[Article] Sun Fires Back over Open Source Java Accusations

[Patrik Reali]

OSNews has some discussion on Sun's answer to ESR request to make Java open 
source.


-Patrik


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RE: [Article] Sun Fires Back over Open Source Java Accusations

[Robert Lougher]

Hi,

A quite interesting response.  However, it's funny hearing Phipps slam IBM 
so much (considering their Linux technology center and support of Jikes).  
He used to be IBM's Java evangelist (based in Hursley, UK) before defecting 
to Sun.  Favourite phrase was "Tsunami"...

Rob.

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:46:11 +0100
OSNews has some discussion on Sun's answer to ESR request to make Java open 
source.


-Patrik


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Re: [Article] Sun Fires Back over Open Source Java Accusations

[Dalibor Topic]

Robert Lougher wrote:
Hi,

A quite interesting response.  However, it's funny hearing Phipps slam 
IBM so much (considering their Linux technology center and support of 
Jikes).  He used to be IBM's Java evangelist (based in Hursley, UK) 
before defecting to Sun.  Favourite phrase was "Tsunami"...
The only thing that's going to make Sun open source any part of Java, is 
going to be the appearance of better, open-source solutions for those 
parts. And they'll probably use GNU Classpath ;)

cheers,
dalibor topic


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Re: [Article] Sun Fires Back over Open Source Java Accusations

[Tom Tromey]

> "Patrik" == Patrik Reali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Patrik> OSNews has some discussion on Sun's answer to ESR request to make Java
Patrik> open source.
Patrik> 

IMO, while it would be helpful if Sun opened their source, we don't
really need it.

What we do need is 3 things:

1. Access to the TCK on acceptable terms,

2. Involvement in the JCP without contamination or other unacceptable
   constraints, and

3. Easing of the requirements on subsetting.  The free software
   community doesn't work well with the "one big perfect release"
   model that Sun seems to want.  They could lift these restrictions
   for free implementations only.  I think we all recognize
   compatibility as a major benefit of the Java platform; we differ
   only on how to get there.

The free Java implementors and Sun would make good allies if these
things were done.

Tom


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Re: [Article] Sun Fires Back over Open Source Java Accusations

[Per Bothner]

Tom Tromey wrote:

IMO, while it would be helpful if Sun opened their source, we don't
really need it.
On the other hand, I'm sure Red Hat would rather spend their
development resources on *not* having to re-implement Swing,
or all the new features of JDK 1.5 ...
It seems a waste to duplicate Sun's work, but of course
Sun is under no obligation to us.
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RE: [Article] Sun Fires Back over Open Source Java Accusations

[C. Brian Jones]

On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 05:12, Robert Lougher wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> A quite interesting response.  However, it's funny hearing Phipps slam IBM 
> so much (considering their Linux technology center and support of Jikes).  
> He used to be IBM's Java evangelist (based in Hursley, UK) before defecting 
> to Sun.  Favourite phrase was "Tsunami"...

I was recently in a small room with this man.  He makes some fair points
in response to Eric who really should have come here first before firing
off his open letter.  

Rather than the rise of free software alternatives for Java I think the
thing which could push Java along the path of openoffice, netbeans, etc.
would be a wildly successful C# conversion of older Java software
resulting in significant declines in the Java rank and file.

I think Classpath isn't really looking to be branded 100% Java as much
as we'd like to know that some combination of Classpath and JVM can pass
the TCK with flying colors, in fact that the GNU Java platform can pass
all applicable TCKs and our own tests.  There is still a system
integration project left to be done, to pull together the compilers, the
tools, the JVM, the standard libraries and extensions and to make them
work together using similar naming and arguments for programs, etc. and
make the whole thing installable in one go instead of pulling bits and
pieces together from across the globe.

Brian


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