Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-15 Thread boz jennings
Having fun going through the tutorial! Thanks for the good stuff!
,boz

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 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we 
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app. 

 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app 
 tutorial. 

 Enjoy!

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-10 Thread CA
Awesome!!

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 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we 
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app. 

 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app 
 tutorial. 

 Enjoy!

 -- Ryan Neufeld 


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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-10 Thread Ryan Neufeld
Hey thanks Michael,

I made the link quite a bit bigger. In terms of linking directly to the 
wiki: we want to keep one level of indirection for when we move the 
tutorial to home more flexible than a GitHub wiki.

Thanks for the feedback.

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:58:16 PM UTC-4, Michael Klishin wrote:


 2013/7/9 Ryan Neufeld ry...@thinkrelevance.com javascript:

 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial.


 Ryan,

 Good to see more documentation for Pedestal!

 I have a bit of feedback. Maybe it's just me being really dumb but I was 
 confused about where to find the actual tutorial.
 At some point I thought I need to run the two apps to see any content.

 It turned out to be in the wiki:
 https://github.com/pedestal/app-tutorial/wiki

 but I may be a good idea to make that a bit more obvious in the README at 
 the top. The announcement
 could have linked to the wiki page as well.

 Thanks,
 -- 
 MK

 http://github.com/michaelklishin
 http://twitter.com/michaelklishin
  

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread Hussein B.
O, Yeah!
Thanks!

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 Hey there, Clojurians/Pedestallions! 

 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we 
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app. 

 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app 
 tutorial. 

 Enjoy!

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread Gabriel Horner
Having gone through the tutorial from end to end (before it's release), I 
can't recommend it enough. If you have any curiosity about dataflow web 
programming and/or pedestal-app, give yourself a day to go through this. 
Awesome work Brenton!

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 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
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 Enjoy!

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread Mayank Jain
Thanks. Will check it out and share my feedback.
On Jul 9, 2013 9:34 PM, Ryan Neufeld r...@thinkrelevance.com wrote:

 Hey there, Clojurians/Pedestallions!

 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app.

 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app
 tutorial.

 Enjoy!

 -- Ryan Neufeld


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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread Michael Klishin
2013/7/9 Ryan Neufeld r...@thinkrelevance.com

 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial.


Ryan,

Good to see more documentation for Pedestal!

I have a bit of feedback. Maybe it's just me being really dumb but I was
confused about where to find the actual tutorial.
At some point I thought I need to run the two apps to see any content.

It turned out to be in the wiki:
https://github.com/pedestal/app-tutorial/wiki

but I may be a good idea to make that a bit more obvious in the README at
the top. The announcement
could have linked to the wiki page as well.

Thanks,
-- 
MK

http://github.com/michaelklishin
http://twitter.com/michaelklishin

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread Manuel Paccagnella
I was expecting a tutorial, and now we get this. Speechless. Thank you very 
much, I'll work through it! 

Il giorno martedì 9 luglio 2013 18:03:58 UTC+2, Ryan Neufeld ha scritto:

 Hey there, Clojurians/Pedestallions! 

 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we 
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app. 

 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app 
 tutorial. 

 Enjoy!

 -- Ryan Neufeld 


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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread Giacomo Cosenza
Hi Pedestallions,
as all the others I have been waiting for this tutorial too.

Is there a motivation why you decide to not taking into account any progressive 
enhancement techniques?  Should we assume that progressive enhancement is dead? 
 I just went throw this article 
http://jakearchibald.com/2013/progressive-enhancement-still-important/ which 
seems to say that progressive enhancement is like the rock'n roll: it's here to 
stay.

Anyway, great piece of work! 

My best

Mimmo

On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Manuel Paccagnella wrote:

 I was expecting a tutorial, and now we get this. Speechless. Thank you very 
 much, I'll work through it! 
 
 Il giorno martedì 9 luglio 2013 18:03:58 UTC+2, Ryan Neufeld ha scritto:
 Hey there, Clojurians/Pedestallions!
 
 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we 
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app.
 
 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app 
 tutorial.
 
 Enjoy!
 
 -- Ryan Neufeld
 
 
 -- Ryan Neufeld
 
 
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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread r0man
Hi Pedestal Team,

this is great. Thank you very much!

Roman

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:03:58 PM UTC+2, Ryan Neufeld wrote:

 Hey there, Clojurians/Pedestallions! 

 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we 
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app. 

 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app 
 tutorial. 

 Enjoy!

 -- Ryan Neufeld 


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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread Ryan Neufeld
Mimmo,

Our focus has definitely been on exploring new ideas; supporting progressive 
enhancement has not been a focus of ours. Given the nature of the kinds of 
applications we're building in Pedestal today (extremely rich and collaborative 
ClojureScript applications) I don't see many avenues to add this support in the 
near term. One could certainly write progressive HTML templates, but as soon as 
we cross into the boundary of system behavior things get a little hairy - I get 
the impression it is an all or nothing affair.

Did you have any thoughts about how pedestal-app could better support 
progressive enhancement?

-- Ryan Neufeld

On Jul 9, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Giacomo Cosenza mimmo.cose...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Pedestallions,
 as all the others I have been waiting for this tutorial too.
 
 Is there a motivation why you decide to not taking into account any 
 progressive enhancement techniques?  Should we assume that progressive 
 enhancement is dead?  I just went throw this article 
 http://jakearchibald.com/2013/progressive-enhancement-still-important/ which 
 seems to say that progressive enhancement is like the rock'n roll: it's here 
 to stay.
 
 Anyway, great piece of work! 
 
 My best
 
 Mimmo
 
 On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Manuel Paccagnella wrote:
 
 I was expecting a tutorial, and now we get this. Speechless. Thank you very 
 much, I'll work through it! 
 
 Il giorno martedì 9 luglio 2013 18:03:58 UTC+2, Ryan Neufeld ha scritto:
 Hey there, Clojurians/Pedestallions!
 
 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we 
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app.
 
 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app 
 tutorial.
 
 Enjoy!
 
 -- Ryan Neufeld
 
 
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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread Mimmo Cosenza
Hy Rayan,
On Jul 9, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Ryan Neufeld r...@thinkrelevance.com wrote:

 Mimmo,
 
 Our focus has definitely been on exploring new ideas; supporting progressive 
 enhancement has not been a focus of ours. Given the nature of the kinds of 
 applications we're building in Pedestal today (extremely rich and 
 collaborative ClojureScript applications) I don't see many avenues to add 
 this support in the near term. One could certainly write progressive HTML 
 templates, but as soon as we cross into the boundary of system behavior 
 things get a little hairy - I get the impression it is an all or nothing 
 affair.

Sure, I understand. The trend is speaking by itself.  
 
 Did you have any thoughts about how pedestal-app could better support 
 progressive enhancement?

Probably by working on homogenising Enlive/Enfocus (and hiccups/hiccup) we 
could share the same codebase to serve both the client-side and the 
server-side. To me HTML transformation and DOM manipulation are almost the same 
beast and I really do not understand why we call it transformation on the HTML 
side and manipulation on the client-side. DOM is HTML plus a much more rich set 
of events (but there are events on the server-side too, if we interpret rest 
verbs as events).

In Enlive and Enfocus we have almost the same selectors and the same 
transformations/manipulation. Enfocus is close to be Enlive + Domina Events + 
Effects, but the base is almost the same.  

I'm just thinking about keep this wonderful unifying language to share as mach 
as possible codebase. Imagine the same codebase that serve a full animates DOM 
but even a plain HTML page, just with less dynamism.  

My best

mimmo




 
 -- Ryan Neufeld
 
 On Jul 9, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Giacomo Cosenza mimmo.cose...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pedestallions,
 as all the others I have been waiting for this tutorial too.
 
 Is there a motivation why you decide to not taking into account any 
 progressive enhancement techniques?  Should we assume that progressive 
 enhancement is dead?  I just went throw this article 
 http://jakearchibald.com/2013/progressive-enhancement-still-important/ which 
 seems to say that progressive enhancement is like the rock'n roll: it's here 
 to stay.
 
 Anyway, great piece of work! 
 
 My best
 
 Mimmo
 
 On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Manuel Paccagnella wrote:
 
 I was expecting a tutorial, and now we get this. Speechless. Thank you very 
 much, I'll work through it! 
 
 Il giorno martedì 9 luglio 2013 18:03:58 UTC+2, Ryan Neufeld ha scritto:
 Hey there, Clojurians/Pedestallions!
 
 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we 
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app.
 
 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app 
 tutorial.
 
 Enjoy!
 
 -- Ryan Neufeld
 
 
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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread danieljomphe
Whoa, for anyone interested in learning pedestal-app or dataflow web 
programming, it would feel incredibly wrong to _not_ dive into this tutorial! 
Thanks Ryan and other contributors, and thanks Relevance!

Now, regarding the Getting Started page, it suggests we start from the lein new 
pedestal-app template. That said, it also (very slightly) suggests we clone  
checkout v2.0.0 of app-tutorial to start from there. (Especially if we keep in 
mind that at the root of the Wiki, it's written that if we skip steps, we 
should not forget to checkout the appropriate previous step's tag. But of 
course this most certainly only applies to people skipping steps.) From my 
current understanding, there is no need to clone  checkout anything if you're 
willing to work your way through each step of the tutorial. I suggest you make 
this bit much more explicit.

That said, if you prefer this kind of comment inside of a GitHub issue, let me 
oblige myself on a single word of yours. - And thank you again!



On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:03:58 PM UTC-4, Ryan Neufeld wrote:
 Hey there, Clojurians/Pedestallions!
 
 
 
 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we 
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app.
 
 
 
 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app 
 tutorial.
 
 
 
 
 
 Enjoy!
 
 -- Ryan Neufeld
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- Ryan Neufeld

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread Ryan Neufeld
There definitely isn't a *need* to clone or checkout steps, but it certainly 
doesn't hurt to have a clean slate at each stage (especially considering at 
this time pedestal-app errors can be kind of opaque–we're working on that).

WRT GitHub issues vs. Mailing lists – it's my personal preference to do things 
over GitHub.

Thanks for checking it out.

-- Ryan Neufeld

On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:19 PM, danieljom...@gmail.com wrote:

 Whoa, for anyone interested in learning pedestal-app or dataflow web 
 programming, it would feel incredibly wrong to _not_ dive into this tutorial! 
 Thanks Ryan and other contributors, and thanks Relevance!
 
 Now, regarding the Getting Started page, it suggests we start from the lein 
 new pedestal-app template. That said, it also (very slightly) suggests we 
 clone  checkout v2.0.0 of app-tutorial to start from there. (Especially if 
 we keep in mind that at the root of the Wiki, it's written that if we skip 
 steps, we should not forget to checkout the appropriate previous step's tag. 
 But of course this most certainly only applies to people skipping steps.) 
 From my current understanding, there is no need to clone  checkout anything 
 if you're willing to work your way through each step of the tutorial. I 
 suggest you make this bit much more explicit.
 
 That said, if you prefer this kind of comment inside of a GitHub issue, let 
 me oblige myself on a single word of yours. - And thank you again!
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:03:58 PM UTC-4, Ryan Neufeld wrote:
 Hey there, Clojurians/Pedestallions!
 
 
 
 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we 
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app.
 
 
 
 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app 
 tutorial.
 
 
 
 
 
 Enjoy!
 
 -- Ryan Neufeld
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [ANN] Pedestal-app Tutorial has been released

2013-07-09 Thread John Walker
This is so cool! Brenton and Ryan, thanks so much for taking the time to 
write this.

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:03:58 PM UTC-4, Ryan Neufeld wrote:

 Hey there, Clojurians/Pedestallions! 

 I'm pleased to announce the release of a comprehensive tutorial for 
 pedestal-app: http://bit.ly/pedestal-app-tutorial. In this tutorial we 
 finally *dive deep* into the guts of pedestal-app and build a distributed 
 multiplayer game using pedestal-app. 

 Major kudos to @brentonashworth for all his hard work on the pedestal-app 
 tutorial. 

 Enjoy!

 -- Ryan Neufeld 


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