Re: [c-nsp] tftp woes

2011-07-25 Thread Alexander Clouter
Dan Letkeman  wrote:
> 
> I think the server might be over utilized as well, because if we are
> imaging off of one server and then we tftp off of another, things are
> faster.  So that to me says that its a server problem and not a
> network problem.
> 
> Yes we multicast as well, but sometimes the guys who do the imaging
> want to unicast instead for what ever reason.
>
Our guys need the same (they rarely use the multicast functionality 
although they do still need it) as we unfortunately have to use 
FreeGhost, well I guess it's better than that 'other' ghosting tool.

Anyway, I remember duct taping the problem by configuring SFQ on the 
Linux host in the egress direction to stop the unicast NFS flows 
saturating the link and preventing the TFTP flows from being starved.

Not perfect, but it was good enough as a quick fix.

Cheers

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Re: [c-nsp] tftp woes

2011-07-25 Thread Dan Letkeman
Thanks guys, I will do some packet captures and see what it shows me.

I think the server might be over utilized as well, because if we are
imaging off of one server and then we tftp off of another, things are
faster.  So that to me says that its a server problem and not a
network problem.

Yes we multicast as well, but sometimes the guys who do the imaging
want to unicast instead for what ever reason.

Dan.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Peter Hicks  wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 21:43 -0500, Dan Letkeman wrote:
>
>> After about 12-15 machines start the image transfer the server gets
>> over utilized and the tftp download from the server starts to take a
>> lot longer on the rest of the machines that need to download the
>> imaging software, not the image itself.  Is there a simple way on
>> these switches to prioritize the tftp traffic over the actual image
>> transfer?  Possibly some simple QOS commands?
>
> tftp is UDP-based, have you checked the whole network to make sure you
> don't have a duff link producing errors and dropping UDP packets?  Are
> you suffering over-utilization at any point?
>
> Is the initial software download happening in a machine's PXE
> environment?  If so, the timeout for tftp packets may be a lot larger
> than you expect, hence a single packet being dropped equates a much
> larger impact.
>
> Have you looked at a multicast-based solution for imaging the machines?
>
>
> Peter
>
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Re: [c-nsp] tftp woes

2011-07-25 Thread Peter Hicks
On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 21:43 -0500, Dan Letkeman wrote:

> After about 12-15 machines start the image transfer the server gets
> over utilized and the tftp download from the server starts to take a
> lot longer on the rest of the machines that need to download the
> imaging software, not the image itself.  Is there a simple way on
> these switches to prioritize the tftp traffic over the actual image
> transfer?  Possibly some simple QOS commands?

tftp is UDP-based, have you checked the whole network to make sure you
don't have a duff link producing errors and dropping UDP packets?  Are
you suffering over-utilization at any point?

Is the initial software download happening in a machine's PXE
environment?  If so, the timeout for tftp packets may be a lot larger
than you expect, hence a single packet being dropped equates a much
larger impact.

Have you looked at a multicast-based solution for imaging the machines?


Peter

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[c-nsp] tftp woes

2011-07-24 Thread Dan Letkeman
Hello,

We have imaging servers in all of our locations, and we normally image
around 30 to 60 machines at once.  The image is usually stored on a
server with local SAS raid storage, which is connected to a 3560G
at1Gbps, and then to 2960's (10/100 w/Gig Uplinks to the 3560G).

After about 12-15 machines start the image transfer the server gets
over utilized and the tftp download from the server starts to take a
lot longer on the rest of the machines that need to download the
imaging software, not the image itself.  Is there a simple way on
these switches to prioritize the tftp traffic over the actual image
transfer?  Possibly some simple QOS commands?

Thanks,
Dan.
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