Re: Specialization for CCNA (in case you're not aware of it)
Well, it's interesting, but having recently completed the CCNP, I have to say I would not let an average CCNA or some CCNPs set up a PIX or implement VPNs if I didn't think they knew something about routing and remote access issues. Perhaps security is a niche market that can be adequately serviced this way, but will anyone really get this 5 test certification (what is it called - CCNA Security?). Looking at the new CCNP-Security (5 ccnp and 4 security tests), I think I would just go for the Security CCIE - fewer tests and probably a similar study path. Of course I haven't seen what the Security Lab will be like, but I'll bet it's product-centric. The missing component in all these security certifications is a good dose of non-vendor-specific information security and network security foundations. The intro chapter in MCNS is good but not near enough. Anyone with a routing switching certification - CCNA, CCNP, CCIE - knows quite a bit about routing and switching in general, whoever's routers and switches are involved. The concepts have been covered. The same can't be said about the Cisco security certifications. In fact, anyone who relies primarily on the Cisco security certification process may or may not know enough to provide a security solution that meet's a customer's needs. Partial security solutions are not generally what customers are looking for. Hopefully, part of the security certification process will include mentioning that security policy, operating system security and other security areas may need to be part of a coordinated security solution, but are outside the scope of what Cisco security certification provides. My $.02 Arthur Stewart CISSP, CCNP-Security(old), MCSE Ole Drews Jensen wrote in message 2019FB428FD3D311893700508B71EBFB54ADEC@RWR_MAIL_SVR... Some of you might find this interesting: You can now take the Security Specialization if you're CCNA - you don't need to be a CCNP. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/special1/course.htm l Happy Studying, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.CiscoKing.com NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Specialization for CCNA (in case you're not aware of it)
Some of you might find this interesting: You can now take the Security Specialization if you're CCNA - you don't need to be a CCNP. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/special1/course.html Happy Studying, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.CiscoKing.com NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Specialization for CCNA (in case you're not aware of it)
Interesting indeed, but a thought when I read the Security Spec page.. recertification, it states that to recertify that you: "take and pass the current version of appropriate security exams." == plural!! I know literally that means you need to re-take 4 exams! CCNP only requires 640-519 - one exam but it took 6 exams to get there. Does this make sense, that a spec requires more re-certification than the base cert? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Ole Drews Jensen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Specialization for CCNA (in case you're not aware of it) Some of you might find this interesting: You can now take the Security Specialization if you're CCNA - you don't need to be a CCNP. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/special1/course.html Happy Studying, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.CiscoKing.com NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Specialization for CCNA (in case you're not aware of it)
Hmm, you have a point there, plus you have to recertify your spec's every 2 years, where you can wait 3 years on CCNA, CCDA, CCNP and CCDP. So if you take the 1 exam for the CCNA or 5 exams for the CCNP, you can keep the cert 3 years, but if you add 4 exams to become CCNA/CCNP + Security, you can only keep that 2 years, and will have to retake all 4 security. This could be written as a program with a very simple pseudo code: recertify repeat study until certified repeat until cert expired goto recertify The only way that this would make sense is to look at it this way. After you have achieved your CCNA or CCNP, you have to prepare for 4 security exams, which could take a year to get. That way, both your CCNA/CCNP and security will be good for 2 years after you have achieved the security. That way, they will expire at the same time. If they both would retire after 2 (or 3) years, the CCNA/CCNP would expire before the security specialization, and you cannot have the title NOT CCNA + Security :-) Anyway, we can talk about this for hours, but it probably wont change anything. You just have to make your own decision if you want to spend the time and money on getting the extra certifications, or if you want to sit and complain about it without the cert. Right now, I am concentrating on getting my CCNP done. Then I can start thinking about my next move: CCDA, CCDP, specialization(s). Take care and have a great weekend, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.CiscoKing.com NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job -Original Message- From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 1:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ole Drews Jensen Subject: Re: Specialization for CCNA (in case you're not aware of it) Interesting indeed, but a thought when I read the Security Spec page.. recertification, it states that to recertify that you: "take and pass the current version of appropriate security exams." == plural!! I know literally that means you need to re-take 4 exams! CCNP only requires 640-519 - one exam but it took 6 exams to get there. Does this make sense, that a spec requires more re-certification than the base cert? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Ole Drews Jensen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Specialization for CCNA (in case you're not aware of it) Some of you might find this interesting: You can now take the Security Specialization if you're CCNA - you don't need to be a CCNP. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/special1/course.html Happy Studying, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.CiscoKing.com NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Specialization for CCNA (in case you're not aware of it)
You forgot the line about "shell out more bucks" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ole Drews Jensen Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:39 AM To: 'Kevin Wigle'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ole Drews Jensen Subject:RE: Specialization for CCNA (in case you're not aware of it) Hmm, you have a point there, plus you have to recertify your spec's every 2 years, where you can wait 3 years on CCNA, CCDA, CCNP and CCDP. So if you take the 1 exam for the CCNA or 5 exams for the CCNP, you can keep the cert 3 years, but if you add 4 exams to become CCNA/CCNP + Security, you can only keep that 2 years, and will have to retake all 4 security. This could be written as a program with a very simple pseudo code: recertify repeat study until certified repeat until cert expired goto recertify The only way that this would make sense is to look at it this way. After you have achieved your CCNA or CCNP, you have to prepare for 4 security exams, which could take a year to get. That way, both your CCNA/CCNP and security will be good for 2 years after you have achieved the security. That way, they will expire at the same time. If they both would retire after 2 (or 3) years, the CCNA/CCNP would expire before the security specialization, and you cannot have the title NOT CCNA + Security :-) Anyway, we can talk about this for hours, but it probably wont change anything. You just have to make your own decision if you want to spend the time and money on getting the extra certifications, or if you want to sit and complain about it without the cert. Right now, I am concentrating on getting my CCNP done. Then I can start thinking about my next move: CCDA, CCDP, specialization(s). Take care and have a great weekend, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.CiscoKing.com NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job -Original Message- From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 1:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ole Drews Jensen Subject: Re: Specialization for CCNA (in case you're not aware of it) Interesting indeed, but a thought when I read the Security Spec page.. recertification, it states that to recertify that you: "take and pass the current version of appropriate security exams." == plural!! I know literally that means you need to re-take 4 exams! CCNP only requires 640-519 - one exam but it took 6 exams to get there. Does this make sense, that a spec requires more re-certification than the base cert? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Ole Drews Jensen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Specialization for CCNA (in case you're not aware of it) Some of you might find this interesting: You can now take the Security Specialization if you're CCNA - you don't need to be a CCNP. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/special1/course.html Happy Studying, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.CiscoKing.com NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
