Re: Welcome the new maintainer of Loom: Paul Snyder

2016-02-15 Thread Julio Barros 
+1

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Paul L. Snyder  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2016 6:19 AM, "Aysylu Greenberg"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm pleased to announce that Paul Snyder
>> (@pataprogramming, pataprogramming on Github) has joined me in maintaining
>> Loom. I'm excited for the coming year for Loom, with more excellent
>> contributions accepted faster.
>> 
>> Your Readme doesn't even bother to say what loom is.
> 
> Hi, Gregg,
> 
> Thanks for pointing out an area where additional clarification would be
> helpful to potential users of Loom. 
> 
> Who is the 'you' that this criticism is intended to address? Aysylu, who's
> been serving as maintainer for this library over the last years? Justin,
> who originally created it? The over two dozen contributors who have helped
> build its functionality? Suggesting that they didn't "even bother" with
> something is, frankly, rude and unproductive.
> 
> I'm happy we don't see much of this sort of casual disrespect in the
> Clojure community (with the exception of occasional bad actors on the
> mailing list). The worst of what we do see is, largely, aimed at those who
> contribute the most: the team that maintains Clojure itself.
> 
> People who are willing to invest their time to make and share useful tools
> are a resource. They should be allowed to direct their energy toward making
> those tools better, rather than having it drained by jerky interactions.
> Whether we find a project personally useful or not, we owe Open Source
> authors, at a minimum, politeness. This is at least partially in our own
> interest: we want them to keep making those tools, rather than burning out
> and switching to a more rewarding activity.
> 
> Here's an article on framing feedback in a less confrontational and
> accusatory manner.
> 
>  http://personalexcellence.co/blog/constructive-criticism/
> 
> "Thanks for sharing Loom. There's a lot of information in the README, but
> I found it difficult to figure out what the library actually does. It
> would be helpful to have a concise, up-front description of its purpose."
> 
> Regards,
> Paul
> 
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Welcome the new maintainer of Loom: Paul Snyder

2016-02-15 Thread Rafik NACCACHE 
I want to thank you guys for this library. I use it in milestones,my project 
scheduling library (https://github.com/turbopape/milestones) to detect cycles 
in tasks precedence graph. Keep on the great work, and all the best for the 
maintaibers' team!

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Re: Welcome the new maintainer of Loom: Paul Snyder

2016-02-15 Thread Ghadi Shayban 
You're going to be a great maintainer, Paul.

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 5:30:04 PM UTC-5, Paul L. Snyder wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Gregg Reynolds wrote: 
>
> > On Feb 11, 2016 6:19 AM, "Aysylu Greenberg"  > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I'm pleased to announce that Paul Snyder 
> > (@pataprogramming, pataprogramming on Github) has joined me in 
> maintaining 
> > Loom. I'm excited for the coming year for Loom, with more excellent 
> > contributions accepted faster. 
> > 
> > Your Readme doesn't even bother to say what loom is. 
>
> Hi, Gregg, 
>
> Thanks for pointing out an area where additional clarification would be 
> helpful to potential users of Loom. 
>
> Who is the 'you' that this criticism is intended to address? Aysylu, who's 
> been serving as maintainer for this library over the last years? Justin, 
> who originally created it? The over two dozen contributors who have helped 
> build its functionality? Suggesting that they didn't "even bother" with 
> something is, frankly, rude and unproductive. 
>
> I'm happy we don't see much of this sort of casual disrespect in the 
> Clojure community (with the exception of occasional bad actors on the 
> mailing list). The worst of what we do see is, largely, aimed at those who 
> contribute the most: the team that maintains Clojure itself. 
>
> People who are willing to invest their time to make and share useful tools 
> are a resource. They should be allowed to direct their energy toward 
> making 
> those tools better, rather than having it drained by jerky interactions. 
> Whether we find a project personally useful or not, we owe Open Source 
> authors, at a minimum, politeness. This is at least partially in our own 
> interest: we want them to keep making those tools, rather than burning out 
> and switching to a more rewarding activity. 
>
> Here's an article on framing feedback in a less confrontational and 
> accusatory manner. 
>
>   http://personalexcellence.co/blog/constructive-criticism/ 
>
> "Thanks for sharing Loom. There's a lot of information in the README, but 
> I found it difficult to figure out what the library actually does. It 
> would be helpful to have a concise, up-front description of its purpose." 
>
> Regards, 
> Paul 
>

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Re: Welcome the new maintainer of Loom: Paul Snyder

2016-02-15 Thread Paul L. Snyder 
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Gregg Reynolds wrote:

> On Feb 11, 2016 6:19 AM, "Aysylu Greenberg"  wrote:
> >
> > I'm pleased to announce that Paul Snyder
> (@pataprogramming, pataprogramming on Github) has joined me in maintaining
> Loom. I'm excited for the coming year for Loom, with more excellent
> contributions accepted faster.
> 
> Your Readme doesn't even bother to say what loom is.

Hi, Gregg,

Thanks for pointing out an area where additional clarification would be
helpful to potential users of Loom. 

Who is the 'you' that this criticism is intended to address? Aysylu, who's
been serving as maintainer for this library over the last years? Justin,
who originally created it? The over two dozen contributors who have helped
build its functionality? Suggesting that they didn't "even bother" with
something is, frankly, rude and unproductive.

I'm happy we don't see much of this sort of casual disrespect in the
Clojure community (with the exception of occasional bad actors on the
mailing list). The worst of what we do see is, largely, aimed at those who
contribute the most: the team that maintains Clojure itself.

People who are willing to invest their time to make and share useful tools
are a resource. They should be allowed to direct their energy toward making
those tools better, rather than having it drained by jerky interactions.
Whether we find a project personally useful or not, we owe Open Source
authors, at a minimum, politeness. This is at least partially in our own
interest: we want them to keep making those tools, rather than burning out
and switching to a more rewarding activity.

Here's an article on framing feedback in a less confrontational and
accusatory manner.

  http://personalexcellence.co/blog/constructive-criticism/

"Thanks for sharing Loom. There's a lot of information in the README, but
I found it difficult to figure out what the library actually does. It
would be helpful to have a concise, up-front description of its purpose."

Regards,
Paul

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Re: Welcome the new maintainer of Loom: Paul Snyder

2016-02-15 Thread Gregg Reynolds 
On Feb 11, 2016 6:19 AM, "Aysylu Greenberg"  wrote:
>
> I'm pleased to announce that Paul Snyder
(@pataprogramming, pataprogramming on Github) has joined me in maintaining
Loom. I'm excited for the coming year for Loom, with more excellent
contributions accepted faster.

Your Readme doesn't even bother to say what loom is.

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Re: Welcome the new maintainer of Loom: Paul Snyder

2016-02-14 Thread Andy Fingerhut 
I had never seen JUNG before.  I've not looked at its implementation at
all, but the demos are pretty impressive.  As you say, graphviz is nice for
what it does, but I did not realize there was an open source 'graphical
graph manipulator' like this.

Andy

On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Paul L. Snyder 
wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Feb 2016, Aysylu Greenberg wrote:
>
> > I'm pleased to announce that Paul Snyder (@pataprogramming,
> pataprogramming
> > on Github ) has joined me in
> > maintaining Loom. I'm excited for the coming year for Loom
> > , with more excellent contributions
> > accepted faster.
>
> Thanks very much, Aysylu, and thanks to Justin for creating Loom and to
> everyone who's contributed its lifetime. This library for easily
> manipulable, moderate-scale persistent graphs occupies a useful niche in
> the Clojure ecosystem.
>
> I'm starting to review the open pull request and issues. If you have
> a particular feature that you'd like to see, or a use case that you'd
> like to see Loom work toward supporting, please let me know.
>
> One things that I particularly hope to improve is the ability to
> easily visualize and interact with your graphs. Graphviz is a nice
> starting point, but it's limited to static images.
>
> In previous projects, I've interfaced Loom with JUNG (http://jung.sf.net)
> to add interactive, Swing-based graph visualizations.  As a library, JUNG
> is getting rather stale (its last release was in January 2010), but some
> of its facilities and APIs may serve as inspiration for future
> directions.
>
> I've pulled some of the interface code out of a previous project, cleaned
> it up, and added better support for the Seesaw library for using Swing
> from Clojure (http://github.com/daveray/seesaw).  This is not likely to
> be immediately useful to anyone, but it's a nice proof-of-concept.
>
> You can give it a try from
>
>   http://github.com/pataprogramming/loom-jung
>
> There is a short walkthrough on using the library to visualize simple
> graphs. Doing anything more complicated will likely require digging into
> JUNG's (exceedingly ugly) API, but it's enough to play around with.  The
> library is also available from Clojars:
>
>   [pataprogramming/loom-jung "0.1.0"]
>
> Paul
>
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Re: Welcome the new maintainer of Loom: Paul Snyder

2016-02-14 Thread Paul L. Snyder 
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016, Aysylu Greenberg wrote:

> I'm pleased to announce that Paul Snyder (@pataprogramming, pataprogramming 
> on Github ) has joined me in 
> maintaining Loom. I'm excited for the coming year for Loom 
> , with more excellent contributions 
> accepted faster.

Thanks very much, Aysylu, and thanks to Justin for creating Loom and to
everyone who's contributed its lifetime. This library for easily
manipulable, moderate-scale persistent graphs occupies a useful niche in
the Clojure ecosystem.

I'm starting to review the open pull request and issues. If you have
a particular feature that you'd like to see, or a use case that you'd
like to see Loom work toward supporting, please let me know.

One things that I particularly hope to improve is the ability to 
easily visualize and interact with your graphs. Graphviz is a nice
starting point, but it's limited to static images.

In previous projects, I've interfaced Loom with JUNG (http://jung.sf.net)
to add interactive, Swing-based graph visualizations.  As a library, JUNG
is getting rather stale (its last release was in January 2010), but some
of its facilities and APIs may serve as inspiration for future
directions.

I've pulled some of the interface code out of a previous project, cleaned
it up, and added better support for the Seesaw library for using Swing
from Clojure (http://github.com/daveray/seesaw).  This is not likely to
be immediately useful to anyone, but it's a nice proof-of-concept.

You can give it a try from

  http://github.com/pataprogramming/loom-jung

There is a short walkthrough on using the library to visualize simple
graphs. Doing anything more complicated will likely require digging into
JUNG's (exceedingly ugly) API, but it's enough to play around with.  The
library is also available from Clojars:

  [pataprogramming/loom-jung "0.1.0"]

Paul

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Welcome the new maintainer of Loom: Paul Snyder

2016-02-11 Thread Aysylu Greenberg 
I'm pleased to announce that Paul Snyder (@pataprogramming, pataprogramming 
on Github ) has joined me in 
maintaining Loom. I'm excited for the coming year for Loom 
, with more excellent contributions 
accepted faster.

Cheers,
Aysylu

https://twitter.com/aysylu22/status/697751663642284032

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