Cyclic Agents
Hi Everyone,
So how come two agents can't contain one another? The following code causes
a StackOverflowError. In the real world things can't contain other things
cyclically so I suspect that's why, but if someone could explain this
better to me I'd appreciate it. :) - Greg
(defn test-agents
[]
(let [a (agent {})
b (agent {})]
(send-off a #(assoc %1 :other %2) b)
(send-off b #(assoc %1 :other %2) a)))
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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-alpha2
I can understand why something like a clojure.lang.Volatile can be useful for some optimizations in the functions of standard library, but do they really need to become part of the public core API? Clojure is such a nice language because of the way state is handled at a higher level. Whenever I use a library, I _know_ the data I'm given is immutable. And whenever I'm given a state container such as an atom, I _know_ exactly how I can use it and, more importantly, share it. With a volatile container, I don't[1]. It's just a plain-old mutable variable, something Clojure rightfully moved away from. Sure, an API that returns a volatile should be considered a very bad practice, but I think this is still going to happen[2]. Especially by those coming to Clojure in the future with a OO background. Understanding and maintaining someone else's code might become harder as well. Having the volatile function as part of the public core API sends the wrong message in my opinion. Could you, Cognitect, consider making the volatile related functions private, or move them to their own namespace, in order to keep Clojure more true to its nature? [1] This is also a reason why I think the idea of overloading swap! and reset! not desirable. [2] Transients don't have this problem, as they cannot escape their score. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-alpha2
FYI transients no longer enforce thread locality, and you may now call them from any thread [1]. More options for handling mutable state is not a bad thing (as Clojure is a practical language), though more discipline will be needed. Jozef [1] CLJ-1498 On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Arnout Roemers goo...@company.romeinszoon.nl wrote: I can understand why something like a clojure.lang.Volatile can be useful for some optimizations in the functions of standard library, but do they really need to become part of the public core API? Clojure is such a nice language because of the way state is handled at a higher level. Whenever I use a library, I _know_ the data I'm given is immutable. And whenever I'm given a state container such as an atom, I _know_ exactly how I can use it and, more importantly, share it. With a volatile container, I don't[1]. It's just a plain-old mutable variable, something Clojure rightfully moved away from. Sure, an API that returns a volatile should be considered a very bad practice, but I think this is still going to happen[2]. Especially by those coming to Clojure in the future with a OO background. Understanding and maintaining someone else's code might become harder as well. Having the volatile function as part of the public core API sends the wrong message in my opinion. Could you, Cognitect, consider making the volatile related functions private, or move them to their own namespace, in order to keep Clojure more true to its nature? [1] This is also a reason why I think the idea of overloading swap! and reset! not desirable. [2] Transients don't have this problem, as they cannot escape their score. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Cyclic Agents
Hey Greg,
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:30:11AM -0700, Greg MacDonald wrote:
So how come two agents can't contain one another? The following code causes
a StackOverflowError. In the real world things can't contain other things
cyclically so I suspect that's why, but if someone could explain this
better to me I'd appreciate it. :) - Greg
(defn test-agents
[]
(let [a (agent {})
b (agent {})]
(send-off a #(assoc %1 :other %2) b)
(send-off b #(assoc %1 :other %2) a)))
As far as I can tell this works properly, but printing it is a problem
(as it's a structure with a cycle in it: a - b - a - b - ... a).
We can see that it works, though:
user= (defn test-agents []
(let [a (agent {:a true}),
b (agent {:b true})]
(send-off a assoc :other b)
(send-off b assoc :other a)
[a b]))
#'user/test-agents
user= (def ag (test-agents))
#'user/ag
user= (:a @(first ag))
true ;; the first one is a
user= (:b @(:other @(first ag)))
true ;; a's other is b
user= (:a @(:other @(:other @(first ag
true ;; b's other is a
Carlo
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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-alpha2
Using my timings macro: https://gist.github.com/fsodomka/5890711 I am getting that: - creation derefing is 60% faster - swapping is 25% faster - resetting is about the same ;; volatile vs. atom ;; (report (timings 1e7 (deref (volatile! 42)) (deref (atom 42 ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+---++---| ; | (deref (volatile! 42)) | 30.688238 |1.0 | 39.81 | ; | (deref (atom 42)) | 77.081141 | 2.51 | 100.0 | (report (let [v (volatile! 42) a (atom 42)] (timings 1e7 (vswap! v inc) (swap! a inc ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+++---| ; | (vswap! v inc) | 136.052946 |1.0 | 75.08 | ; | (swap! a inc) | 181.218748 | 1.33 | 100.0 | (report (let [v (volatile! 42) a (atom 42)] (timings 1e7 (vreset! v 10) (reset! a 10 ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+---++---| ; | (reset! a 10) | 98.755318 |1.0 | 96.69 | ; | (vreset! v 10) | 102.13944 | 1.03 | 100.0 | On Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:18:08 AM UTC+2, puzzler wrote: I'm curious: how much faster are volatiles than atoms? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Cyclic Agents
Oh that makes sense. Thanks a lot!
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Carlo Zancanaro carlozancan...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hey Greg,
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:30:11AM -0700, Greg MacDonald wrote:
So how come two agents can't contain one another? The following code
causes
a StackOverflowError. In the real world things can't contain other things
cyclically so I suspect that's why, but if someone could explain this
better to me I'd appreciate it. :) - Greg
(defn test-agents
[]
(let [a (agent {})
b (agent {})]
(send-off a #(assoc %1 :other %2) b)
(send-off b #(assoc %1 :other %2) a)))
As far as I can tell this works properly, but printing it is a problem
(as it's a structure with a cycle in it: a - b - a - b - ... a).
We can see that it works, though:
user= (defn test-agents []
(let [a (agent {:a true}),
b (agent {:b true})]
(send-off a assoc :other b)
(send-off b assoc :other a)
[a b]))
#'user/test-agents
user= (def ag (test-agents))
#'user/ag
user= (:a @(first ag))
true ;; the first one is a
user= (:b @(:other @(first ag)))
true ;; a's other is b
user= (:a @(:other @(:other @(first ag
true ;; b's other is a
Carlo
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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-alpha2
And just creation is about 3x faster: (report (timings 1e7 (do (volatile! 42) nil) (do (atom 42) nil))) ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |-+---++---| ; | (do (volatile! 42) nil) | 22.849963 |1.0 | 31.63 | ; | (do (atom 42) nil) | 72.237439 | 3.16 | 100.0 | On Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:06:44 AM UTC+2, Frantisek Sodomka wrote: Using my timings macro: https://gist.github.com/fsodomka/5890711 I am getting that: - creation derefing is 60% faster - swapping is 25% faster - resetting is about the same ;; volatile vs. atom ;; (report (timings 1e7 (deref (volatile! 42)) (deref (atom 42 ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+---++---| ; | (deref (volatile! 42)) | 30.688238 |1.0 | 39.81 | ; | (deref (atom 42)) | 77.081141 | 2.51 | 100.0 | (report (let [v (volatile! 42) a (atom 42)] (timings 1e7 (vswap! v inc) (swap! a inc ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+++---| ; | (vswap! v inc) | 136.052946 |1.0 | 75.08 | ; | (swap! a inc) | 181.218748 | 1.33 | 100.0 | (report (let [v (volatile! 42) a (atom 42)] (timings 1e7 (vreset! v 10) (reset! a 10 ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+---++---| ; | (reset! a 10) | 98.755318 |1.0 | 96.69 | ; | (vreset! v 10) | 102.13944 | 1.03 | 100.0 | On Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:18:08 AM UTC+2, puzzler wrote: I'm curious: how much faster are volatiles than atoms? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-alpha2
The volatile construct seems very useful in some particular cases! I have been missing ugly-mutable variables for things such as certain types of heaps/queues or write-intensive, slightly probabilistic stuff where one missed write doesn't matter that much. For people who don't have a Java background, I just want to point the very useful package java.util.concurrent.atomic, in which one can find gems such as AtomicLong, which is almost unbeatable as a counter. An example in which an AtomicLong is about three times quicker than an atom: https://gist.github.com/claj/6711556#file-countertest-clj Javadoc for AtomicLong: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/concurrent/atomic/AtomicLong.html In the sake of completeness, Linus 2014-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frantisek Sodomka fsodo...@gmail.com: Using my timings macro: https://gist.github.com/fsodomka/5890711 I am getting that: - creation derefing is 60% faster - swapping is 25% faster - resetting is about the same ;; volatile vs. atom ;; (report (timings 1e7 (deref (volatile! 42)) (deref (atom 42 ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+---++---| ; | (deref (volatile! 42)) | 30.688238 |1.0 | 39.81 | ; | (deref (atom 42)) | 77.081141 | 2.51 | 100.0 | (report (let [v (volatile! 42) a (atom 42)] (timings 1e7 (vswap! v inc) (swap! a inc ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+++---| ; | (vswap! v inc) | 136.052946 |1.0 | 75.08 | ; | (swap! a inc) | 181.218748 | 1.33 | 100.0 | (report (let [v (volatile! 42) a (atom 42)] (timings 1e7 (vreset! v 10) (reset! a 10 ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+---++---| ; | (reset! a 10) | 98.755318 |1.0 | 96.69 | ; | (vreset! v 10) | 102.13944 | 1.03 | 100.0 | On Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:18:08 AM UTC+2, puzzler wrote: I'm curious: how much faster are volatiles than atoms? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-alpha2
May be the LongAdder in Java8 can beat AtomicLong :D http://blog.palominolabs.com/2014/02/10/java-8-performance-improvements-longadder-vs-atomiclong/ 2014-09-11 17:30 GMT+08:00 Linus Ericsson oscarlinuserics...@gmail.com: The volatile construct seems very useful in some particular cases! I have been missing ugly-mutable variables for things such as certain types of heaps/queues or write-intensive, slightly probabilistic stuff where one missed write doesn't matter that much. For people who don't have a Java background, I just want to point the very useful package java.util.concurrent.atomic, in which one can find gems such as AtomicLong, which is almost unbeatable as a counter. An example in which an AtomicLong is about three times quicker than an atom: https://gist.github.com/claj/6711556#file-countertest-clj Javadoc for AtomicLong: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/concurrent/atomic/AtomicLong.html In the sake of completeness, Linus 2014-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frantisek Sodomka fsodo...@gmail.com: Using my timings macro: https://gist.github.com/fsodomka/5890711 I am getting that: - creation derefing is 60% faster - swapping is 25% faster - resetting is about the same ;; volatile vs. atom ;; (report (timings 1e7 (deref (volatile! 42)) (deref (atom 42 ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+---++---| ; | (deref (volatile! 42)) | 30.688238 |1.0 | 39.81 | ; | (deref (atom 42)) | 77.081141 | 2.51 | 100.0 | (report (let [v (volatile! 42) a (atom 42)] (timings 1e7 (vswap! v inc) (swap! a inc ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+++---| ; | (vswap! v inc) | 136.052946 |1.0 | 75.08 | ; | (swap! a inc) | 181.218748 | 1.33 | 100.0 | (report (let [v (volatile! 42) a (atom 42)] (timings 1e7 (vreset! v 10) (reset! a 10 ; | :expr | :time | :ratio | :perc | ; |+---++---| ; | (reset! a 10) | 98.755318 |1.0 | 96.69 | ; | (vreset! v 10) | 102.13944 | 1.03 | 100.0 | On Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:18:08 AM UTC+2, puzzler wrote: I'm curious: how much faster are volatiles than atoms? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- 庄晓丹 Email:killme2...@gmail.com xzhu...@avos.com Site: http://fnil.net Twitter: @killme2008 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Is Transit / core.async suitable for remote function invocation?
Check out Sente. It meets all your requirements. EDN is used as a transport mechanism, with experimental support for Transit -- but these are really implementation details. Values sent from the client shows up in tact on the server, and vice versa. https://github.com/ptaoussanis/sente * Sente provides a send function and a core.async channel on both the Clojure and Clojurescript sides. * Any value sent via the client's send function shows up on the server's channel intact, and vice versa * The server keeps an atom of connected clients, and a message from the server can target one or all of them * The excellent core.match is commonly used for pattern matching messages on the client and server sides and dispatching functions * There is robust support for re-connecting * The software is mature, and terse (~1000 lines). I've used it as a comms layer in several production apps with great success. * Regarding remote function serialization / invocation, assuming you trust your client, you could pass a function from client-server as data, and invoke it on the server side. No need for serialization, normal 'quoting' would work. - Shaun On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:39:24 AM UTC-4, Mikera wrote: I've encountered a couple of use cases where it would helpful to have some form of remote function invocation in Clojure/ClojureScript with the following characteristics: - Arbitrary functions can be effectively serialised and sent to remote machines - Remote functions can be invoked either synchronously or asynchronously - Parameters get passed as serialised values, which might in turn be other functions - Works across Clojure/ClojureScript boundary - Would need to allow for various error conditions (network failure etc.) Could this be achieved in a reasonably sane way with some combination of Transit and/or core.async? Has anyone tried this? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Lein feature to check for updates in dependencies?
I thought for sure I saw this feature, but I can't find it. Isn't there a way to scan for possible updates to dependencies in a project? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Lein feature to check for updates in dependencies?
https://github.com/xsc/lein-ancient On 11 September 2014 14:41, Jonathon McKitrick jmckitr...@gmail.com wrote: I thought for sure I saw this feature, but I can't find it. Isn't there a way to scan for possible updates to dependencies in a project? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
(Request) Rich Hickey's EuroClojure 2014 slides
Hi, I am looking for the slides of this talk because one can't see them in the video: http://vimeo.com/100518968 Thanks, Leon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Lein feature to check for updates in dependencies?
lein-ancient plug in Luc P. I thought for sure I saw this feature, but I can't find it. Isn't there a way to scan for possible updates to dependencies in a project? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Pause a go loop
Hello, here is my use case (defn replay [history] (go (doseq [millis history] (! (timeout millis)) (prn millis history is a vector of duration: [1000 2000 4000] Now I would like to pause this doseq. One way is to use an atom pause?, check for the pause and block until a new value in a resume chan. But there may be an other way with channels only and avoid global/shared pause atom. I was naively thinking of a pause channel and at each loop I check if there is a value but I'm not sure it's better and I couldn't manage to do it anyway. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
leiningen resources folder
Hi, when I use (.getPath (clojure.java.io/resource readme.txt)) I get the file path to the correct file in the resources folder (or nil if it doesn't exist). However if I pass in an empty string it returns the path to the 'test' folder rather then 'resources'. I have tried setting setting the resource paths in project.clj with no change in behaviour. Can anybody work out where I am going wrong? Joc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: leiningen resources folder
clojure.java.io/resource isn't specific to the resources folder. It just scans the classpath. Your classpath probably looks like test:src:resources or something so test wins. If there was a test/readme.txt file you'd also get that rather than resources/readme.txt. Cheers, Dave On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Joc O'Connor johnocon...@fico.com wrote: Hi, when I use (.getPath (clojure.java.io/resource readme.txt)) I get the file path to the correct file in the resources folder (or nil if it doesn't exist). However if I pass in an empty string it returns the path to the 'test' folder rather then 'resources'. I have tried setting setting the resource paths in project.clj with no change in behaviour. Can anybody work out where I am going wrong? Joc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: (Request) Rich Hickey's EuroClojure 2014 slides
Usually Rich doesn't release his slides as he prefers for them to be consumed in the context of the talk. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:44:47 AM UTC-5, Leon Grapenthin wrote: Hi, I am looking for the slides of this talk because one can't see them in the video: http://vimeo.com/100518968 Thanks, Leon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pause a go loop
For instance you can use schejulure [1] or at-at [2] and make sure the scheduled function calls put an item (event) on the channel and then made the scheduler do the pausing work. All the listeners attached to the channel will receive the events at the time the scheduler releases them, and you don't have to manage anything regarding timing/pausing. /Linus [1] https://github.com/AdamClements/schejulure [2] https://github.com/overtone/at-at 2014-09-11 13:52 GMT+02:00 Jeremy Vuillermet jeremy.vuiller...@gmail.com: Hello, here is my use case (defn replay [history] (go (doseq [millis history] (! (timeout millis)) (prn millis history is a vector of duration: [1000 2000 4000] Now I would like to pause this doseq. One way is to use an atom pause?, check for the pause and block until a new value in a resume chan. But there may be an other way with channels only and avoid global/shared pause atom. I was naively thinking of a pause channel and at each loop I check if there is a value but I'm not sure it's better and I couldn't manage to do it anyway. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pause a go loop
You should never block a go loop other than by using a parking channel op (like !, !, etc). You probably instead want a control channel where you can send it a pause message telling it to block on the control channel until a resume message arrives. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:52:48 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Vuillermet wrote: Hello, here is my use case (defn replay [history] (go (doseq [millis history] (! (timeout millis)) (prn millis history is a vector of duration: [1000 2000 4000] Now I would like to pause this doseq. One way is to use an atom pause?, check for the pause and block until a new value in a resume chan. But there may be an other way with channels only and avoid global/shared pause atom. I was naively thinking of a pause channel and at each loop I check if there is a value but I'm not sure it's better and I couldn't manage to do it anyway. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: defrecord - CompilerException to referring record defined at other namespace
Yeah, dt/Record1 is not a thing that is referenceable.
dt/-Record1 is a constructor function
defrecord_example1.datatypes.Record1 is a class
You can't use the ns alias dt to shorten the name of the class (those are
different naming contexts).
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:44:18 PM UTC-5, Bin Li wrote:
Yes , it is.
Is it because that / is accessing the 'static' function/field ? so at
core.clj:
we can only have there constructors as follow ?
dt/-Record1
dt/-Record2
dt/map-Record1
dt/map-Record2
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:21:45 PM UTC+8, Alex Miller wrote:
Is datatypes.clj at src/defrecord_example1/datatypes.clj ? (note _, not
- in directory name)
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:01:25 AM UTC-5, Bin Li wrote:
I have records defined at datatypes.clj:
```clojure
(ns defrecord-example1.datatypes)
(defrecord Record1 [f1])
(defrecord Record2 [f1 f2 f3])
;; this is working at repl
(def m-inside1
{Record1
(fn [] ({:a A}))
Record2
(fn [] ({:n B}))})
And using at core.clj :
```clojure
(ns defrecord-example1.core
(:require
[defrecord-example1.datatypes :as dt]))
```
;; error at repl
;; CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: No such var:
dt/Record1, compiling:(defrecord_example1\core.clj:7:1)
(def m-in-core1
{dt/Record1
(fn [] ({:a A}))
dt/Record2
(fn [] ({:n B}))})
```
Any one can help on this ?
My project.clj:
``` clojure
(defproject defrecord-example1 0.1.0-SNAPSHOT
:description FIXME: write description
:url http://example.com/FIXME;
:license {:name Eclipse Public License
:url http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html}
:dependencies [[org.clojure/clojure 1.6.0]])
```
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Re: [ANN] aprint (awesome print) released
Is there an easy way to get the same compact layout but without the colour control codes? On Friday, 5 September 2014 07:50:10 UTC+10, Vladimir Bokov wrote: Hi folks, I got just tired to gazing into big amount of data and scroll 3-4 screens of my 13' laptop to grasp the structure, so I used pprint's pretty printer, but add colors and changed indentation *by default* (actually pprint has tuning parameters, too, but anyway it's breaking maps by single entry by line...) Now the screen area gets used more effectively and looks more friendly imo :) See it: https://github.com/razum2um/aprint Looking forward yours opinion if I should make a nrepl middleware to use it *right away*, without doing (ap) every time ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-alpha2
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:41:44 AM UTC-5, Arnout Roemers wrote: I can understand why something like a clojure.lang.Volatile can be useful for some optimizations in the functions of standard library, but do they really need to become part of the public core API? From my own perspective (not talking for anyone else here), Clojure is a language that *empowers* you by giving you powerful, composable, expressive tools to solve hard problems. There are guidelines for use but pushing past those guidelines is ok (and expected) as your skills increases or as problems demand it. In this case my general guideline would be: don't use volatiles. Just like learning a musical instrument, learning how best to use the language (and when to break the rules) takes time and practice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [ANN] aprint (awesome print) released
Yes. I use clansi: (clansi.core/without-ansi (aprint issues)) Thanks for feedback, I updated README too четверг, 11 сентября 2014 г., 21:58:57 UTC+7 пользователь Dave Sann написал: Is there an easy way to get the same compact layout but without the colour control codes? On Friday, 5 September 2014 07:50:10 UTC+10, Vladimir Bokov wrote: Hi folks, I got just tired to gazing into big amount of data and scroll 3-4 screens of my 13' laptop to grasp the structure, so I used pprint's pretty printer, but add colors and changed indentation *by default* (actually pprint has tuning parameters, too, but anyway it's breaking maps by single entry by line...) Now the screen area gets used more effectively and looks more friendly imo :) See it: https://github.com/razum2um/aprint Looking forward yours opinion if I should make a nrepl middleware to use it *right away*, without doing (ap) every time ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[ANN] clojure client/wrapper for vowpal wabbit
Dear list, I'd like to announce a pre-release of a clojure client/wrapper for vowpal wabbit, see engagor/clj-vw https://github.com/engagor/clj-vw and clj-vw 1.0.0-RC2 - Clojars https://clojars.org/engagor/clj-vw. All feedback/help welcome! Joachim. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pause a go loop
Yes when I write block I meant park. My first idea was to use a control channel which have pause and resume input but then my question is ! control-channel would park until a value is available, what if I want to continue is there is nothing ? On Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:39:51 PM UTC+2, Alex Miller wrote: You should never block a go loop other than by using a parking channel op (like !, !, etc). You probably instead want a control channel where you can send it a pause message telling it to block on the control channel until a resume message arrives. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:52:48 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Vuillermet wrote: Hello, here is my use case (defn replay [history] (go (doseq [millis history] (! (timeout millis)) (prn millis history is a vector of duration: [1000 2000 4000] Now I would like to pause this doseq. One way is to use an atom pause?, check for the pause and block until a new value in a resume chan. But there may be an other way with channels only and avoid global/shared pause atom. I was naively thinking of a pause channel and at each loop I check if there is a value but I'm not sure it's better and I couldn't manage to do it anyway. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: (Request) Rich Hickey's EuroClojure 2014 slides
Unfortunately the guys had a problem with the recording of the screen at euroClojure, so only the speakers' head-and-shoulder shots are in those videos. I made the video of my talk at home from the one originally recorded, by re-running the slides while listening to the audio and saving the screencast. It takes just a little longer than doing the talk itself, as long as it's just slides. For people with live coding it'd be a good deal more work. This was important for my talk because it was quite dense and hard to understand just from listening and by watching my ugly mug! On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Alex Miller a...@puredanger.com wrote: Usually Rich doesn't release his slides as he prefers for them to be consumed in the context of the talk. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:44:47 AM UTC-5, Leon Grapenthin wrote: Hi, I am looking for the slides of this talk because one can't see them in the video: http://vimeo.com/100518968 Thanks, Leon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines Speaking on Clortex and HTM/CLA at euroClojure Krakow, June 2014: http://euroclojure.com/2014/ and at LambdaJam Chicago, July 2014: http://www.lambdajam.com e:fergalbyrnedub...@gmail.com t:+353 83 4214179 Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org Formerly of Adnet edi...@adnet.ie http://www.adnet.ie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
ClojureBridge Edinburgh - September 27th
ClojureBridge is a one-day workshop run by Girl Geek Scotland aimed at introducing women to the Clojure language and functional programming. The event will be held at CodeBase in Edinburgh on September 27th (with installfest the night before), and is now open for booking! http://www.girlgeekscotland.com/events/clojurebridge-edinburgh/ We're looking for volunteers to help with teaching at the event, so if you know Clojure and live near Edinburgh, please get in touch! If you don't, you can still help with running the event. We're also looking for sponsors - details on the event page. Sponsors confirmed so far are GitHub, ScotlandIS, Entrepreneurial Spark, and NCR. We're getting a lot of enthusiasm for the event from the Clojure community, so it's shaping up to be a great day! Ali King cloj...@koshatnik.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: (Request) Rich Hickey's EuroClojure 2014 slides
@Alex Miller: It would be great if an exception could be made. Again: The slides are not in the video. Consuming them in context of the talk is my intention by opening two windows (one with the video, one with the slides). Thanks, Leon. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:33:41 PM UTC+2, Alex Miller wrote: Usually Rich doesn't release his slides as he prefers for them to be consumed in the context of the talk. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:44:47 AM UTC-5, Leon Grapenthin wrote: Hi, I am looking for the slides of this talk because one can't see them in the video: http://vimeo.com/100518968 Thanks, Leon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: (Request) Rich Hickey's EuroClojure 2014 slides
+1. I also was unable to follow the video without the slides. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Leon Grapenthin grapenthinl...@gmail.com wrote: @Alex Miller: It would be great if an exception could be made. Again: The slides are not in the video. Consuming them in context of the talk is my intention by opening two windows (one with the video, one with the slides). Thanks, Leon. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:33:41 PM UTC+2, Alex Miller wrote: Usually Rich doesn't release his slides as he prefers for them to be consumed in the context of the talk. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:44:47 AM UTC-5, Leon Grapenthin wrote: Hi, I am looking for the slides of this talk because one can't see them in the video: http://vimeo.com/100518968 Thanks, Leon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: (Request) Rich Hickey's EuroClojure 2014 slides
The slides are now available at http://cdn.cognitect.com/presentations/2014/insidechannels.pdf. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:57:30 PM UTC-5, puzzler wrote: +1. I also was unable to follow the video without the slides. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Leon Grapenthin grapent...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: @Alex Miller: It would be great if an exception could be made. Again: The slides are not in the video. Consuming them in context of the talk is my intention by opening two windows (one with the video, one with the slides). Thanks, Leon. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:33:41 PM UTC+2, Alex Miller wrote: Usually Rich doesn't release his slides as he prefers for them to be consumed in the context of the talk. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:44:47 AM UTC-5, Leon Grapenthin wrote: Hi, I am looking for the slides of this talk because one can't see them in the video: http://vimeo.com/100518968 Thanks, Leon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com javascript: For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Clojure terminology
I'm new to Clojure, but I'm teaching a course on it this year to undergrads. I'm having a little trouble with terminology, partly because Clojure departs from other languages (such as Scheme) on some terms (such as atom). I want to say something like this: A word is considered a var unless it is quoted. Example: 'hello A list is considered a function invocation unless it is quoted. Example: '(1 2 3) I don't think word is the correct term to use. Do I mean symbol? Do I mean symbol instead of var? Is list better called a form or an s-expression? What exactly is a scalar? Is it anything that's not a container? Can someone help me with what I'm trying to say? It's OK to oversimplify, but I don't want to use wrong words that will introduce confusion. Thanks for the help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure terminology
I'm having some trouble fleshing out the surrounding context, but I'll take a stab at this: I don't think word is the correct term to use. Do I mean symbol? Token, perhaps? Do I mean symbol instead of var? Yes. It may not be a var, after all. Is list better called a form or an s-expression? This one I'm having trouble with. (whatever) designates a function invocation. '(whatever) designates a list and is a shorthand for (list whatever). That's an important distinction, as '(a-fun some-fun more-fun) describes a list of functions while (a-fun some-fun more-fun) calls a-fun with some-fun and more-fun as parameters. It seems to me the fact that they look similar is practically coincidental. What exactly is a scalar? Is it anything that's not a container? In Pascal, a scalar referred specifically to enumerable integer types. In Clojure, I think it refers to all vars. But I haven't run into it. ===Blake=== -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
pigpen newbie question
Hi , I am trying to compile a simple clj file which does nothing apart from requiring the pigpen name-space and it fails to compile with the following error. Can anybody help? Attempting to call unbound fn: #'instaparse.combinators-source/cat the full stack trace is here. https://gist.github.com/sunilnandihalli/b400e21552ca97038e56 Thanks, Sunil. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure terminology
Thank you for the help. What is the difference between a form and an s-expression? The Clojure Glossary https://github.com/clojuredocs/guides/blob/master/articles/language/glossary.md defines form as a valid s-expression. What is an example of an invalid s-expression? I'm not sure token is correct, although it is better than word. Isn't a single parenthesis also a token? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: pigpen newbie question
You're probably using Clojure 1.7.0 alpha 2, which introduced a new function called cat into the core namespace, which overlaps with a function in instaparse. A couple nights ago, I updated instaparse to version 1.3.4, with an update to deal with this change in alpha 2, but pigpen has not yet been updated to use that version of instaparse. You can either go back to a non-alpha release of Clojure, or wait for the pigpen folks to update, or perhaps there is some leiningen-fu you can do in the project.clj file to override the instaparse dependency loaded by pigpen with instaparse 1.3.4. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Sunil S Nandihalli sunil.nandiha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi , I am trying to compile a simple clj file which does nothing apart from requiring the pigpen name-space and it fails to compile with the following error. Can anybody help? Attempting to call unbound fn: #'instaparse.combinators-source/cat the full stack trace is here. https://gist.github.com/sunilnandihalli/b400e21552ca97038e56 Thanks, Sunil. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: pigpen newbie question
That's a weird one :) Couple of questions... What version of pigpen are you using? What are you using to compile produce that output? It doesn't look like lein or gradle output. What OS are you using? Do you have a full sample project to repro? Does your project have any other references? Something that might be pulling in a different version of instaparse? There was an earlier version of pigpen that had a bad version of instaparse, but that was fixed long ago: https://github.com/Netflix/PigPen/issues/4 Sorry to answer your question with a bunch of questions, but I haven't seen that one before. -Matt On Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:16:45 PM UTC-7, Sunil Nandihalli wrote: Hi , I am trying to compile a simple clj file which does nothing apart from requiring the pigpen name-space and it fails to compile with the following error. Can anybody help? Attempting to call unbound fn: #'instaparse.combinators-source/cat the full stack trace is here. https://gist.github.com/sunilnandihalli/b400e21552ca97038e56 Thanks, Sunil. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: pigpen newbie question
Just saw this response - disregard the questions I asked you on the pigpen support DL. I'll pull in the new instaparse get a new PigPen build out soonish (within a day or two). -Matt On Thursday, September 11, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Mark Engelberg wrote: You're probably using Clojure 1.7.0 alpha 2, which introduced a new function called cat into the core namespace, which overlaps with a function in instaparse. A couple nights ago, I updated instaparse to version 1.3.4, with an update to deal with this change in alpha 2, but pigpen has not yet been updated to use that version of instaparse. You can either go back to a non-alpha release of Clojure, or wait for the pigpen folks to update, or perhaps there is some leiningen-fu you can do in the project.clj file to override the instaparse dependency loaded by pigpen with instaparse 1.3.4. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Sunil S Nandihalli sunil.nandiha...@gmail.com (mailto:sunil.nandiha...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi , I am trying to compile a simple clj file which does nothing apart from requiring the pigpen name-space and it fails to compile with the following error. Can anybody help? Attempting to call unbound fn: #'instaparse.combinators-source/cat the full stack trace is here. https://gist.github.com/sunilnandihalli/b400e21552ca97038e56 Thanks, Sunil. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com) For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com). For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com). For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure terminology
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:49:43 PM UTC-5, jvanderhyde wrote: I'm new to Clojure, but I'm teaching a course on it this year to undergrads. I'm having a little trouble with terminology, partly because Clojure departs from other languages (such as Scheme) on some terms (such as atom). I want to say something like this: A word is considered a var unless it is quoted. Example: 'hello A list is considered a function invocation unless it is quoted. Example: '(1 2 3) I don't think word is the correct term to use. Do I mean symbol? Do I mean symbol instead of var? I think word is fine here. You're basically leveraging knowledge of English to informally describe something. Seems close enough to be useful. You mean symbol, not var. There might be a var referred to by this symbol, or not. Is list better called a form or an s-expression? I think list is fine here, although it sounds like you're trying to talk about quoting and backed into invocation. It's important to distinguish between syntax and evaluation semantics. (+ 1 2) is read (parsed) as a a list containing the symbol + and the numbers 1 and 2. Generally, everything in Clojure evaluates to itself, except lists and symbols. Symbols are evaluated to the thing they refer to (skipping the details of how that works and what it means). Lists evaluate each of their elements, then invoke the first element with the rest as arguments. Quoting prevents that evaluation. So quoting a symbol or a list causing it to return just the parsed data (the symbol or the list). There is probably some distinction between form and s-expression but I don't what it is. Form seems less jargony to me (unless you've already studied something like Scheme). I would generally say that either means a single Clojure expression, which can be something as simple as 0 or as complex as a function definition. The Clojure Reader takes a stream of characters and returns a series of forms (which are data). See http://clojure.org/reader. What exactly is a scalar? Is it anything that's not a container? I don't see that term used with Clojure. I guess what you mean is any Clojure form that is not a collection (list, vector, set, map). Can someone help me with what I'm trying to say? It's OK to oversimplify, but I don't want to use wrong words that will introduce confusion. Thanks for the help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure terminology
This whole discussion makes me think you're trying to teach Clojure in a Scheme-like way, which maybe isn't the best approach. In Clojure, it is rare to need quoted lists and symbols. Instead of 'hello, you would use :hello. Instead of '(1 2 3), you would use [1 2 3]. So the whole notion of quoting can be avoided with beginners, and doesn't typically need to be introduced until you get to macros. This is good because quoting can be a surprisingly subtle and tricky topic. Much easier to work with and teach self-evaulating expressions. If you really need a list, I'd recommend teaching it as (list 1 2 3), and only much later teaching quote as a sort of shortcut. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[ANN] lein-node-webkit-build
Hi, For you guys that are working node-webkit and Clojurescript like I'm, I created this build tool that's similar in functionality with grunt-node-webkit-build. The library still very young and missing some features that maybe very important for some people (like being able to do a more precise selection of the files to go on the build), but I decided to work on features only by demand, so, if you see something that you need, please open an issue, pull requests would be also welcome. Here is the project: https://github.com/wilkerlucio/lein-node-webkit-build Thanks. Best regards --- Wilker Lúcio http://about.me/wilkerlucio/bio Woboinc Consultant +55 81 82556600 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: pigpen newbie question
Thanks Mark for the response. That was very quick. Let me see if moving to clojure 1.6.0 fixes the issues. Sunil. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Mark Engelberg mark.engelb...@gmail.com wrote: You're probably using Clojure 1.7.0 alpha 2, which introduced a new function called cat into the core namespace, which overlaps with a function in instaparse. A couple nights ago, I updated instaparse to version 1.3.4, with an update to deal with this change in alpha 2, but pigpen has not yet been updated to use that version of instaparse. You can either go back to a non-alpha release of Clojure, or wait for the pigpen folks to update, or perhaps there is some leiningen-fu you can do in the project.clj file to override the instaparse dependency loaded by pigpen with instaparse 1.3.4. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Sunil S Nandihalli sunil.nandiha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi , I am trying to compile a simple clj file which does nothing apart from requiring the pigpen name-space and it fails to compile with the following error. Can anybody help? Attempting to call unbound fn: #'instaparse.combinators-source/cat the full stack trace is here. https://gist.github.com/sunilnandihalli/b400e21552ca97038e56 Thanks, Sunil. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: pigpen newbie question
Thanks Mark and Matt, changing the version back to clojure version 1.6.0 fixed it. Sunil On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 7:05 AM, 'Matt Bossenbroek' via Clojure clojure@googlegroups.com wrote: Just saw this response - disregard the questions I asked you on the pigpen support DL. I'll pull in the new instaparse get a new PigPen build out soonish (within a day or two). -Matt On Thursday, September 11, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Mark Engelberg wrote: You're probably using Clojure 1.7.0 alpha 2, which introduced a new function called cat into the core namespace, which overlaps with a function in instaparse. A couple nights ago, I updated instaparse to version 1.3.4, with an update to deal with this change in alpha 2, but pigpen has not yet been updated to use that version of instaparse. You can either go back to a non-alpha release of Clojure, or wait for the pigpen folks to update, or perhaps there is some leiningen-fu you can do in the project.clj file to override the instaparse dependency loaded by pigpen with instaparse 1.3.4. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Sunil S Nandihalli sunil.nandiha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi , I am trying to compile a simple clj file which does nothing apart from requiring the pigpen name-space and it fails to compile with the following error. Can anybody help? Attempting to call unbound fn: #'instaparse.combinators-source/cat the full stack trace is here. https://gist.github.com/sunilnandihalli/b400e21552ca97038e56 Thanks, Sunil. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: defrecord - CompilerException to referring record defined at other namespace
Thanks a lot , Alex.
So in order to working with defrecords , we have to use fully qualified
name , or we can import them.
But the :require is needed before I can import the 'defrecord' classes..
[... :refer :all] will not import the classes..
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:46:17 PM UTC+8, Alex Miller wrote:
Yeah, dt/Record1 is not a thing that is referenceable.
dt/-Record1 is a constructor function
defrecord_example1.datatypes.Record1 is a class
You can't use the ns alias dt to shorten the name of the class (those are
different naming contexts).
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:44:18 PM UTC-5, Bin Li wrote:
Yes , it is.
Is it because that / is accessing the 'static' function/field ? so at
core.clj:
we can only have there constructors as follow ?
dt/-Record1
dt/-Record2
dt/map-Record1
dt/map-Record2
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:21:45 PM UTC+8, Alex Miller wrote:
Is datatypes.clj at src/defrecord_example1/datatypes.clj ? (note _, not
- in directory name)
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:01:25 AM UTC-5, Bin Li wrote:
I have records defined at datatypes.clj:
```clojure
(ns defrecord-example1.datatypes)
(defrecord Record1 [f1])
(defrecord Record2 [f1 f2 f3])
;; this is working at repl
(def m-inside1
{Record1
(fn [] ({:a A}))
Record2
(fn [] ({:n B}))})
And using at core.clj :
```clojure
(ns defrecord-example1.core
(:require
[defrecord-example1.datatypes :as dt]))
```
;; error at repl
;; CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: No such var:
dt/Record1, compiling:(defrecord_example1\core.clj:7:1)
(def m-in-core1
{dt/Record1
(fn [] ({:a A}))
dt/Record2
(fn [] ({:n B}))})
```
Any one can help on this ?
My project.clj:
``` clojure
(defproject defrecord-example1 0.1.0-SNAPSHOT
:description FIXME: write description
:url http://example.com/FIXME;
:license {:name Eclipse Public License
:url http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html}
:dependencies [[org.clojure/clojure 1.6.0]])
```
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Re: (Request) Rich Hickey's EuroClojure 2014 slides
Fantastic! Thank you very much. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:26:17 PM UTC+2, Alex Miller wrote: The slides are now available at http://cdn.cognitect.com/presentations/2014/insidechannels.pdf. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:57:30 PM UTC-5, puzzler wrote: +1. I also was unable to follow the video without the slides. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Leon Grapenthin grapent...@gmail.com wrote: @Alex Miller: It would be great if an exception could be made. Again: The slides are not in the video. Consuming them in context of the talk is my intention by opening two windows (one with the video, one with the slides). Thanks, Leon. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:33:41 PM UTC+2, Alex Miller wrote: Usually Rich doesn't release his slides as he prefers for them to be consumed in the context of the talk. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:44:47 AM UTC-5, Leon Grapenthin wrote: Hi, I am looking for the slides of this talk because one can't see them in the video: http://vimeo.com/100518968 Thanks, Leon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
