Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-13 Thread Sandro red Mathys
We initially planned to make the modular kernel packaging a
self-contained change. But it now seems we also require changes to
Anaconda and yum (and dnf?), so I think this change rather falls into
the category of a system-wide change. According to the rules, I think
it would still be possible to propose the change as a self-contained
change IF we list owners of all affected packages. But changing
kernel, anaconda and yum does seem rather critical to the whole system
so I do think a system-wide change would be much more appropriate.
More so since it might well be that the kernel split does affect more,
as of yet unknown packages. Any objections to change the scope?

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Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Sandro red Mathys
r...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 We initially planned to make the modular kernel packaging a
 self-contained change. But it now seems we also require changes to
 Anaconda and yum (and dnf?), so I think this change rather falls into
 the category of a system-wide change. According to the rules, I think
 it would still be possible to propose the change as a self-contained
 change IF we list owners of all affected packages. But changing
 kernel, anaconda and yum does seem rather critical to the whole system
 so I do think a system-wide change would be much more appropriate.
 More so since it might well be that the kernel split does affect more,
 as of yet unknown packages. Any objections to change the scope?

No objections.  Even if this was just contained to the kernel I would
have suggested a system-wide change anyway.  The more scrutiny the
better.

josh
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help wanted! please review ec2 quickstart docs

2014-03-13 Thread Matthew Miller
http://stg.fedoraproject.org/en/using/tutorials/ec2.html

Don't worry about fonts or layout -- this is work in progress. Looking for
feedback on content. Please send that to Robert Mayr (aka robyduck) via irc
or email.

Thanks!

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Heat and requirements for all-it-does-is-docker cloud image

2014-03-13 Thread Matthew Miller
This is a three part question. No, wait, one clarifying statement and
two questions. Okay, one clarifying statement, one main question with
many sub-questions, and then a bonus question. :)

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First, again, the primary Fedora Cloud image is going to continue to
contain heat-cfntools, and python, and we won't migrate away from
cloud-init without a replacement which covers what heat needs. So, this
is just about a specialized image tailored for docker.

---

So, the main question: given that Docker upstream is recommending Heat
as the best way to do Docker in OpenStack, what are the minimal
requirements on the image for doing that?

Is there a way to preconfigure the image so that heat-cfntools aren't
required? In that case, do we need #cloud-config formatted userdata or
can we get away with the #! shell-script style? If it is #cloud-config,
is a _subset_ of that syntax sufficient (as for example CoreOS does)?

If we choose to go with rpm-ostree for the image itself, will Heat be
foiled by a surprise lack of ability to install packages? (Not just no
yum, but actually read-only /usr?) I know that CloudFormation can do
all sorts of things, but which will it need to do in this case? And is
there a way to present these limitations to users in a way that won't
be confusing? (Including, I assume, pointing them to the
general-purpose image if the Docker one isn't flexible enough.)

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And the bonus question: if in the F23 or F24 timeframe, we go full-on
rpm-ostree for the primary image (while still keeping it basically
general purpose), will the pkglayer concept (where groups of packages
can be added on top) be sufficient? I assume that it is _required_, and
the basic idea is that we would need to add support for it to
cfn_helper.py -- and possibly to Amazon's CloudFormation stuff too.
Would going this direction be _workable_ for Heat?

---

Thanks!

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Re: help wanted! please review ec2 quickstart docs

2014-03-13 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Matthew Miller
mat...@fedoraproject.orgwrote:

 http://stg.fedoraproject.org/en/using/tutorials/ec2.html

 Don't worry about fonts or layout -- this is work in progress. Looking for
 feedback on content. Please send that to Robert Mayr (aka robyduck) via irc
 or email.


I'd be happy to review this a bit later, and give feedback to robyduck.
Just out of curiosity though, is any of this intended to make its way into
the Cloud Guide?  Or is Cloud Guide completely abandoned from the
perspective of the Cloud SIG?

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Re: help wanted! please review ec2 quickstart docs

2014-03-13 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Jared K. Smith
jsm...@fedoraproject.orgwrote:

 Just out of curiosity though, is any of this intended to make its way into
 the Cloud Guide?  Or is Cloud Guide completely abandoned from the
 perspective of the Cloud SIG?


I really should have checked the Cloud Guide a bit closer before saying
that -- it seems this page is pretty much a copy/paste from the Amazon EC2
section of the Cloud Guide.  And when I went to check to see who had
written that section of the Cloud Guide, I found that it was mostly me :-/

That still begs the question though -- does anybody else but me care about
the Cloud Guide, or have any interest in working on it with me?

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Introduction and packaging for Marconi

2014-03-13 Thread Jon Bernard
Hello everyone, I'm Jon and I've created a package for the openstack
marconi project [1].  As I'm not yet a member of the packaging team,
I will need a sponsor for this package.  Any feedback is much
appreciated.

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1075822

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Re: help wanted! please review ec2 quickstart docs

2014-03-13 Thread Pete Travis
On Mar 13, 2014 3:26 PM, Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org
wrote:

 Just out of curiosity though, is any of this intended to make its way
into the Cloud Guide?  Or is Cloud Guide completely abandoned from the
perspective of the Cloud SIG?


 I really should have checked the Cloud Guide a bit closer before saying
that -- it seems this page is pretty much a copy/paste from the Amazon EC2
section of the Cloud Guide.  And when I went to check to see who had
written that section of the Cloud Guide, I found that it was mostly me :-/

 That still begs the question though -- does anybody else but me care
about the Cloud Guide, or have any interest in working on it with me?

 --
 Jared Smith


I've poked at it in relatively recent history, and maybe even corrected the
source for some of the things you've pointed out (or at least made notes :)

Definitely something I'm interested in working on, but time and the
experience gap have combined forces against me.

-- Pete
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