[Little Off Topic] Revolution is on ;)
Why don't you try to make a keynote at the JavaPolis (maybe next year) in the Open Source hall. http://www.bejug.org/bejugPortal/appmanager/BeJUG/JP03?_nfpb=true&16005_actionOverride=showPage&16005speaker=day1 If the link is bad, try http://www.bejug.org/ and follow 'Agenda'. Cheers, PS: I don't think I'll be there but I'll go at the FOSDEM, Bruxelles, Belgium: http://www.fosdem.org/ -- Arnaud Vandyck, STE fi, ULg Formateur Cellule Programmation. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
Re: [Little Off Topic] Revolution is on ;)
On Saturday 29 November 2003 13:48, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > Why don't you try to make a keynote at the JavaPolis (maybe next year) in the Open Source hall. I'd love to. And the topic would be something like Java is not a proprietary language: and here's the proof: Classpath, IKVM, Jaos, Kaffe, Wonka, ... However, frankly I suspect that the JavaPolis agenda is set by their sponsors, and that some of these would not want to hear such a talk. So let's by all means propose a paper or two for next year (like I already did this year) _and then_ if it is refused, just convene our own alternative conference at a nearby location. In the meantime, is there anything planned for FOSDEM? E.g., an open-source Java track? This could be an opportunity the thesis that the future of Java lies with us, not with S*n. Up the workers, -- Chris Gray /k/ Embedded Java Solutions Embedded & Mobile Java, OSGi http://www.kiffer.be/k/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] +32 477 599 703 ___ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
Re: [Little Off Topic] Revolution is on ;)
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:33:08 +0100 Chris Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, frankly I suspect that the JavaPolis agenda is set by their > sponsors, and that some of these would not want to hear such a talk. See the subject :-D > So let's by all means propose a paper or two for next year (like I > already did this year) _and then_ if it is refused, just convene our > own alternative conference at a nearby location. Not a bad idea but I don't think it could be interresting. I prefer the idea we meet all together at some freesoftware meetings > In the meantime, is there anything planned for FOSDEM? E.g., an > open-source Java track? This could be an opportunity the thesis that > the future of Java lies with us, not with S*n. Of course! ;) And I suppose everyone will try to be there! ;) http://www.fosdem.org/2004/index/speakers/speakers_tromey GCJ Tom Tromey has worked on many free software projects over the years. He wrote GNU Automake, and these days is the libgcj maintainer. He is an engineer for Red Hat and lives in Boulder, Colorado. GCJ is a free Java front end for EGCS. It can natively compile both Java source and bytecode files. This new front end is integrated into the EGCS project. The goal of the gcj project is to provide a complete free software Java system, centered around an ahead-of-time compiler. This talk will explain gcj's "radically traditional" view of the Java programming language, and will cover the difficulties inherent in Java precompilation. Website http://gcc.gnu.org/java/ Contact tromey (at) redhat com Also, maybe we can set a little JB party for the 0.07 release :-D Cheers, -- Arnaud Vandyck, STE fi, ULg Formateur Cellule Programmation. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
Re: [Little Off Topic] Revolution is on ;)
Arnaud Vandyck wrote: Tom Tromey GCJ is a free Java front end for EGCS. > This new front end is integrated into the EGCS project. EGCS? New front end? Tom, you're living in the past ... -- --Per Bothner [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://per.bothner.com/ ___ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
Revolution Action (was: Re: [Little Off Topic] Revolution is on ; ))
Hi Chris, Chris Gray wrote: On Saturday 29 November 2003 13:48, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: Why don't you try to make a keynote at the JavaPolis (maybe next year) in the Open Source hall. I'd love to. And the topic would be something like Java is not a proprietary language: and here's the proof: Classpath, IKVM, Jaos, Kaffe, Wonka, ... However, frankly I suspect that the JavaPolis agenda is set by their sponsors, and that some of these would not want to hear such a talk. So let's by all means propose a paper or two for next year (like I already did this year) _and then_ if it is refused, just convene our own alternative conference at a nearby location. Speaking of our own tracks, do we have an update on the idea of someone from GUUG's of doing a free software java conference, that popped up after there were several free java related abstract proposals at Linux Kongress? In the meantime, is there anything planned for FOSDEM? E.g., an open-source Java track? This could be an opportunity the thesis that the future of Java lies with us, not with S*n. Tromey is doing a talk on gcj. There is an embedded development track [1], that might be a good traget to place accompanying talks about Wonka & other free VMs targetting embedded systems. I haven't been able to figure out how to get a BOF session registered. cheers, dalibor topic [1] http://www.fosdem.org/2004/index/dev_room_embedded ___ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
Re: Revolution Action (was: Re: [Little Off Topic] Revolution is on ; ))
On Sunday 30 November 2003 20:05, Dalibor Topic wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Chris Gray wrote: > > On Saturday 29 November 2003 13:48, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > >>Why don't you try to make a keynote at the JavaPolis (maybe next year) > > > > in the Open Source hall. > > > > I'd love to. And the topic would be something like > > Java is not a proprietary language: and here's the proof: > > Classpath, IKVM, Jaos, Kaffe, Wonka, ... > > > > However, frankly I suspect that the JavaPolis agenda is set by their > > sponsors, and that some of these would not want to hear such a talk. So > > let's by all means propose a paper or two for next year (like I already > > did this year) _and then_ if it is refused, just convene our own > > alternative conference at a nearby location. > > Speaking of our own tracks, do we have an update on the idea of someone > from GUUG's of doing a free software java conference, that popped up > after there were several free java related abstract proposals at Linux > Kongress? > > > In the meantime, is there anything planned for FOSDEM? E.g., an > > open-source Java track? This could be an opportunity the thesis that the > > future of Java lies with us, not with S*n. > > Tromey is doing a talk on gcj. There is an embedded development track > [1], that might be a good traget to place accompanying talks about Wonka > & other free VMs targetting embedded systems. I haven't been able to > figure out how to get a BOF session registered. > > cheers, > dalibor topic > > [1] http://www.fosdem.org/2004/index/dev_room_embedded -- Chris Gray /k/ Embedded Java Solutions Embedded & Mobile Java, OSGi http://www.kiffer.be/k/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] +32 477 599 703 ___ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
Re: Revolution Action (was: Re: [Little Off Topic] Revolution is on ; ))
Ahem. Maybe first type and then send? I'll talk to the organiser, Peter Vandenabeele, about this. We should be able to get more than just a BOF. Chris On Sunday 30 November 2003 20:05, Dalibor Topic wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Chris Gray wrote: > > On Saturday 29 November 2003 13:48, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > >>Why don't you try to make a keynote at the JavaPolis (maybe next year) > > > > in the Open Source hall. > > > > I'd love to. And the topic would be something like > > Java is not a proprietary language: and here's the proof: > > Classpath, IKVM, Jaos, Kaffe, Wonka, ... > > > > However, frankly I suspect that the JavaPolis agenda is set by their > > sponsors, and that some of these would not want to hear such a talk. So > > let's by all means propose a paper or two for next year (like I already > > did this year) _and then_ if it is refused, just convene our own > > alternative conference at a nearby location. > > Speaking of our own tracks, do we have an update on the idea of someone > from GUUG's of doing a free software java conference, that popped up > after there were several free java related abstract proposals at Linux > Kongress? > > > In the meantime, is there anything planned for FOSDEM? E.g., an > > open-source Java track? This could be an opportunity the thesis that the > > future of Java lies with us, not with S*n. > > Tromey is doing a talk on gcj. There is an embedded development track > [1], that might be a good traget to place accompanying talks about Wonka > & other free VMs targetting embedded systems. I haven't been able to > figure out how to get a BOF session registered. > > cheers, > dalibor topic > > [1] http://www.fosdem.org/2004/index/dev_room_embedded -- Chris Gray /k/ Embedded Java Solutions Embedded & Mobile Java, OSGi http://www.kiffer.be/k/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] +32 477 599 703 ___ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
Re: Revolution Action (was: Re: [Little Off Topic] Revolution is on ; ))
Hi, On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 20:05, Dalibor Topic wrote: > Speaking of our own tracks, do we have an update on the idea of someone > from GUUG's of doing a free software java conference, that popped up > after there were several free java related abstract proposals at Linux > Kongress? Not that I know. Patrik, Sascha and I did discuss the idea with one of the Linux-Kongress organizers. We promised to email a couple of ideas for this around (for example, put all the ideas from the abstracts that we rejected for Linux-Kongress proper together) but we did not really follow up on that. Sorry. > > In the meantime, is there anything planned for FOSDEM? E.g., an open-source > > Java track? This could be an opportunity the thesis that the future of Java > > lies with us, not with S*n. > > Tromey is doing a talk on gcj. There is an embedded development track > [1], that might be a good traget to place accompanying talks about Wonka > & other free VMs targetting embedded systems. I haven't been able to > figure out how to get a BOF session registered. > [...] > [1] http://www.fosdem.org/2004/index/dev_room_embedded The page itself says that it is for 27-10-2003 so I don't know if that is current. last week I did email [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the contact page says, to see if we could get a developer room, but I didn't hear back from them yet. But if Chris knows one of the organizers that might be a better way to contact them. How many people want to attend (Brussels, Belgium, the weekend of 21-22 February 2004)? If I followed the messages and irc discussions correctly then Arnaud, Chris, Tom, Dalibor, Stephane, Michael and myself will be there at least. Cheers, Mark signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
Re: Revolution Action (was: Re: [Little Off Topic] Revolution is on ; ))
On Sunday 30 November 2003 22:07, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > [...] > > last week I did email [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the contact page says, to see > if we could get a developer room, but I didn't hear back from them yet. > But if Chris knows one of the organizers that might be a better way to > contact them. I wrote to my contact as follows: CG> I understand that Tom Tromey is already scheduled to do a talk on gcj at CG> Fosdem 2004. There is also considerable interest from the rest of the open CG> source Java community, certainly enough to justify a BOF and IMO probably CG> enough to justify a "lightweight thread" of some kind - e.g. a sub-block CG> within the embedded space. For example we could have short presentations from CG> some of the open source Java projects Out There (Classpath, ikvm, jaos, CG> kaffe, wonka...) and some kind of discussion of the burning issues wrt Java CG> and open source (JCP, JCK, SCSL). I'd be willing to act as organiser. and he replied that he'd forward this to the Program Comittee with a recommendation that they accept it. (Sorry for forgetting SableVM, I won't do it again Etienne ...) If people have other ideas then I'm sure we can work them out with the Program Comittee once the basic idea has been accepted. > How many people want to attend (Brussels, Belgium, the weekend of 21-22 > February 2004)? If I followed the messages and irc discussions correctly > then Arnaud, Chris, Tom, Dalibor, Stephane, Michael and myself will be > there at least. Haven't heard from Jeroen recently ... I know someone who's doing research using Jikes RVM, maybe we could find someone from that group too. Best wishes -- Chris Gray /k/ Embedded Java Solutions Embedded & Mobile Java, OSGi http://www.kiffer.be/k/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] +32 477 599 703 ___ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
RE: Revolution Action (was: Re: [Little Off Topic] Revolution is on; ))
Chris Gray wrote: > > How many people want to attend (Brussels, Belgium, the > > weekend of 21-22 February 2004)? If I followed the > > messages and irc discussions correctly then Arnaud, > > Chris, Tom, Dalibor, Stephane, Michael and myself will > > be there at least. > > Haven't heard from Jeroen recently ... I'm not 100% sure yet, but I think I'll be there as well. Regards, Jeroen ___ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
Re: Revolution Action (was: Re: [Little Off Topic] Revolution is on ; ))
Hi, On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 12:20, Chris Gray wrote: > I wrote to my contact as follows: > > CG> I understand that Tom Tromey is already scheduled to do a talk on gcj at > CG> Fosdem 2004. There is also considerable interest from the rest of the > open > CG> source Java community, certainly enough to justify a BOF and IMO probably > CG> enough to justify a "lightweight thread" of some kind - e.g. a sub-block > CG> within the embedded space. For example we could have short presentations > from > CG> some of the open source Java projects Out There (Classpath, ikvm, jaos, > CG> kaffe, wonka...) and some kind of discussion of the burning issues wrt > Java > CG> and open source (JCP, JCK, SCSL). I'd be willing to act as organiser. > > and he replied that he'd forward this to the Program Comittee with a > recommendation that they accept it. Thanks. Please let us know if you get any reply. But please don't refer to GNU Classpath as an open source Java project. We are a Free Software project (that does use a open source development model). As Dalibor recently said on debian-java: "The open-source community is busy making open source programs that work on Sun's JDK, and rarely cares enough about free runtimes to submit bug reports, or fixes. That's in large part caused by the (to an extent only perceived) incapabilities of the free runtimes to compete with Sun's offering in one way or another (features, stability, etc.)." We really want to change that attitude and focus on freedom for software users/developers and not on development or economic models. BTW Tom Tromey did get his 15 minutes of fame already! See: http://www.fosdem.org/2004/index/interviews/interviews_tromey Cheers, Mark signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
