Re: Sample application as showcase of Clojure DSL / Metaprogramming?
Not yet, but it definitely in my todo list :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Sample application as showcase of Clojure DSL / Metaprogramming?
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Alexey Petrushin alexey.petrus...@gmail.com wrote: 1. No compilation step, quick live prototyping in browser. Already possible, and IMO better experience than pretty much anything else out there - Browser REPL 2. Pure browser environment, no need to install anything. Not sure what the benefit is here. Even CoffeeScript requires an install to be useful for real development. w/o Google Closure, ClojureScript's footprint would be unwieldy. David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Sample application as showcase of Clojure DSL / Metaprogramming?
While the statement that creating any syntax is true for LISP, so for Clojure its not because of missing reader macro (The read table is currently not accessible to user programs. from http://clojure.org/reader). Nevertheless I found homoiconicity very useful. I turned my XML document (with my imagined syntax) into Clojure code which was just bunch of functions and macros (for changing the execution the control flow). It was made for my custom forms, context validations and transformations into Java objects in GWT project (unfortunately the client side still had to interpret the data structures to create froms, but the rest could be executed with Clojure on the server side). Above example resembles the ANT with the difference that I hadn't to write complicated interpreter and class hierarchy (one module less) and still gained better flexibility and maintenance in future. On Sep 24, 11:17 pm, alexey.petrushin alexey.petrus...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm learning Clojure (work mainly with Java and Ruby), interested in it after reading Paul Graham and watched very interesting presentation about persistent data structures by Rich Hickey. So, one of the cornerstones of Paul Graham articles is - Lisp has no syntax, so You can create any syntax that suits You best, and because code is just a data it's very easy to do. You can model any concept - create DSL best suited for Your problem or model Object Oriented approach, Inheritance, and so on. But I believe, it's very hard to demonstrate this advantages on the simple samples. You has to do something real and complex to see advantages of this approach. So, maybe there's an interesting Open Source Project that uses this approach? With clean code that can be seen as showcase of such techniks, and You can dig in it and see all this in action by Yourself? It would be really interesting. Thanks. P.S. One more small question - as far as I know right now ClojureScript doesn't support eval and requires Java for compiling, any plans to support this in future? ClojureScript compiler written in ClojureScript / JavaScript without Java requirement? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Sample application as showcase of Clojure DSL / Metaprogramming?
Hello Alexey, Probably, russian is your primary language? Then look here for the examples of the DSL: 1. http://my-clojure.blogspot.com/search/label/DSL -- a simple embedded DSL for the application configuration; 2. Here (http://scala.by/meetups/2011/09/10/4.html) you may get the slides of my presentation and my speech in MS Word format. It is about DSLs construction. Regards, Dmitry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Sample application as showcase of Clojure DSL / Metaprogramming?
Hello, I'm learning Clojure (work mainly with Java and Ruby), interested in it after reading Paul Graham and watched very interesting presentation about persistent data structures by Rich Hickey. So, one of the cornerstones of Paul Graham articles is - Lisp has no syntax, so You can create any syntax that suits You best, and because code is just a data it's very easy to do. You can model any concept - create DSL best suited for Your problem or model Object Oriented approach, Inheritance, and so on. But I believe, it's very hard to demonstrate this advantages on the simple samples. You has to do something real and complex to see advantages of this approach. So, maybe there's an interesting Open Source Project that uses this approach? With clean code that can be seen as showcase of such techniks, and You can dig in it and see all this in action by Yourself? It would be really interesting. Thanks. P.S. One more small question - as far as I know right now ClojureScript doesn't support eval and requires Java for compiling, any plans to support this in future? ClojureScript compiler written in ClojureScript / JavaScript without Java requirement? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Sample application as showcase of Clojure DSL / Metaprogramming?
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:17 PM, alexey.petrushin alexey.petrus...@gmail.com wrote: P.S. One more small question - as far as I know right now ClojureScript doesn't support eval and requires Java for compiling, any plans to support this in future? ClojureScript compiler written in ClojureScript / JavaScript without Java requirement? It's a possibility. But what's the tangible advantage? David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Sample application as showcase of Clojure DSL / Metaprogramming?
You might find my article useful: http://pragprog.com/magazines/2011-07/growing-a-dsl-with-clojure (Errata: http://forums.pragprog.com/forums/134/topics/9318) You can then dig into the code of stevedore: https://github.com/pallet/stevedore It's basically building an interpreter, but all of the same concepts as building a DSL. Thanks, Ambrose On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 5:17 AM, alexey.petrushin alexey.petrus...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm learning Clojure (work mainly with Java and Ruby), interested in it after reading Paul Graham and watched very interesting presentation about persistent data structures by Rich Hickey. So, one of the cornerstones of Paul Graham articles is - Lisp has no syntax, so You can create any syntax that suits You best, and because code is just a data it's very easy to do. You can model any concept - create DSL best suited for Your problem or model Object Oriented approach, Inheritance, and so on. But I believe, it's very hard to demonstrate this advantages on the simple samples. You has to do something real and complex to see advantages of this approach. So, maybe there's an interesting Open Source Project that uses this approach? With clean code that can be seen as showcase of such techniks, and You can dig in it and see all this in action by Yourself? It would be really interesting. Thanks. P.S. One more small question - as far as I know right now ClojureScript doesn't support eval and requires Java for compiling, any plans to support this in future? ClojureScript compiler written in ClojureScript / JavaScript without Java requirement? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Sample application as showcase of Clojure DSL / Metaprogramming?
1. No compilation step, quick live prototyping in browser. 2. Pure browser environment, no need to install anything. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Sample application as showcase of Clojure DSL / Metaprogramming?
Am 24.09.2011 23:17, schrieb alexey.petrushin: Hello, I'm learning Clojure (work mainly with Java and Ruby), interested in it after reading Paul Graham and watched very interesting presentation about persistent data structures by Rich Hickey. Speaking of Paul Graham, have you read On Lisp? It's code samples are based on pre-ANSI Common Lisp, but are very impressive and show nicely what Lisp macros can do. The book is available for download on Graham's homepage: http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisp.html Regards, Denis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
