Re: [CMLHope] Depression
Hi Jeanie, welcome back. Yes Jeanie, GOD has given you these past nine years, as he has also given me the past twenty three years, but GOD helps those that help themselves. It is also you that helps you have these past nine years, and your going to help yourself have many more. Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year. You end with the word Blessings I end with those two numbers 18 We are blessed with life. 18's Marty On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Jeanie icandoall...@aol.com wrote: I am back from cruise. Largest ship on the seas: the allure . Had a great time but tired. Lots of walking. Lots of eating.A great vacation with family. Jan my 9 th year of fighting cml. glad that God has given me these years. Merry Christmas and happy new year to all. Blessings Jeanie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 20, 2012, at 7:23 AM, C.M. Houtz ho...@ptd.net wrote: *I've heard of the same thing happening with a friend, who almost died from drinking to much fluid. I guess we have to try to strike a happy medium and hope that it works. That's what I'm doingThanks...Millie* -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope
Re: [CMLHope] Depression
I am back from cruise. Largest ship on the seas: the allure . Had a great time but tired. Lots of walking. Lots of eating.A great vacation with family. Jan my 9 th year of fighting cml. glad that God has given me these years. Merry Christmas and happy new year to all. Blessings Jeanie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 20, 2012, at 7:23 AM, C.M. Houtz ho...@ptd.net wrote: I've heard of the same thing happening with a friend, who almost died from drinking to much fluid. I guess we have to try to strike a happy medium and hope that it works. That's what I'm doingThanks...Millie -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope
Re: [CMLHope] Depression
Grace and I are leaving on the 20th of Jan. out of San Juan for a 7 day cruise to the southern Caribbean. We love going on cruises. I tried to talk my brother and his wife to go with us but he doesn't like ships and he was in the Navy like me. greenie In a message dated 12/24/2012 7:48:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, icandoall...@aol.com writes: I am back from cruise. Largest ship on the seas: the allure . Had a great time but tired. Lots of walking. Lots of eating.A great vacation with family. Jan my 9 th year of fighting cml. glad that God has given me these years. Merry Christmas and happy new year to all. Blessings Jeanie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 20, 2012, at 7:23 AM, C.M. Houtz _houtz@ptd.net_ (mailto:ho...@ptd.net) wrote: I've heard of the same thing happening with a friend, who almost died from drinking to much fluid. I guess we have to try to strike a happy medium and hope that it works. That's what I'm doingThanks...Millie -- [CMLHope] A support group of _http://cmlhope.com_ (http://cmlhope.com/) - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to _CMLHope@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:CMLHope@googlegroups.com) To unsubscribe from this group, send email to _CMLHope-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) For more options, visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope_ (http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope) -- [CMLHope] A support group of _http://cmlhope.com_ (http://cmlhope.com/) - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope_ (http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope) -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope
Re: [CMLHope] Depression
I've heard of the same thing happening with a friend, who almost died from drinking to much fluid. I guess we have to try to strike a happy medium and hope that it works. That's what I'm doingThanks...Millie -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope
Re: [CMLHope] Depression
The Dr. at the hospital gave me the 8 glasses for 8 oz. and I was following it. I was diagnosed with Shograns Syndrome and Stage 3 Kidney Failure. The Kidney Specialst ask me to drink about 90 oz a day. Shograns Syndrome was developed because of blood transfusions for heart and my Gleevec. The kidney diease is from to much statins (I was on 80 mg daily for 19 years and Gleevec for 5 years. I do have to be very careful about balancing my fluid intake. Richard H.. On Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:17:48 AM UTC-6, patrick wrote: That's an excellent point, Richard! There is such a thing as water poisoning. I found a good short article about how much water to drink by the Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283 Unless you have a problem with one or more of the ingredients like sodium or potassium I'd say throw in a Gatorade if you get above the 8 glasses a day level. And of course - talk to your doctor! And everyone should know the signs of dehydration - http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dehydration/DS00561/DSECTION=symptoms . It can happen even in the hospital. Maybe I can detail what we went through in the hospital at a later point in time. Patrick --- On *Wed, 12/19/12, Richard H richard...@comcast.net javascript:*wrote: From: Richard H richard...@comcast.net javascript: Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Depression To: cml...@googlegroups.com javascript: Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 11:14 PM Thanks Patrick, that is great info. I would like to add a caution. 18 months ago I was in the hospital for 2 days replacing my soidum because of drinking too much fluid. Since I was't taking Gleevec any more and still on water pills I was having the reverse effect of over hydrating. All of my doctors kept telling me to drink more water but none told me that I needed reduce the amount of fluids by about 50%. Good luck, and happy hydration. Richard H. On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 2:50:03 PM UTC-6, millie wrote: *Thanks for the information, Patrick. I feel better about increasing my amount of water. I do drink quite a bit already, but will try to do better. I also will probably have to increase my water pill to 2 a day, so I'll give that a try too. The doctors should tell you all of this, and then you wouldn't have to guess. You have a wonderful Holiday Season. Millie* -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to cml...@googlegroups.com javascript: To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-u...@googlegroups.com javascript: For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope
[CMLHope] Depression
When someone has CML or any other type of cancer, then they also have a certain amount of depression as well. Some more then others but it is just an emotion that we as humans all share when we are ill. It doesn't necessarily have to be from the Gleevec or any other type of TKI's, but the fact that we have cancer. I don't take any TKI's because I had a bone marrow transplant about 23 years ago this coming May. In all of this time I have learned there are several kinds of emotions that we go through when we have cancer. The first is disbelief, then we go through, let me get another opinion because this can't be happening to me. Most, but not all go through, why is GOD punising me. Then some sort of acceptance, but hope that they will get up the next morning and find that it was all a big mistake. Then finally once they realize that they in fact do have cancer, they go into a depression. Now this may not necessarily happen in this order, but for the most part, all or most of these emotions are just our way of trying to deal with this. Your mind is a powerful tool and the way you use it can make a big difference. I always say that your mind can try to help your body. I'm not saying that having a good outlook on life will be able to cure you of this or any other disease but your mind can work in ways that can help you. If you are depressed most of the time your body will react as if your disease is just eating away at you. If your attitude is such that you feel good about yourself in spite of what you may be going through then you will become less depressed, and maybe not even feeling any depression at all. Believe me I know all about this, When I had my bone marrow transplant I had to live in a six by nine plastic bubble in a hospital for just about seven months. However, I learned to control my depression and you can't imagin how much my mind helped my body heal in all of that time. Depression can really hurt you if you let it, while having less can actually help you. It has to deal with some hormones that are produced in your brain. One being Endorphine. If you know anything about marathon races when the runners are finished with their run they actually feel a natural high. This is because of the production of Endorphines in their brain. I knew the president of a group in New York City called the Road Runners. His name was Fred Lebow and he developed brain cancer. It was a very agressive cancer with a longevity of only a few months at best. Every time Fred received a radiation treatment he would go up to the roof of the hospital and run around it. Fred lived for about seven years, and when he died they found that all of his brain tumors were not even there anymore. They said that he died of all the radiation treatments. It is a sad story but it did show how someones attitude, and in Fred's case how he was able to sustain himself for so long. Everyone may be different but cancer doesn't care who you are, so in that sense we are all the same. I always end any of my posts with two numbers 18. I'm sure that you have already seen me do this. These two numbers symbolize life. 18's Marty -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope
Re: [CMLHope] Depression
Hi Marty, I just read your message and am smiling as you are so right. I have had times of depression, especially lately, but manage to laugh, smile, and get on with things. Right now I'm under home care from the local hospital as something happened to my left leg and I was in such pain and unable to move my leg. My son called the ambulance, and to make a long story short, I'm homebound right now. The leg seems to be better, but they still can't tell me what caused it to happen. I tend to believe it was a pinched nerve. That's as good as any of their thoughts. I missed all of my Christmas Parties with friends, and that was depressing, but I got over it. I saw my Onc. yesterday and was allowed to go to his office for that. My feet are so swollen that I could barely get a sneaker on to go. I had my husband drive me, but on the way, saw he was having difficulty seeing. It was late afternoon and getting dark. He can't see to drive at night, so I told him that I'd drive home, and, even with these feet was able to do that for him. I do try to look at all of the good things in my life, and that isn't always easy, but..some how I manage to do that. The oncologist says that the increase in my Prednisone probably caused the swelling and I should take more water pills. My nurse tells me that I'm slightly dehydrated and need to drink more, so it's a laughable situation and at the moment don't know whether to increase the water pills or not. I guess this is why they call it the practice of medicine as they're all practicing.including me!! You have such a wonderful attitude, and it is contagious. I'm busy working on my quilts and doing what I can to keep my brain busy. Everything else will take care of itself...with a little help. You take care, my friend. Life is full of challenges, and this is just another that I have to win. 18's to you Millie -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHoperaindeer.gif
Re: [CMLHope] Depression
Hey Millie,I know it sounds crazy but yes you have to drink more water when you
take water pills. It's a question of the wet stuff being where it needs to be
while trying to get rid of it where we don't want it.And yes Prednisone can
certainly cause fluid retention. That's probably the biggest reason not to use
it (vs. reasons to use it!)I know it's not an option for many people for a lot
of reasons but sweating really made the difference for me. (Actually sweating
vs. sweating the whole ordeal.) If that's sort of an option you don't have to
get overheated to make it work. In fact as you know that's why we sweat - to
keep cool. So just sitting in a warm enough environment to make you need a
shower while using a fan to keep cool might be an idea.My thought it that there
are only four ways I can think of to shed fluid. Your kidneys are doing all
they can, helped along by the water pills. Only supermodels are dumb enough to
loose fluid out of the
wrong end on purpose. And although it seems like it might be sufficient,
hopefully no one reading this sheds enough tears to dry their bodies out. So I
decided to try gold old-fashioned, pre-air-conditioned perspiration. I really
was opposed to the idea and very used to staying cool all the time but once I
got started I was surprised how good it felt. Almost like we were meant to
operate that way. My apologies to Mr. Carrier.I have another half-baked theory
that our national explosion of obesity is tied to A/C. I digress.Patrick
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Hi Marty, I
just read your message and am smiling as you are so right. I have had
times of depression, especially lately, but manage to laugh, smile, and get on
with things. Right now I'm under home care from the local hospital as
something happened to my left leg and I was in such pain and unable to move my
leg. My son called the ambulance, and to make a long story short, I'm
homebound right now. The leg seems to be better, but they still can't tell
me what caused it to happen. I tend to believe it was a pinched
nerve. That's as good as any of their thoughts. I missed all of my
Christmas Parties with friends, and that was depressing, but I got over
it. I saw my Onc. yesterday and was allowed to go to his office for
that. My feet are so swollen that I could barely get a sneaker on to
go. I had my husband drive me, but on the way, saw he was having
difficulty seeing. It was late afternoon and getting dark. He can't
see to drive at night, so I told him that I'd drive home, and, even with these
feet was able to do that for him.
I do try to look
at all of the good things in my life, and that isn't always easy, but..some
how I manage to do that. The oncologist says that the increase in my
Prednisone probably caused the swelling and I should take more water
pills. My nurse tells me that I'm slightly dehydrated and need to drink
more, so it's a laughable situation and at the moment don't know whether to
increase the water pills or not. I guess this is why they call it the
practice of medicine as they're all practicing.including
me!!
You have such a
wonderful attitude, and it is contagious. I'm busy working on my quilts
and doing what I can to keep my brain busy. Everything else will take care
of itself...with a little help. You take care, my friend. Life
is full of challenges, and this is just another that I have to
win.
18's to
you
Millie
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Re: [CMLHope] Depression
Thanks for the information, Patrick. I feel better about increasing my amount of water. I do drink quite a bit already, but will try to do better. I also will probably have to increase my water pill to 2 a day, so I'll give that a try too. The doctors should tell you all of this, and then you wouldn't have to guess. You have a wonderful Holiday Season. Millie -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope
Re: [CMLHope] Depression
Thanks Patrick, that is great info. I would like to add a caution. 18 months ago I was in the hospital for 2 days replacing my soidum because of drinking too much fluid. Since I was't taking Gleevec any more and still on water pills I was having the reverse effect of over hydrating. All of my doctors kept telling me to drink more water but none told me that I needed reduce the amount of fluids by about 50%. Good luck, and happy hydration. Richard H. On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 2:50:03 PM UTC-6, millie wrote: *Thanks for the information, Patrick. I feel better about increasing my amount of water. I do drink quite a bit already, but will try to do better. I also will probably have to increase my water pill to 2 a day, so I'll give that a try too. The doctors should tell you all of this, and then you wouldn't have to guess. You have a wonderful Holiday Season. Millie* -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmlhope-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope
[CMLHope] depression
Thank you Jeanie for your advice. Actually, I am going into my second good week and feel more positive and hopeful. I have been writing poetry to get through the rough spots and that seems to help. I do need to get back on the fish oil. I bought flowers to plant yesterday and my husband rototilled the garden so I can get started on that (garden is imperative with the rising cost of gas and subsequent cost of food). I also have a rock garden with a waterfall that I need to get up and running - that area of the yard provides me with a lot of peace and serenity. I put that in when they thought my granddaughter had melanoma - I was just sick with worry and putting that garden in made a huge difference. It is now my memory garden and family/ friends have given me special rocks and seashells to add to it - as well as plants from their yards. My religious belief is that all religions are right. Hence, I have a wide range of belief systems and do not subscribe to any one specific religion. I have studied many and found truth in every one and also things I do not agree with - so, I pick out what feels right to me and ignore the things that don't feel right. To each his own. I do read Daily Word and feel that positive affirmations are important. Too bad those affirmations do little for me when I'm in the pit. But, I am trending upwards! I hope to maintain that trend by doing the things I love. Thank you so much for your blessings, prayers and love, Kelly --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com - You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMLHope group. To post to this group, send email to CMLHope@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
