam > > would be an example of ergonomic retardation. Just my 2 cents folks. >:-) > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > Justin Marcus > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 5:10 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: value of cisco cert > > > > > > > > > i think every exam... thats involved with routers/switches/hardware >should > > > have a lab exam as well as a writen one. > > > > > > :) > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: value of cisco cert
This would be entirely feasible, as Novell does something like that. I would
like to see problems that requires multiple commands and starts the test taker
in exec mode. That way, they show they can get around, and show they
understand. The one line answers do not lend themselves to prove anything
except syntax has been learned. Routersim seems to work well, and probably
could be licensed and modified to serve as in a test environment. This would
add some lab-like feel to the tests and not cause Cisco considerable cost to
administer.
Novell currently has simulations in their exams. They will open up
administration utilities and ask you to perform a task, generally about 4 steps.
However, they let you click around for as long as it took you to figure out what
to do (there is a time limit on the exam itself, so you could hurt yourself
doing this).
"TyRhon144000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/31/2000 11:39:23 AM
Please respond to "TyRhon144000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "William E Gragido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED](bcc: Benjamin
Walling/HQ/INDECON)
Subject: Re: value of cisco cert
I agree that a lab for each and every exam would be extreme, but what about
a configuration simulation?
I think that the test can include an objective that focuses on real world
scenarios. For example, the CIT exam, can have a troubleshooting problem
that you have to really have to troubleshoot, and the procedure can be
evaluated; the same way a the procedure is evaluated on some engineering
exams.
Something as simple as that can really enhance the value of Cisco
certifications.
I would like to see the value of Cisco certifications increase.
T. Knox
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From: "William E Gragido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Justin Marcus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: value of cisco cert
> Think about the time $$$ that would be necessary for total preparation if
> that were the case. For example, servers are easy enough to build when
> budgeted for accordingly however a Catalyst switch or a Fore System ATM
core
> switch is another ball game altogether. I think that a lab for every exam
> would be an example of ergonomic retardation. Just my 2 cents folks. :-)
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Justin Marcus
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 5:10 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: value of cisco cert
> >
> >
> > i think every exam... thats involved with routers/switches/hardware
should
> > have a lab exam as well as a writen one.
> >
> > :)
> >
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Re: value of cisco cert
I agree that a lab for each and every exam would be extreme, but what about a configuration simulation? I think that the test can include an objective that focuses on real world scenarios. For example, the CIT exam, can have a troubleshooting problem that you have to really have to troubleshoot, and the procedure can be evaluated; the same way a the procedure is evaluated on some engineering exams. Something as simple as that can really enhance the value of Cisco certifications. I would like to see the value of Cisco certifications increase. T. Knox - Original Message - From: "William E Gragido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Justin Marcus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: RE: value of cisco cert > Think about the time $$$ that would be necessary for total preparation if > that were the case. For example, servers are easy enough to build when > budgeted for accordingly however a Catalyst switch or a Fore System ATM core > switch is another ball game altogether. I think that a lab for every exam > would be an example of ergonomic retardation. Just my 2 cents folks. :-) > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Justin Marcus > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 5:10 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: value of cisco cert > > > > > > i think every exam... thats involved with routers/switches/hardware should > > have a lab exam as well as a writen one. > > > > :) > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: value of cisco cert
Think about the time $$$ that would be necessary for total preparation if that were the case. For example, servers are easy enough to build when budgeted for accordingly however a Catalyst switch or a Fore System ATM core switch is another ball game altogether. I think that a lab for every exam would be an example of ergonomic retardation. Just my 2 cents folks. :-) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Justin Marcus > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 5:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: value of cisco cert > > > i think every exam... thats involved with routers/switches/hardware should > have a lab exam as well as a writen one. > > :) > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: value of cisco cert
This is why positions require experience.. companies have seen what it takes to "pass the exam". Don't get me wrong, I've been in the exam situation, I know it takes some time and understanding to pass these exams.. but I also know, from personal experience in the exam situation, that it doesn't take experience on the actual equipment.. this is why "Certification" isn't "God" in the job hunt.. it helps, yes.. but is only one factor. When it comes down to 2 CCNP/CCDP candidates for a job, the next place the employer will look, is on-the-job experience.. What next? a lab for A+? a lab for every MCSE exam? a lab for Programmers? a lab for Network+? then that would degrade the CCIE.. the lab is what sets these people apart from the rest of the world.. a lab is not feesible.. but maybe a few simulations within the written exams. I hear this is what Microsoft is starting on, MMC simulations.. "complete this task".. and at the end, you better have had a clue on what to do. Trevor Corness, CCNA MCSE MCP+Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Marcus Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: value of cisco cert i think every exam... thats involved with routers/switches/hardware should have a lab exam as well as a writen one. :) ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i think every exam... thats involved with routers/switches/hardware should have a lab exam as well as a writen one. :) ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
