Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

2018-10-10 Thread Josh Tilles 
I recently stumbled across this little example by Ghadi Shayban 

 
that helped *both* prepl and tap click for me:

$ clj -Sdeps '{:deps {org.clojure/clojure {:mvn/version "1.10.0-beta2"}}}'
Clojure 1.10.0-beta2
user=> ;; launch a nested PREPL that steals this REPL’s *in* / *out* streams
user=> (clojure.core.server/io-prepl)
:bar
{:tag :ret, :val ":bar", :ns "user", :ms 0, :form ":bar"}
(defn my-broken-function [x]
  (tap> x)
  (prn "some output")
  (tap> x)
  :bar)
{:tag :ret, :val "#'user/my-broken-function", :ns "user", :ms 223, :form 
"(defn my-broken-function [x]\n  (tap> x)\n  (prn \"some output\")\n  (tap> 
x)\n  :bar)"}

(my-broken-function 24)
{:tag :out, :val "\"some output\"\n"}
{:tag :ret, :val ":bar", :ns "user", :ms 2, :form "(my-broken-function 24)"}
{:tag :tap, :val "24"}
{:tag :tap, :val "24"}

:repl/quit
nil
user=> ^D


On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 10:32:38 AM UTC-4, Colin Fleming wrote:
>
> I’m not sure a guide is needed for tap - the functions are pretty simple?
>>
>
> Personally, I understand the mechanics, but I have no idea how they're 
> intended to be used. I'd love to see some examples of what they're designed 
> to do.
>
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 12:17, Alex Miller  > wrote:
>
>>
>> > On Oct 6, 2018, at 3:53 AM, Mike <145...@gmail.com > 
>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Cool! Will there be more guides how to use tap and prepl ?
>>
>> I’m not sure a guide is needed for tap - the functions are pretty simple? 
>> I’ll think about it.
>>
>> prepl is designed for tool makers so is probably a limited audience and 
>> not really a good target for a guide. The docstrings have a lot more detail 
>> and may lead to some updated reference material.
>>
>> > Is there any plans to release  clj for windows?
>>
>> Yes, but I can’t give you a timeframe. Significant work has been done.
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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

2018-10-10 Thread Alex Miller 
In a situation where you want to understand values flowing through some 
point in your system, you might use println or logging to understand what 
is flowing. 

What are the problems with println/logging?

- both: about strings, not values
- both: hard-wires the putting of the value to where the value goes (log 
f/ws have some flexibility there)
- logging: requires you to add logging crap to your requires and deps
- println: hard-wires where things go to a stream that's difficult to 
rebind in a global way

tap is a means to convey values (not strings) via a queue (see: Language of 
the System) where you can dynamically choose to attach and detach 
handler(s) to tell it to put values wherever you want (a log, a metric, 
println) - but those are decoupled from where you convey the values. tap> 
is in core so it's as easy to add to your code as println.


On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 8:29:08 AM UTC-5, Bozhidar Batsov wrote:
>
> Same here. 
>
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 17:32, Colin Fleming  
> wrote:
>
>> I’m not sure a guide is needed for tap - the functions are pretty simple?
>>>
>>
>> Personally, I understand the mechanics, but I have no idea how they're 
>> intended to be used. I'd love to see some examples of what they're designed 
>> to do.
>>
>> On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 12:17, Alex Miller  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On Oct 6, 2018, at 3:53 AM, Mike <145...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Cool! Will there be more guides how to use tap and prepl ?
>>>
>>> I’m not sure a guide is needed for tap - the functions are pretty 
>>> simple? I’ll think about it.
>>>
>>> prepl is designed for tool makers so is probably a limited audience and 
>>> not really a good target for a guide. The docstrings have a lot more detail 
>>> and may lead to some updated reference material.
>>>
>>> > Is there any plans to release  clj for windows?
>>>
>>> Yes, but I can’t give you a timeframe. Significant work has been done.
>>>
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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

2018-10-10 Thread Bozhidar Batsov 
Same here.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 17:32, Colin Fleming 
wrote:

> I’m not sure a guide is needed for tap - the functions are pretty simple?
>>
>
> Personally, I understand the mechanics, but I have no idea how they're
> intended to be used. I'd love to see some examples of what they're designed
> to do.
>
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 12:17, Alex Miller  wrote:
>
>>
>> > On Oct 6, 2018, at 3:53 AM, Mike <145...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Cool! Will there be more guides how to use tap and prepl ?
>>
>> I’m not sure a guide is needed for tap - the functions are pretty simple?
>> I’ll think about it.
>>
>> prepl is designed for tool makers so is probably a limited audience and
>> not really a good target for a guide. The docstrings have a lot more detail
>> and may lead to some updated reference material.
>>
>> > Is there any plans to release  clj for windows?
>>
>> Yes, but I can’t give you a timeframe. Significant work has been done.
>>
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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

2018-10-09 Thread Colin Fleming 
>
> I’m not sure a guide is needed for tap - the functions are pretty simple?
>

Personally, I understand the mechanics, but I have no idea how they're
intended to be used. I'd love to see some examples of what they're designed
to do.

On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 12:17, Alex Miller  wrote:

>
> > On Oct 6, 2018, at 3:53 AM, Mike <145...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Cool! Will there be more guides how to use tap and prepl ?
>
> I’m not sure a guide is needed for tap - the functions are pretty simple?
> I’ll think about it.
>
> prepl is designed for tool makers so is probably a limited audience and
> not really a good target for a guide. The docstrings have a lot more detail
> and may lead to some updated reference material.
>
> > Is there any plans to release  clj for windows?
>
> Yes, but I can’t give you a timeframe. Significant work has been done.
>
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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

2018-10-08 Thread Yehonathan Sharvit 
This is very appreciated that it is now easy (and not only simple :) ) to 
test new Clojure versions with Clojure CLI: 
  clj -Sdeps '{:deps {org.clojure/clojure {:mvn/version 
"1.10.0-beta1"}}}'


On Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:19:07 UTC+3, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> Thanks for testing!
>
> On Oct 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, Alan Thompson  > wrote:
>
> Looks good to me, tested on both prod and open source code.
> Alan
>
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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

2018-10-06 Thread Alex Miller 
Thanks for testing!

> On Oct 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, Alan Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Looks good to me, tested on both prod and open source code.
> Alan

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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

2018-10-06 Thread Alex Miller 


> On Oct 6, 2018, at 3:53 AM, Mike <145...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Cool! Will there be more guides how to use tap and prepl ?

I’m not sure a guide is needed for tap - the functions are pretty simple? I’ll 
think about it.

prepl is designed for tool makers so is probably a limited audience and not 
really a good target for a guide. The docstrings have a lot more detail and may 
lead to some updated reference material.

> Is there any plans to release  clj for windows?

Yes, but I can’t give you a timeframe. Significant work has been done.

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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

2018-10-06 Thread Mike 
Cool! Will there be more guides how to use tap and prepl ?
Is there any plans to release  clj for windows?

Mike.

суббота, 6 октября 2018 г., 7:56:52 UTC+3 пользователь Alan Thompson 
написал:
>
> Looks good to me, tested on both prod and open source code.
> Alan
>
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 9:21 PM Alex Miller  > wrote:
>
>> Now is a great time to try 1.10.0-beta1 and let us know if you find any 
>> major bugs or performance issues. 
>>
>> I also meant to mention that all changes in Clojure 1.10 are now 
>> collected in the changelog:
>>
>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/changes.md
>>
>> At this point, we consider 1.10 to be feature complete and only plan to 
>> address critical bug fixes so we can move expeditiously towards a final 
>> release.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 11:09:25 PM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> 1.10.0-beta1 is now available. You can try it with clj using:
>>>   clj -Sdeps '{:deps {org.clojure/clojure {:mvn/version 
>>> "1.10.0-beta1"}}}'
>>>
>>> 1.10.0-beta1 includes the following changes since 1.10.0-alpha9:
>>>
>>>- Revert change for CLJ-1550 
>>> - Classes generated 
>>>by deftype and defrecord don’t play nice with .getPackage
>>>- Revert change for CLJ-1435 
>>> - 'numerator and 
>>>'denominator fail to handle integral values (i.e. N/1)
>>>- Add changelog since 1.9
>>>- Mark prepl as alpha
>>>
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RE: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

2018-10-05 Thread Sean Corfield 
Thank you! We’re already on Alpha 8 in production, and we upgraded to Alpha 9 
in dev today. We’ll get Beta 1 onto dev and into QA on Monday and I expect 
we’ll take it to production early next week.

Will there be more detail about prepl in a blog post or similar?

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From: clojure@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alex 
Miller 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 9:21:20 PM
To: Clojure
Subject: Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

Now is a great time to try 1.10.0-beta1 and let us know if you find any major 
bugs or performance issues.

I also meant to mention that all changes in Clojure 1.10 are now collected in 
the changelog:

https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/changes.md

At this point, we consider 1.10 to be feature complete and only plan to address 
critical bug fixes so we can move expeditiously towards a final release.



On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 11:09:25 PM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:

1.10.0-beta1 is now available. You can try it with clj using:

  clj -Sdeps '{:deps {org.clojure/clojure {:mvn/version "1.10.0-beta1"}}}'


1.10.0-beta1 includes the following changes since 1.10.0-alpha9:

  *   Revert change for CLJ-1550<https://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-1550> 
- Classes generated by deftype and defrecord don’t play nice with .getPackage
  *   Revert change for CLJ-1435<https://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-1435> 
- 'numerator and 'denominator fail to handle integral values (i.e. N/1)
  *   Add changelog since 1.9
  *   Mark prepl as alpha

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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

2018-10-05 Thread Alan Thompson 
Looks good to me, tested on both prod and open source code.
Alan

On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 9:21 PM Alex Miller  wrote:

> Now is a great time to try 1.10.0-beta1 and let us know if you find any
> major bugs or performance issues.
>
> I also meant to mention that all changes in Clojure 1.10 are now collected
> in the changelog:
>
> https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/changes.md
>
> At this point, we consider 1.10 to be feature complete and only plan to
> address critical bug fixes so we can move expeditiously towards a final
> release.
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 11:09:25 PM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:
>>
>> 1.10.0-beta1 is now available. You can try it with clj using:
>>   clj -Sdeps '{:deps {org.clojure/clojure {:mvn/version
>> "1.10.0-beta1"}}}'
>>
>> 1.10.0-beta1 includes the following changes since 1.10.0-alpha9:
>>
>>- Revert change for CLJ-1550
>> - Classes generated by
>>deftype and defrecord don’t play nice with .getPackage
>>- Revert change for CLJ-1435
>> - 'numerator and
>>'denominator fail to handle integral values (i.e. N/1)
>>- Add changelog since 1.9
>>- Mark prepl as alpha
>>
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Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.0-beta1

2018-10-05 Thread Alex Miller 
Now is a great time to try 1.10.0-beta1 and let us know if you find any 
major bugs or performance issues. 

I also meant to mention that all changes in Clojure 1.10 are now collected 
in the changelog:

https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/changes.md

At this point, we consider 1.10 to be feature complete and only plan to 
address critical bug fixes so we can move expeditiously towards a final 
release.



On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 11:09:25 PM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> 1.10.0-beta1 is now available. You can try it with clj using:
>   clj -Sdeps '{:deps {org.clojure/clojure {:mvn/version 
> "1.10.0-beta1"}}}'
>
> 1.10.0-beta1 includes the following changes since 1.10.0-alpha9:
>
>- Revert change for CLJ-1550 
> - Classes generated by 
>deftype and defrecord don’t play nice with .getPackage
>- Revert change for CLJ-1435 
> - 'numerator and 
>'denominator fail to handle integral values (i.e. N/1)
>- Add changelog since 1.9
>- Mark prepl as alpha
>
>

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