Re: [CMake] Are the poor reviews of Mastering CMake Justified?
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:11 PM, DJ wrote: > One of the things that seems to me to be missing is some kind of quick > description of the overall "theory of cmake". I am a top-down kind of > person, so I really dislike being left with nothing but "here, type this > in" which is what a lot of the web stuff seems to be. A sketch of how it > works conceptually would help me. (Of course, I need examples too.) > There's the manages. Specifically cmake-buildsystem(7) and cmake-language(7) (and the others, though those are more reference lists of details). -- Powered by www.kitware.com Please keep messages on-topic and check the CMake FAQ at: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ Kitware offers various services to support the CMake community. For more information on each offering, please visit: CMake Support: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/support.html CMake Consulting: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/consulting.html CMake Training Courses: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/training.html Visit other Kitware open-source projects at http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe: http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/cmake
Re: [CMake] Are the poor reviews of Mastering CMake Justified?
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:11 PM, DJ wrote: > > One of the things that seems to me to be missing is some kind of quick > description of the overall "theory of cmake". I am a top-down kind of > person, so I really dislike being left with nothing but "here, type this > in" which is what a lot of the web stuff seems to be. A sketch of how it > works conceptually would help me. (Of course, I need examples too.) > > It's old but it still gets a few hundreds downloads a month: http://www.elpauer.org/stuff/learning_cmake.pdf -- Pau Garcia i Quiles http://www.elpauer.org (Due to my workload, I may need 10 days to answer) -- Powered by www.kitware.com Please keep messages on-topic and check the CMake FAQ at: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ Kitware offers various services to support the CMake community. For more information on each offering, please visit: CMake Support: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/support.html CMake Consulting: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/consulting.html CMake Training Courses: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/training.html Visit other Kitware open-source projects at http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe: http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/cmake
Re: [CMake] Are the poor reviews of Mastering CMake Justified?
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I think I may be stuck having to learn cmake because several software libraries that I am starting to use build with cmake. Based on the feedback, for no I'll pass on the book and see what I can do by reading online. One of the things that seems to me to be missing is some kind of quick description of the overall "theory of cmake". I am a top-down kind of person, so I really dislike being left with nothing but "here, type this in" which is what a lot of the web stuff seems to be. A sketch of how it works conceptually would help me. (Of course, I need examples too.) Just sayin'. Best, - Jake - On 15-12-18 04:02 PM, DJ wrote: I have only very recently encountered the need to use cmake. It seems this need came all at once out of the blue. It appears to me that there is a general perception that good tutorial material is in short supply. I have followed various tutorials that are available online and find them less than stellar. I am mostly familiar with gnu toolchain stuff. I admit that I am biased here because my own work presents zero requirement for cross-platform builds. So far I find cmake documentation to be considerably inferior to gnu documentation, but that's just me. This all led me to consider purchasing the book Mastering CMake. However, reviews on Amazon are generally very critical of the book. It is indeed expensive. Should I bother to shell out for it, or do others here share this negative evaluation of it? I don't want to waste my money. Best, - Jake - -- Powered by www.kitware.com Please keep messages on-topic and check the CMake FAQ at: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ Kitware offers various services to support the CMake community. For more information on each offering, please visit: CMake Support: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/support.html CMake Consulting: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/consulting.html CMake Training Courses: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/training.html Visit other Kitware open-source projects at http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe: http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/cmake
Re: [CMake] Are the poor reviews of Mastering CMake Justified?
Jake, I've read the older edition. Yes, I also think it could be written better and most of the information is available online. Still, it provided me with authorative information, concentrated into a single book, (as opposed to be scattered over the internet). It really helped me to lay down the foundations of my CMake knowledge. Tamas On Friday, December 18, 2015, DJ wrote: > I have only very recently encountered the need to use cmake. It seems this > need came all at once out of the blue. > > It appears to me that there is a general perception that good tutorial > material is in short supply. I have followed various tutorials that are > available online and find them less than stellar. I am mostly familiar with > gnu toolchain stuff. I admit that I am biased here because my own work > presents zero requirement for cross-platform builds. So far I find cmake > documentation to be considerably inferior to gnu documentation, but that's > just me. > > This all led me to consider purchasing the book Mastering CMake. However, > reviews on Amazon are generally very critical of the book. It is indeed > expensive. Should I bother to shell out for it, or do others here share > this negative evaluation of it? I don't want to waste my money. > > Best, > > - Jake - > > > -- > > Powered by www.kitware.com > > Please keep messages on-topic and check the CMake FAQ at: > http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ > > Kitware offers various services to support the CMake community. For more > information on each offering, please visit: > > CMake Support: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/support.html > CMake Consulting: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/consulting.html > CMake Training Courses: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/training.html > > Visit other Kitware open-source projects at > http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html > > Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe: > http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/cmake > -- Powered by www.kitware.com Please keep messages on-topic and check the CMake FAQ at: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ Kitware offers various services to support the CMake community. For more information on each offering, please visit: CMake Support: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/support.html CMake Consulting: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/consulting.html CMake Training Courses: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/training.html Visit other Kitware open-source projects at http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe: http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/cmake
Re: [CMake] Are the poor reviews of Mastering CMake Justified?
Hi Jake, On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 5:02 AM, DJ wrote: > This all led me to consider purchasing the book Mastering CMake. However, > reviews on Amazon are generally very critical of the book. It is indeed > expensive. Should I bother to shell out for it, or do others here share this > negative evaluation of it? I don't want to waste my money. I've purchased the book (the older edition) and it is fine. I mean, I'm a bit old-school and do prefer a printed book. Online docs seem more of an excuse to easily swap between reading and a distraction (i.e. Facebook) -- but that's just me. Indeed, it is similar to the online manuals. And those will get updated with each subsequent version; a book will not (e-book or on paper). I had a hard time getting into CMake and the book isn't written like a tutorial. I mean, it explains the first few steps and then jumps to a reference book (I don't have it with me, but this is from memory). I guess there is value in having a CMake book that is entirely a tutorial or even one of "recipes" -- Mastering CMake (as far as I can remember) isn't that. For that, you'd probably have to use the Web... Ray PS: I don't regret buying the book. At the time, I was really stuck and overwhelmed by the online documentation. Having it printed made it a bit easier for me. Each person learns differently, but skimming over the Amazon comments, they seem accurate. Of course, buy the latest edition if you end up buying. -- Powered by www.kitware.com Please keep messages on-topic and check the CMake FAQ at: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ Kitware offers various services to support the CMake community. For more information on each offering, please visit: CMake Support: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/support.html CMake Consulting: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/consulting.html CMake Training Courses: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/training.html Visit other Kitware open-source projects at http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe: http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/cmake
Re: [CMake] Are the poor reviews of Mastering CMake Justified?
Hi DJ, I had the same feeling when I started out with CMake. Tutorials are generally of low quality, and the price of the book is steep. I asked a while back if there would be a digital version of it, that could come cheaper due to the lack of paper and distribution hassle, but Kitware said there is no intent on having a digital copy. CMake however is a fine piece of software (not the best, but it gets the job done with a tolerable amount of frustration), and once you have it mastered, you can get serious *hit done in a matter of minutes. Even without cross-platform, dependency finding is alone worth it, not to mention unit tests built in. As for learning, I would highly suggest reading CMake scripts of other projects, as there are some very nice scripts. SFML’s scripts are easy to read (though get complicated towards the end), and also some FindModule.cmake scripts (FindOpenCL.cmake that ships with CMake starting from version 3.0 is nice) are useful. After reading some scripts, cooking up some of your own isn’t hard. Cheers, Máté Feladó: DJ Elküldve: 2015. december 18., péntek 22:03 Címzett: cmake@cmake.org Tárgy: [CMake] Are the poor reviews of Mastering CMake Justified? I have only very recently encountered the need to use cmake. It seems this need came all at once out of the blue. It appears to me that there is a general perception that good tutorial material is in short supply. I have followed various tutorials that are available online and find them less than stellar. I am mostly familiar with gnu toolchain stuff. I admit that I am biased here because my own work presents zero requirement for cross-platform builds. So far I find cmake documentation to be considerably inferior to gnu documentation, but that's just me. This all led me to consider purchasing the book Mastering CMake. However, reviews on Amazon are generally very critical of the book. It is indeed expensive. Should I bother to shell out for it, or do others here share this negative evaluation of it? I don't want to waste my money. Best, - Jake - -- Powered by www.kitware.com Please keep messages on-topic and check the CMake FAQ at: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ Kitware offers various services to support the CMake community. For more information on each offering, please visit: CMake Support: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/support.html CMake Consulting: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/consulting.html CMake Training Courses: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/training.html Visit other Kitware open-source projects at http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe: http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/cmake -- Powered by www.kitware.com Please keep messages on-topic and check the CMake FAQ at: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ Kitware offers various services to support the CMake community. For more information on each offering, please visit: CMake Support: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/support.html CMake Consulting: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/consulting.html CMake Training Courses: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/training.html Visit other Kitware open-source projects at http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe: http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/cmake
[CMake] Are the poor reviews of Mastering CMake Justified?
I have only very recently encountered the need to use cmake. It seems this need came all at once out of the blue. It appears to me that there is a general perception that good tutorial material is in short supply. I have followed various tutorials that are available online and find them less than stellar. I am mostly familiar with gnu toolchain stuff. I admit that I am biased here because my own work presents zero requirement for cross-platform builds. So far I find cmake documentation to be considerably inferior to gnu documentation, but that's just me. This all led me to consider purchasing the book Mastering CMake. However, reviews on Amazon are generally very critical of the book. It is indeed expensive. Should I bother to shell out for it, or do others here share this negative evaluation of it? I don't want to waste my money. Best, - Jake - -- Powered by www.kitware.com Please keep messages on-topic and check the CMake FAQ at: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ Kitware offers various services to support the CMake community. For more information on each offering, please visit: CMake Support: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/support.html CMake Consulting: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/consulting.html CMake Training Courses: http://cmake.org/cmake/help/training.html Visit other Kitware open-source projects at http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe: http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/cmake