Re: Stus-List Leaking windows-biting the bullet
I used a GE product - Silpruf I think. The guy at Annapolis maritime plastics sold it to me out of his stock...it's what HE uses when he gets paid to replace windows. Plus flat black spray paint... Search the archives...I did this job about 1 year ago and it's still holding up fine, even with 3 separate haulouts and blockings in 1 year, plus one short haul where I just hung in the slings, plus a ~14 hour upwind pounding during the Gov Cup in ~15 knots with our typical Chesapeake short chop. -Keith -Original Message- From: Kim Brown [mailto:kimcbr...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:17 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Leaking windows-biting the bullet All, I am getting the boat out of the yard Thursday with a fresh bottom (after 5 years in the water year round it was time - though got to love Trinidad SR at least in this area). Also dealt with assorted blisters dings and gouges; torqued out a slight smirk; got the Martec rebuilt; replaced the cutlass bearing; replaced the dripping dripless stuffing box; dressed the shaft; lubed the thru hulls; addressed a centerboard 'issue'; and otherwise got it ready to float for another couple years. Once back home, I am going to tackle the frameless fixed lights-another project past due. I know from past discussions to get cast acrylic and use the old ones as templates- easy enough. The bedding choices seem to be between Plexus and Sikaflex 295UV. One requires a special mixing caulk gun and the other an outrageously priced primer. Anyone have an easier third choice that has worked well? I need good enough - not perfect. I want to get going as they are playing baseball here so the weather is bound to get out of the 60/70s and be warm enough to sail soon. Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Leaking windows-biting the bullet
Kim, Where do you keep your boat? I haven't heard many mentions of Trinidad around here in Long Island Sound. Five years sounds pretty good. Bill Hall Starfire CC 37 Stamford, CT On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kim Brown kimcbr...@comcast.net wrote: All, I am getting the boat out of the yard Thursday with a fresh bottom (after 5 years in the water year round it was time - though got to love Trinidad SR at least in this area). Also dealt with assorted blisters dings and gouges; torqued out a slight smirk; got the Martec rebuilt; replaced the cutlass bearing; replaced the dripping dripless stuffing box; dressed the shaft; lubed the thru hulls; addressed a centerboard 'issue'; and otherwise got it ready to float for another couple years. Once back home, I am going to tackle the frameless fixed lights-another project past due. I know from past discussions to get cast acrylic and use the old ones as templates- easy enough. The bedding choices seem to be between Plexus and Sikaflex 295UV. One requires a special mixing caulk gun and the other an outrageously priced primer. Anyone have an easier third choice that has worked well? I need good enough - not perfect. I want to get going as they are playing baseball here so the weather is bound to get out of the 60/70s and be warm enough to sail soon. Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- William D. Hall, Ph.D. 203 653 2886 (o) 617 620 9078 (c) wh...@alum.mit.edu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Edson Pedestal
I have been shamed into checking and lubing the steering by the crowd. Bottom end looks fine- no meat hooks tension seems about right etc. However I can't get the machine screws holding the binnacle loose. Upon removing the compass, there are four large slotted screws (with plastic/nylon isolating washers under their heads. They head down through the bottom of the nice chrome can that holds the compass. Next layer of this wedding cake is the throttle/shift piece, then a thin slice for the pedestal guard then the actual steering pedestal. Does any one know if these screws actually thread into the throttle/shift layer or just pass through all the way through to steering pedestal itself. Don't see any obvious way to apply PBBlaster, heat or other means of persuasion. If I just slice the heads off am I going to have enough of a stub to work with or am I likely to have to drill them out? Guess I could leave well enough alone but that is just asking for failure at an inopportune time Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Pedestal
Hi Kim, I had a failure of my edson system last year. However, It was no fault of the edson equipment. It was more the fault of the installation. I did end up replacing the chain and cable and had some difficulty getting those bolts out. They are a specially coated bolt available only from edson. I was able to get a couple of them out with a screw driver but one or two I got out with a small pair of visegrips. It was a tedious pain but, it worked. I then replaced them with new. As I recall they thread right into the pedestal. The special coating is supposed to keep them from seizing up. Works good right? Unless, of course, someone replaced them at some point with a standard SS bolt, you should be able to get them moving with some lubricant and some effort. IIRC the bolts from edson are a phillips, pan head/machine head bolt. Edson is still in business here in New Bedford, MA and are very helpful and willing to spend time on the phone with you to try and help. Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Kim Brown kimcbr...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Edson Pedestal Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:08:09 -0400 I have been shamed into checking and lubing the steering by the crowd. Bottom end looks fine- no meat hooks tension seems about right etc. However I can't get the machine screws holding the binnacle loose. Upon removing the compass, there are four large slotted screws (with plastic/nylon isolating washers under their heads. They head down through the bottom of the nice chrome can that holds the compass. Next layer of this wedding cake is the throttle/shift piece, then a thin slice for the pedestal guard then the actual steering pedestal. Does any one know if these screws actually thread into the throttle/shift layer or just pass through all the way through to steering pedestal itself. Don't see any obvious way to apply PBBlaster, heat or other means of persuasion. If I just slice the heads off am I going to have enough of a stub to work with or am I likely to have to drill them out? Guess I could leave well enough alone but that is just asking for failure at an inopportune time Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Pedestal
Kim, There is a diagram here: http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/PDFs/planning/EB381SteeringGuide.pdf I don't think the screws go all the way to the pedestal. but I could be wrong. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Kim Brown kimcbr...@comcast.net wrote: I have been shamed into checking and lubing the steering by the crowd. Bottom end looks fine- no meat hooks tension seems about right etc. However I can't get the machine screws holding the binnacle loose. Upon removing the compass, there are four large slotted screws (with plastic/nylon isolating washers under their heads. They head down through the bottom of the nice chrome can that holds the compass. Next layer of this wedding cake is the throttle/shift piece, then a thin slice for the pedestal guard then the actual steering pedestal. Does any one know if these screws actually thread into the throttle/shift layer or just pass through all the way through to steering pedestal itself. Don't see any obvious way to apply PBBlaster, heat or other means of persuasion. If I just slice the heads off am I going to have enough of a stub to work with or am I likely to have to drill them out? Guess I could leave well enough alone but that is just asking for failure at an inopportune time Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Pedestal
Hi Joel, Those diagrams are hard to read. I studied them pretty closely when figuring out my repair plan. As I recall, there is the compass, which screws into what seems to be a spacer, then you have the throttle/tranny lever/linkage assembly and below that there is the top of the pedestal which is kind of funnel shaped. So, the bolts go through the bottom flange of the spacer/compass housing, through the throttle/tranny linkage assemble and screw directly into the funnel shaped piece at the top of the pedestal. I don't recall struggling with holding back on any nuts when using the vicegrips to remove the bolts. That is why I believe they screw right into the top of the pedestal. The bolts are about 3 1/2 long to get them through all the parts. Here is a link to a sketch I put together from memory but, I'm pretty sure this is how it goes. http://sdrv.ms/XUoFbu -- Original Message -- From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Pedestal Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:37:17 -0400 Kim, There is a diagram here:#65533;http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/PDFs/planning/EB381SteeringGuide.pdf I don't think the screws go all the way to the pedestal. but I could be wrong. Joel35/3Annapolis On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Kim Brown kimcbr...@comcast.net wrote: I have been shamed into checking and lubing the steering by the crowd. Bottom end looks fine- no meat hooks tension seems about right etc. #65533;However I can't get the machine screws holding the binnacle loose. Upon removing the compass, there are four large slotted screws (with plastic/nylon isolating washers under their heads. They head down through the bottom of the nice chrome can that holds the compass. #65533;Next layer of this wedding cake is the throttle/shift piece, then a thin slice for the pedestal guard then the actual steering pedestal. #65533;Does any one know if these screws #65533;actually thread into the throttle/shift layer or just pass through all the way through to steering pedestal itself. #65533;Don't see any obvious way to apply PBBlaster, heat or other means of persuasion. #65533;If I just slice the heads off am I going to have enough of a stub to work with or am I likely to have to drill them out? #65533;Guess I could leave well enough alone but that is just asking for failure at an inopportune time Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC 38 Landfall on ebay
I actually consider FleaBay a really bad way to buy something like this. Among other things, you can have what just happened where the boat gets sold outside of EBay and just disappears. If the boat had wet core and a bad engine, neither of which would be obvious sitting in the water with the engine winterized, she would essentially have no value other than scrap. I’ll still go look at her if the boat ever gets relisted. Someone got a GREAT deal if the ad was even 2/3s accurate. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:49 PM To: j...@dellabarba.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC 38 Landfall on ebay Aaw! That's too bad. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-03-17, at 19:46, Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.commailto:j...@dellabarba.com wrote: The auction was removed. The owner said a local wanted to buy the boat. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.commailto:j...@dellabarba.com COQUINA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC 38 Landfall on ebay Looks like the boat did not sell. Joe, did you look at it? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Pedestal
Kim, If I understand your set up the screws are long and go directly into pedestal and do not hold anything else. Keep dribbling some liquid wrench down screws and/or squirt PB Blaster with extender tube on screw/pedestal interface through new or any hole you find like wires for compass light. After soaking overnight try tapping on screw driver with hammer while turning or use small impact wrench. Grinding heads of screws will be difficult due to tool access. Good luck! John Arpeggio CC 32 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kim Brown Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Edson Pedestal I have been shamed into checking and lubing the steering by the crowd. Bottom end looks fine- no meat hooks tension seems about right etc. However I can't get the machine screws holding the binnacle loose. Upon removing the compass, there are four large slotted screws (with plastic/nylon isolating washers under their heads. They head down through the bottom of the nice chrome can that holds the compass. Next layer of this wedding cake is the throttle/shift piece, then a thin slice for the pedestal guard then the actual steering pedestal. Does any one know if these screws actually thread into the throttle/shift layer or just pass through all the way through to steering pedestal itself. Don't see any obvious way to apply PBBlaster, heat or other means of persuasion. If I just slice the heads off am I going to have enough of a stub to work with or am I likely to have to drill them out? Guess I could leave well enough alone but that is just asking for failure at an inopportune time Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 24 Polars
Anyone have a copy of the polars for the CC 24. I have the original manual, but no polars. Thanks, Orren___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List 34+ Scherza
A fellow here is the Seattle area has a contract on a CC 34+ named Scherza, presently located in Gig Harbor and is looking for any info in her prior to closing. Do any listers have background on her? Also, it appears she was never documented. Is there any other way to get the ownership history or other info via the hull number? Tom B Tom Buscaglia SV Alera CC 37+/40 Vashon Island WA (206) 463-9200 www.sv-alera.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Pedestal
I used a hammer drive screwdriver and heat to the area under the screws - it was a b...h. Gary - Original Message - From: Kim Brown kimcbr...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: Stus-List Edson Pedestal I have been shamed into checking and lubing the steering by the crowd. Bottom end looks fine- no meat hooks tension seems about right etc. However I can't get the machine screws holding the binnacle loose. Upon removing the compass, there are four large slotted screws (with plastic/nylon isolating washers under their heads. They head down through the bottom of the nice chrome can that holds the compass. Next layer of this wedding cake is the throttle/shift piece, then a thin slice for the pedestal guard then the actual steering pedestal. Does any one know if these screws actually thread into the throttle/shift layer or just pass through all the way through to steering pedestal itself. Don't see any obvious way to apply PBBlaster, heat or other means of persuasion. If I just slice the heads off am I going to have enough of a stub to work with or am I likely to have to drill them out? Guess I could leave well enough alone but that is just asking for failure at an inopportune time Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII
dang, I knew that comment would get me in trouble! Richard 1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:00 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII Thanks Richard, I'll use that in the PHRF review next week. The 35-3 should rate 132! Tim Mojito 35-3 On Mar 18, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: Jim, thanks; you will find the 33-II as fast as any boat and easily handled; (I don't want to start a war, but I believe the 33-II would hold its own against the 35-III); I was intimidated by the size of the rig at first but I am very comfortable with it now... The hull can handle the stress of the rig; the interior is comfy enough; go for it! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Jim Buschman jimbuschm...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:11 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII Hi Richard. I have a Hunter 25.5 1985. This has been my first boat. I have raced on various boats. Hughs 38, X99, kirby 30. My Brother has a CS30. My choice of boats will either be the CC 33 MkII or a CS 30. I have friends with CC 35 MkIII. Sailed on them last summer. 35 is a lot of boat and I see a lot of single handed sailing in my future. Kids are busy and wife likes to sunbathe. Which is fine, I love to sail. Jim On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: Jim, what boat do you currently have? Richard 1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Jim Buschman jimbuschm...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2013 1:12 pm Subject: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII Good Day everyone. I am considering the purchase of a 1985 CC 33 MkII. I was hoping I could get some unbiased feedback on the Pros and Cons of the boat. I am aware of the mast step compression issue and the failing support under it. I understand the process for a fix. Considering these boats have held up for 28 years I have to ask my self : 1. What are the major issues I can expect to deal with for the next 15 years. 2. Can anyone tell me specifically where the cored hull panels are in the bow? Are they above the water line? Even better does anyone have construction drawing on this boat? 3. Given the massive keel on this beautifull Race/Cruiser, are stresses showing up as a result of the forces on decks and hulls ? 4. I live in Leamington Ontario and cannot find any 33 MkII s locally. Would anyone know of the closest one to Essex county? 5. If anyone is up for a phone call and real chat about this I would be thrilled to hear from owners. I would be glad to make the call on my dime. Thank you everyone Jim Buschman jimbuschm...@gmail.com 519-980-0811 ___ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII
Tim is going to get hit with a penalty for his new stern rail and pedestal by a jealous committee, so it will be a wash! Joel On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: dang, I knew that comment would get me in trouble! Richard 1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:00 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII Thanks Richard, I'll use that in the PHRF review next week. The 35-3 should rate 132! Tim Mojito 35-3 On Mar 18, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: Jim, thanks; you will find the 33-II as fast as any boat and easily handled; (I don't want to start a war, but I believe the 33-II would hold its own against the 35-III); I was intimidated by the size of the rig at first but I am very comfortable with it now... The hull can handle the stress of the rig; the interior is comfy enough; go for it! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Jim Buschman jimbuschm...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:11 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII Hi Richard. I have a Hunter 25.5 1985. This has been my first boat. I have raced on various boats. Hughs 38, X99, kirby 30. My Brother has a CS30. My choice of boats will either be the CC 33 MkII or a CS 30. I have friends with CC 35 MkIII. Sailed on them last summer. 35 is a lot of boat and I see a lot of single handed sailing in my future. Kids are busy and wife likes to sunbathe. Which is fine, I love to sail. Jim On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.comwrote: Jim, what boat do you currently have? Richard 1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Jim Buschman jimbuschm...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2013 1:12 pm Subject: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII Good Day everyone. I am considering the purchase of a 1985 CC 33 MkII. I was hoping I could get some unbiased feedback on the Pros and Cons of the boat. I am aware of the mast step compression issue and the failing support under it. I understand the process for a fix. Considering these boats have held up for 28 years I have to ask my self : 1. What are the major issues I can expect to deal with for the next 15 years. 2. Can anyone tell me specifically where the cored hull panels are in the bow? Are they above the water line? Even better does anyone have construction drawing on this boat? 3. Given the massive keel on this beautifull Race/Cruiser, are stresses showing up as a result of the forces on decks and hulls ? 4. I live in Leamington Ontario and cannot find any 33 MkII s locally. Would anyone know of the closest one to Essex county? 5. If anyone is up for a phone call and real chat about this I would be thrilled to hear from owners. I would be glad to make the call on my dime. Thank you everyone Jim Buschman jimbuschm...@gmail.com 519-980-0811 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Possible CC 30 purchase
Hi All, I'm new to the list. Just joined up as I'm getting serious about moving up to a bigger boat. Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last year, loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to spend much time aboard with my 4 kids. After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a CC 30. Seems to be the right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for our club crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time out on the water. I've read most everything on the CC site, including a bunch of the mailing list archives. Was on a local boat here the other day - getting an idea of the size and space. I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will likely need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the typical issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging etc that can be problematic with any older boats. Any specific advice on things I need to watch for? I have someone I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat for me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale - new diesel in 2000, well fitted out) Thanks in advance for the advice, Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Possible CC 30 purchase
I second Nate's comments. If you have followed the list, you have probably heard all the stories about the boat. Some of the earlier ones didn't have the teak and holly floor, just fiberglass. Mine is a 1980, #593 and has the raised boom, teak and holly, pressure water and water heater, etc. Plus the Yanmar 2QM15. It is stiff, comfortable, has stand up headroom up to the mast, etc. My rigging is 32 years old and looks like new - half it's life it has been in brackish water, half in almost fresh (Chesapeake Bay). With the exception of some of the wiring - the mast light was wired with lamp cord and the mast step - it has been pretty bullet proof - and still does pretty well on the race course and in cruising. I keep looking, but haven't found anything remotely affordable which matches most of the earlier CC's. Good luck, if you have any specific questions, ask the list - there are about a dozen of us do-it-yourselfers who have been through our boats - end to end. We even have hull number 1 on the list. Gary Nylander Penniless #593 St. Michaels MD - Original Message - From: Nate Flesness To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible CC 30 purchase Love my 30-1. Could go on and on about the good stuff. If freshwater, I don't think standing rigging is a weak spot - most freshwater owners seem to have the original 30+ year old overbuilt 1/4 ss.stranded and I've asked around but no one reports hearing of one fail. If early model (hull # before about #560...1978 or so) the boom is apparently one foot lower and more dangerous. Other things to watch for are teak and holly floor cosmetics or sag (hard to replace on this model because it is under the salon furniture), spacious lazarettes are open to the spinning prop shaft - lots of possible adventures there (don't ask me how I know - now have added withdrawable plywood panels midships from lazarette space to close in engine/shaft area)... I'd ask for a sample drawn from the bottom of the fuel tank to check for algae... mast wiring was sometimes untinned copper lamp wire (mine was) - even in freshwater boats that can be green powder after all these years... otherwise have a blast - she can take just about anything, more than we who sail her. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar drbod...@accesswave.ca wrote: Hi All, I'm new to the list. Just joined up as I'm getting serious about moving up to a bigger boat. Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last year, loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to spend much time aboard with my 4 kids. After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a CC 30. Seems to be the right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for our club crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time out on the water. I've read most everything on the CC site, including a bunch of the mailing list archives. Was on a local boat here the other day - getting an idea of the size and space. I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will likely need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the typical issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging etc that can be problematic with any older boats. Any specific advice on things I need to watch for? I have someone I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat for me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale - new diesel in 2000, well fitted out) Thanks in advance for the advice, Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Diesel engine zincs
Howdy all, So my friend picked up an older boat recently with a Volvo Penta MD7 engine. There is no mention of zincs to be replaced anywhere. Evidently the engine's cooling system draws water from out side and runs that through the engine and out again. Given that the boat is in salt water would it not seem likely that zincs would be needed? Your ideas most appreciated! Dave ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Diesel engine zincs
The Yanmar 3gmf on my 35iii does not have any zincs. Even went as far as calling Mack Boring in New Jersey to confirm this Jonathan Indigo 35-III Southport CT -- Jonathan Trade Show Services Cell: (203) 395 0225 www.tradeshowservicesusa.com On Mar 18, 2013, at 18:27, Dr. David Montgomery hedt...@aol.com wrote: Howdy all, So my friend picked up an older boat recently with a Volvo Penta MD7 engine. There is no mention of zincs to be replaced anywhere. Evidently the engine's cooling system draws water from out side and runs that through the engine and out again. Given that the boat is in salt water would it not seem likely that zincs would be needed? Your ideas most appreciated! Dave ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Possible CC 30 purchase
Jeff nelson is on the list and in your area.___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Possible CC 30 purchase
You already know about the mast step. What else to look for in this old very sturdy old boats ? - The galley bulkhead used to be finished with a white plastic film on the side of the oven. The plastic sheeting was installed before glassing the bulkhead directly to the hull, over the sheeting. Overtime, the sheeting gets ugly and start getting off the bulkhead. The result is a bulkhead delaminated from the hull behind the oven. Easy to repair but should be looked at. If delaminated, check carefully that the wood is in good condition. - Thru-hulls used to have gate valves. Get rid of that junk, it's dangerous. Remember that most boat sink at their slip. - If the fuel tank is original, check it. Same with the engine. - Check for rusted plates under keel bolts, easy to replace. But it requires a good breakfast to torque again the bolts after. - The original septic tank system was leaking on mine, just beneath the top of the tank. It gets unnoticed until you go for vacation and fill-it up completely for the first time. My wife summoned me to change it as soon as vacation was over. - 1973 vintages like mine didn't have a pair of hooks that hold down the deck on each side of the mast. Result : a lack of rigidity of the deck and a squeaking mast in heavy winds. Easy to fix, I built my own pair. - The rudder lack a bit of compensation on the front, causing a stiff helm on a reach in solid winds. George Hinterholler was aware of this problem because his own boat (hull #1) had a piece of wood retrofitted in front of the rudder to increase compensation. Mine did too. I simply removed the wood piece and fiberglassed a piece of foam instead. Damn good boat. Having done two Atlantic crossing with it, I never regretted my choice, very seaworthy. Antoine (CC 30 Cousin) Le 2013-03-18 à 15:33, Dr. Mark Bodnar a écrit : Hi All, I'm new to the list. Just joined up as I'm getting serious about moving up to a bigger boat. Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last year, loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to spend much time aboard with my 4 kids. After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a CC 30. Seems to be the right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for our club crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time out on the water. I've read most everything on the CC site, including a bunch of the mailing list archives. Was on a local boat here the other day - getting an idea of the size and space. I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will likely need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the typical issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging etc that can be problematic with any older boats. Any specific advice on things I need to watch for? I have someone I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat for me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale - new diesel in 2000, well fitted out) Thanks in advance for the advice, Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Diesel engine zincs
Calypso's Perkins 4-108 has pencil zincs in the raw (salt) water heat exchangers for the reduction gear cooling and the exhaust. The refrigeration raw water system also has a pencil zinc. The cooling and exhaust systems run the raw (cooling) water through the heat exchangers in an attempt to keep salt water away from the engine block and other expensive to replace parts. The engine block is cooled by anti-freeze circulated through the heat exchanger by the 4-108 water pump and does not have zincs. Look for a bronze bolt head sticking out of where salt water and dis-similar metals spend time together, especially when the engine is off and the water will sit for an extended time. Not all auxiliary engine installations have zincs. Many use raw water throughout. If the MD7 is raw water cooled, in salt water without zincs a careful check for corrosion would be a good idea. Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. David Montgomery Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Diesel engine zincs Howdy all, So my friend picked up an older boat recently with a Volvo Penta MD7 engine. There is no mention of zincs to be replaced anywhere. Evidently the engine's cooling system draws water from out side and runs that through the engine and out again. Given that the boat is in salt water would it not seem likely that zincs would be needed? Your ideas most appreciated! Dave ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Diesel engine zincs
Ditto 3HMF. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 5:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel engine zincs The Yanmar 3gmf on my 35iii does not have any zincs. Even went as far as calling Mack Boring in New Jersey to confirm this Jonathan Indigo 35-III Southport CT -- Jonathan Trade Show Services Cell: (203) 395 0225 www.tradeshowservicesusa.com On Mar 18, 2013, at 18:27, Dr. David Montgomery hedt...@aol.com wrote: Howdy all, So my friend picked up an older boat recently with a Volvo Penta MD7 engine. There is no mention of zincs to be replaced anywhere. Evidently the engine's cooling system draws water from out side and runs that through the engine and out again. Given that the boat is in salt water would it not seem likely that zincs would be needed? Your ideas most appreciated! Dave ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Possible CC 30 purchase
Hello Mark You might want to recheck with the club, I believe the rating on the club crane is about 6000 lbs and from what I see the CC 30 is around 8000 lbs. Also check the height clearance. I previously had an Aloha 27, it was a tight fit. I'm not aware of any 30 footers that get hauled with that crane. That said, the annual big crane launch and haul isn't much of a problem. And I have not examined the numbers, it may be possible. I've sailed on Jeff's CC 30, it is a fine boat and sailed well in what I'd guess was 25 knots. He keeps it at AYC. There are lots of others in the neighborhood. Hope the search goes well. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 BBYC, Halifax On 2013-03-18 4:33 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote: Hi All, I'm new to the list. Just joined up as I'm getting serious about moving up to a bigger boat. Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last year, loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to spend much time aboard with my 4 kids. After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a CC 30. Seems to be the right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for our club crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time out on the water. I've read most everything on the CC site, including a bunch of the mailing list archives. Was on a local boat here the other day - getting an idea of the size and space. I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will likely need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the typical issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging etc that can be problematic with any older boats. Any specific advice on things I need to watch for? I have someone I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat for me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale - new diesel in 2000, well fitted out) Thanks in advance for the advice, Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Diesel engine zincs
Hi Dave Does it have a saildrive? I had a Volvo MD5A with a saildrive, no zincs on the engine - just a big one on the drive leg. With the drive leg being made of aluminum it would be the first to corrode anyway. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2013-03-18 7:27 PM, Dr. David Montgomery wrote: Howdy all, So my friend picked up an older boat recently with a Volvo Penta MD7 engine. There is no mention of zincs to be replaced anywhere. Evidently the engine's cooling system draws water from out side and runs that through the engine and out again. Given that the boat is in salt water would it not seem likely that zincs would be needed? Your ideas most appreciated! Dave ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Possible CC 30 purchase (Dr. Mark Bodnar)
Hi Mark, Just bought a 1975 30 MK1 myself. It had a sagging mast step which I have repaired. The mast is still out and I am fixing and polishing etc to get her launched in the next few weeks. They are pretty sweet boats to my eye. Mine was a bit of a project (mainly the mast step) so it was on the cheaper $$ end of the scale. Sails are in good shape - mast and rigging is like a brick, solid and strong and probably overbuilt. Mine has a fwc A4 that runs well and is easy to understand and maintain. Leaky windows and a plenty of gelcoat cracks - but she is 37 years old. Simple systems with manual pump water, ice box, alcohol stove and oven and some ancient but working instruments. What more do you need for a wonderful weekend with the family? They say they are stiff as a church - I can't wait to get her out in a breeze and see how she does. I sail in the Chesapeake and had a CC 27 in the past - another fantastic boat. Good luck with it and stay in touch - this list is a treasure trove. Joe www.zialater.com Mayo, MD Hi All, I'm new to the list. Just joined up as I'm getting serious about moving up to a bigger boat. Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last year, loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to spend much time aboard with my 4 kids. After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a CC 30. Seems to be the right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for our club crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time out on the water. I've read most everything on the CC site, including a bunch of the mailing list archives. Was on a local boat here the other day - getting an idea of the size and space. I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will likely need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the typical issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging etc that can be problematic with any older boats. Any specific advice on things I need to watch for? I have someone I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat for me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale - new diesel in 2000, well fitted out) Thanks in advance for the advice, Mark ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII
Mine rates 123. It all depends on how your region rates the boat. It does vary. I've seen son 35-3 that rate 117. Ouch! Jake Jake Brodersen CC 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. Bush Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII dang, I knew that comment would get me in trouble! Richard 1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:00 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII Thanks Richard, I'll use that in the PHRF review next week. The 35-3 should rate 132! Tim Mojito 35-3 On Mar 18, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: Jim, thanks; you will find the 33-II as fast as any boat and easily handled; (I don't want to start a war, but I believe the 33-II would hold its own against the 35-III); I was intimidated by the size of the rig at first but I am very comfortable with it now... The hull can handle the stress of the rig; the interior is comfy enough; go for it! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Jim Buschman jimbuschm...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:11 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII Hi Richard. I have a Hunter 25.5 1985. This has been my first boat. I have raced on various boats. Hughs 38, X99, kirby 30. My Brother has a CS30. My choice of boats will either be the CC 33 MkII or a CS 30. I have friends with CC 35 MkIII. Sailed on them last summer. 35 is a lot of boat and I see a lot of single handed sailing in my future. Kids are busy and wife likes to sunbathe. Which is fine, I love to sail. Jim On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: Jim, what boat do you currently have? Richard 1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Jim Buschman jimbuschm...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2013 1:12 pm Subject: Stus-List Info on CC 33 MkII Good Day everyone. I am considering the purchase of a 1985 CC 33 MkII. I was hoping I could get some unbiased feedback on the Pros and Cons of the boat. I am aware of the mast step compression issue and the failing support under it. I understand the process for a fix. Considering these boats have held up for 28 years I have to ask my self : 1. What are the major issues I can expect to deal with for the next 15 years. 2. Can anyone tell me specifically where the cored hull panels are in the bow? Are they above the water line? Even better does anyone have construction drawing on this boat? 3. Given the massive keel on this beautifull Race/Cruiser, are stresses showing up as a result of the forces on decks and hulls ? 4. I live in Leamington Ontario and cannot find any 33 MkII s locally. Would anyone know of the closest one to Essex county? 5. If anyone is up for a phone call and real chat about this I would be thrilled to hear from owners. I would be glad to make the call on my dime. Thank you everyone Jim Buschman mailto:jimbuschm...@gmail.com jimbuschm...@gmail.com 519-980-0811 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 30 purchase
You got loads of good suggestions so far. Depending on the year of the boat and your budget for upgrades, having owned hull #44 for 11 years, I have a couple to add. Raising the boom is a good idea if you are tall. Another option is having the foot of the main cut at an angle so that it can't kill you at the helm (you are gonna end up with a smaller main anyway). Replacing the old roller furling boom with a more modern one might be a nice idea, again depending on what boom you have and your budget. A boom with a winch for a proper reef would be nice. If the traveler is aft, move it forward just in front of the companionway. This will keep you from hanging yourself in a jibe AND since the boom is low, you don't really need a vang but this might help. It's a great boat to single hand, running the main halyard aft was next on my list to upgrade. I was going to leave the winch on the mast so I had the option of working at the mast or from the cockpit. Adding some length and width to the transom to make room for that aft head, aft cabin, and sugar scoop walk through transom should top things off nicely :) Seriously, you picked a great boat! ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List StRe: Possible CC 30 purchase
Antoine, I sure would like to hear more sea stories from Cousin's crossings. I'm pretty sure I own hull #1. There is no evidence of any past extensions installed on the leading edge of the rudder. Of course, that would have been over forty years ago. The rudder has probably been replaced since then. George Hinterholler possibly owned Anchovy? Cool! Gary, gonna start charging royalties! You hang in St. Mikes...you must be rich! Rick Bushie s/v Anchovy, 1971 30-1, Hull 1 Worton Creek, MD Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List StRe: Possible CC 30 purchase
An account of one of Antoine's crossings os on the website. Great read! Joel Sent from my iPad On Mar 18, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Rick Bushie rickbushie...@gmail.com wrote: Antoine, I sure would like to hear more sea stories from Cousin's crossings. I'm pretty sure I own hull #1. There is no evidence of any past extensions installed on the leading edge of the rudder. Of course, that would have been over forty years ago. The rudder has probably been replaced since then. George Hinterholler possibly owned Anchovy? Cool! Gary, gonna start charging royalties! You hang in St. Mikes...you must be rich! Rick Bushie s/v Anchovy, 1971 30-1, Hull 1 Worton Creek, MD Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Possible CC 30 purchase
Mark: Welcome to the list.there is no place that has more first hand information on CC's. In the Fall of 2005, we sold our Kirby 25 and wanted a bigger boat as well. The CC 30 was our first choice. However, we couldn't find one before the beginning of the 2006 sailing season that was equipped and in the condition we were hoping for. A search of Yachtworld turned up a 1984 CC 32 from Racine, Wisconsinwe bought itno regrets. My point is if you can't find a CC 30 that meets your expectations, there are other CC's you could consider depending on your price point. For example, this one was on the list last weekappears like a nice boat for a reasonable price...absolutely no connection with the seller. http://www.freshwaterboats.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?units=Feetid=2545168lang=enslim=brokerhosturl=freshwaterboatsywo=freshwaterboats; No matter what you choose, have a complete survey undertaken before purchase. Good luck. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2013/03/18 4:33 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote: Hi All, I'm new to the list. Just joined up as I'm getting serious about moving up to a bigger boat. Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last year, loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to spend much time aboard with my 4 kids. After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a CC 30. Seems to be the right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for our club crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time out on the water. I've read most everything on the CC site, including a bunch of the mailing list archives. Was on a local boat here the other day - getting an idea of the size and space. I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will likely need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the typical issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging etc that can be problematic with any older boats. Any specific advice on things I need to watch for? I have someone I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat for me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale - new diesel in 2000, well fitted out) Thanks in advance for the advice, Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Possible CC 30 purchase
Graham, I asked Belinda what the max capacity was for the club crane when I started thinking about bigger boats - she told me the max lift is 9000lbs - so the 30 should be fine. I'm trying to stay within the club capacity a)to save the extra expense of the big crane haul and b)makes timing for launch and haul easier rather than being scheduled by the big crane availability. As for height clearance - I'm not sure what I'd be looking at. I know I had a problem with my Mirage 24 on the club crane - the mast was too short and the back stay tangled with the hoist -- I had to remove the stay the one time I lifted the boat with the mast in place. Not sure how the CC 30 would fair in that case, but also not sure if I'd leave the mast up for winter - dropping the mast on the 24 was a 2 person job by hand, I'm guessing the mast on the 30 is a whole lot heavier!!! -- I'll get into those questions with this list later if I have the boat. As for some of the other suggestions. The boat I currently most interested in has a new diesel in 2000 (Yanmar 18Hp) and a new poly fuel tank in 2010. The boat is in salt water (Long Island) - possibly with original rigging. The boat is a 1979 - no teak/holly floor, but the mast should already be a bit higher up and not the roller/reefing style. The current mainsheet traveler position looks difficult (easy to tangle crew, can't use cockpit table under sail and looks hard to sheet in and out from the helm) -- that said is it safe to move the traveler to forward of the dodger? - I'd think that would be a huge change of forces to have it mid-boom rather than end of boom. I'll put the thru-hulls on the list of upgrades if I get the boat, as well as making sure the waste tank is solid. Thanks for all the info. The price on the boat is good (under $16000 US) - but I'll need to get it home from NY - so I'm trying to decide between a professional captain delivery, shipping it or sailing it back myself with a couple buddies. If all looks good when my SailNet contact checks it out next week then I'll be looking into a proper survey - make sure the rigging and engine are solid for trip back to NS. BTW - any thoughts on importing a boat from the US to Canada? I'm assuming I'll just be paying HST on the purchase price (I bought a little bowrider power boat in Boston a few years back - pretty simple crossing to border, just paid HST --- but not sure how it works if I'm sailing home) Mark - Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca - There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 18/03/2013 9:03 PM, Graham Collins wrote: Hello Mark You might want to recheck with the club, I believe the rating on the club crane is about 6000 lbs and from what I see the CC 30 is around 8000 lbs. Also check the height clearance. I previously had an Aloha 27, it was a tight fit. I'm not aware of any 30 footers that get hauled with that crane. That said, the annual big crane launch and haul isn't much of a problem. And I have not examined the numbers, it may be possible. I've sailed on Jeff's CC 30, it is a fine boat and sailed well in what I'd guess was 25 knots. He keeps it at AYC. There are lots of others in the neighborhood. Hope the search goes well. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 BBYC, Halifax On 2013-03-18 4:33 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote: Hi All, I'm new to the list. Just joined up as I'm getting serious about moving up to a bigger boat. Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last year, loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to spend much time aboard with my 4 kids. After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a CC 30. Seems to be the right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for our club crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time out on the water. I've read most everything on the CC site, including a bunch of the mailing list archives. Was on a local boat here the other day - getting an idea of the size and space. I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will likely need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the typical issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging etc that can be problematic with any older boats. Any specific advice on things I need to watch for? I have someone I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat for me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale - new diesel in 2000, well fitted out) Thanks in advance for the advice, Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Possible CC 30 purchase
Nate - thanks for the laugh regarding the spinning prop shaft -- I'll do my best to learn the lesson without actually having to experience it first hand - Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca - There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 18/03/2013 6:30 PM, Nate Flesness wrote: Love my 30-1. Could go on and on about the good stuff. If freshwater, I don't think standing rigging is a weak spot - most freshwater owners seem to have the original 30+ year old "overbuilt" 1/4" ss.stranded and I've asked around but no one reports hearing of one fail. If early model (hull # before about #560...1978 or so) the boom is apparently one foot lower and more dangerous. Other things to watch for are teak and holly floor cosmetics or sag (hard to replace on this model because it is under the salon furniture), spacious lazarettes are open to the spinning prop shaft - lots of possible adventures there (don't ask me how I know - now have added withdrawable plywood panels midships from lazarette space to close in engine/shaft area)... I'd ask for a sample drawn from the bottom of the fuel tank to check for algae... mast wiring was sometimes untinned copper lamp wire (mine was) - even in freshwater boats that can be green powder after all these years... otherwise have a blast - she can take just about anything, more than we who sail her. Nate "Sarah Jean" 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar drbod...@accesswave.ca wrote: Hi All, I'm new to the list. Just joined up as I'm getting serious about moving up to a bigger boat. Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last year, loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to spend much time aboard with my 4 kids. After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a CC 30. Seems to be the right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for our club crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time out on the water. I've read most everything on the CC site, including a bunch of the mailing list archives. Was on a local boat here the other day - getting an idea of the size and space. I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will likely need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the typical issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging etc that can be problematic with any older boats. Any specific advice on things I need to watch for? I have someone I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat for me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale - new diesel in 2000, well fitted out) Thanks in advance for the advice, Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
