Re: Stus-List Hot water heater

[colt...@verizon.net]

Low antifeeeze? 


Bill

-Original message-
From: Rich Knowles 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Sent: Fri, Aug 24, 2012 02:35:23 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Stus-List Hot water heater

Thermostat? 

Rich 
(mobile)


On 2012-08-23, at 22:57, "Greg Sutherland "   
wrote:


We are anchored off of Masons island in Mahone Bay and just finished a nice  
bbq supper. Have been running the diesel for a good 60 minutes to charge the  
batteries and electronics.  when we turned the tap to clean the dishes the  
water is lukewarm. It typically takes 10 to 15 and the water will scald you.  
Any ideas what the issue may be?


Thanks group 

Greg 
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Re: Stus-List Hot water heater

[Rich Knowles]

Thermostat? 

Rich 
(mobile)

On 2012-08-23, at 22:57, "Greg Sutherland "  wrote:

We are anchored off of Masons island in Mahone Bay and just finished a nice bbq 
supper. Have been running the diesel for a good 60 minutes to charge the 
batteries and electronics.  when we turned the tap to clean the dishes the 
water is lukewarm. It typically takes 10 to 15 and the water will scald you. 
Any ideas what the issue may be?

Thanks group 

Greg 
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Stus-List Hot water heater

[Greg Sutherland]

We are anchored off of Masons island in Mahone Bay and just finished a nice bbq 
supper. Have been running the diesel for a good 60 minutes to charge the 
batteries and electronics.  when we turned the tap to clean the dishes the 
water is lukewarm. It typically takes 10 to 15 and the water will scald you. 
Any ideas what the issue may be?

Thanks group 

Greg 
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Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Okay,I had to chime in as I've decided on insurance.  I got quote from BoatUS 
of $728 and a quote from Heritage Marine Insurance for $387. Heritage 
specializes in Old Yacht, namely old wooden yachts it seems. The coverage is 
better too. Boat US - Vessel and Equipment $19,400 - Liability $300,000 - 
personal effects $0 - Unscheduled Electronic Eqip. $0 - deductible $660Heitage 
- Boat And Engine $20,000- Liability $500,000 - personal effects $10,000 - 
Unscheduled Electronic Eqip.  $10,000 - deductible $750 It seems like a much 
better deal.  Does anyone here use Heritage? Danny

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From: Oban Lambie 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:47:49 -0600


Another perspective on boat insurance: I have a 29 mk1 which I purchased this 
spring. � It's a $10k boat in excellent condition and also in Long 
Island sound. �BoatUS quoted me $550 or so per year for coverage. I use 
Geico for my auto insurance and asked them for a quote as well. �They 
transferred me to another Berkshire Hathaway subsidiary called Seaworthy 
insurance that Geico is in cahoots with in some way. Seaworthy's quote was for 
$158 per year.� I reviewed both policies side by side, and though I'm 
not an attorney, they appeared identical. Same deductible, same coverages, same 
exclusions, same survey requirements. � I asked Seaworthy why they were 
so much less expensive and they said it was largely to do with my years of 
being with Geico and my never having made a claim - in addition to my 10+ years 
of boat ownership.� At any rate, I signed up with Seaworthy and my 
dealings to date have been totally pleasant. Their agents clearly know boats 
and dealing with the post-condition and value survey issues was very reasonable 
and pleasant.� Keep in mind that I drive like an old man and that I 
haven't broken a boat badly since I was in college, so I can't speak for 
how�Seaworthy deals with claims. But I'm damn happy to be paying so 
little for boat insurance! �- Oban Lambie CirceC&C 29 MK1East Setauket, 
New York
On Aug 23, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

 Congrats! There was a recent thread on whether BoatUS was worth the extra 
money they charge. �If you are looking for inexpensive insurance start 
with your auto/home insurer, as there will be multi policy discounts. 
�Remember, most carriers will run a credit check and it will show as an 
inquiry on your credit report.

Joel
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:45 PM, William Hall  wrote:
Western Long Island Sound, moving from Larchmont to Stamford.
Thanks!

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
> Boat US insurance, or ACE. There are several others who know boats, I am
> sure others will chime in with their suggestions. �This Agent obviously
> doesn't know much about sailboats.
>
> Did this boat used to reside in Bay City? �Where are you?
>
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> On Behalf Of William Hall
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
>
> Hi List,
> I just bought a C&C 37.
> Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've
> seen the cosmetic repair section here. �Keel bolts look beautiful.
> The inspector told me verbally that it's perfectly fine.
> But in his written survey, he added this CYA material:
> "I believe the keel to stub crack is fairing compound coming loose and
> the normal separation due to expansion"
> with recommendations:
> "further investigate and repair as necessary"
>
> The insurance guy wanted the survey and has said coverage is
> contingent on " further testing (ultrasonic) to determine whether or
> not that crack is compromising the structural stability of the vessel.
> "
>
> Has anyone any idea how ultrasonic testing could relate at all to this?
> Can anyone point me to material that might convince the insurance guy
> that there are less expensive means that will tell us more?
>
> Or maybe someone can just point me to a better boat insurance agent?
>
> Many thanks!
> Bill
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Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

[Oban Lambie]

Another perspective on boat insurance: I have a 29 mk1 which I purchased
this spring.   It's a $10k boat in excellent condition and also in Long
Island sound.  BoatUS quoted me $550 or so per year for coverage. I use
Geico for my auto insurance and asked them for a quote as well.  They
transferred me to another Berkshire Hathaway subsidiary called Seaworthy
insurance that Geico is in cahoots with in some way. Seaworthy's quote was
for $158 per year.

I reviewed both policies side by side, and though I'm not an attorney, they
appeared identical. Same deductible, same coverages, same exclusions, same
survey requirements.

I asked Seaworthy why they were so much less expensive and they said it was
largely to do with my years of being with Geico and my never having made a
claim - in addition to my 10+ years of boat ownership.

At any rate, I signed up with Seaworthy and my dealings to date have been
totally pleasant. Their agents clearly know boats and dealing with the
post-condition and value survey issues was very reasonable and pleasant.

Keep in mind that I drive like an old man and that I haven't broken a boat
badly since I was in college, so I can't speak for how Seaworthy deals with
claims. But I'm damn happy to be paying so little for boat insurance!

 - Oban Lambie

Circe
C&C 29 MK1
East Setauket, New York

On Aug 23, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

Congrats!

There was a recent thread on whether BoatUS was worth the extra money they
charge.  If you are looking for inexpensive insurance start with your
auto/home insurer, as there will be multi policy discounts.  Remember, most
carriers will run a credit check and it will show as an inquiry on your
credit report.

Joel
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:45 PM, William Hall  wrote:

> Western Long Island Sound, moving from Larchmont to Stamford.
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
> > Boat US insurance, or ACE. There are several others who know boats, I am
> > sure others will chime in with their suggestions.  This Agent obviously
> > doesn't know much about sailboats.
> >
> > Did this boat used to reside in Bay City?  Where are you?
> >
> > Bill Coleman
> > C&C 39
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:
> cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> > On Behalf Of William Hall
> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
> >
> > Hi List,
> > I just bought a C&C 37.
> > Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've
> > seen the cosmetic repair section here.  Keel bolts look beautiful.
> > The inspector told me verbally that it's perfectly fine.
> > But in his written survey, he added this CYA material:
> > "I believe the keel to stub crack is fairing compound coming loose and
> > the normal separation due to expansion"
> > with recommendations:
> > "further investigate and repair as necessary"
> >
> > The insurance guy wanted the survey and has said coverage is
> > contingent on " further testing (ultrasonic) to determine whether or
> > not that crack is compromising the structural stability of the vessel.
> > "
> >
> > Has anyone any idea how ultrasonic testing could relate at all to this?
> > Can anyone point me to material that might convince the insurance guy
> > that there are less expensive means that will tell us more?
> >
> > Or maybe someone can just point me to a better boat insurance agent?
> >
> > Many thanks!
> > Bill
> >
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Re: Stus-List Performance

[Colin Kilgour]

Nice!


On 8/23/12, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> Congrats to Jake!  My copy of Spinsheet is on the boat.  Guess I need to go
> back and look at the pictures too!
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Gary Nylander
> wrote:
>
>> Once again, our contributor has performed on the course.  Jake Brodersen
>> and crew on Midnight Mistress has taken the Non Spinnaker trophy at the
>> Screwpile Regatta, held annually at Solomons, at the mouth of the
>> Patapsco
>> River on the Chesapeake, for the umpteenth time. He blitzed the field in
>> the hot weather on his C&C 35III, for a convincing victory.
>> Congratulations. And, he got his picture (showing the boat name) in
>> Spinsheet Magazine.
>>
>> Gary Nylander (not there this year)
>>
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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[Della Barba, Joe]

The 35 MK I tiller fits more or less like the boat was designed for tiller 
steering. It could stand to be about 18 inches longer and have a hinge.
Steering effort is quite high because you have to spin the wheel along with 
turning the rudder. I really don’t know how it would be with the steering 
cables off.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Chuck S
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

Had to cut two inches off our emergency tiller so it would clear the pedestal 
spindle.  I expect it will need a rope tied to the handle tip to gain enough 
leverage to control it, so two inches isn't a big change.  I try to keep my 
steering cable and pulleys well lubed so I never need it.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ

From: "Eric Frank" mailto:efran...@mac.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:36:44 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

This thread reminds me that I need some instruction in the use of the ET. It 
fits fine over the rudder post but then the Edson pedestal and wheel block its 
movement so I can only turn the tiller about 30 degrees.  No way would it be 
possible to come about.  If I had to use it, I would take off the wheel so I 
could turn it a bit more, but still it would hit the pedestal.  What am I doing 
wrong?

Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA


> In a  message dated 8/23/2012 12:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> _Joe.Della.Barba@ssa.gov_ 
> (mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov)   writes:
>
>
> Before  I had an autopilot I used to use my emergency tiller whenever it
> rained  because I could sit up under the dodger. It was fairly high effort
> because  of having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don?t recall
> it  being hard enough to need any kind ?rigging?. I did wish the tiller was
> a  foot longer and had a hinge.
>
> Joe  Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I
>
>


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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[Chuck S]

Had to cut two inches off our emergency tiller so it would clear the pedestal 
spindle. I expect it will need a rope tied to the handle tip to gain enough 
leverage to control it, so two inches isn't a big change. I try to keep my 
steering cable and pulleys well lubed so I never need it. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "Eric Frank"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:36:44 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System 

This thread reminds me that I need some instruction in the use of the ET. It 
fits fine over the rudder post but then the Edson pedestal and wheel block its 
movement so I can only turn the tiller about 30 degrees. No way would it be 
possible to come about. If I had to use it, I would take off the wheel so I 
could turn it a bit more, but still it would hit the pedestal. What am I doing 
wrong? 

Eric Frank 
Cat's Paw 
C&C 35 Mk II 
Mattapoisett, MA 


> In a message dated 8/23/2012 12:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> _Joe.Della.Barba@ssa.gov_ (mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov) writes: 
> 
> 
> Before I had an autopilot I used to use my emergency tiller whenever it 
> rained because I could sit up under the dodger. It was fairly high effort 
> because of having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don?t recall 
> it being hard enough to need any kind ?rigging?. I did wish the tiller was 
> a foot longer and had a hinge. 
> 
> Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I 
> 
> 


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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[HONEYSAIL]

The rudder post on the 39 is in front of the wheel and has amazingly easy  
access. No need top remove anything, just make sure that the ET tiller is 
long  enough..
 
 
In a message dated 8/23/2012 4:36:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
efran...@mac.com writes:

This  thread reminds me that I need some instruction in the use of the ET. 
It fits  fine over the rudder post but then the Edson pedestal and wheel 
block its  movement so I can only turn the tiller about 30 degrees.  No way 
would it  be possible to come about.  If I had to use it, I would take off the  
wheel so I could turn it a bit more, but still it would hit the  pedestal.  
What am I doing wrong?

Eric Frank
Cat's  Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA


> In a  message  dated 8/23/2012 12:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>  _Joe.Della.Barba@ssa.gov_ (mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov)writes:
> 
> 
> Before  I had an autopilot I used to  use my emergency tiller whenever it 
> rained  because I could sit  up under the dodger. It was fairly high 
effort 
> because  of  having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don?t 
recall 
>  it  being hard enough to need any kind ?rigging?. I did wish the tiller  
was 
> a  foot longer and had a hinge. 
> 
> Joe   Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I
> 
>  


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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[Eric Frank]

This thread reminds me that I need some instruction in the use of the ET. It 
fits fine over the rudder post but then the Edson pedestal and wheel block its 
movement so I can only turn the tiller about 30 degrees.  No way would it be 
possible to come about.  If I had to use it, I would take off the wheel so I 
could turn it a bit more, but still it would hit the pedestal.  What am I doing 
wrong?

Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA


> In a  message dated 8/23/2012 12:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> _Joe.Della.Barba@ssa.gov_ (mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov)   writes:
> 
> 
> Before  I had an autopilot I used to use my emergency tiller whenever it 
> rained  because I could sit up under the dodger. It was fairly high effort 
> because  of having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don?t 
> recall 
> it  being hard enough to need any kind ?rigging?. I did wish the tiller was 
> a  foot longer and had a hinge. 
> 
> Joe  Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I
> 
> 


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Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

[Alan Paul]

I've had my C&C 37 for over 10 years and it has always developed a thin crack 
between haul-outs (every 3 to 4 years here in Southern California).  Last 
winter I had it hauled for bottom paint and the crack was a bit bigger, so I 
had the yard do just what Alan suggested.  They also replaced all of the 
washers on the bolts with thicker SS plates.  I suspect it will be good for 
another good length of time.  I do sail the boat a lot and have it in the water 
year round.  Took it most of they way down the Mexican Pacific coast and into 
the Sea of Cortez with no problem.

I also have Boat U.S. insurance.   Surveyors should know that the smile is a 
common thing on most fin keel boats and not usually a major issue.

You will love the boat as I do mine.  Fast and comfortable.

Alan Paul
Allegra. C&C 37. (1985)
Channel Islands Harbor, CA

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On Aug 23, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Alan Bergen  wrote:

> I recommend BoatUS.  I've had them for years, and they handle claims the way 
> you want them to be handled.  Some people say their rates are higher than 
> other carriers, but I found them to be lower.  Probably depends on where 
> you're sailing.  I wouldn't recommend an auto or home insurance company.  You 
> want a company which knows about boats, and will cover things that auto and 
> home carriers might not cover (such as fuel spills).  Get the highest 
> deductible you can afford, and don't skimp on liability coverage.  The 
> difference in premium between say $300,000 and $500,000 is insignificant.
> 
> If you decide to repair the smile, drop the keel, grind the top of the keel 
> and the bottom of the stub, and bond the keel back on using a thickened 
> epoxy.  Then cover the smile with a band of fiberglass and epoxy.  I had this 
> done more than five years ago, and the smile never came back.  Some people 
> might recommend using a bedding compound or even 5200 instead of epoxy, but 
> the owner of the yard I use said not to do that.  You want a bond that won't 
> flex.
> 
> Alan Bergen
> C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
> 
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Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

[Alan Bergen]

I recommend BoatUS. I've had them for years, and they handle claims the way you 
want them to be handled. Some people say their rates are higher than other 
carriers, but I found them to be lower. Probably depends on where you're 
sailing. I wouldn't recommend an auto or home insurance company. You want a 
company which knows about boats, and will cover things that auto and home 
carriers might not cover (such as fuel spills). Get the highest deductible you 
can afford, and don't skimp on liability coverage. The difference in premium 
between say $300,000 and $500,000 is insignificant. 

If you decide to repair the smile, drop the keel, grind the top of the keel and 
the bottom of the stub, and bond the keel back on using a thickened epoxy. Then 
cover the smile with a band of fiberglass and epoxy. I had this done more than 
five years ago, and the smile never came back. Some people might recommend 
using a bedding compound or even 5200 instead of epoxy, but the owner of the 
yard I use said not to do that. You want a bond that won't flex. 


Alan Bergen 
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

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Hi List,
I just bought a C&C 37.
Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've
seen the cosmetic repair section here.  Keel bolts look beautiful.
The inspector told me verbally that it's perfectly fine.
But in his written survey, he added this CYA material:
"I believe the keel to stub crack is fairing compound coming loose and
the normal separation due to expansion"
with recommendations:
"further investigate and repair as necessary"

The insurance guy wanted the survey and has said coverage is
contingent on " further testing (ultrasonic) to determine whether or
not that crack is compromising the structural stability of the vessel.
"

Has anyone any idea how ultrasonic testing could relate at all to this?
Can anyone point me to material that might convince the insurance guy
that there are less expensive means that will tell us more?

Or maybe someone can just point me to a better boat insurance agent?

Many thanks!
Bill


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Re: Stus-List Transmission or prop issue

[Ted Drossos]

I had the identical problem a few weeks ago. I would have bet the ranch that it 
was one of the folding prop blades not opening. (Martec 2 blade folder) It only 
happened in forward gear. I purchased a new Flexofold geared folding 2 blade 
prop but the problem was still there. As it turned out, it was the clutch cones 
in the transmission. I had Mack Boring do the rebuild. It took them two weeks 
to do a standard rebuild which also included new bearings and seals. Price of 
rebuild was $1100 and my labor. I suggest that if you have the transmission 
out, you should also change the damper plate. It's a pretty easy job if you 
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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[HONEYSAIL]

Bill
 
No, we changed out in 2005 to the new elliptical rudder. My boat was under  
warranty when we purchased her in Nov of 1975 and C&C sent me a "new  
style" deeper rudder to replace the original in June of 1976, I had only to  
return the boat's original unit at my expense. The "new style" rudder worked a  
hell of lot better than the original barn door but no where near the  
performance of this last rudder.
 
The boat is still a b*&*h to sail with the short emergency tiller  
installed..
 
 
Brgds
 
Jack
 
 
In a message dated 8/23/2012 3:57:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
colt...@verizon.net writes:

 
Jack,  you still have that original barn door rudder don’t you?
 
Bill  Coleman 
C&C  39 
 
 
From:  cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] 
On  Behalf Of honeys...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012  12:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List  Edson Steering System

 
My  boat is fair bit larger than the 35 and the ET is only 40" long, it can 
 be hand steered under power, but a major effort under sail. I have steered 
a  35 I with the ET as yes. it is easier even with the wheel still  
attached.
 

 
 
In a  message dated 8/23/2012 12:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov writes:

 
Before  I had an autopilot I used to use my emergency tiller whenever it 
rained  because I could sit up under the dodger. It was fairly high effort 
because  of having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don’t recall 
it  being hard enough to need any kind “rigging”. I did wish the tiller was 
a  foot longer and had a hinge. 
 
Joe  Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I
 
 
 
 
From:  "_HONEYSAIL@aol.com_ (mailto:honeys...@aol.com) " 
<_HONEYSAIL@aol.com_ (mailto:honeys...@aol.com) >
To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com)   
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: Re:  Stus-List Edson Steering System
 
 
 
I  have Honey's steering system inspected, lubricated and adjusted as 
necessary  every spring without fail. You only have to drop a sheave or break a 
cable  once and have to use the emergency tiller just once on a 39 to remind  
you that the steering system maintenance should be at the top of your 
annual  list of necessary items to do at least once a year. Steering the boat 
by  
hand with a 48" long stainless tube was almost impossible and took a  great 
deal of rigging to make it work. I have since modified the tiller to  allow 
me to use either the primary winches if under motor and a set of  
handybillys if under sail. Both are a PITA but  work.
 

 
Also,  for laughs try sailing your boat with the emergency tiller just to 
make sure  that 1) you can do & ) can you do it sea..
 

 
Jack  Fitzgerald
 
C&C  39 TM
 
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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[Joel Aronson]

Now that's a reason to reconsider a wheel pilot!

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:03 PM, David Risch  wrote:

> I have...at sea...in a gale.
>
> We immediately switched to under-deck autopilot for the next 10 hours.
>  Sailed into St George with tiller with reduced wind and seas.   Wasn't
> that bad as long as the boat was balanced.
> Docking under power on the other hand was a b*tch.  Used my hips to push
> the thing around.  Stern to was another fiasco as well.
>
> Everyone should trial run their set-up.
> 1981 40-2
>   David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 cell
>
> -Original Message-
> From: honeys...@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:48:28
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System
>
>
> My boat is fair bit larger than the 35 and the ET is only 40" long, it can
> be hand steered under power, but a major effort under sail. I have steered
> a 35 I with the ET as yes. it is easier even with the wheel still attached.
>
>
> In a message dated 8/23/2012 12:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov writes:
>
> Before I had an autopilot I used to use my emergency tiller whenever it
> rained because I could sit up under the dodger. It was fairly high effort
> because of having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don't
> recall it being hard enough to need any kind "rigging". I did wish the
> tiller was a foot longer and had a hinge.
>
>
> Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "honeys...@aol.com  " 
>  honeys...@aol.com> >
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System
>
>
>
>
> I have Honey's steering system inspected, lubricated and adjusted as
> necessary every spring without fail. You only have to drop a sheave or
> break a cable once and have to use the emergency tiller just once on a 39
> to remind you that the steering system maintenance should be at the top of
> your annual list of necessary items to do at least once a year. Steering
> the boat by hand with a 48" long stainless tube was almost impossible and
> took a great deal of rigging to make it work. I have since modified the
> tiller to allow me to use either the primary winches if under motor and a
> set of handybillys if under sail. Both are a PITA but work.
>
>
>
> Also, for laughs try sailing your boat with the emergency tiller just to
> make sure that 1) you can do & ) can you do it sea..
>
>
>
> Jack Fitzgerald
>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[David Risch]

I have...at sea...in a gale.  

We immediately switched to under-deck autopilot for the next 10 hours.  Sailed 
into St George with tiller with reduced wind and seas.   Wasn't that bad as 
long as the boat was balanced.  
Docking under power on the other hand was a b*tch.  Used my hips to push the 
thing around.  Stern to was another fiasco as well.  

Everyone should trial run their set-up.  
1981 40-2
  David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 cell

-Original Message-
From: honeys...@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:48:28 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System


My boat is fair bit larger than the 35 and the ET is only 40" long, it can be 
hand steered under power, but a major effort under sail. I have steered a 35 I 
with the ET as yes. it is easier even with the wheel still attached. 
  
 
In a message dated 8/23/2012 12:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov writes: 
 
Before I had an autopilot I used to use my emergency tiller whenever it rained 
because I could sit up under the dodger. It was fairly high effort because of 
having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don't recall it being 
hard enough to need any kind "rigging". I did wish the tiller was a foot longer 
and had a hinge. 
  
 
Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I 
  
 
 
 
 
  
From: "honeys...@aol.com  " mailto:honeys...@aol.com> >
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System 
  
 
 
 
I have Honey's steering system inspected, lubricated and adjusted as necessary 
every spring without fail. You only have to drop a sheave or break a cable 
once and have to use the emergency tiller just once on a 39 to remind you that 
the steering system maintenance should be at the top of your annual list of 
necessary items to do at least once a year. Steering the boat by hand with a 
48" long stainless tube was almost impossible and took a great deal of rigging 
to make it work. I have since modified the tiller to allow me to use either the 
primary winches if under motor and a set of handybillys if under sail. Both are 
a PITA but work. 
 
  
 
Also, for laughs try sailing your boat with the emergency tiller just to make 
sure that 1) you can do & ) can you do it sea.. 
 
  
 
Jack Fitzgerald 
 
C&C 39 TM 
 
HONEY - US12788 
 
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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[Bill Coleman]

Jack, you still have that original barn door rudder don’t you?  

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 animated_favicon1

 

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of honeys...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

 

My boat is fair bit larger than the 35 and the ET is only 40" long, it can be 
hand steered under power, but a major effort under sail. I have steered a 35 I 
with the ET as yes. it is easier even with the wheel still attached.

 

In a message dated 8/23/2012 12:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov writes:

Before I had an autopilot I used to use my emergency tiller whenever it rained 
because I could sit up under the dodger. It was fairly high effort because of 
having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don’t recall it being 
hard enough to need any kind “rigging”. I did wish the tiller was a foot longer 
and had a hinge.

 

Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I

 

 

From: "honeys...@aol.com" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

 

I have Honey's steering system inspected, lubricated and adjusted as necessary 
every spring without fail. You only have to drop a sheave or break a cable once 
and have to use the emergency tiller just once on a 39 to remind you that the 
steering system maintenance should be at the top of your annual list of 
necessary items to do at least once a year. Steering the boat by hand with a 
48" long stainless tube was almost impossible and took a great deal of rigging 
to make it work. I have since modified the tiller to allow me to use either the 
primary winches if under motor and a set of handybillys if under sail. Both are 
a PITA but work.

 

Also, for laughs try sailing your boat with the emergency tiller just to make 
sure that 1) you can do & ) can you do it sea..

 

Jack Fitzgerald

C&C 39 TM

HONEY - US12788

 

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Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

[Bill Coleman]

Mmm,  I bought a pole and bunch of sails from a Lawyer who had a C&C 37 in
LI about 10 years ago. Can't remember either of their names. A friend of
mine had one in Erie, then moved to Bay City.
It is a great boat, you will like it.

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 


-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of William Hall
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

Western Long Island Sound, moving from Larchmont to Stamford.
Thanks!

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
> Boat US insurance, or ACE. There are several others who know boats, I am
> sure others will chime in with their suggestions.  This Agent obviously
> doesn't know much about sailboats.
>
> Did this boat used to reside in Bay City?  Where are you?
>
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> On Behalf Of William Hall
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
>
> Hi List,
> I just bought a C&C 37.
> Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've
> seen the cosmetic repair section here.  Keel bolts look beautiful.
> The inspector told me verbally that it's perfectly fine.
> But in his written survey, he added this CYA material:
> "I believe the keel to stub crack is fairing compound coming loose and
> the normal separation due to expansion"
> with recommendations:
> "further investigate and repair as necessary"
>
> The insurance guy wanted the survey and has said coverage is
> contingent on " further testing (ultrasonic) to determine whether or
> not that crack is compromising the structural stability of the vessel.
> "
>
> Has anyone any idea how ultrasonic testing could relate at all to this?
> Can anyone point me to material that might convince the insurance guy
> that there are less expensive means that will tell us more?
>
> Or maybe someone can just point me to a better boat insurance agent?
>
> Many thanks!
> Bill
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Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

[Joel Aronson]

Congrats!

There was a recent thread on whether BoatUS was worth the extra money they
charge.  If you are looking for inexpensive insurance start with your
auto/home insurer, as there will be multi policy discounts.  Remember, most
carriers will run a credit check and it will show as an inquiry on your
credit report.

Joel
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:45 PM, William Hall  wrote:

> Western Long Island Sound, moving from Larchmont to Stamford.
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
> > Boat US insurance, or ACE. There are several others who know boats, I am
> > sure others will chime in with their suggestions.  This Agent obviously
> > doesn't know much about sailboats.
> >
> > Did this boat used to reside in Bay City?  Where are you?
> >
> > Bill Coleman
> > C&C 39
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:
> cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> > On Behalf Of William Hall
> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
> >
> > Hi List,
> > I just bought a C&C 37.
> > Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've
> > seen the cosmetic repair section here.  Keel bolts look beautiful.
> > The inspector told me verbally that it's perfectly fine.
> > But in his written survey, he added this CYA material:
> > "I believe the keel to stub crack is fairing compound coming loose and
> > the normal separation due to expansion"
> > with recommendations:
> > "further investigate and repair as necessary"
> >
> > The insurance guy wanted the survey and has said coverage is
> > contingent on " further testing (ultrasonic) to determine whether or
> > not that crack is compromising the structural stability of the vessel.
> > "
> >
> > Has anyone any idea how ultrasonic testing could relate at all to this?
> > Can anyone point me to material that might convince the insurance guy
> > that there are less expensive means that will tell us more?
> >
> > Or maybe someone can just point me to a better boat insurance agent?
> >
> > Many thanks!
> > Bill
> >
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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[HONEYSAIL]

I do, this came directly from C&C with the boat back in 74. Thankfully  I 
have had to use it once and that was enough. The mods made work fine as  we 
have tested it both under power & under sail at sea and in calm water but  it 
is still a PITA. Hopefully the AP cover me if we ever loose the cables  
again..
 
 
In a message dated 8/23/2012 3:39:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov writes:

 
You  need a longer tiller! Ouch 
 
Joe  Della Barba
Coquina 
 
 
From:  cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] 
On  Behalf Of honeys...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012  12:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List  Edson Steering System

 
My  boat is fair bit larger than the 35 and the ET is only 40" long, it can 
 be hand steered under power, but a major effort under sail. I have steered 
a  35 I with the ET as yes. it is easier even with the wheel still  
attached.
 

 
 
In a  message dated 8/23/2012 12:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
_Joe.Della.Barba@ssa.gov_ (mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov)   writes:

 
Before  I had an autopilot I used to use my emergency tiller whenever it 
rained  because I could sit up under the dodger. It was fairly high effort 
because  of having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don’t recall 
it  being hard enough to need any kind “rigging”. I did wish the tiller was 
a  foot longer and had a hinge. 
 
Joe  Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I
 
 
 
 
From:  "_HONEYSAIL@aol.com_ (mailto:honeys...@aol.com) " 
<_HONEYSAIL@aol.com_ (mailto:honeys...@aol.com) >
To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com)   
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: Re:  Stus-List Edson Steering System
 
 
 
I  have Honey's steering system inspected, lubricated and adjusted as 
necessary  every spring without fail. You only have to drop a sheave or break a 
cable  once and have to use the emergency tiller just once on a 39 to remind  
you that the steering system maintenance should be at the top of your 
annual  list of necessary items to do at least once a year. Steering the boat 
by  
hand with a 48" long stainless tube was almost impossible and took a  great 
deal of rigging to make it work. I have since modified the tiller to  allow 
me to use either the primary winches if under motor and a set of  
handybillys if under sail. Both are a PITA but  work.
 

 
Also,  for laughs try sailing your boat with the emergency tiller just to 
make sure  that 1) you can do & ) can you do it sea..
 

 
Jack  Fitzgerald
 
C&C  39 TM
 
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Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

[William Hall]

Western Long Island Sound, moving from Larchmont to Stamford.
Thanks!

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
> Boat US insurance, or ACE. There are several others who know boats, I am
> sure others will chime in with their suggestions.  This Agent obviously
> doesn't know much about sailboats.
>
> Did this boat used to reside in Bay City?  Where are you?
>
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> On Behalf Of William Hall
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
>
> Hi List,
> I just bought a C&C 37.
> Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've
> seen the cosmetic repair section here.  Keel bolts look beautiful.
> The inspector told me verbally that it's perfectly fine.
> But in his written survey, he added this CYA material:
> "I believe the keel to stub crack is fairing compound coming loose and
> the normal separation due to expansion"
> with recommendations:
> "further investigate and repair as necessary"
>
> The insurance guy wanted the survey and has said coverage is
> contingent on " further testing (ultrasonic) to determine whether or
> not that crack is compromising the structural stability of the vessel.
> "
>
> Has anyone any idea how ultrasonic testing could relate at all to this?
> Can anyone point me to material that might convince the insurance guy
> that there are less expensive means that will tell us more?
>
> Or maybe someone can just point me to a better boat insurance agent?
>
> Many thanks!
> Bill
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Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

[Bill Coleman]

Boat US insurance, or ACE. There are several others who know boats, I am
sure others will chime in with their suggestions.  This Agent obviously
doesn't know much about sailboats.

Did this boat used to reside in Bay City?  Where are you?

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 


-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of William Hall
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

Hi List,
I just bought a C&C 37.
Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've
seen the cosmetic repair section here.  Keel bolts look beautiful.
The inspector told me verbally that it's perfectly fine.
But in his written survey, he added this CYA material:
"I believe the keel to stub crack is fairing compound coming loose and
the normal separation due to expansion"
with recommendations:
"further investigate and repair as necessary"

The insurance guy wanted the survey and has said coverage is
contingent on " further testing (ultrasonic) to determine whether or
not that crack is compromising the structural stability of the vessel.
"

Has anyone any idea how ultrasonic testing could relate at all to this?
Can anyone point me to material that might convince the insurance guy
that there are less expensive means that will tell us more?

Or maybe someone can just point me to a better boat insurance agent?

Many thanks!
Bill

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Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

[Della Barba, Joe]

I tightened the keel bolts and THEN got the survey ;)
That said, they're trying to make sure it is loose bolts and NOT the fiberglass 
itself coming apart.


Joe Della Barba


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From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of William Hall
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

Hi List,
I just bought a C&C 37.
Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've seen the 
cosmetic repair section here.  Keel bolts look beautiful.
The inspector told me verbally that it's perfectly fine.
But in his written survey, he added this CYA material:
"I believe the keel to stub crack is fairing compound coming loose and the 
normal separation due to expansion"
with recommendations:
"further investigate and repair as necessary"

The insurance guy wanted the survey and has said coverage is contingent on " 
further testing (ultrasonic) to determine whether or not that crack is 
compromising the structural stability of the vessel.
"

Has anyone any idea how ultrasonic testing could relate at all to this?
Can anyone point me to material that might convince the insurance guy that 
there are less expensive means that will tell us more?

Or maybe someone can just point me to a better boat insurance agent?

Many thanks!
Bill

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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[Della Barba, Joe]

You need a longer tiller! Ouch
Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of honeys...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

My boat is fair bit larger than the 35 and the ET is only 40" long, it can be 
hand steered under power, but a major effort under sail. I have steered a 35 I 
with the ET as yes. it is easier even with the wheel still attached.

In a message dated 8/23/2012 12:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov writes:
Before I had an autopilot I used to use my emergency tiller whenever it rained 
because I could sit up under the dodger. It was fairly high effort because of 
having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don’t recall it being 
hard enough to need any kind “rigging”. I did wish the tiller was a foot longer 
and had a hinge.

Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I


From: "honeys...@aol.com" 
mailto:honeys...@aol.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

I have Honey's steering system inspected, lubricated and adjusted as necessary 
every spring without fail. You only have to drop a sheave or break a cable once 
and have to use the emergency tiller just once on a 39 to remind you that the 
steering system maintenance should be at the top of your annual list of 
necessary items to do at least once a year. Steering the boat by hand with a 
48" long stainless tube was almost impossible and took a great deal of rigging 
to make it work. I have since modified the tiller to allow me to use either the 
primary winches if under motor and a set of handybillys if under sail. Both are 
a PITA but work.

Also, for laughs try sailing your boat with the emergency tiller just to make 
sure that 1) you can do & ) can you do it sea..

Jack Fitzgerald
C&C 39 TM
HONEY - US12788

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Stus-List c&c smile and insurance

[William Hall]

Hi List,
I just bought a C&C 37.
Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've
seen the cosmetic repair section here.  Keel bolts look beautiful.
The inspector told me verbally that it's perfectly fine.
But in his written survey, he added this CYA material:
"I believe the keel to stub crack is fairing compound coming loose and
the normal separation due to expansion"
with recommendations:
"further investigate and repair as necessary"

The insurance guy wanted the survey and has said coverage is
contingent on " further testing (ultrasonic) to determine whether or
not that crack is compromising the structural stability of the vessel.
"

Has anyone any idea how ultrasonic testing could relate at all to this?
Can anyone point me to material that might convince the insurance guy
that there are less expensive means that will tell us more?

Or maybe someone can just point me to a better boat insurance agent?

Many thanks!
Bill

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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[HONEYSAIL]

My boat is fair bit larger than the 35 and the ET is only 40" long, it  can 
be hand steered under power, but a major effort under sail. I have steered 
a  35 I with the ET as yes. it is easier even with the wheel still attached.
 
 
In a message dated 8/23/2012 12:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov writes:

 
Before  I had an autopilot I used to use my emergency tiller whenever it 
rained  because I could sit up under the dodger. It was fairly high effort 
because of  having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don’t recall 
it being  hard enough to need any kind “rigging”. I did wish the tiller was 
a foot  longer and had a hinge. 
 
Joe  Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I
 
 
 
 
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<_HONEYSAIL@aol.com_ (mailto:honeys...@aol.com) >
To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com)  
Sent:  Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson  Steering System
 
 
 
I  have Honey's steering system inspected, lubricated and adjusted as 
necessary  every spring without fail. You only have to drop a sheave or break a 
cable  once and have to use the emergency tiller just once on a 39 to remind 
you  that the steering system maintenance should be at the top of your 
annual list  of necessary items to do at least once a year. Steering the boat 
by  
hand with a 48" long stainless tube was almost impossible and took a  great 
deal of rigging to make it work. I have since modified the tiller to  allow 
me to use either the primary winches if under motor and a set of  
handybillys if under sail. Both are a PITA but  work.
 

 
Also,  for laughs try sailing your boat with the emergency tiller just to 
make sure  that 1) you can do & ) can you do it sea..
 

 
Jack  Fitzgerald
 
C&C  39 TM
 
HONEY  - US12788
 







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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[Della Barba, Joe]

Before I had an autopilot I used to use my emergency tiller whenever it rained 
because I could sit up under the dodger. It was fairly high effort because of 
having to turn the wheel along with the rudder, but I don't recall it being 
hard enough to need any kind "rigging". I did wish the tiller was a foot longer 
and had a hinge.

Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I


From: "honeys...@aol.com" 
mailto:honeys...@aol.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

I have Honey's steering system inspected, lubricated and adjusted as necessary 
every spring without fail. You only have to drop a sheave or break a cable once 
and have to use the emergency tiller just once on a 39 to remind you that the 
steering system maintenance should be at the top of your annual list of 
necessary items to do at least once a year. Steering the boat by hand with a 
48" long stainless tube was almost impossible and took a great deal of rigging 
to make it work. I have since modified the tiller to allow me to use either the 
primary winches if under motor and a set of handybillys if under sail. Both are 
a PITA but work.

Also, for laughs try sailing your boat with the emergency tiller just to make 
sure that 1) you can do & ) can you do it sea..

Jack Fitzgerald
C&C 39 TM
HONEY - US12788

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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[Sylvain Laplante]

And also it is a good idea to attach/tape an inexpensive open end key to the 
emergency tiller in case you have to install it fast ( 9/16 on my 27 ).

Sylvain
C&C27MkIII



 From: "honeys...@aol.com" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System
 

I have Honey's steering system inspected, lubricated and adjusted as 
necessary every spring without fail. You only have to drop a sheave or break a 
cable once and have to use the emergency tiller just once on a 39 to remind 
you that the steering system maintenance should be at the top of your annual 
list of necessary items to do at least once a year. Steering the boat by 
hand with a 48" long stainless tube was almost impossible and took a great 
deal of rigging to make it work. I have since modified the tiller to allow me 
to 
use either the primary winches if under motor and a set of handybillys if under 
sail. Both are a PITA but work.
 
Also, for laughs try sailing your boat with the emergency tiller just to 
make sure that 1) you can do & ) can you do it sea..
 
Jack Fitzgerald
C&C 39 TM
HONEY - US12788
 
In a message dated 8/23/2012 8:47:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
cscheaf...@comcast.net writes:

>Edson has 
  designed upgrades to their Wire Rope Sheaves & Assemblies.
>See edsonmarine.com
>
>They also have a great tech support by phone, 
  508-995-9711
>
>
>Chuck
>Resolute
>1990 C&C 
  34R
>Atlantic City, NJ
>
>
> From: "Sylvain Laplante" 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:00:16  AM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System
>
>
>Fairly complete... Btw Edson sells maintenance and rebuild kits (  one of them 
>includes 2 keyways ).
>Also,  a problem I had on mine when I bought it:  The bronze shafts of the  
>pulleys were worn to 50% , pretty scary. I bought new ones at a machine shop ( 
> cut to length ), I now keep 2 spares in the spare parts box.
>
>
>Sylvain
>C&C27MkIII
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jake Brodersen  
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:41 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering  System
>
>Play in the wheel can come from several 
  sources.
>
>1)  The keyway in the wheel becomes enlarged or the key 
  wears down
>2)  Loose chain links in the pedestal
>3)  The 
  rudder bearings develop play
>4)  Slack in the cables attached to the 
  quadrant
>
>There may be other causes, but these are the most 
  common.  They keyway is
>easy to observe by taking off the retaining 
  nut on the wheel.  My money
>would be on the loose cables.  They 
  stretch over time.  On my 35-3, they are
>a bear to get to, but easy to 
  adjust with 2 crescent wrenches.
>
>Jake
>
>Jake Brodersen
>C&C 
  35 Mk-III
>Midnight Mistress
>Hampton VA
>
>
>
>-Original 
  Message-
>From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
>On Behalf Of Helen 
  Abbott
>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:17 AM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Stus-List Edson Steering 
  System
>
>Bill:
>
>Can you elaborate a bit on what is a worn keyway on 
  the steering shaft.  
>Is it a big job to replace/repair?
>
>Bob 
  Abbott
>AZURA
>
>
>
>On 2012/08/20 10:03 AM, Bill Connon 
  wrote:
>> Helen Abbott wrote:
>>> Recently, we have noticed a 
  little 'play' in the steering 
>>> system..by a little 'play' I 
  mean the wheel turns approx. a 1/4 
>>> inch before it engages the 
  rudder.
>>>
>>> Is something wearing away in the steering 
  system and needs to be 
>>> replaced or is this a case where an 
  adjustment can be made to tighten 
>>> things 
  up?
>>>
>>> Any and all advice 
  appreciated?
>>>
>>> Bob Abbott
>>> AZURA
>>> 
  C&C 32 - 84
>>> Halifax, 
  N.S.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>  
  Bob,
>>
>> I have the same problem on my '78 36 footer. The problem 
  is definitely 
>> a worn keyway on the steering shaft.
>>
>> 
  Bill
>> Caprice 1
>>
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Re: Stus-List Performance

[Joel Aronson]

Congrats to Jake!  My copy of Spinsheet is on the boat.  Guess I need to go
back and look at the pictures too!

Joel

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> Once again, our contributor has performed on the course.  Jake Brodersen
> and crew on Midnight Mistress has taken the Non Spinnaker trophy at the
> Screwpile Regatta, held annually at Solomons, at the mouth of the Patapsco
> River on the Chesapeake, for the umpteenth time. He blitzed the field in
> the hot weather on his C&C 35III, for a convincing victory.
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[Gary Nylander]

Once again, our contributor has performed on the course.  Jake Brodersen and 
crew on Midnight Mistress has taken the Non Spinnaker trophy at the 
Screwpile Regatta, held annually at Solomons, at the mouth of the Patapsco 
River on the Chesapeake, for the umpteenth time. He blitzed the field in the 
hot weather on his C&C 35III, for a convincing victory. Congratulations. 
And, he got his picture (showing the boat name) in Spinsheet Magazine.


Gary Nylander (not there this year) 




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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[HONEYSAIL]

I have Honey's steering system inspected, lubricated and adjusted as  
necessary every spring without fail. You only have to drop a sheave or break a  
cable once and have to use the emergency tiller just once on a 39 to remind  
you that the steering system maintenance should be at the top of your annual 
 list of necessary items to do at least once a year. Steering the boat by  
hand with a 48" long stainless tube was almost impossible and took a great  
deal of rigging to make it work. I have since modified the tiller to allow 
me to  use either the primary winches if under motor and a set of handybillys 
if under  sail. Both are a PITA but work.
 
Also, for laughs try sailing your boat with the emergency tiller just to  
make sure that 1) you can do & ) can you do it sea..
 
Jack Fitzgerald
C&C 39 TM
HONEY - US12788
 
 
In a message dated 8/23/2012 8:47:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cscheaf...@comcast.net writes:


Edson has  designed upgrades to their Wire Rope Sheaves & Assemblies.
See  edsonmarine.com

They also have a great tech support by phone,  508-995-9711

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C  34R
Atlantic City, NJ

 

From: "Sylvain Laplante" 
To:  cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:00:16  AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System


Fairly complete... Btw Edson sells maintenance and rebuild kits (  one of 
them includes 2 keyways ).
Also,  a problem I had on mine when I bought it:  The bronze shafts of the  
pulleys were worn to 50% , pretty scary. I bought new ones at a machine 
shop (  cut to length ), I now keep 2 spares in the spare parts box.


Sylvain
C&C27MkIII




 
  

 From: Jake Brodersen  
To:  cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent:  Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering  System


Play in the wheel can come from several  sources.

1)  The keyway in the wheel becomes enlarged or the key  wears down
2)  Loose chain links in the pedestal
3)  The  rudder bearings develop play
4)  Slack in the cables attached to the  quadrant

There may be other causes, but these are the most  common.  They keyway is
easy to observe by taking off the retaining  nut on the wheel.  My money
would be on the loose cables.  They  stretch over time.  On my 35-3, they 
are
a bear to get to, but easy to  adjust with 2 crescent wrenches.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C&C  35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA



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On Behalf Of Helen  Abbott
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:17 AM
To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) 
Subject: Stus-List Edson Steering  System

Bill:

Can you elaborate a bit on what is a worn keyway on  the steering shaft.  
Is it a big job to replace/repair?

Bob  Abbott
AZURA



On 2012/08/20 10:03 AM, Bill Connon  wrote:
> Helen Abbott wrote:
>> Recently, we have noticed a  little 'play' in the steering 
>> system..by a little 'play' I  mean the wheel turns approx. a 1/4 
>> inch before it engages the  rudder.
>>
>> Is something wearing away in the steering  system and needs to be 
>> replaced or is this a case where an  adjustment can be made to tighten 
>> things  up?
>>
>> Any and all advice  appreciated?
>>
>> Bob Abbott
>> AZURA
>>  C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax,  N.S.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>   Bob,
>
> I have the same problem on my '78 36 footer. The problem  is definitely 
> a worn keyway on the steering shaft.
>
>  Bill
> Caprice 1
>
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 79, Issue 49

[Alan Bergen]

If it's the clutch cone, I have a spare that's like new. Contact me off list if 
you need one. 


Alan Bergen 
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

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The last time out I noticed some strange behaviour when motoring.
Basically, I got very little drive from the prop until I increased revs
pretty substantially (around 2000rpm) and then it 'caught' and I got normal
speed from the revs, and am able to throttle up or down appropriately.  If
I brought the throttle to idle (in gear) at speed, I would have to do the
same thing to get it to 'catch' again.  I didn't have time to do more
diagnosis at the end of the trip, but will do so when I head to the boat
this evening pre-race.  Reverse worked fine backing out of the slip.

I'm thinking either its a transmission problem, or the propellor (2-blade
flex-o-fold) isn't opening when it should.  I'm going to check the shaft
speed in-gear at the dock, which should tell me which.  If it turns out to
be propellor, then I'll live with it until the end of the season; if it's
the transmission, does anyone have ideas about where to go next?  Gear oil
was changed at the beginning of this season, so that shouldn't be the
issue, but I'll check levels etc.  The engine is a Yanmar 3GMF.

Thanks,

Tim
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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[Chuck S]

http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/PDFs/planning/EB381SteeringGuide.pdf 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "Indigo"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:34:51 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System 

Jake and others, 
What is the correct tension on the cables. I replaced mine last year, but feel 
I may have them too slack 



-- 
Jonathan 
Indigo 35III 
Southport CT 

On Aug 22, 2012, at 21:41, "Jake Brodersen"  wrote: 

> Play in the wheel can come from several sources. 
> 
> 1) The keyway in the wheel becomes enlarged or the key wears down 
> 2) Loose chain links in the pedestal 
> 3) The rudder bearings develop play 
> 4) Slack in the cables attached to the quadrant 
> 
> There may be other causes, but these are the most common. They keyway is 
> easy to observe by taking off the retaining nut on the wheel. My money 
> would be on the loose cables. They stretch over time. On my 35-3, they are 
> a bear to get to, but easy to adjust with 2 crescent wrenches. 
> 
> Jake 
> 
> Jake Brodersen 
> C&C 35 Mk-III 
> Midnight Mistress 
> Hampton VA 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] 
> On Behalf Of Helen Abbott 
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:17 AM 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Subject: Stus-List Edson Steering System 
> 
> Bill: 
> 
> Can you elaborate a bit on what is a worn keyway on the steering shaft. 
> Is it a big job to replace/repair? 
> 
> Bob Abbott 
> AZURA 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2012/08/20 10:03 AM, Bill Connon wrote: 
>> Helen Abbott wrote: 
>>> Recently, we have noticed a little 'play' in the steering 
>>> system..by a little 'play' I mean the wheel turns approx. a 1/4 
>>> inch before it engages the rudder. 
>>> 
>>> Is something wearing away in the steering system and needs to be 
>>> replaced or is this a case where an adjustment can be made to tighten 
>>> things up? 
>>> 
>>> Any and all advice appreciated? 
>>> 
>>> Bob Abbott 
>>> AZURA 
>>> C&C 32 - 84 
>>> Halifax, N.S. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> Bob, 
>> 
>> I have the same problem on my '78 36 footer. The problem is definitely 
>> a worn keyway on the steering shaft. 
>> 
>> Bill 
>> Caprice 1 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[Chuck S]

Edson has designed upgrades to their Wire Rope Sheaves & Assemblies. 
See edsonmarine.com 

They also have a great tech support by phone, 508-995-9711 


Chuck 
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1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
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From: "Sylvain Laplante"  
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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:00:16 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System 



Fairly complete... Btw Edson sells maintenance and rebuild kits ( one of them 
includes 2 keyways ). 
Also, a problem I had on mine when I bought it: The bronze shafts of the 
pulleys were worn to 50% , pretty scary. I bought new ones at a machine shop ( 
cut to length ), I now keep 2 spares in the spare parts box. 


Sylvain 
C&C27MkIII 






From: Jake Brodersen  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:41 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System 

Play in the wheel can come from several sources. 

1) The keyway in the wheel becomes enlarged or the key wears down 
2) Loose chain links in the pedestal 
3) The rudder bearings develop play 
4) Slack in the cables attached to the quadrant 

There may be other causes, but these are the most common. They keyway is 
easy to observe by taking off the retaining nut on the wheel. My money 
would be on the loose cables. They stretch over time. On my 35-3, they are 
a bear to get to, but easy to adjust with 2 crescent wrenches. 

Jake 

Jake Brodersen 
C&C 35 Mk-III 
Midnight Mistress 
Hampton VA 



-Original Message- 
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] 
On Behalf Of Helen Abbott 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:17 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Edson Steering System 

Bill: 

Can you elaborate a bit on what is a worn keyway on the steering shaft. 
Is it a big job to replace/repair? 

Bob Abbott 
AZURA 



On 2012/08/20 10:03 AM, Bill Connon wrote: 
> Helen Abbott wrote: 
>> Recently, we have noticed a little 'play' in the steering 
>> system..by a little 'play' I mean the wheel turns approx. a 1/4 
>> inch before it engages the rudder. 
>> 
>> Is something wearing away in the steering system and needs to be 
>> replaced or is this a case where an adjustment can be made to tighten 
>> things up? 
>> 
>> Any and all advice appreciated? 
>> 
>> Bob Abbott 
>> AZURA 
>> C&C 32 - 84 
>> Halifax, N.S. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Bob, 
> 
> I have the same problem on my '78 36 footer. The problem is definitely 
> a worn keyway on the steering shaft. 
> 
> Bill 
> Caprice 1 
> 
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[David Risch]

Rick,

Could you please contact me offline about the rendezvous in Mystic?

Thanks!

David F. Risch
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Stus-List sad ending

[Richard Walter]

Greetings,

We were sailing Sunday and heard all of this event unfold on VHF 16. The 
saddest comment I heard was when the owner/skipper stated, "...my wife has gone 
below and the boat is underwaterthe boat has sunk..."

Very sad.

Richard

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Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System

[Sylvain Laplante]

Fairly complete... Btw Edson sells maintenance and rebuild kits ( one of them 
includes 2 keyways ).
Also, a problem I had on mine when I bought it:  The bronze shafts of the 
pulleys were worn to 50% , pretty scary. I bought new ones at a machine shop ( 
cut to length ), I now keep 2 spares in the spare parts box.

Sylvain
C&C27MkIII




 From: Jake Brodersen 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Steering System
 
Play in the wheel can come from several sources.

1)  The keyway in the wheel becomes enlarged or the key wears down
2)  Loose chain links in the pedestal
3)  The rudder bearings develop play
4)  Slack in the cables attached to the quadrant

There may be other causes, but these are the most common.  They keyway is
easy to observe by taking off the retaining nut on the wheel.  My money
would be on the loose cables.  They stretch over time.  On my 35-3, they are
a bear to get to, but easy to adjust with 2 crescent wrenches.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA



-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Helen Abbott
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Edson Steering System

Bill:

Can you elaborate a bit on what is a worn keyway on the steering shaft.  
Is it a big job to replace/repair?

Bob Abbott
AZURA



On 2012/08/20 10:03 AM, Bill Connon wrote:
> Helen Abbott wrote:
>> Recently, we have noticed a little 'play' in the steering 
>> system..by a little 'play' I mean the wheel turns approx. a 1/4 
>> inch before it engages the rudder.
>>
>> Is something wearing away in the steering system and needs to be 
>> replaced or is this a case where an adjustment can be made to tighten 
>> things up?
>>
>> Any and all advice appreciated?
>>
>> Bob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>  Bob,
>
> I have the same problem on my '78 36 footer. The problem is definitely 
> a worn keyway on the steering shaft.
>
> Bill
> Caprice 1
>
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