[cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ?
I know I have a lot of reading and catching up to do, but I'm wondering if it's possible to deploy Jabber across our organization (even if just for a small pilot) without an IM/presence installation? If possible, what do I lose? I'm assuming the obvious presence modality options are not available, but are there others? Would I simply be deploying Jabber as a soft phone client? I'm looking at deploying these for desktops and mobile devices. On a side note: Do they even make a soft phone any more, ie IP Communicator? Thanks. Sent from my iPad ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ?
Yes. First you set it up to be phone only. Actually now that I look at this I realized - it is a username being used, I just have all my lab device usernames matching the extensions. [cid:image001.png@01D0089E.38EE9840] Then login: [cid:image002.png@01D0089E.38EE9840] -Original Message- From: Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:49 AM To: Walenta, Philip Cc: cisco-voip voyp list Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ? You say extension and password, it's not username? Sent from my iPad On Nov 25, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Walenta, Philip philip.wale...@polycom.commailto:philip.wale...@polycom.com wrote: I'm not sure about the pure soft phone. It is possible to run without IMP, I do it in several of my labs. You login with extension/password only and it works purely like a soft phone. -Original Message- From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Lelio Fulgenzi Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:42 AM To: cisco-voip voyp list Subject: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ? I know I have a lot of reading and catching up to do, but I'm wondering if it's possible to deploy Jabber across our organization (even if just for a small pilot) without an IM/presence installation? If possible, what do I lose? I'm assuming the obvious presence modality options are not available, but are there others? Would I simply be deploying Jabber as a soft phone client? I'm looking at deploying these for desktops and mobile devices. On a side note: Do they even make a soft phone any more, ie IP Communicator? Thanks. Sent from my iPad ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.netmailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ?
Your looking for Jabber Phone mode. Some clients support it some don't. I believe we're still waiting for Mac phone mode. Normally when you say jabber for everyone your talking about free imp with no softphone. Softphone is always licensed. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi le...@uoguelph.ca wrote: I know I have a lot of reading and catching up to do, but I'm wondering if it's possible to deploy Jabber across our organization (even if just for a small pilot) without an IM/presence installation? If possible, what do I lose? I'm assuming the obvious presence modality options are not available, but are there others? Would I simply be deploying Jabber as a soft phone client? I'm looking at deploying these for desktops and mobile devices. On a side note: Do they even make a soft phone any more, ie IP Communicator? Thanks. Sent from my iPad ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ?
Thanks for clearing that up. It's good to know that some platforms don't support phone only mode. We have Enhanced licenses, not Enhanced Plus, I'm hoping that each user can have at least one Jabber instance. I'm also hoping that I don't need enhanced plus for users to have multiple jabber instances. According to this, it looks like I'm set: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/unified-communications/unified-communications-licensing/product_solution_overview0900aecd806cc7a4.html Lelio Sent from my iPad On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:37 PM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Your looking for Jabber Phone mode. Some clients support it some don't. I believe we're still waiting for Mac phone mode. Normally when you say jabber for everyone your talking about free imp with no softphone. Softphone is always licensed. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi le...@uoguelph.ca wrote: I know I have a lot of reading and catching up to do, but I'm wondering if it's possible to deploy Jabber across our organization (even if just for a small pilot) without an IM/presence installation? If possible, what do I lose? I'm assuming the obvious presence modality options are not available, but are there others? Would I simply be deploying Jabber as a soft phone client? I'm looking at deploying these for desktops and mobile devices. On a side note: Do they even make a soft phone any more, ie IP Communicator? Thanks. Sent from my iPad ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ?
If they take up an enhanced license, I'm ok with that. We have enough to go around for now. My concern is if, after pairing a hard phone and a jabber client to the same userID, the system wants to use an enhanced plus license. I don't have any if those and I'm not keen on operating in non-compliance mode. Comments on that? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:48 PM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. Each Jabber softphone client will use its own enhanced license, so if a user want Jabber on a PC/MAC and on a iPhone, that is 3 enhanced licenses including one deskphone. Just like CIPC. From: Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:14 AM To: NateCCIE Cc: cisco-voip voyp list Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ? Thanks for clearing that up. It's good to know that some platforms don't support phone only mode. We have Enhanced licenses, not Enhanced Plus, I'm hoping that each user can have at least one Jabber instance. I'm also hoping that I don't need enhanced plus for users to have multiple jabber instances. According to this, it looks like I'm set: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/unified-communications/unified-communications-licensing/product_solution_overview0900aecd806cc7a4.html Lelio Sent from my iPad On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:37 PM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Your looking for Jabber Phone mode. Some clients support it some don't. I believe we're still waiting for Mac phone mode. Normally when you say jabber for everyone your talking about free imp with no softphone. Softphone is always licensed. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi le...@uoguelph.ca wrote: I know I have a lot of reading and catching up to do, but I'm wondering if it's possible to deploy Jabber across our organization (even if just for a small pilot) without an IM/presence installation? If possible, what do I lose? I'm assuming the obvious presence modality options are not available, but are there others? Would I simply be deploying Jabber as a soft phone client? I'm looking at deploying these for desktops and mobile devices. On a side note: Do they even make a soft phone any more, ie IP Communicator? Thanks. Sent from my iPad ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ?
From a licensing perspective a CSF or other soft-client device added to UCM and assigned to a user counts as a phone. If your license gets your users 1 phone then you get pick hard or soft phone. If you get 2 then you can have one of each (if you have CUWL and your users get 10 then buy more phones). Going Jabber without IMP means you are only doing soft-phone mode (Phone-only) as mentioned earlier, and that's not a free feature in Jabber. -Ryan On Nov 25, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi le...@uoguelph.camailto:le...@uoguelph.ca wrote: If they take up an enhanced license, I'm ok with that. We have enough to go around for now. My concern is if, after pairing a hard phone and a jabber client to the same userID, the system wants to use an enhanced plus license. I don't have any if those and I'm not keen on operating in non-compliance mode. Comments on that? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:48 PM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.commailto:natec...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. Each Jabber softphone client will use its own enhanced license, so if a user want Jabber on a PC/MAC and on a iPhone, that is 3 enhanced licenses including one deskphone. Just like CIPC. From: Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:14 AM To: NateCCIE Cc: cisco-voip voyp list Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ? Thanks for clearing that up. It's good to know that some platforms don't support phone only mode. We have Enhanced licenses, not Enhanced Plus, I'm hoping that each user can have at least one Jabber instance. I'm also hoping that I don't need enhanced plus for users to have multiple jabber instances. According to this, it looks like I'm set: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/unified-communications/unified-communications-licensing/product_solution_overview0900aecd806cc7a4.html Lelio Sent from my iPad On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:37 PM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.commailto:natec...@gmail.com wrote: Your looking for Jabber Phone mode. Some clients support it some don't. I believe we're still waiting for Mac phone mode. Normally when you say jabber for everyone your talking about free imp with no softphone. Softphone is always licensed. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi le...@uoguelph.camailto:le...@uoguelph.ca wrote: I know I have a lot of reading and catching up to do, but I'm wondering if it's possible to deploy Jabber across our organization (even if just for a small pilot) without an IM/presence installation? If possible, what do I lose? I'm assuming the obvious presence modality options are not available, but are there others? Would I simply be deploying Jabber as a soft phone client? I'm looking at deploying these for desktops and mobile devices. On a side note: Do they even make a soft phone any more, ie IP Communicator? Thanks. Sent from my iPad ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.netmailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.netmailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ?
Licensing and making things work are completely separate. So as long as you leave the device anonymous/public space a user will not move up to the higher tier of licensing. From: Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:13 PM To: NateCCIE Cc: cisco-voip voyp list Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ? If they take up an enhanced license, I'm ok with that. We have enough to go around for now. My concern is if, after pairing a hard phone and a jabber client to the same userID, the system wants to use an enhanced plus license. I don't have any if those and I'm not keen on operating in non-compliance mode. Comments on that? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:48 PM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com mailto:natec...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. Each Jabber softphone client will use its own enhanced license, so if a user want Jabber on a PC/MAC and on a iPhone, that is 3 enhanced licenses including one deskphone. Just like CIPC. From: Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:14 AM To: NateCCIE Cc: cisco-voip voyp list Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ? Thanks for clearing that up. It's good to know that some platforms don't support phone only mode. We have Enhanced licenses, not Enhanced Plus, I'm hoping that each user can have at least one Jabber instance. I'm also hoping that I don't need enhanced plus for users to have multiple jabber instances. According to this, it looks like I'm set: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/unified-communications/unified-communications-licensing/product_solution_overview0900aecd806cc7a4.html Lelio Sent from my iPad On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:37 PM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com mailto:natec...@gmail.com wrote: Your looking for Jabber Phone mode. Some clients support it some don't. I believe we're still waiting for Mac phone mode. Normally when you say jabber for everyone your talking about free imp with no softphone. Softphone is always licensed. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi le...@uoguelph.ca mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca wrote: I know I have a lot of reading and catching up to do, but I'm wondering if it's possible to deploy Jabber across our organization (even if just for a small pilot) without an IM/presence installation? If possible, what do I lose? I'm assuming the obvious presence modality options are not available, but are there others? Would I simply be deploying Jabber as a soft phone client? I'm looking at deploying these for desktops and mobile devices. On a side note: Do they even make a soft phone any more, ie IP Communicator? Thanks. Sent from my iPad ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ?
Fair enough. I know that with SNR you need to associate both the hard phone and remote destination profile to the same userid to make things work. I'm wondering what the differences would be with both devices configured configured as anonymous. I'm guessing 'remotely' controlling the hard phone with the soft clients is out. I could always try for a short period of time and be out of compliance. Thanks everyone. Lelio Sent from my iPad On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:47 PM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Licensing and making things work are completely separate. So as long as you leave the device anonymous/public space a user will not move up to the higher tier of licensing. From: Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:13 PM To: NateCCIE Cc: cisco-voip voyp list Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ? If they take up an enhanced license, I'm ok with that. We have enough to go around for now. My concern is if, after pairing a hard phone and a jabber client to the same userID, the system wants to use an enhanced plus license. I don't have any if those and I'm not keen on operating in non-compliance mode. Comments on that? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:48 PM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. Each Jabber softphone client will use its own enhanced license, so if a user want Jabber on a PC/MAC and on a iPhone, that is 3 enhanced licenses including one deskphone. Just like CIPC. From: Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:14 AM To: NateCCIE Cc: cisco-voip voyp list Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Jabber (Everyone) without IM/Presence ? Thanks for clearing that up. It's good to know that some platforms don't support phone only mode. We have Enhanced licenses, not Enhanced Plus, I'm hoping that each user can have at least one Jabber instance. I'm also hoping that I don't need enhanced plus for users to have multiple jabber instances. According to this, it looks like I'm set: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/unified-communications/unified-communications-licensing/product_solution_overview0900aecd806cc7a4.html Lelio Sent from my iPad On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:37 PM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Your looking for Jabber Phone mode. Some clients support it some don't. I believe we're still waiting for Mac phone mode. Normally when you say jabber for everyone your talking about free imp with no softphone. Softphone is always licensed. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi le...@uoguelph.ca wrote: I know I have a lot of reading and catching up to do, but I'm wondering if it's possible to deploy Jabber across our organization (even if just for a small pilot) without an IM/presence installation? If possible, what do I lose? I'm assuming the obvious presence modality options are not available, but are there others? Would I simply be deploying Jabber as a soft phone client? I'm looking at deploying these for desktops and mobile devices. On a side note: Do they even make a soft phone any more, ie IP Communicator? Thanks. Sent from my iPad ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
Re: [cisco-voip] Why does CCX have the CUCM Informix Tables?
Hi Matthew, All the platform related information is stored in the platform database. I know it is a bit strange to have two database instances, but the UCCX basically inherits the CUCM platform and builds its application and database on top of it. Therefore, the platform database (utils dbreplication runtimestate) remains same as the CUCM and you have the UCCX DBReplication (resources, historical data and so on) built on top of it. So all your processnode entries, platform related information etc recide in the platform DB. For all purposes (pre-9.0) platform replication being down will not affect NORMAL UCCX operations – day to day calls and agent login, but affects ability to change application admin password, updating platform config and so on. Starting from 9.0, the platform replication being down is not something which can be ignored but affects functionality of CUIC and other co-resident applications which use this platform ER for replicating data. Regards, Abhiram Kramadhati CCIE Voice # 40065 Contact Center TAC Cisco Systems From: Matthew Loraditch mloradi...@heliontechnologies.commailto:mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com Date: Wednesday, 26 November 2014 9:29 am To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.netmailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net cisco-voip@puck.nether.netmailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net Subject: [cisco-voip] Why does CCX have the CUCM Informix Tables? Working on a TAC case where a switch-version is failing… and anyway, they are pointing to issues with the CUCM tables not replicating and are having me do the normal CLI commands you do on CUCM to fix things (utils dbreplication reset all, etc) So at this point I am just super curious, why the heck do these tables exist on CCX My CCX db is fine and replicating correctly… I know they share underlying platform stuff but stil…. Matthew G. Loraditch – CCNP-Voice, CCNA, CCDA 1965 Greenspring Drive Timonium, MD 21093 voice. 410.252.8830 fax. 410.252.9284 Twitterhttp://twitter.com/heliontech | Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Helion/252157915296 | Websitehttp://www.heliontechnologies.com/ | Email Supportmailto:supp...@heliontechnologies.com?subject=Technical%20Support%20Request ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
Re: [cisco-voip] Why does CCX have the CUCM Informix Tables?
I may be wrong about this, but isn't it the underlying pub/sub stuff? I ran into this a while back where dbreplication wasn't working but the ccx db was. Turned out it was the passwords weren't synced between the databases, they had to root the box and run a script to sync 60+ passwords between tables. A previous encryption password didn't get populated properly on an 8.5 setup, I was told it was related to a re-ip that didn't go well. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Matthew Loraditch mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com wrote: Working on a TAC case where a switch-version is failing… and anyway, they are pointing to issues with the CUCM tables not replicating and are having me do the normal CLI commands you do on CUCM to fix things (utils dbreplication reset all, etc) So at this point I am just super curious, why the heck do these tables exist on CCX My CCX db is fine and replicating correctly… I know they share underlying platform stuff but stil…. Matthew G. Loraditch – CCNP-Voice, CCNA, CCDA 1965 Greenspring Drive Timonium, MD 21093 voice. 410.252.8830 fax. 410.252.9284 Twitter http://twitter.com/heliontech | Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Helion/252157915296 | Website http://www.heliontechnologies.com/ | Email Support supp...@heliontechnologies.com?subject=Technical%20Support%20Request ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
