Re: [Clamav-users] Once again, daily updates being announced but nowhere to be found
Still stuck - DNS and mirror says 9002, yet 9009 has been announced. Cheers, Phil -- Phil Randal | Networks Engineer Herefordshire Council | Deputy Chief Executive's Office | I.C.T. Services Division Thorn Office Centre, Rotherwas, Hereford, HR2 6JT Tel: 01432 260160 email: pran...@herefordshire.gov.uk Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Herefordshire Council. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of it. -Original Message- From: clamav-users-boun...@lists.clamav.net [mailto:clamav-users-boun...@lists.clamav.net] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil Sent: 18 February 2009 17:31 To: ClamAV users ML Subject: [Clamav-users] Once again,daily updates being announced but nowhere to be found Just a heads up. DNS is still reporting 9002, which seems to be the latest on mirrors, yet 9005 has been announced. Cheers, Phil -- Phil Randal | Networks Engineer Herefordshire Council | Deputy Chief Executive's Office | I.C.T. Services Division Thorn Office Centre, Rotherwas, Hereford, HR2 6JT Tel: 01432 260160 email: pran...@herefordshire.gov.uk Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Herefordshire Council. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of it. ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
--On 18 February 2009 14:26:11 -0800 Dennis Peterson denni...@inetnw.com wrote: Jim Potter wrote: please remove me from your mailing list. thank you. The instructions for you to follow to get this done are in the headers of every post from this list server. It's pretty much self-service. dp ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml Can we not have the list unsubscribe link in the footer, too? It's a legal requirement in the UK to have an easy to use mechanism to unsubscribe to marketing emails. The definition of marketing would definitely extend to promotion of free open source software. Whether it also extends to a support list like this might be debatable, but surely the developers of software developed mainly in response to the spamming industry ought to be following best practice. As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. -- Ian Eiloart IT Services, University of Sussex x3148 ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
[Clamav-users] OT: Re: please remove
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 10:50 +, Ian Eiloart wrote:
http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Can we not have the list unsubscribe link in the footer, too? It's a legal
Maybe start by following the link you quoted... ;)
requirement in the UK to have an easy to use mechanism to unsubscribe to
marketing emails. The definition of marketing would definitely extend to
promotion of free open source software. Whether it also extends to a
This is NOT marketing, neither promotion.
support list like this might be debatable, but surely the developers of
software developed mainly in response to the spamming industry ought to be
following best practice.
Those guys managed to subscribe themselfs, somehow. Too bad some (quite
rare on technical lists) individuals seem to forget how they did that.
*shrug*
As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by
default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. Some
MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers.
Evolution does. Nope, doesn't display the header verbatim, but offers
Unsubscribe, Get Info and other actions on all mailing list posts.
guenther -- crawls back into his hole for more coffee
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Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 18 February 2009 14:26:11 -0800 Dennis Peterson denni...@inetnw.com wrote: Jim Potter wrote: please remove me from your mailing list. thank you. The instructions for you to follow to get this done are in the headers of every post from this list server. It's pretty much self-service. dp ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml Can we not have the list unsubscribe link in the footer, too? It's a legal requirement in the UK to have an easy to use mechanism to unsubscribe to marketing emails. The definition of marketing would definitely extend to promotion of free open source software. Whether it also extends to a support list like this might be debatable, but surely the developers of software developed mainly in response to the spamming industry ought to be following best practice. As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. Seeing this list is clearly an OPT-IN affair, those rules are mostly irrelevant, and - as stated - the required info *is* provided... Having said that, I do think it would be a good idea to expose the unsubscribe link in the footer, even though nobody will read it anyway... ;) --FP ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
Francesco Peeters wrote: Seeing this list is clearly an OPT-IN affair, those rules are mostly irrelevant, and - as stated - the required info *is* provided... Having said that, I do think it would be a good idea to expose the unsubscribe link in the footer, even though nobody will read it anyway... ;) --FP ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml The above page would be a good place to put unsubscribe instructions, too. Cheers, Phil -- Phil Randal | Networks Engineer Herefordshire Council | Deputy Chief Executive's Office | I.C.T. Services Division Thorn Office Centre, Rotherwas, Hereford, HR2 6JT Tel: 01432 260160 email: pran...@herefordshire.gov.uk Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Herefordshire Council. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of it. ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
Alpine and afaicr pine expose this information. Each ML mail has a link at the bottom in the mail viewer which gives you a list of all the things you can do e.g. unsubscribe. Stu. On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 18 February 2009 14:26:11 -0800 Dennis Peterson denni...@inetnw.com wrote: Jim Potter wrote: please remove me from your mailing list. thank you. The instructions for you to follow to get this done are in the headers of every post from this list server. It's pretty much self-service. dp ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml Can we not have the list unsubscribe link in the footer, too? It's a legal requirement in the UK to have an easy to use mechanism to unsubscribe to marketing emails. The definition of marketing would definitely extend to promotion of free open source software. Whether it also extends to a support list like this might be debatable, but surely the developers of software developed mainly in response to the spamming industry ought to be following best practice. As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. -- Ian Eiloart IT Services, University of Sussex x3148 ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
Stuart Rowan wrote: Alpine and afaicr pine expose this information. Each ML mail has a link at the bottom in the mail viewer which gives you a list of all the things you can do e.g. unsubscribe. Stu. On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 18 February 2009 14:26:11 -0800 Dennis Peterson denni...@inetnw.com wrote: Jim Potter wrote: please remove me from your mailing list. thank you. The instructions for you to follow to get this done are in the headers of every post from this list server. It's pretty much self-service. dp ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml Can we not have the list unsubscribe link in the footer, too? It's a legal requirement in the UK to have an easy to use mechanism to unsubscribe to marketing emails. The definition of marketing would definitely extend to promotion of free open source software. Whether it also extends to a support list like this might be debatable, but surely the developers of software developed mainly in response to the spamming industry ought to be following best practice. As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. Thunderbird doesn't by default, but has a plugin that *does*... --FP ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
Stuart Rowan wrote: Alpine and afaicr pine expose this information. Each ML mail has a link at the bottom in the mail viewer which gives you a list of all the things you can do e.g. unsubscribe. Stu. On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 18 February 2009 14:26:11 -0800 Dennis Peterson denni...@inetnw.com As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. Thunderbird doesn't by default, but has a plugin that *does*... Alpine and Pine are not MTAs. Thunderbird is not an MTA. Alpine, Pine, Thunderbird, Outlook, Eudora etc are MUAs. Gary L. Burnore gburn...@databasix.com ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
Gary L. Burnore gburn...@databasix.com -Original Message- From: clamav-users-boun...@lists.clamav.net [mailto:clamav-users- boun...@lists.clamav.net] On Behalf Of Ian Eiloart Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 5:51 AM To: ClamAV users ML Subject: Re: [Clamav-users] please remove --On 18 February 2009 14:26:11 -0800 Dennis Peterson denni...@inetnw.com wrote: Jim Potter wrote: please remove me from your mailing list. thank you. The instructions for you to follow to get this done are in the headers of every post from this list server. It's pretty much self-service. dp ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml Can we not have the list unsubscribe link in the footer, too? It's a legal requirement in the UK to have an easy to use mechanism to unsubscribe to marketing emails. The definition of marketing would definitely extend to promotion of free open source software. Whether it also extends to a support list like this might be debatable, That's not even remotely logical. One needs to subscribe and approve a subscription to this list. It is, in no way, a marketing email. but surely the developers of software developed mainly in response to the spamming industry ought to be following best practice. Best practice is to have a challenge system set up for subscribing. That's been done. As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. If you can figure out how to subscribe, you can figure out how to unsubscribe. It's a standard mailing list, not a one way advertisement. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. MTA's? HUH? Maybe you mean mail clients, mot MTA? Either way, it'd be NICE to put something in the footer, but nothing demands it, it's not a best practices issue and it's certainly not illegal for it not to be there. ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
Gary L Burnore wrote: Stuart Rowan wrote: Alpine and afaicr pine expose this information. Each ML mail has a link at the bottom in the mail viewer which gives you a list of all the things you can do e.g. unsubscribe. Stu. On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 18 February 2009 14:26:11 -0800 Dennis Peterson denni...@inetnw.com As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. Thunderbird doesn't by default, but has a plugin that *does*... Alpine and Pine are not MTAs. Thunderbird is not an MTA. Alpine, Pine, Thunderbird, Outlook, Eudora etc are MUAs. You are correct, but given the context, I assumed that that was what Dennis Peterson meant... --FP ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV Webinar on 4th March
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:56:38 -0500 From: Nigel Horne n...@bandsman.co.uk The next ClamAV Webcast will be on Wednesday 4th March at 1800UTC: 10 AM PST, 1 PM EST, 6 PM GMT, 7 PM CEST. The talk, given by Alain Zidouemba of Sourcefire, will be an introduction to writing ClamAV Signatures. The talk will take about an hour. The talk will be technically advanced, and is aimed toward system administrators and developers. For further details, including how to listen to the broadcast and Alain's biography, please visit http://www.clamav.net/2009/02/09/clamav-users?-webcast/ As always this session will be recorded and archived on ClamAV.net. Regards, Nigel -- Nigel Horne, nigel.ho...@sourcefire.com Director of Product Management (ClamAV), Sourcefire, http://www.sourcefire.com +1 301 518 7944 or +1 706 705 4022 FAX: +44 870 705 9334 ICQ: 20252325 ClamAV is a registered trademark of Sourcefire Inc. Please check the above link. There seems to be a problem with it. Thanks ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
--On 19 February 2009 07:22:49 -0500 Gary L Burnore gburn...@databasix.com wrote: Alpine and Pine are not MTAs. Thunderbird is not an MTA. Alpine, Pine, Thunderbird, Outlook, Eudora etc are MUAs. *blush* of course, I meant MUAs -- Ian Eiloart IT Services, University of Sussex x3148 ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
Can we not have the list unsubscribe link in the footer, too? It's a legal requirement in the UK to have an easy to use mechanism to unsubscribe to marketing emails. The definition of marketing would definitely extend to promotion of free open source software. Whether it also extends to a support list like this might be debatable, That's not even remotely logical. One needs to subscribe and approve a subscription to this list. It is, in no way, a marketing email. The fact that you've subscribed is irrelevant to whether it's marketing. It's marketing if it promotes use of a service or a product. The UK legislation is absolutely explicit about that. but surely the developers of software developed mainly in response to the spamming industry ought to be following best practice. Best practice is to have a challenge system set up for subscribing. That's been done. But this is not about preventing people from getting subscribed, it's about making it easy for them to unsubscribe when they change their mind. As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. If you can figure out how to subscribe, you can figure out how to unsubscribe. It's a standard mailing list, not a one way advertisement. I can figure it out. I can also figure out the volume of space circumscribed by the earth in three months of its orbit. The question is not whether I can figure it out, but whether its easy. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. MTA's? HUH? Maybe you mean mail clients, mot MTA? Yes. Either way, it'd be NICE to put something in the footer, but nothing demands it, it's not a best practices issue and it's certainly not illegal for it not to be there. Well, as I say it's debatable, but the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that a support mailing list for a product probably does qualify as marketing in UK law. Anyway, I don't want to convince anyone of the fact, but if we want to avoid reading unsubscribe requests, then we definitely need to make the unsubscribe URL more discoverable. ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml -- Ian Eiloart IT Services, University of Sussex x3148 ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
-Original Message- From: clamav-users-boun...@lists.clamav.net [mailto:clamav-users- boun...@lists.clamav.net] On Behalf Of Ian Eiloart Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:15 AM To: ClamAV users ML Subject: Re: [Clamav-users] please remove Can we not have the list unsubscribe link in the footer, too? It's a legal requirement in the UK to have an easy to use mechanism to unsubscribe to marketing emails. The definition of marketing would definitely extend to promotion of free open source software. Whether it also extends to a support list like this might be debatable, That's not even remotely logical. One needs to subscribe and approve a subscription to this list. It is, in no way, a marketing email. The fact that you've subscribed is irrelevant to whether it's marketing. It's marketing if it promotes use of a service or a product. The UK legislation is absolutely explicit about that. Sorry, don't mean to argue, but I didn't say subscription is relevant to marketing in this case. Those two separate sentences were two separate thoughts. This is not a marketing list. This is a support list. Were it a marketing list, I would not be subscribed. but surely the developers of software developed mainly in response to the spamming industry ought to be following best practice. Best practice is to have a challenge system set up for subscribing. That's been done. But this is not about preventing people from getting subscribed, it's about making it easy for them to unsubscribe when they change their mind. I don't disagree that there should be something telling them where to find info on unsubscribing. I like the idea of having it on the page listed in the url at the bottom. As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. If you can figure out how to subscribe, you can figure out how to unsubscribe. It's a standard mailing list, not a one way advertisement. I can figure it out. I can also figure out the volume of space circumscribed by the earth in three months of its orbit. Which, of course, is more fun. The question is not whether I can figure it out, but whether its easy. It'd be easy for those who want to unsubscribe to simply ask on this list and have you go do it for them. But I'm sure that's not what you mean. Easy is a relative term as you well know. Put a link at the bottom of the page and someone will want instructions next time. Put the instructions at the bottom of the page and the next person will want an unsubscribe button they can click. On and on. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. MTA's? HUH? Maybe you mean mail clients, mot MTA? Yes. Figured. :) Either way, it'd be NICE to put something in the footer, but nothing demands it, it's not a best practices issue and it's certainly not illegal for it not to be there. Well, as I say it's debatable, but the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that a support mailing list for a product probably does qualify as marketing in UK law. Fortunately, you're not a UK lawyer. Nor am I. If you'd like to make case law, go for it. Until some UK judge says a mailing list set up to support a product is now a marketing list, it's not. Anyway, I don't want to convince anyone of the fact, but if we want to avoid reading unsubscribe requests, then we definitely need to make the unsubscribe URL more discoverable. Agreed. How about: Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml List Info: http://www.clamav.net/listinfo ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:15:06 + From: Ian Eiloart i...@sussex.ac.uk Reply-To: ClamAV users ML clamav-users@lists.clamav.net To: ClamAV users ML clamav-users@lists.clamav.net Subject: Re: [Clamav-users] please remove Can we not have the list unsubscribe link in the footer, too? It's a legal requirement in the UK to have an easy to use mechanism to unsubscribe to marketing emails. The definition of marketing would definitely extend to promotion of free open source software. Whether it also extends to a support list like this might be debatable, That's not even remotely logical. One needs to subscribe and approve a subscription to this list. It is, in no way, a marketing email. The fact that you've subscribed is irrelevant to whether it's marketing. It's marketing if it promotes use of a service or a product. The UK legislation is absolutely explicit about that. but surely the developers of software developed mainly in response to the spamming industry ought to be following best practice. Best practice is to have a challenge system set up for subscribing. That's been done. But this is not about preventing people from getting subscribed, it's about making it easy for them to unsubscribe when they change their mind. As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. If you can figure out how to subscribe, you can figure out how to unsubscribe. It's a standard mailing list, not a one way advertisement. I can figure it out. I can also figure out the volume of space circumscribed by the earth in three months of its orbit. The question is not whether I can figure it out, but whether its easy. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. MTA's? HUH? Maybe you mean mail clients, mot MTA? Yes. Either way, it'd be NICE to put something in the footer, but nothing demands it, it's not a best practices issue and it's certainly not illegal for it not to be there. Well, as I say it's debatable, but the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that a support mailing list for a product probably does qualify as marketing in UK law. Anyway, I don't want to convince anyone of the fact, but if we want to avoid reading unsubscribe requests, then we definitely need to make the unsubscribe URL more discoverable. ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml -- Ian Eiloart IT Services, University of Sussex x3148 ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml rant The ONLY way to prevent reading unsubscribe messages (which annoy me too), is to remove all users from the mailing list now. You will ALWAYS see some, no matter what you do to prevent them. People are too busy to be bothered to look for even the most simple to find instructions and don't care who they inconvenience or bother. They need to be unsubscribed now and they can't be troubled with doing it themselves until they find out, they're the only ones who can remove themselves (generally). /rant I am confident that the majority of the frequent posters to this list and a portion of the others wouldn't fall into the above category, but the few that always seem to fall into the above, get magnified by they annoyance they cause. Eric ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
Ian Eiloart wrote: Anyway, I don't want to convince anyone of the fact, but if we want to avoid reading unsubscribe requests, then we definitely need to make the unsubscribe URL more discoverable. I'm reading this list since half a year and only got one question about list removal, but 13 mails debating if it is necessary to put this information in the mail-footer or not. I think this ratio speaks for it self :-) Best Regards Florian ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 13:43, Eric J. Wisti clam...@wisti.com wrote: The ONLY way to prevent reading unsubscribe messages (which annoy me too), is to remove all users from the mailing list now. Sadly I agree with Eric. I've seen this same problem on lists with the unsubscribe link at the bottom of every list email - you can't do anything about stupidity I'm afraid. I'll now go back to watching the thread spiral out of control ;) -- Please keep list traffic on the list. Rob MacGregor Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
Francesco Peeters wrote: Gary L Burnore wrote: Stuart Rowan wrote: Alpine and afaicr pine expose this information. Each ML mail has a link at the bottom in the mail viewer which gives you a list of all the things you can do e.g. unsubscribe. Stu. On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 18 February 2009 14:26:11 -0800 Dennis Peterson denni...@inetnw.com As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. Thunderbird doesn't by default, but has a plugin that *does*... Alpine and Pine are not MTAs. Thunderbird is not an MTA. Alpine, Pine, Thunderbird, Outlook, Eudora etc are MUAs. You are correct, but given the context, I assumed that that was what Dennis Peterson meant... We, many of us, are messaging professionals. If any of us are confused or unable to read our email headers then we have larger problems. The list here works pretty much like lists have since the earliest days of list-serve. There should be no surprises. If the occasional user doesn't know how it works a gentle nudge should be adequate. I run a lot of mail lists and I do it all the time. As professionals we should not require our hands be held and a label put on all we touch. This thread is getting a bit silly. dp ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV Webinar on 4th March
s...@softhome.net wrote: For further details, including how to listen to the broadcast and Alain's biography, please visit http://www.clamav.net/2009/02/09/clamav-users?-webcast/ Please check the above link. There seems to be a problem with it. Thanks Thanks for point this out. The problem lies with the mailing list software which munged the URL. To find out the details please visit www.clamav.net, scroll down to the news section then click on the title of the ClamAV Users' Webcast entry - that will take you to the page where you can find out more about the Webcast. -Nigel ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] please remove
From: Stuart Rowan strr-cl...@decisionsoft.co.uk [snip] Can we not have the list unsubscribe link in the footer, too? It's a legal requirement in the UK to have an easy to use mechanism to unsubscribe to marketing emails. The definition of marketing would definitely extend to promotion of free open source software. Whether it also extends to a support list like this might be debatable, but surely the developers of software developed mainly in response to the spamming industry ought to be following best practice. As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do by default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as easy to use. Some MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers. I believe you are referring to MUAs; however, in any case, what ones are your describing? Off hand, I cannot think of an MUA that does not let the user inspect the email headers, although I am sure there must be a few. In any case, there is an RFC, I don't remember the number, that specifies what group information should be included in the email header. This group meets that requirement. For the record, I have belonged to groups that prominently displayed an UNSUBSCRIBE link at the bottom of each post; yet, some moron will still post a 'REMOVE' notice directly to the group. You can't fix stupid. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [Clamav-users] Blog about the Active Malware Report System
Nigel Horne wrote: Folks, We've just added an entry to the blog at clam-av.blogspot.com which covers the new statistics system. The article gives some background information, what we've published to date and what we hope to do in the future. It also covers why you should consider submitting data and how to do so. All suggestions for future blog entries are welcome - please let me know any ideas you have. -Nigel Maybe some stats on all the spam coming from various blogspot blogs would be helpful the the hosts to review. It's gotten so bad I've put blogspot.com in my urlbl list and it's blocked thousands of posts in just a matter of days. But back to your topic - good information, first, but with this blog and the ClamAV wiki and the mail lists, is information becoming too scattered? dp ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
