Re: Switching Black Book by Sean Odom and Hanson Nottingham
I'm laughing so hard as I write this. God bless Groupstudy archives. Priscilla, As far as the review may not be based on friendship comment, I think Andy proved that it was with the last e-mail. I also found it odd that Carl happens to know of all the authors, even Doug, whom isn't even listed as an author of the book. It's also entirely different case than your book. Many people have praised your book on this list and on Amazon. Why?? Maybe it's because you have years of experience in network design and were able to eloquently put your ideas and experience on paper. However, how can this book be praised as a "save all book on switching" when the author is a "System Administrator". Oh sorry, I mean "the most knowledgable Cisco consultants ever to grace our presence." Really If he is so knowledgeable then why is it that you (Priscilla) had to correct him on the use of IGMP. He thought IGMP meant IGRP. http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/cisco/199911/msg01259.html H, let's see, should I buy a Switching book from someone that didn't know what IGMP meant a year ago. I think not. Anyone can browse CCO and regurgitate it into a book. Just trying to keep the balance of the Universe. --- Priscilla Oppenheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see any reason to apply a cynical explanation for someone's admiration for an author's work. The admiration and good reviews may very well not be based on friendship, as Stupid Idiot is assuming. They may be based on professional respect. Even if they are friends, maybe they are friends because they admire each other's intelligence and communication skills. Priscilla At 06:39 PM 12/10/00, Andy Walden wrote: Stupid, I appreciate you reply. It caused me to take a closer look into your comments and I came across this from Carl Hagan in May2000. "Obviously, you have never met Sean Odom or heard him speak. He is probably one of the most knowledgable Cisco consultants ever to grace our presence. You know why he doesn't keep up with this group? Because everyone has comments like this. It keeps the people who this group could use the most from keeping up with the list. If we all paid more attention to the technical problems we have and the learning we need, we would have people like Sean Odom and Todd Lammle keeping up with the group. Who has time for the Soap Opera that this group list is providing?" It does sound like this Carl guy has an unnatural fascination with this Sean guy. Just fueling the fire... -andy On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Stupid Idiot wrote: Holy crap Robin, that has to be the most blatant plug, from a friend of an author, that I've ever seen! It's morons like you that make Amazon reviews worthless. How much did the authors have to pay you for you to litter this list with your "stunning" review? Just an FYI for the group. I got the Switching Black Book from Sean Odom and Doug Hammond. I cannot believe what it has! I know Sean Odom is known for putting out books that are well written and takes the time to place more than the needed technical information. What I thought I was getting was a atep by step guide on just Catalyst switches and the configurations. What I got? Catalyst switches, ATM LightStream Switches and WAN switch configurations as well. Holy cow Batman! Where was this book when I needed it months ago??? This is a gold mine. I don't think there is any other books like it out on the market yet. It is a good resource to have. Carl Hagan Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Switching Black Book by Sean Odom and Hanson Nottingham
Holy crap Robin, that has to be the most blatant plug, from a friend of an author, that I've ever seen! It's morons like you that make Amazon reviews worthless. How much did the authors have to pay you for you to litter this list with your "stunning" review? Just an FYI for the group. I got the Switching Black Book from Sean Odom and Doug Hammond. I cannot believe what it has! I know Sean Odom is known for putting out books that are well written and takes the time to place more than the needed technical information. What I thought I was getting was a atep by step guide on just Catalyst switches and the configurations. What I got? Catalyst switches, ATM LightStream Switches and WAN switch configurations as well. Holy cow Batman! Where was this book when I needed it months ago??? This is a gold mine. I don't think there is any other books like it out on the market yet. It is a good resource to have. Carl Hagan __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching Black Book by Sean Odom and Hanson Nottingham
What a blatant plug. According to his book Sean was a System Administrator. How does that qualify him as probably one of the most knowledgable Cisco consultants ever to grace our presence. Last time we heard from Sean Odom he loudly defending Todd Lammle's latest crappy book. Sean Odom turned that into a full time instructor job with Todd. Maybe Carls going that route too. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching Black Book by Sean Odom and Hanson Nottingham
I can't see any reason to apply a cynical explanation for someone's admiration for an author's work. The admiration and good reviews may very well not be based on friendship, as Stupid Idiot is assuming. They may be based on professional respect. Even if they are friends, maybe they are friends because they admire each other's intelligence and communication skills. Priscilla At 06:39 PM 12/10/00, Andy Walden wrote: Stupid, I appreciate you reply. It caused me to take a closer look into your comments and I came across this from Carl Hagan in May2000. "Obviously, you have never met Sean Odom or heard him speak. He is probably one of the most knowledgable Cisco consultants ever to grace our presence. You know why he doesn't keep up with this group? Because everyone has comments like this. It keeps the people who this group could use the most from keeping up with the list. If we all paid more attention to the technical problems we have and the learning we need, we would have people like Sean Odom and Todd Lammle keeping up with the group. Who has time for the Soap Opera that this group list is providing?" It does sound like this Carl guy has an unnatural fascination with this Sean guy. Just fueling the fire... -andy On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Stupid Idiot wrote: Holy crap Robin, that has to be the most blatant plug, from a friend of an author, that I've ever seen! It's morons like you that make Amazon reviews worthless. How much did the authors have to pay you for you to litter this list with your "stunning" review? Just an FYI for the group. I got the Switching Black Book from Sean Odom and Doug Hammond. I cannot believe what it has! I know Sean Odom is known for putting out books that are well written and takes the time to place more than the needed technical information. What I thought I was getting was a atep by step guide on just Catalyst switches and the configurations. What I got? Catalyst switches, ATM LightStream Switches and WAN switch configurations as well. Holy cow Batman! Where was this book when I needed it months ago??? This is a gold mine. I don't think there is any other books like it out on the market yet. It is a good resource to have. Carl Hagan Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching Black Book by Sean Odom and Hanson Nottingham
I have to agree Priscilla, I personally have never met Carl Hagan, but he was very cordial when my Switching book came out earlier this year. He liked the way the book was written and provided some really welcome feedback for me. One of my greatest fears when the book was written was that it was going to lay a brick and be the object of scorn. Comments from people like Carl really helped to drive those thoughts away. BTW - Carl, I was not involved as an author on this book - although I did provide material for some sections of it. At the risk of someone (from an anonymous e-mail account) publicly berating me, I have looked at Sean's and Hanson's book and it looks like a quality book with a lot of value for net nuts like me. Maybe we could move the group's focus to the technical merits of it. As an aside, writing a book and working full-time is not a task for the squeamish. I have been to the CCIE lab (close - no cigar) and I have authored a book. I would much rather study for the lab than write another book. Does that tell you something? "Priscilla Oppenheimer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I can't see any reason to apply a cynical explanation for someone's admiration for an author's work. The admiration and good reviews may very well not be based on friendship, as Stupid Idiot is assuming. They may be based on professional respect. Even if they are friends, maybe they are friends because they admire each other's intelligence and communication skills. Priscilla At 06:39 PM 12/10/00, Andy Walden wrote: Stupid, I appreciate you reply. It caused me to take a closer look into your comments and I came across this from Carl Hagan in May2000. "Obviously, you have never met Sean Odom or heard him speak. He is probably one of the most knowledgable Cisco consultants ever to grace our presence. You know why he doesn't keep up with this group? Because everyone has comments like this. It keeps the people who this group could use the most from keeping up with the list. If we all paid more attention to the technical problems we have and the learning we need, we would have people like Sean Odom and Todd Lammle keeping up with the group. Who has time for the Soap Opera that this group list is providing?" It does sound like this Carl guy has an unnatural fascination with this Sean guy. Just fueling the fire... -andy On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Stupid Idiot wrote: Holy crap Robin, that has to be the most blatant plug, from a friend of an author, that I've ever seen! It's morons like you that make Amazon reviews worthless. How much did the authors have to pay you for you to litter this list with your "stunning" review? Just an FYI for the group. I got the Switching Black Book from Sean Odom and Doug Hammond. I cannot believe what it has! I know Sean Odom is known for putting out books that are well written and takes the time to place more than the needed technical information. What I thought I was getting was a atep by step guide on just Catalyst switches and the configurations. What I got? Catalyst switches, ATM LightStream Switches and WAN switch configurations as well. Holy cow Batman! Where was this book when I needed it months ago??? This is a gold mine. I don't think there is any other books like it out on the market yet. It is a good resource to have. Carl Hagan Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching Black Book by Sean Odom and Hanson Nottingham
Stupid, I appreciate you reply. It caused me to take a closer look into your comments and I came across this from Carl Hagan in May2000. "Obviously, you have never met Sean Odom or heard him speak. He is probably one of the most knowledgable Cisco consultants ever to grace our presence. You know why he doesn't keep up with this group? Because everyone has comments like this. It keeps the people who this group could use the most from keeping up with the list. If we all paid more attention to the technical problems we have and the learning we need, we would have people like Sean Odom and Todd Lammle keeping up with the group. Who has time for the Soap Opera that this group list is providing?" It does sound like this Carl guy has an unnatural fascination with this Sean guy. Just fueling the fire... -andy On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Stupid Idiot wrote: Holy crap Robin, that has to be the most blatant plug, from a friend of an author, that I've ever seen! It's morons like you that make Amazon reviews worthless. How much did the authors have to pay you for you to litter this list with your "stunning" review? Just an FYI for the group. I got the Switching Black Book from Sean Odom and Doug Hammond. I cannot believe what it has! I know Sean Odom is known for putting out books that are well written and takes the time to place more than the needed technical information. What I thought I was getting was a atep by step guide on just Catalyst switches and the configurations. What I got? Catalyst switches, ATM LightStream Switches and WAN switch configurations as well. Holy cow Batman! Where was this book when I needed it months ago??? This is a gold mine. I don't think there is any other books like it out on the market yet. It is a good resource to have. Carl Hagan __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Switching Black Book by Sean Odom and Hanson Nottingham
Just an FYI for the group. I got the Switching Black Book from Sean Odom and Doug Hammond. I cannot believe what it has! I know Sean Odom is known for putting out books that are well written and takes the time to place more than the needed technical information. What I thought I was getting was a atep by step guide on just Catalyst switches and the configurations. What I got? Catalyst switches, ATM LightStream Switches and WAN switch configurations as well. Holy cow Batman! Where was this book when I needed it months ago??? This is a gold mine. I don't think there is any other books like it out on the market yet. It is a good resource to have. Carl Hagan ___ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
