Re: [c-nsp] IS-IS or OSPF as IGP?

2007-04-24 Thread Jeff Tantsura
Hi,

It has to do with protocols design.
For new extensions IS-IS just needs a new TLV while OSPF requires some
serious changes.
From my observation:
 few years ago most of new features came out first for ISIS
 last year I see some stuff coming for OSPF first:
 flooding of mesh group info for MPLS TE is supported by OSPF only, 
 some other stuff as well

Cheers,
Jeff
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 Hi,
 
 On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:42:46AM +0800, Joe Shen wrote:
  And, to my knowledge, technical research on OSPF is
  more fertile than IS-IS, and new feature is introduced
  to OSPF eariler than IS-IS.
 
 Well - this is something opinions differ on, given that IPv6 could very
 easily be added to IS-IS, while they had to do a completely new protocol
 (OSPFv3) to be able to make it do IPv6...
 
 I think IS-IS is more elegant due to the way it does v4 and v6 basically
 in a single protocol, all in one go, and with OSPF you need to run two
 routing instances mostly doing the same, but independently so - but
 OTOH, IS-IS using OSI transport, which means if your IP stack breaks,
 your routing protocol might still happily assign reachability (which
 did happen to BT some years ago).
 
 So in summary - use whatever you're familiar with, and what works for you.
 
 gert
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Re: [c-nsp] IS-IS or OSPF as IGP?

2007-04-23 Thread Jeff Tantsura
Hi,
  
http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0006/katz.html

jeff

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 Subject: [c-nsp] IS-IS or OSPF as IGP?
 
 Hi list,
 
 We're redesigning a small MPLS Network (about 30 PE Routers and 2 P
 Routers
 -Link between P-PE: Ethernet-), so far the IGP is OSPF, however  ISIS was
 proposed too.  What is the best? IS-IS or OSPF? and Why? regarding the
 small
 network.
 
 Thank you for your suggestions...
 
 Rgds.
 
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Re: [c-nsp] IS-IS or OSPF as IGP?

2007-04-22 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2007-04-22 03:04 -0400), Richard A Steenbergen wrote:

 Welcome to the miracle of having every config command lag because it has 
 to query against a tacacs server. Sensible people would have a) not 
 designed a system that is so easy to fuck up, or b) at least have a local 
 configuration option which can run commands through an allow/deny regexp 
 without having to query a remote server every time.

CLI Views might be one alternative here.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps5207/products_white_paper09186a00801ee18d.shtml

But quite poorly available on the higher end gear, just came to
12.2(33)SRB. We've used it in CPE's quite long time to provide 
partners limited set of access.

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Re: [c-nsp] IS-IS or OSPF as IGP?

2007-04-22 Thread heh heh
True, but the lag isn't that bad compared to having to reload the router. :)
Defining things locally becomes a nightmare to manage, but having a local
copy that is dl'ed from a central server(s) would be useful


On 4/22/07, Richard A Steenbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 01:40:21AM -0400, heh heh wrote:
  Welcome the miracle of tacacs.

 Welcome to the miracle of having every config command lag because it has
 to query against a tacacs server. Sensible people would have a) not
 designed a system that is so easy to fuck up, or b) at least have a local
 configuration option which can run commands through an allow/deny regexp
 without having to query a remote server every time.

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[c-nsp] IS-IS or OSPF as IGP?

2007-04-21 Thread omar parihuana
Hi list,

We're redesigning a small MPLS Network (about 30 PE Routers and 2 P Routers
-Link between P-PE: Ethernet-), so far the IGP is OSPF, however  ISIS was
proposed too.  What is the best? IS-IS or OSPF? and Why? regarding the small
network.

Thank you for your suggestions...

Rgds.

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Re: [c-nsp] IS-IS or OSPF as IGP?

2007-04-21 Thread Gary Stanley
At 01:50 PM 4/21/2007, Oliver Boehmer \(oboehmer\) wrote:
check the archives, this has been discussed before.. it boils down to
use what you're most comfortable and familiar with, and as you're
using OSPF already, the choice should be clear.

Indeed. Stick with OSPF.


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Re: [c-nsp] IS-IS or OSPF as IGP?

2007-04-21 Thread Alex Burba
How about just to read this: :)
http://www.amazon.com/OSPF-Choosing-Large-Scale-Networks/dp/0321168798/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-8633462-4102568?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1177196013sr=8-2


On 22/04/07, Gary Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 01:50 PM 4/21/2007, Oliver Boehmer \(oboehmer\) wrote:
 check the archives, this has been discussed before.. it boils down to
 use what you're most comfortable and familiar with, and as you're
 using OSPF already, the choice should be clear.

 Indeed. Stick with OSPF.


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Re: [c-nsp] IS-IS or OSPF as IGP?

2007-04-21 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 07:50:32PM +0200, Oliver Boehmer (oboehmer) wrote:
 omar parihuana  wrote on Saturday, April 21, 2007 7:32 PM:
 
  Hi list,
  
  We're redesigning a small MPLS Network (about 30 PE Routers and 2 P
  Routers -Link between P-PE: Ethernet-), so far the IGP is OSPF,
  however  ISIS was proposed too.  What is the best? IS-IS or OSPF? and
  Why? regarding the small network.
 
 check the archives, this has been discussed before.. it boils down to
 use what you're most comfortable and familiar with, and as you're
 using OSPF already, the choice should be clear.

Possibly the single most annoying difference is that Cisco uses the 
command ip router isis tag to activate isis on an interface, vs just 
ip ospf with no router. Now imagine you're tired and trying to take 
isis off an interface, and instead of typing no ip router isis you 
accidentally type no router isis, and guess what happens. :)

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