Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Stuart Sierra the.stuart.sie...@gmail.com wrote: Do we need a direct link to the JAR on the download page? That's easy enough. I think the easier the better for its adoption. If a single user has asked for it, I'd add it (even though others might consider what's available already as easy enough). Since it gonna be just a single link... :-) Jacek -- Jacek Laskowski Notatnik Projektanta Java EE - http://jaceklaskowski.pl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Adrian Cuthbertson adrian.cuthbert...@gmail.com wrote: - A personal antipathy towards bloat and anything that just gets downloaded without my fully understanding what it is and why it's there. Yes, this is my main objection to maven and why I've resolutely stuck with ant and managing things myself over the years. Leiningen makes me feel like I'm in control tho' (even if that's an illusion) and it simplifies the whole maven repository thing (great job Phil!). I like that once I've gotten the libraries downloaded and can use them to test / run code, I can easily push those under version control and update my ant based build/test automation scripts to solidify my processes. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
*1* a java-based alternative to maven and ant is gradle. pro: - gradle is a fantastic build-framework contra: - gradle is not leightweight - even more thirdparty-dependencys - build-scripts are implemented in a groovy-based DSL - gradle-users have to learn groovy basics i think a clojure-plugin for gradle exists and is called clojuresque (imo it should be named 'clojure-plugin for gradle'). i dont know the exact state of it. *2* to get rid of the dependency on external artifact-repos like ibiblio you could establish your own repo-infrastructure using artifactory. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
Yes, it's in the ZIP file, distributed through http://clojure.org/downloads It's in the ZIP file at target/clojure-contrib-1.2.0.jar You can also download it directly at http://build.clojure.org/releases/org/clojure/clojure-contrib/1.2.0/clojure-contrib-1.2.0.jar Do we need a direct link to the JAR on the download page? That's easy enough. -S On Sep 8, 3:21 pm, Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a monolithic standalone contrib jar out there? A download forget type of thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Standalone 1.2 contrib
Is there a monolithic standalone contrib jar out there? A download forget type of thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
Hi, Have you followed the Download link from clojure.org ? 2010/9/8 Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com: Is there a monolithic standalone contrib jar out there? A download forget type of thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
Yep. It downloaded a zip file, which needed built. Maven broke. I really don't want to mess with maven right now. I just want a contrib JAR. On Sep 8, 3:22 pm, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Have you followed the Download link from clojure.org ? 2010/9/8 Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com: Is there a monolithic standalone contrib jar out there? A download forget type of thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
look in the target/ dir of the zip ... 2010/9/8 Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com: Yep. It downloaded a zip file, which needed built. Maven broke. I really don't want to mess with maven right now. I just want a contrib JAR. On Sep 8, 3:22 pm, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Have you followed the Download link from clojure.org ? 2010/9/8 Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com: Is there a monolithic standalone contrib jar out there? A download forget type of thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
I felt the same way until I realized that downloading clojure straight from the web page was pretty much me doing it wrong or attempting to use the custom install that I wasn't ready to do yet (not knowing what I was doing). Leiningen is the easy way to get clojure, contrib, everything else, plus properly setup your app to start. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com Sender: clojure@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:38:27 To: Clojureclojure@googlegroups.com Reply-To: clojure@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib Laurent, Thank you for the specific help. Rich/Core This is WAY TOO MUCH WORK. The first entries on the download page should be just .JARs, and then below that you could have the zip files you have now. Also, the simple version should be bigger. Here's the rough idea of what I mean h1 a href=clojure.jarClojure/a br / a href=clojure-contrib.jarContrib/a /h1 h2Source/h2 p a href=clojure.zipClojure/a br / a href=clojure-contrib.zipContrib/a /p Sean On Sep 8, 3:30 pm, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: look in the target/ dir of the zip ... 2010/9/8 Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com: Yep. It downloaded a zip file, which needed built. Maven broke. I really don't want to mess with maven right now. I just want a contrib JAR. On Sep 8, 3:22 pm, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Have you followed the Download link from clojure.org ? 2010/9/8 Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com: Is there a monolithic standalone contrib jar out there? A download forget type of thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
Until you don't want to deal with maven, and just need a jar. Like if you're installing Enclojure just want the stupid jars. On Sep 8, 3:42 pm, buckmeist...@gmail.com wrote: I felt the same way until I realized that downloading clojure straight from the web page was pretty much me doing it wrong or attempting to use the custom install that I wasn't ready to do yet (not knowing what I was doing). Leiningen is the easy way to get clojure, contrib, everything else, plus properly setup your app to start. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com Sender: clojure@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:38:27 To: Clojureclojure@googlegroups.com Reply-To: clojure@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib Laurent, Thank you for the specific help. Rich/Core This is WAY TOO MUCH WORK. The first entries on the download page should be just .JARs, and then below that you could have the zip files you have now. Also, the simple version should be bigger. Here's the rough idea of what I mean h1 a href=clojure.jarClojure/a br / a href=clojure-contrib.jarContrib/a /h1 h2Source/h2 p a href=clojure.zipClojure/a br / a href=clojure-contrib.zipContrib/a /p Sean On Sep 8, 3:30 pm, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: look in the target/ dir of the zip ... 2010/9/8 Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com: Yep. It downloaded a zip file, which needed built. Maven broke. I really don't want to mess with maven right now. I just want a contrib JAR. On Sep 8, 3:22 pm, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Have you followed the Download link from clojure.org ? 2010/9/8 Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com: Is there a monolithic standalone contrib jar out there? A download forget type of thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
I strongly support any initiative that does not assume maven is a given. -Rgds, Adrian. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com wrote: Until you don't want to deal with maven, and just need a jar. Like if you're installing Enclojure just want the stupid jars. On Sep 8, 3:42 pm, buckmeist...@gmail.com wrote: I felt the same way until I realized that downloading clojure straight from the web page was pretty much me doing it wrong or attempting to use the custom install that I wasn't ready to do yet (not knowing what I was doing). Leiningen is the easy way to get clojure, contrib, everything else, plus properly setup your app to start. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com Sender: clojure@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:38:27 To: Clojureclojure@googlegroups.com Reply-To: clojure@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib Laurent, Thank you for the specific help. Rich/Core This is WAY TOO MUCH WORK. The first entries on the download page should be just .JARs, and then below that you could have the zip files you have now. Also, the simple version should be bigger. Here's the rough idea of what I mean h1 a href=clojure.jarClojure/a br / a href=clojure-contrib.jarContrib/a /h1 h2Source/h2 p a href=clojure.zipClojure/a br / a href=clojure-contrib.zipContrib/a /p Sean On Sep 8, 3:30 pm, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: look in the target/ dir of the zip ... 2010/9/8 Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com: Yep. It downloaded a zip file, which needed built. Maven broke. I really don't want to mess with maven right now. I just want a contrib JAR. On Sep 8, 3:22 pm, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Have you followed the Download link from clojure.org ? 2010/9/8 Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com: Is there a monolithic standalone contrib jar out there? A download forget type of thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com wrote: Rich/Core This is WAY TOO MUCH WORK. The first entries on the download page should be just .JARs, and then below that you could have the zip files you have now. Also, the simple version should be bigger. Here's the rough idea of what I mean There's good stuff here: http://build.clojure.org/releases/org/clojure/clojure-contrib/1.2.0/ Seems like an obvious place for the download page to link to. -Phil -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
I think Leiningen does a great job of hiding maven. I initially wanted to avoid Leiningen because of maven and when I was putting together cfmljure (as a way to introduce Clojure to CFML developers :) I initially documented the download ZIP, unzip, copy JARs approach but then I reconsidered and updated cfmljure to work better with Leiningen projects and updated the docs for lein instead. I think it's by far the easiest way to deal with getting Clojure up and running. You download one script, make it executable and run it to install Leiningen and then projects are as easy as 1. lein new myproject, 2. lein deps, 3. lein test - although I pretty much always add lein-run and I'm looking forward to it being built into Leiningen at some future date (hopefully!). On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Adrian Cuthbertson adrian.cuthbert...@gmail.com wrote: I strongly support any initiative that does not assume maven is a given. -Rgds, Adrian. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com wrote: Until you don't want to deal with maven, and just need a jar. Like if you're installing Enclojure just want the stupid jars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Standalone 1.2 contrib
Thanks Phil, the release jars address my concerns. Just to elaborate on Sean C's post, I think Leiningen is a great initiative - especially for those new to clojure/java, but for me it and maven are dissonant with my setup. From various comments on the list, I suspect there are others who have a similar view. My particular perspective is; - A long-time Java (Unix) developer who has evolved a rich set of home-grown bash/ant processes for managing dev, test and a number of production servers. - Two-odd years of clojure dev and melding that into the above environment - A personal antipathy towards bloat and anything that just gets downloaded without my fully understanding what it is and why it's there. - A willingness to deal with sorting out dependencies myself. - The above in order to have full control and transparency over an environment in which I have full accountability to a demanding and unforgiving customer base. For me, the ideal is having a set of stable jars from release to release for both clojure and c.c and those third party libs which I use. I am happy with the modularization of c.c as I can meld those as well and get a more refined subset. I have no problem bashing (yeah pun) together a utility to build my own c.c jar from the distribution or from github for experimental dev. I simply appeal to other third-party library developers to structure their (preferably github) source so that dependencies are easy to separate out and handle ourselves. - Adrian. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: I think Leiningen does a great job of hiding maven. I initially wanted to avoid Leiningen because of maven and when I was putting together cfmljure (as a way to introduce Clojure to CFML developers :) I initially documented the download ZIP, unzip, copy JARs approach but then I reconsidered and updated cfmljure to work better with Leiningen projects and updated the docs for lein instead. I think it's by far the easiest way to deal with getting Clojure up and running. You download one script, make it executable and run it to install Leiningen and then projects are as easy as 1. lein new myproject, 2. lein deps, 3. lein test - although I pretty much always add lein-run and I'm looking forward to it being built into Leiningen at some future date (hopefully!). On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Adrian Cuthbertson adrian.cuthbert...@gmail.com wrote: I strongly support any initiative that does not assume maven is a given. -Rgds, Adrian. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com wrote: Until you don't want to deal with maven, and just need a jar. Like if you're installing Enclojure just want the stupid jars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
