Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel

[Martin DeYoung]

Back in my Merchant Marine school days, during a diesel engine maintenance 
class a video was shown detailing what happens when a large displacement diesel 
engine runs away, uncontrolled by the governor as it fed on lube oil through 
the supercharger seals.  Just before it failed (exploded) you could see fire 
shooting out between the block and head.

When attempting to stop a runaway diesel do not place your hand over the air 
intake.  Use foulweather gear or similar sacrificial air blocking material that 
will conform around the air intake.  If you have a Halon (Calypso’s engine 
space has a 7.5lb auto-deploy Halon system in place) or a larger CO2 
extinguisher on board they may be used to slow the engine slightly to make the 
stopping easier.

This sort of failure is rare in small auxillary diesel engines, but more likely 
with turbocharged engines.  If a pleasure boater (power and sail) does basic 
maintenance (do not over fill the lube oil) and every few years calls in an 
expert to check the more complicated systems (especially the injection pump, 
head bolt torque, and turbo seals) the risk of runaway should continue to be 
small.

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle

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Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:16 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel


So let me get this straight:
Run away engine - gonna blow.  Decompress - gonna blow
Sounds like a dammed if you do dammed if you don't.

So don't decompress.  Good to know for the normal "non-emergency" shutdowns.  
I'm still gonna do it when shutting of the fuel and air don't kill the engine.

Thanks for checking me and the books,
Josh

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Stus-List 2013 Northeast Rendezvous

[Robert Gallagher]

Listers,

As summer approaches we are looking for more volunteers to get the word out
on the various forums again.  I have taken care of Sailnet.com.  However, I
don't like the idea of joining another forum just to post once and not
return.

If you are an active member on another major forum like SA, Cruisersforum,
etc.
Please help us!

Please post here when you do so that no one spams forums with duplicate
posts.

Email me directly for a printable flyer to put in your neighbors cockpit.
 I suggest enclosing the flyer and bottle of Macallan 30 year old single
malt in a plastic bag to keep things dry, get their attention, and generate
a friend for life.

Thanks

Rob Gallagher
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel

[Josh Muckley]

So let me get this straight:
Run away engine - gonna blow.  Decompress - gonna blow
Sounds like a dammed if you do dammed if you don't.

So don't decompress.  Good to know for the normal "non-emergency"
shutdowns.  I'm still gonna do it when shutting of the fuel and air don't
kill the engine.

Thanks for checking me and the books,
Josh

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On May 25, 2013 1:20 PM, "Andrew Burton"  wrote:

> Just doing a little light reading of my engine manual (3hm) on watch last
> night and it categorically states not to use the compression levers to stop
> the engine. Apparently, it can cause unburnt fuel to pool in the cylinders
> and cause an explosion.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
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> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On May 25, 2013, at 13:12, "Jake Brodersen"  wrote:
>
> Josh,
>
> ** **
>
> It certainly will slow it down by taking away a large amount of power, but
> I’m not sure if it will stop it or not.  I have not tried to do this.
>
> ** **
>
> Jake
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
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> *On Behalf Of *Josh Muckley
> *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 4:52 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel
>
> ** **
>
> Jake, just for my own confirmation, if an engine is equipped with
> decompression levers.  A run away diesel could be stopped by using the
> levers right?
>
> Josh
>
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> On May 24, 2013 4:33 PM, "Jake Brodersen"  wrote:***
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>
> Steve,
>
>  
>
> The Detroit 4-71 and 6-71 diesels (among others) were two stroke diesels
> that were prone to “run away” when the rings got really bad…  I’ve only
> seen it happen once.  I don’t wish to see it again.  “Look out Captain, I
> think she’s going to blow!!!”.
>
>  
>
> Jake
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
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> *   *
>
> 
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>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
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> Thomas
> *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 9:22 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel
>
>  
>
> City buses around here that were equipped with Detroit diesels had an
> emergency shut off built in that consisted of some sort of flap that would
> block the air supply. Pretty sure it was standard with those engines, but I
> don't know for certain.
>
>  
>
> Steve Thomas
>
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>
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Stus-List Atlantic City transient slip

[Chuck S]

Chris, 
Transient Slip in Atlantic City 
Checkout the marina area on Google Earth to aclimate yourself 

Making landfall; Atlantic City 
Heading south you need to round the outer bouys to clear shoals in front of 
Brigantine. Once in the channel of Absecon Inlet, in a sailboat or trawler, 
stay near center, so speedboats can pass either side, and once in view aim the 
bow of the boat for the center span of the long arched Brigantine Bridge to 
stay near center in the deep, wide channel. You will . You'll come to a channel 
intercection marker with one color on top and one below, turn left and head so 
the smaller red nuns are close on your starboard side. Current can run strong 
here so you may have to crab. You want to stay as far right as possible to 
clear fishing lines from the steel bulkhead on your left, but keep red nun 
buoys near on your left. There is a sandbar beyond the buoys almost up to the 
beach in front of the large Coast Guard station on your right. 

Slip choices: 
1) Turn left into the first lagoon, Gardeners Basin and tie up at the floating 
dock in front of the restaurant. You can eat at Scales, the big restaurant on 
the water, but I'd recommend the Back Bay Ale House located right behind it. 
It's a house turned into a restaurant serving a great 8oz cheeseburger with 
steak fries w Old Bay Seasoning. Ask for the "Cheeseburger In Paradise". They 
have some micro brews that are nice too. I think the burger is $8 but prices 
are the lowest in the area and you can stay tied up, no charge. If it's not 
crowded, you may be able to stay here if you arrive late. Depends on the crowd, 
so I wouldn't try it on a weekend. 
http://www.backbayalehouse.com/ 

2) The city maintains a park at Gardners Basin with about 20 slips, most are 
rented for the season. They may take a transient overnight? They dockmaster's 
name is Roy: 609-348-2880 x12, leave a message and he calls you back. Their 
website states 6ft minimum, but the dockmaster measured three slips for me and 
it's filled in to 4 ft at low tide. 

3) There is a great protected anchorage behind Brigantine, that is worth 
knowing. The way in is only 20 ft wide, but 10' deep. There are wooden stake 
markers marking the channel which takes you close to the marsh to clear the 
beach on the right side. Tides around here are normally 4.5 ft, so with your 
draft you can go almost everywhere at high tide. 

4) Golden Nugget / Farley Marina is the most expensive but most reliable. 
Floating docks, good power, TV, Casino, restaurants, laundry, restrooms, fuel 
dock and pumpout. A little known fact is they offer "courtesy slips" for a 
short stay to go gambling or eat in their restaurants. You can always try this. 
There website sould explain which VHF freq to call. 
http://www.goldennugget.com/atlanticcity/marina.asp 

I usually time a run to Cape May so I arrive there at low tide to clear the 55 
ft bridge across the canal. Then I ride the flood tide all the way up the 
river. 
Atlantic City to Cape May is 5 to 6 hours and same to Ship John Shoal Light 
where the river narrows. You can anchor in the Cohansey if you run in a few 
turns. 



Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -


From: "Chris Price"  

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:26:23 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull 


Thanks, Chuck. By the way, are there any transient slips where you are that are 
reasonable? I'm bringing a trawler down from NY to the Chesapeake next week. 

Chris Price 
Pradel 
35 Mk I 

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Re: Stus-List Splash 2013

[dwight veinot]

7 feet of water is a decent brook around here

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of schiller
Sent: May 25, 2013 8:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Splash 2013

 

Corsair is in the water.  Launched yesterday afternoon.  Made it down the
Black River with no problems.  Never saw less that 7 foot of water.

It is pretty amazing that we set a new low water record in December and are
now only 2 inches below Chart Datum at the end of May.  Our Marina dredged
from 6 foot below Chart Datum to 8 foot below Chart Datum at the docks.  We
pulled out early last year because of a 5200 mile 5th Wheel vacation as well
as the low water and I wasn't convinced until a couple of weeks ago that we
would go in this year.

Put the sails on today and cleaned below.  Tomorrow the interior and galley
equipment goes in and we are ready to go.

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C&C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
Floating nicely in South Haven, Michigan

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Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

[dwight veinot]

Getting someone out is where the life sling comes in handy.I have always
found that the wash from the boat always anything I am trying to get out of
the water away from my reach as I pass by slow or not.I remember making many
unsuccessful passes by an unopened bag of sun chips before we got it back
where we could enjoy them.the effort sort of became a game for us and after
10 or more passes by we were eating sun chips and last year when I tried to
snag my runaway inflatable while single handing I had one huge struggle that
nearly pulled my right arm right out of its socket at the shoulder.but I
caught it and saved a $5000 craft from loss on a rocky uninhabited coastline
near Peggy's Cove

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Sent: May 25, 2013 6:19 PM
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

 


MOB was part of a basic keelboat class I took when I first learned to sail.
We used a J-24 and practiced with a person in the water.  The instructor
allowed us to try several methods but ultimately it was the "Reach and
Reach" or what I learned as "Quick Turn" that seemed most effective.  The
hardest part was always pulling the person out of the water, who wasn't
allowed to assist you.

(About 6 months after the keelboat class, I had the opportunity to ride a
nuclear submarine in the Bahamas.  At the end of the ride, with the boat
surfaced and waiting for us to be transferred back to the island, the CO
decided to run a MOB drill while a young officer was in control of the ship
from up on the sail.  I couldn't see anything from down in the boat, only
hear the orders over the intercom and feel the movement of the boat.  But
the similarity to what we had done in the J-24 was apparent, while the boats
couldn't have been more different.)

I later took a more cruising-oriented sailing class which used a Pearson
303.  Again, I found the quick-turn to be most effective.

I sometimes have passengers on my C&C 25 but seldom have crew.  I operate
under the assumption that in a MOB situation I'm probably going to be the
only one left aboard or at least the only one who knows much about sailing.
Dropping sails, dropping the outboard into the water and starting it, etc.,
just isn't something that will work in my particular case.

I don't consider my boat-handling skills to be particularly great.  When I
see a styrofoam cup or plastic bag in the water out in the bay, if there's
no boat traffic around, I typically take the opportunity to practice my
quick-turn MOB.  Bringing the boat to a stop with the trash alongside is
challenging, similar to a mooring pick-up under sail, but typically I can
reach down and pull the trash out of the water with my hand or a boat hook.
My biggest concern is still how to get the person out of the water.  This
season I will finally have a boarding ladder installed on my transom.  But
if the person in the water is incapacitated, it might be impossible to get
them out of the water if they're not wearing a harness or a life vest with
D-rings.

I'd be curious how others who sail short-handed, or sail the outboard
powered C&C's, plan for MOB.

Mark



- Original Message -
From: Dennis C. 
To: CnClist 
Sent: Fri, 24 May 2013 05:35:57 - (UTC)
Subject: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

Racing season is ramping up.  Time to discuss MOB procedures.  This ought to
be interesting.

 

Here's a couple of reference sites.  Note the different procedures and the
advantages of each.

 



 



 

Note the disagreement on whether to recover the MOB on the windward or the
leeward side.  Also note that one site recommends immediate deployment of
the MOB marker and one site says to deploy it if first attempt at recovery
fails.

 

Which methods do you favor?  Are you prepared?  Does your crew know what to
do?

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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Stus-List Splash 2013

[schiller]

Corsair is in the water.  Launched yesterday afternoon.  Made it down 
the Black River with no problems.  Never saw less that 7 foot of water.


It is pretty amazing that we set a new low water record in December and 
are now only 2 inches below Chart Datum at the end of May.  Our Marina 
dredged from 6 foot below Chart Datum to 8 foot below Chart Datum at the 
docks.  We pulled out early last year because of a 5200 mile 5th Wheel 
vacation as well as the low water and I wasn't convinced until a couple 
of weeks ago that we would go in this year.


Put the sails on today and cleaned below.  Tomorrow the interior and 
galley equipment goes in and we are ready to go.


Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C&C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
Floating nicely in South Haven, Michigan
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Re: Stus-List Fw: C&C 35 MKII

[Glen Eddie]

I agree that south shore is the best bet but I think hmp may have them also.

Sent from my HTC

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From: "Persuasion" 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List Fw: C&C 35 MKII
Date: Sat, May 25, 2013 7:35 pm



HMP in Toronto had stanchions and bases when I need them, but if South Shore 
has them then that is the place to go.

Mike
S/V Persuasion
C&C 37 Keel/CB
Long Sault

From: Joel Aronson
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MKII

Try south shore Yachts iin Canada

Joel Aronson


On May 25, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Spiro Carras 
mailto:spirocar...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I have a 1974 C&C 35 MKII and i want to know where can I get  stanchion bases 
and stanchions with the ring on top and a hole in the middle for the lifelines. 
Also i have a question in terms of the nuts that hold the keel should those be 
tighten occasionally or checked or we should leave them alone. i see  some 
water dripping on the keel  (while on the hard) should i fiberglass around the 
keel to strengthen the bond between the keel and the hull? ANY IDEAS

thanks
Spiro Carras
spirocar...@gmail.com
9174884402
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Stus-List Fw: C&C 35 MKII

[Persuasion]

HMP in Toronto had stanchions and bases when I need them, but if South Shore 
has them then that is the place to go.

Mike
S/V Persuasion
C&C 37 Keel/CB
Long Sault

From: Joel Aronson 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MKII

Try south shore Yachts iin Canada

Joel Aronson 


On May 25, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Spiro Carras  wrote:



  I have a 1974 C&C 35 MKII and i want to know where can I get  stanchion bases 
and stanchions with the ring on top and a hole in the middle for the lifelines. 
Also i have a question in terms of the nuts that hold the keel should those be 
tighten occasionally or checked or we should leave them alone. i see  some 
water dripping on the keel  (while on the hard) should i fiberglass around the 
keel to strengthen the bond between the keel and the hull? ANY IDEAS

  thanks
  Spiro Carras
  spirocar...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull

[Chris Price]

Probably no more than 3' 6" 
Chris Price 

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck S"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:07:07 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull 


What's your draft? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Price"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:26:23 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull 


Thanks, Chuck. By the way, are there any transient slips where you are that are 
reasonable? I'm bringing a trawler down from NY to the Chesapeake next week. 

Chris Price 
Pradel 
35 Mk I 

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck S"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:33:30 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull 


Gorgeous! 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
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From: "Chris Price"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:20:29 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull 



I saw that someone had used flickr to post photos so I thought I'd share a 
photo of Pradel's paint job from last June and the half hull I made earlier 
this spring. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/96279827@N06/8804072631/in/photostream/lightbox/ 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96279827@N06/8814682368/in/photostream/lightbox/ 


Chris Price 
Pradel 
35 Mk 1 

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Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

[Mark G]

MOB was part of a basic keelboat class I took when I first learned to sail.  We 
used a J-24 and practiced with a person in the water.  The instructor allowed 
us to try several methods but ultimately it was the "Reach and Reach" or what I 
learned as "Quick Turn" that seemed most effective.  The hardest part was 
always pulling the person out of the water, who wasn't allowed to assist you.

(About 6 months after the keelboat class, I had the opportunity to ride a 
nuclear submarine in the Bahamas.  At the end of the ride, with the boat 
surfaced and waiting for us to be transferred back to the island, the CO 
decided to run a MOB drill while a young officer was in control of the ship 
from up on the sail.  I couldn't see anything from down in the boat, only hear 
the orders over the intercom and feel the movement of the boat.  But the 
similarity to what we had done in the J-24 was apparent, while the boats 
couldn't have been more different.)

I later took a more cruising-oriented sailing class which used a Pearson 303.  
Again, I found the quick-turn to be most effective.

I sometimes have passengers on my C&C 25 but seldom have crew.  I operate under 
the assumption that in a MOB situation I'm probably going to be the only one 
left aboard or at least the only one who knows much about sailing.  Dropping 
sails, dropping the outboard into the water and starting it, etc., just isn't 
something that will work in my particular case.

I don't consider my boat-handling skills to be particularly great.  When I see 
a styrofoam cup or plastic bag in the water out in the bay, if there's no boat 
traffic around, I typically take the opportunity to practice my quick-turn MOB. 
 Bringing the boat to a stop with the trash alongside is challenging, similar 
to a mooring pick-up under sail, but typically I can reach down and pull the 
trash out of the water with my hand or a boat hook.  My biggest concern is 
still how to get the person out of the water.  This season I will finally have 
a boarding ladder installed on my transom.  But if the person in the water is 
incapacitated, it might be impossible to get them out of the water if they're 
not wearing a harness or a life vest with D-rings.

I'd be curious how others who sail short-handed, or sail the outboard powered 
C&C's, plan for MOB.

Mark



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From: Dennis C. 
To: CnClist 
Sent: Fri, 24 May 2013 05:35:57 - (UTC)
Subject: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

Racing season is ramping up.  Time to discuss MOB procedures.  This ought to be 
interesting.

Here's a couple of reference sites.  Note the different procedures and the 
advantages of each.


Note the disagreement on whether to recover the MOB on the windward or the 
leeward side.  Also note that one site recommends immediate deployment of the 
MOB marker and one site says to deploy it if first attempt at recovery fails.

Which methods do you favor?  Are you prepared?  Does your crew know what to do?
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Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull

[Chuck S]

What's your draft? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Price"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:26:23 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull 


Thanks, Chuck. By the way, are there any transient slips where you are that are 
reasonable? I'm bringing a trawler down from NY to the Chesapeake next week. 

Chris Price 
Pradel 
35 Mk I 

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From: "Chuck S"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:33:30 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull 


Gorgeous! 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
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From: "Chris Price"  
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Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:20:29 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull 



I saw that someone had used flickr to post photos so I thought I'd share a 
photo of Pradel's paint job from last June and the half hull I made earlier 
this spring. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/96279827@N06/8804072631/in/photostream/lightbox/ 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96279827@N06/8814682368/in/photostream/lightbox/ 


Chris Price 
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Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 7-27

[Jake Brodersen]

Chuck,

 

We just go up there to race and drink rum.  I hear there is a nice town 
nearby...but my crew can’t walk very far after a day of racing and a couple 
dozen rum punches.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

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Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

   

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Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 3:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 7-27

 

It's very tempting.  Looks like a great sailing area, w many nooks and crannys 
and sailing spots.

Chuck
Resolute
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Atlantic City, NJ

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Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 7-27

[Chuck S]

It's very tempting.  Looks like a great sailing area, w many nooks and crannys and sailing spots.ChuckResolute1990 C&C 34RAtlantic City, NJFrom: "Jake Brodersen" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:14:30 PMSubject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 7-27Chuck, I don’t have any trouble in Solomons with a 6’6” draft.  I stay at Spring Cove Marina.  Nice, friendly place.  Anchoring out is possible too.  Plenty of water to do that.  The Holiday Inn Marina can be a bit shallow, it’s just a bit further up river from Spring Cove. Jake Jake BrodersenC&C 35 Mk-IIIMidnight MistressHampton VA      From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck SSent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:06 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 7-27 How's the draft around there?ChuckResolute1990 C&C 34RAtlantic City, NJ ___This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com___
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Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MKII

[dwight veinot]

No Russ, please tell me want you know, 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ &
Melody
Sent: May 25, 2013 3:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MKII

 

Hey Dwight,

I will reserve comment about the jerk on the wrench.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1



At 11:16 AM 25/05/2013, you wrote:



Spirro
 
Don’t lock the water in by fibre glassing over the keel joint on the
outside, water from the bilge will always seep down there and be trapped and
especially if temps where you are go below freezing in winter.  I tightened
the nuts on the keel bolts of my 35 MKII a few years back when I replaced
the backing plates with 3/8 inch stainless sheet metal plates I had
especially made to fit.  You will need a deep socket, 1.5 inch I think, a ¾
inch drive and a 3-4 foot long pipe extension on the drive.  Don’t jerk on
the wrench, just an even pull over about a 3-4 foot radius and you will get
very close to the torque you need (350-400 ftlbs) without needing an actual
¾ inch drive torque wrench…if you get one of those you will still need a
pipe extension or some sort of force multiplier to get to the proper torque.
There is one bolt under the mast and another under the sole aft of the
opening for the bilge for 6 in total and if you do torque them down do them
all. If you have washers for backing plates as some boats had I recommend
you replace them with stainless steel plates except for the 2 most forward
ones.  You’re bound to get more advice from this list on doing this like
about using tef gel or other lubes but I did mine without any lubes and I
bedded them under the backing plates with lots and lots of polyurethane
bedding compound which oozed out all around as I tightened the nuts.   I
prefer to do this while the boat is on the hard sitting on it’s keel with
jack stand side supports but I have also done it while the boat is in the
water.  Remember just an even pull on the wrench, no instantaneous loading
with a jerk on the wrench.
 
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
 

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Sent: May 25, 2013 2:12 PM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 35 MKII
 

I have a 1974 C&C 35 MKII and i want to know where can I get  stanchion
bases and stanchions with the ring on top and a hole in the middle for the
lifelines. Also i have a question in terms of the nuts that hold the keel
should those be tighten occasionally or checked or we should leave them
alone. i see  some water dripping on the keel  (while on the hard) should i
fiberglass around the keel to strengthen the bond between the keel and the
hull? ANY IDEAS
 
thanks
Spiro Carras
spirocar...@gmail.com
9174884402
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Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MKII

[Russ & Melody]

Hey Dwight,

I will reserve comment about the jerk on the wrench.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1



At 11:16 AM 25/05/2013, you wrote:

Spirro

Don’t lock the water in by fibre glassing over 
the keel joint on the outside, water from the 
bilge will always seep down there and be trapped 
and especially if temps where you are go below 
freezing in winter.  I tightened the nuts on the 
keel bolts of my 35 MKII a few years back when I 
replaced the backing plates with 3/8 inch 
stainless sheet metal plates I had especially 
made to fit.  You will need a deep socket, 1.5 
inch I think, a ¾ inch drive and a 3-4 foot long 
pipe extension on the drive.  Don’t jerk on the 
wrench, just an even pull over about a 3-4 foot 
radius and you will get very close to the torque 
you need (350-400 ftlbs) without needing an 
actual ¾ inch drive torque wrench…if you get one 
of those you will still need a pipe extension or 
some sort of force multiplier to get to the 
proper torque.  There is one bolt under the mast 
and another under the sole aft of the opening 
for the bilge for 6 in total and if you do 
torque them down do them all. If you have 
washers for backing plates as some boats had I 
recommend you replace them with stainless steel 
plates except for the 2 most forward 
ones.  You’re bound to get more advice from this 
list on doing this like about using tef gel or 
other lubes but I did mine without any lubes and 
I bedded them under the backing plates with lots 
and lots of polyurethane bedding compound which 
oozed out all around as I tightened the 
nuts.   I prefer to do this while the boat is on 
the hard sitting on it’s keel with jack stand 
side supports but I have also done it while the 
boat is in the water.  Remember just an even 
pull on the wrench, no instantaneous loading with a jerk on the wrench.


Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


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To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 35 MKII


I have a 1974 C&C 35 MKII and i want to know 
where can I get  stanchion bases and stanchions 
with the ring on top and a hole in the middle 
for the lifelines. Also i have a question in 
terms of the nuts that hold the keel should 
those be tighten occasionally or checked or we 
should leave them alone. i see  some water 
dripping on the keel  (while on the hard) should 
i fiberglass around the keel to strengthen the 
bond between the keel and the hull? ANY IDEAS


thanks
Spiro Carras
spirocar...@gmail.com
9174884402
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Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MKII

[dwight veinot]

Spirro

 

Don’t lock the water in by fibre glassing over the keel joint on the
outside, water from the bilge will always seep down there and be trapped and
especially if temps where you are go below freezing in winter.  I tightened
the nuts on the keel bolts of my 35 MKII a few years back when I replaced
the backing plates with 3/8 inch stainless sheet metal plates I had
especially made to fit.  You will need a deep socket, 1.5 inch I think, a ¾
inch drive and a 3-4 foot long pipe extension on the drive.  Don’t jerk on
the wrench, just an even pull over about a 3-4 foot radius and you will get
very close to the torque you need (350-400 ftlbs) without needing an actual
¾ inch drive torque wrench…if you get one of those you will still need a
pipe extension or some sort of force multiplier to get to the proper torque.
There is one bolt under the mast and another under the sole aft of the
opening for the bilge for 6 in total and if you do torque them down do them
all. If you have washers for backing plates as some boats had I recommend
you replace them with stainless steel plates except for the 2 most forward
ones.  You’re bound to get more advice from this list on doing this like
about using tef gel or other lubes but I did mine without any lubes and I
bedded them under the backing plates with lots and lots of polyurethane
bedding compound which oozed out all around as I tightened the nuts.   I
prefer to do this while the boat is on the hard sitting on it’s keel with
jack stand side supports but I have also done it while the boat is in the
water.  Remember just an even pull on the wrench, no instantaneous loading
with a jerk on the wrench.

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Carras
Sent: May 25, 2013 2:12 PM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 35 MKII

 




I have a 1974 C&C 35 MKII and i want to know where can I get  stanchion
bases and stanchions with the ring on top and a hole in the middle for the
lifelines. Also i have a question in terms of the nuts that hold the keel
should those be tighten occasionally or checked or we should leave them
alone. i see  some water dripping on the keel  (while on the hard) should i
fiberglass around the keel to strengthen the bond between the keel and the
hull? ANY IDEAS

 

thanks

Spiro Carras

spirocar...@gmail.com

9174884402

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Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MKII

[Russ & Melody]

Hi Spiro,

I got a few old pieces to make a gate from Sidney Sailor Exchange, 
near Victoria B.C. They were expensive, like $18 for base, tube, top & brace :)


There are plenty of old C&C parts in these kinds of places. Maybe 
Minney's in your area or a Victoria area sailor can checks the SSE for you.

http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/

Cheers, Russ
Sweet, 35 mk-1

At 10:12 AM 25/05/2013, you wrote:

I have a 1974 C&C 35 MKII and i want to know where can I 
get  stanchion bases and stanchions with the ring on top and a hole 
in the middle for the lifelines. Also i have a question in terms of 
the nuts that hold the keel should those be tighten occasionally or 
checked or we should leave them alone. i see  some water dripping on 
the keel  (while on the hard) should i fiberglass around the keel to 
strengthen the bond between the keel and the hull? ANY IDEAS


thanks
Spiro Carras
spirocar...@gmail.com
9174884402
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Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MKII

[Joel Aronson]

Try south shore Yachts iin Canada

Joel Aronson


On May 25, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Spiro Carras  wrote:


I have a 1974 C&C 35 MKII and i want to know where can I get  stanchion
bases and stanchions with the ring on top and a hole in the middle for the
lifelines. Also i have a question in terms of the nuts that hold the keel
should those be tighten occasionally or checked or we should leave them
alone. i see  some water dripping on the keel  (while on the hard) should i
fiberglass around the keel to strengthen the bond between the keel and the
hull? ANY IDEAS

thanks
Spiro Carras
spirocar...@gmail.com
9174884402
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel

[Andrew Burton]

Just doing a little light reading of my engine manual (3hm) on watch last night 
and it categorically states not to use the compression levers to stop the 
engine. Apparently, it can cause unburnt fuel to pool in the cylinders and 
cause an explosion.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

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On May 25, 2013, at 13:12, "Jake Brodersen"  wrote:

> Josh,
>  
> It certainly will slow it down by taking away a large amount of power, but 
> I’m not sure if it will stop it or not.  I have not tried to do this.
>  
> Jake
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:52 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel
>  
> Jake, just for my own confirmation, if an engine is equipped with 
> decompression levers.  A run away diesel could be stopped by using the levers 
> right?
> 
> Josh
> 
> -- 
> When security matters.
> http://www.secure-my-email.com
> 
> On May 24, 2013 4:33 PM, "Jake Brodersen"  wrote:
> Steve,
>  
> The Detroit 4-71 and 6-71 diesels (among others) were two stroke diesels that 
> were prone to “run away” when the rings got really bad…  I’ve only seen it 
> happen once.  I don’t wish to see it again.  “Look out Captain, I think she’s 
> going to blow!!!”.
>  
> Jake
>  
>  
> Jake Brodersen
> C&C 35 Mk-III
> Midnight Mistress
> Hampton VA
>
> 
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Thomas
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:22 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel
>  
> City buses around here that were equipped with Detroit diesels had an 
> emergency shut off built in that consisted of some sort of flap that would 
> block the air supply. Pretty sure it was standard with those engines, but I 
> don't know for certain.
>  
> Steve Thomas
> C&C27 MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
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Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 7-27

[Jake Brodersen]

Chuck,

 

I don’t have any trouble in Solomons with a 6’6” draft.  I stay at Spring Cove 
Marina.  Nice, friendly place.  Anchoring out is possible too.  Plenty of water 
to do that.  The Holiday Inn Marina can be a bit shallow, it’s just a bit 
further up river from Spring Cove.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

   

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 7-27

 

How's the draft around there?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ 

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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel

[Jake Brodersen]

Josh,

 

It certainly will slow it down by taking away a large amount of power, but
I'm not sure if it will stop it or not.  I have not tried to do this.

 

Jake

 

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Muckley
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel

 

Jake, just for my own confirmation, if an engine is equipped with
decompression levers.  A run away diesel could be stopped by using the
levers right?

Josh

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On May 24, 2013 4:33 PM, "Jake Brodersen"  wrote:

Steve,

 

The Detroit 4-71 and 6-71 diesels (among others) were two stroke diesels
that were prone to "run away" when the rings got really bad.  I've only seen
it happen once.  I don't wish to see it again.  "Look out Captain, I think
she's going to blow!!!".

 

Jake

 

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

   

cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940

 

 

 

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Thomas
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:22 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel

 

City buses around here that were equipped with Detroit diesels had an
emergency shut off built in that consisted of some sort of flap that would
block the air supply. Pretty sure it was standard with those engines, but I
don't know for certain.

 

Steve Thomas

C&C27 MKIII

Port Stanley, ON

 


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Stus-List C&C 35 MKII

[Spiro Carras]

I have a 1974 C&C 35 MKII and i want to know where can I get  stanchion
bases and stanchions with the ring on top and a hole in the middle for the
lifelines. Also i have a question in terms of the nuts that hold the keel
should those be tighten occasionally or checked or we should leave them
alone. i see  some water dripping on the keel  (while on the hard) should i
fiberglass around the keel to strengthen the bond between the keel and the
hull? ANY IDEAS

thanks
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Stus-List 2013 C&C Northeast Rendezvous

[Stu]

2013 C&C YACHTS NORTHEAST RENDEZVOUS 

Block Island Boat Basin, Great Salt Pond, Sept. 6 -8 2013 
Sign up at: http://www.cncrendezvous.myevent.com/ 
More information at: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ 

$35 per person. Proceeds go to Cncphotoalbum.com and The Maritime 
Museum of The Great Lakes (houses C&C/George Cuthbertson's blue prints.) 

FRIDAY 5PM - Welcome Dock Party 
BYO booze & food. Ice and beer will be provided, grills will be lit. 
Located at the Boat Basin BBQ area just off the main dock. 
Volunteer your yacht or sign up as crew for some Saturday Tomfoolery. 
A great way to show off your yacht or get to sail on another C&C 

SATURDAY 12PM - Saturday Afternoon Tomfoolery Sail 
Depart the Boat Basin at approximately Noon 
Meet at the Red #2 Nun just outside of Great Salt Pond by 12:30PM. 
Sail past Green #1BI and back to Red #2 (about 7 miles total). 
Just some fun around the cans and a great photo op. 
Contest and prizes to be announced, weather permitting. 

5:00PM - 6:00PM Block Island Historical Society Museum Tour. 
A guided tour that includes some of the history of the island's Native 
Americans, early settlers, the sword fishing industry and other themes. 

6PM - Rob Ball Event located at the museum. 
Followed by an informal gathering back at The Oar. 
*Costs of the tour and event are included in your sign up fee. 

SUNDAY11AM - 1:30PM Kayak Tour of Great Salt Pond 
And connected tidal ponds. By Pond and Beyond Kayak Tours 

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Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

[Ronald B. Frerker]

Many years ago at the skippers meeting for the Mac race, the Navy team did a 
video of their suggested method.It looked a lot like the Quick Stall, in that 
the crew who noted the MOB immediately pointed and continued to do so.  The 
skipper immediately turned head to wind no matter what headsail was up and the 
headsail was then dropped.  The turn was continued to return to the MOB and 
then the boat passed MOB, gybed, reached to MOB and turned head to wind again 
to retrieve on the leeward side (or what was the leeward side).Minimum number 
of crew needed, low boat speed on approach and no flogging headsails.  Downside 
is for a double-handed boat; but then there is no good way for that scenario 
except prevention.RonWild CheriC&C 30STL


--- On Fri, 5/24/13, Dennis C.  wrote:

From: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures
To: "CnClist" 
Date: Friday, May 24, 2013, 12:35 AM

Racing season is ramping up.  Time to discuss MOB procedures.  This ought to be 
interesting.

Here's a couple of reference sites.  Note the different procedures and the 
advantages of each.


Note the disagreement on whether to recover the MOB on the windward or the 
leeward side.  Also note that one site recommends immediate deployment of the 
MOB marker and one site says to deploy it if first attempt at recovery fails.

Which methods do you favor?  Are you prepared?  Does your crew know what to do?
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List 34/36r pre-bend

[dwight veinot]

Tim

Do you have any idea what your best sail configuration might be without
those six people on the rail?  I don't often have 6 for the rail or any for
that matter ( mostly just a little lady and me) and in those conditions a
135% headsail is more than enough upwind and maybe a reefed main with furled
135 to say 120 above 20 apparent...the 35-3 may be a stiffer boat than my
35-2 but I would say for sure you must have more than enough sail power with
a 155 at 22 apparent  

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Goodyear
Sent: May 25, 2013 10:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 34/36r pre-bend

Ryan, how are your sails?  Can you set luff tension to get the draft
forward?  Can you achieve extra bend (beyond pre-bend) to depower the main?


Dwight is correct in that mast rake is the first step to a balanced helm,
mainly through forestay length; pre-bend is to stop the mast inverting and
should match your mainsail designed shape.  Tuning as the wind increases
should help your weather helm -  extra mast bend through backstay tension
(and baby stay if you have one), foot flattening through outhaul, ensuring
draft is kept forward in both sails through halyard / Cunningham, adding
twist through sheet / traveler / genoa car adjustments.  On my 35-3, we
should be in max flattened mode at 15-16 knots true upwind (~20-22 apparent)
with a 155% and six people on the rail, feathering up in the gusts, then
changing headsail above that.

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT

On May 25, 2013, at 7:11 AM, "r...@fvprovidian.net" 
wrote:

> I was looking for thoughts on adjusting the mast foot position for pre
bend in the rig. Im 4" aft now 3-4" per bend.  I feel theres still to much
weather helm above 13-16kt.  I believe the XL has the same rig as the R if
theres any one out there?  Thanks,RR
> 
> Ryan Raber
> Scapa C&C 34/36r 1990
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Re: Stus-List On my way. Careful what you wish for

[Gary Nylander]

We dropped the Annapolis to St. Michaels race. Couldn't get around 
motor/sailing a J-80 21 miles upwind with a 2hp Honda yesterday in the rain.

And looking at the weather today, it would be (just started) a more than 
thrilling ride back to St. Michaels. Wow! But, I'm a bit old for that. Maybe in 
Penniless (30-1),  but not on a J-80 - planing is fun, but not for four hours!

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Della Barba 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:39 AM
  Subject: Stus-List On my way. Careful what you wish for


  On way to Annapolis. Almost could not get out of marina. Gusts 25-30 from NW. 
Entrance bar was breaking.  Joe coquina

  Sent from my iPhone

  On May 24, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:


Yep, halfway.  That way guys like Jake wouldn't have to travel so 
far...assuming he would want to make that trip more than once a year for the 
screwpile race.

My wife also suggested Harrington Harbour.  A real nice place, just no town 
to speak of.

What type of place do the list members look for?  Just a place to raft up 
and maybe do a little lap around the cans?  Or a bigger town with amenities and 
things to do and see?

The Holiday Inn in Solomons is also right on Back creek just up stream from 
Beacon and Spring Cove.  They have a pretty swank pool and court yard area.


Josh


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On May 24, 2013 10:40 PM, "Chuck S"  wrote:

  Interesting.  Just checked the charts.  Solomans is halfway down the bay. 
 


  Chuck
  Resolute
  1990 C&C 34R
  Atlantic City, NJ


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  Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 
7-27


  Around Solomons?  Fine.  We have lots of 10+ depths up Back creek and 
Mill creek.  I would suggest the anchorage between Zahniser's and Beacon marina 
or the anchorage just past Harbor Island Marina.  Both anchorages provide 
relatively quick access to the town and most of the marinas.  The public pier 
has a free pump out with public restrooms.  I could research more about dingy 
piers if there is more interest.

  Josh



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  On May 24, 2013 5:06 PM, "Chuck S"  wrote:

How's the draft around there?


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ



From: "Josh Muckley" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:32:07 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 
7-27


Might I suggest Solomons?  It would facilitate participation from 
members throughout the Bay area.  Lots of anchorages and gunkholes and many of 
the area marinas only charge a small fee for use of their facilities.  Great 
walking town with groceries, West Marine, and some pretty decent restaurants... 
Don't forget the world famous Tiki Bar!

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD



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On May 23, 2013 9:57 AM, "Della Barba, Joe"  
wrote:

  I am fighting with our CRYC webmistress to get actual 2013 data up 
there – I’ll let you know as soon as it is up.

  We do welcome anyone that wants to buy our chicken dinner to come – 
racing or not.



  Joe Della Barba



  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Brass
  Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:34 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at 
CRYC



  I recall the conversation about a get together at the Annapolis 
Sailboat Show in October. But I can’t recall if any details were ever firmed 
up. 



  But Joe Della Barba invited us all to the annual regatta at this club 
on the Corsica River (Eastern Shore across from Baltimore/Annapolis). With so 
many of us in the middle and upper Chesapeake, it could be a really nice 
get-together.  



  I’m going to be the bay for a while this summer and am arranging my 
schedule to do the Baltimore Light race 
http://www.cbyra.org/RaceInfo/2012/206/20120728%20-%20206%20-%20CRYC%20Annual%20Race%20Over-NOR_GSI-20120307a%20-%20FINAL.pdf
 and the get together at the CRYC Annual Regatta over the weekend of July 26-28 
 http://www.cryc.org/annual.htm  .



  I want to thank Joe Della Barba for inviting us all to a get together 
at his club, and especially for the help he has given me in getting information 
so I can get registered.



  I’m planning a cruise to the Chesapeake, but will need to dr

Re: Stus-List 34/36r pre-bend

[Tim Goodyear]

Ryan, how are your sails?  Can you set luff tension to get the draft forward?  
Can you achieve extra bend (beyond pre-bend) to depower the main?  

Dwight is correct in that mast rake is the first step to a balanced helm, 
mainly through forestay length; pre-bend is to stop the mast inverting and 
should match your mainsail designed shape.  Tuning as the wind increases should 
help your weather helm -  extra mast bend through backstay tension (and baby 
stay if you have one), foot flattening through outhaul, ensuring draft is kept 
forward in both sails through halyard / Cunningham, adding twist through sheet 
/ traveler / genoa car adjustments.  On my 35-3, we should be in max flattened 
mode at 15-16 knots true upwind (~20-22 apparent) with a 155% and six people on 
the rail, feathering up in the gusts, then changing headsail above that.

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT

On May 25, 2013, at 7:11 AM, "r...@fvprovidian.net"  
wrote:

> I was looking for thoughts on adjusting the mast foot position for pre bend 
> in the rig. Im 4" aft now 3-4" per bend.  I feel theres still to much weather 
> helm above 13-16kt.  I believe the XL has the same rig as the R if theres any 
> one out there?  Thanks,RR
> 
> Ryan Raber
> Scapa C&C 34/36r 1990
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Re: Stus-List 34/36r pre-bend

[dwight veinot]

So I am saying that your forestay is too long, I said tensioning as I
described tensioning it actually shortens the length of the fore stay under
any load.  Shorten the fore stay with 700-1000 pounds on the backstay, go
for a sail to weather in 15-18 apparent adjusting your backstay up to about
2000 or a little more and see how she feels...If still too much weather helm
shorten the forestay more with a couple more turns on the turnbuckle with
the backstay under light load and try the upwind beat again to see how
weather helm has changed.

I have such a turnbuckle adjustment capability on the fore stay of Alianna,
same as on the shrouds but maybe some boats have fixed length, if you have a
fixed length fore stay I would suggest that it is too long, and that when
and if you shorten it you build in a provision for length adjustment.

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
veinot
Sent: May 25, 2013 9:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 34/36r pre-bend

Ryan

This has little to do with prebend but

If you are experiencing to much weather helm I would suggest the top of your
mast is too far aft, try adjusting the turn buckle on the fore stay to bring
the top of the mast further forward, and after making say 2-3 turns of
adjustment try her out and decide if you need a little more tensioning...if
the rest of your rig is setup right you will eventually reach a balanced
helm under heavier wind conditions after which on more tensioning you may
actually have lee helm too much for your liking.

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
r...@fvprovidian.net
Sent: May 25, 2013 8:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 34/36r pre-bend

I was looking for thoughts on adjusting the mast foot position for pre bend
in the rig. Im 4" aft now 3-4" per bend.  I feel theres still to much
weather helm above 13-16kt.  I believe the XL has the same rig as the R if
theres any one out there?  Thanks,RR

Ryan Raber
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Re: Stus-List On my way. Careful what you wish for

[Joe Della Barba]

Hope your headed south!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 25, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> Ill be headed out of Chesapeake harbour arond 2:00. 
> 
> Joel 
> The Office
> 
> 
> On May 25, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Joe Della Barba  wrote:
> 
>> On way to Annapolis. Almost could not get out of marina. Gusts 25-30 from 
>> NW. Entrance bar was breaking.  Joe coquina
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 24, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, halfway.  That way guys like Jake wouldn't have to travel so 
>>> far...assuming he would want to make that trip more than once a year for 
>>> the screwpile race.
>>> 
>>> My wife also suggested Harrington Harbour.  A real nice place, just no town 
>>> to speak of.
>>> 
>>> What type of place do the list members look for?  Just a place to raft up 
>>> and maybe do a little lap around the cans?  Or a bigger town with amenities 
>>> and things to do and see?
>>> 
>>> The Holiday Inn in Solomons is also right on Back creek just up stream from 
>>> Beacon and Spring Cove.  They have a pretty swank pool and court yard area.
>>> 
>>> Josh
>>> 
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>>> On May 24, 2013 10:40 PM, "Chuck S"  wrote:
 Interesting.  Just checked the charts.  Solomans is halfway down the bay.  
 
 Chuck
 Resolute
 1990 C&C 34R
 Atlantic City, NJ
 From: "Josh Muckley" 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:21:10 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 
 7-27
 
 Around Solomons?  Fine.  We have lots of 10+ depths up Back creek and Mill 
 creek.  I would suggest the anchorage between Zahniser's and Beacon marina 
 or the anchorage just past Harbor Island Marina.  Both anchorages provide 
 relatively quick access to the town and most of the marinas.  The public 
 pier has a free pump out with public restrooms.  I could research more 
 about dingy piers if there is more interest.
 
 Josh
 
 
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 On May 24, 2013 5:06 PM, "Chuck S"  wrote:
> How's the draft around there?
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> From: "Josh Muckley" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:32:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 
> 7-27
> 
> Might I suggest Solomons?  It would facilitate participation from members 
> throughout the Bay area.  Lots of anchorages and gunkholes and many of 
> the area marinas only charge a small fee for use of their facilities.  
> Great walking town with groceries, West Marine, and some pretty decent 
> restaurants... Don't forget the world famous Tiki Bar!
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> -- 
> When security matters.
> http://www.secure-my-email.com
> 
> On May 23, 2013 9:57 AM, "Della Barba, Joe"  
> wrote:
>> I am fighting with our CRYC webmistress to get actual 2013 data up there 
>> – I’ll let you know as soon as it is up.
>> 
>> We do welcome anyone that wants to buy our chicken dinner to come – 
>> racing or not.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Joe Della Barba
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
>> Brass
>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:34 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I recall the conversation about a get together at the Annapolis Sailboat 
>> Show in October. But I can’t recall if any details were ever firmed up.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> But Joe Della Barba invited us all to the annual regatta at this club on 
>> the Corsica River (Eastern Shore across from Baltimore/Annapolis). With 
>> so many of us in the middle and upper Chesapeake, it could be a really 
>> nice get-together.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I’m going to be the bay for a while this summer and am arranging my 
>> schedule to do the Baltimore Light race 
>> http://www.cbyra.org/RaceInfo/2012/206/20120728%20-%20206%20-%20CRYC%20Annual%20Race%20Over-NOR_GSI-20120307a%20-%20FINAL.pdf
>>  and the get together at the CRYC Annual Regatta over the weekend of 
>> July 26-28  http://www.cryc.org/annual.htm  .
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I want to thank Joe Della Barba for inviting us all to a get together at 
>> his club, and especially for the help he has given me in getting 
>> information so I can get registered.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I’m planning a cruise to the Chesapeake, but will need to drop the boat 
>> for about three weeks and return home in early July. I plan to leave the 
>> boat around June 28th, and return on

Re: Stus-List On my way. Careful what you wish for

[Joel Aronson]

Ill be headed out of Chesapeake harbour arond 2:00.

Joel
The Office


On May 25, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Joe Della Barba  wrote:

On way to Annapolis. Almost could not get out of marina. Gusts 25-30 from
NW. Entrance bar was breaking.  Joe coquina

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:

Yep, halfway.  That way guys like Jake wouldn't have to travel so
far...assuming he would want to make that trip more than once a year for
the screwpile race.

My wife also suggested Harrington Harbour.  A real nice place, just no town
to speak of.

What type of place do the list members look for?  Just a place to raft up
and maybe do a little lap around the cans?  Or a bigger town with amenities
and things to do and see?

The Holiday Inn in Solomons is also right on Back creek just up stream from
Beacon and Spring Cove.  They have a pretty swank pool and court yard area.

Josh

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On May 24, 2013 10:40 PM, "Chuck S"  wrote:

> Interesting.  Just checked the charts.  Solomans is halfway down the bay.
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> --
> *From: *"Josh Muckley" 
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent: *Friday, May 24, 2013 5:21:10 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC
> 7-27
>
> Around Solomons?  Fine.  We have lots of 10+ depths up Back creek and Mill
> creek.  I would suggest the anchorage between Zahniser's and Beacon marina
> or the anchorage just past Harbor Island Marina.  Both anchorages provide
> relatively quick access to the town and most of the marinas.  The public
> pier has a free pump out with public restrooms.  I could research more
> about dingy piers if there is more interest.
>
> Josh
>
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> On May 24, 2013 5:06 PM, "Chuck S"  wrote:
>
>> How's the draft around there?
>>
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Atlantic City, NJ
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Muckley" 
>> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, May 24, 2013 4:32:07 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at
>> CRYC 7-27
>>
>> Might I suggest Solomons?  It would facilitate participation from members
>> throughout the Bay area.  Lots of anchorages and gunkholes and many of the
>> area marinas only charge a small fee for use of their facilities.  Great
>> walking town with groceries, West Marine, and some pretty decent
>> restaurants... Don't forget the world famous Tiki Bar!
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> --
>> When security matters.
>> http://www.secure-my-email.com
>> On May 23, 2013 9:57 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am fighting with our CRYC webmistress to get actual 2013 data up there
>>> – I’ll let you know as soon as it is up.
>>>
>>> We do welcome anyone that wants to buy our chicken dinner to come –
>>> racing or not.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *Joe Della Barba*
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick
>>> Brass
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:34 AM
>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at
>>> CRYC
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I recall the conversation about a get together at the Annapolis Sailboat
>>> Show in October. But I can’t recall if any details were ever firmed up.
>>> 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> But Joe Della Barba invited us all to the annual regatta at this club on
>>> the Corsica River (Eastern Shore across from Baltimore/Annapolis). With so
>>> many of us in the middle and upper Chesapeake, it could be a really nice
>>> get-together.  
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I’m going to be the bay for a while this summer and am arranging my
>>> schedule to do the Baltimore Light race
>>> http://www.cbyra.org/RaceInfo/2012/206/20120728%20-%20206%20-%20CRYC%20Annual%20Race%20Over-NOR_GSI-20120307a%20-%20FINAL.pdfand
>>>  the get together at the CRYC Annual Regatta over the weekend of July
>>> 26-28  http://www.cryc.org/annual.htm  .
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I want to thank Joe Della Barba for inviting us all to a get together at
>>> his club, and especially for the help he has given me in getting
>>> information so I can get registered.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I’m planning a cruise to the Chesapeake, but will need to drop the boat
>>> for about three weeks and return home in early July. I plan to leave the
>>> boat around June 28th, and return on July 22nd or 23rd  to do the Baltimore
>>> Light race on July 27th and attend the C&C Owners rendezvous at CRYC, so
>>> I’m looking for a spot for the boat that is within reach of Baltimore and
>>> offers some cruising destinations in the area. Something in the area
>>> between Solomons and Baltimore would seem practical..
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Imzadi is a C&C 38. Beam is 12’ and the draft is 5’6”. I belong to a
>>> couple of clubs in m

Re: Stus-List 34/36r pre-bend

[dwight veinot]

Ryan

This has little to do with prebend but

If you are experiencing to much weather helm I would suggest the top of your
mast is too far aft, try adjusting the turn buckle on the fore stay to bring
the top of the mast further forward, and after making say 2-3 turns of
adjustment try her out and decide if you need a little more tensioning...if
the rest of your rig is setup right you will eventually reach a balanced
helm under heavier wind conditions after which on more tensioning you may
actually have lee helm too much for your liking.

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
 

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r...@fvprovidian.net
Sent: May 25, 2013 8:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 34/36r pre-bend

I was looking for thoughts on adjusting the mast foot position for pre bend
in the rig. Im 4" aft now 3-4" per bend.  I feel theres still to much
weather helm above 13-16kt.  I believe the XL has the same rig as the R if
theres any one out there?  Thanks,RR

Ryan Raber
Scapa C&C 34/36r 1990
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Re: Stus-List 34/36r pre-bend

[Chuck S]

Ryan, 
Your sailmaker may be the best source for advice on prebend. He knows how much 
prebend he allowed for in his sail design. How much rake are you starting with? 
You may want to reduce that for stronger winds? My boat originally had an extra 
2" toggle at the bottom of the headstay. In heavy air this was taken out before 
leaving the dock to shorten the headstay length, the rig firmed up by 
additional turns on the turnbuckles. 

I have some advice from Offshore Spars, I'll dig out. I think they rec 3", and 
warn not to exceed 9" I'll find that for you. Meanwhile, check rake. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
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From: r...@fvprovidian.net 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:11:06 AM 
Subject: Stus-List 34/36r pre-bend 

I was looking for thoughts on adjusting the mast foot position for pre bend in 
the rig. Im 4" aft now 3-4" per bend. I feel theres still to much weather helm 
above 13-16kt. I believe the XL has the same rig as the R if theres any one out 
there? Thanks,RR 

Ryan Raber 
Scapa C&C 34/36r 1990 
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Stus-List On my way. Careful what you wish for

[Joe Della Barba]

On way to Annapolis. Almost could not get out of marina. Gusts 25-30 from NW. 
Entrance bar was breaking.  Joe coquina

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:

> Yep, halfway.  That way guys like Jake wouldn't have to travel so 
> far...assuming he would want to make that trip more than once a year for the 
> screwpile race.
> 
> My wife also suggested Harrington Harbour.  A real nice place, just no town 
> to speak of.
> 
> What type of place do the list members look for?  Just a place to raft up and 
> maybe do a little lap around the cans?  Or a bigger town with amenities and 
> things to do and see?
> 
> The Holiday Inn in Solomons is also right on Back creek just up stream from 
> Beacon and Spring Cove.  They have a pretty swank pool and court yard area.
> 
> Josh
> 
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> 
> On May 24, 2013 10:40 PM, "Chuck S"  wrote:
>> Interesting.  Just checked the charts.  Solomans is halfway down the bay.  
>> 
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Atlantic City, NJ
>> From: "Josh Muckley" 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:21:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 7-27
>> 
>> Around Solomons?  Fine.  We have lots of 10+ depths up Back creek and Mill 
>> creek.  I would suggest the anchorage between Zahniser's and Beacon marina 
>> or the anchorage just past Harbor Island Marina.  Both anchorages provide 
>> relatively quick access to the town and most of the marinas.  The public 
>> pier has a free pump out with public restrooms.  I could research more about 
>> dingy piers if there is more interest.
>> 
>> Josh
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> When security matters.
>> http://www.secure-my-email.com
>> 
>> On May 24, 2013 5:06 PM, "Chuck S"  wrote:
>>> How's the draft around there?
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> Resolute
>>> 1990 C&C 34R
>>> Atlantic City, NJ
>>> From: "Josh Muckley" 
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:32:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 7-27
>>> 
>>> Might I suggest Solomons?  It would facilitate participation from members 
>>> throughout the Bay area.  Lots of anchorages and gunkholes and many of the 
>>> area marinas only charge a small fee for use of their facilities.  Great 
>>> walking town with groceries, West Marine, and some pretty decent 
>>> restaurants... Don't forget the world famous Tiki Bar!
>>> 
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> Solomons, MD
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> When security matters.
>>> http://www.secure-my-email.com
>>> 
>>> On May 23, 2013 9:57 AM, "Della Barba, Joe"  wrote:
 I am fighting with our CRYC webmistress to get actual 2013 data up there – 
 I’ll let you know as soon as it is up.
 
 We do welcome anyone that wants to buy our chicken dinner to come – racing 
 or not.
 
  
 
 Joe Della Barba
 
  
 
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
 Brass
 Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:34 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC
 
  
 
 I recall the conversation about a get together at the Annapolis Sailboat 
 Show in October. But I can’t recall if any details were ever firmed up.
 
  
 
 But Joe Della Barba invited us all to the annual regatta at this club on 
 the Corsica River (Eastern Shore across from Baltimore/Annapolis). With so 
 many of us in the middle and upper Chesapeake, it could be a really nice 
 get-together.  
 
  
 
 I’m going to be the bay for a while this summer and am arranging my 
 schedule to do the Baltimore Light race 
 http://www.cbyra.org/RaceInfo/2012/206/20120728%20-%20206%20-%20CRYC%20Annual%20Race%20Over-NOR_GSI-20120307a%20-%20FINAL.pdf
  and the get together at the CRYC Annual Regatta over the weekend of July 
 26-28  http://www.cryc.org/annual.htm  .
 
  
 
 I want to thank Joe Della Barba for inviting us all to a get together at 
 his club, and especially for the help he has given me in getting 
 information so I can get registered.
 
  
 
 I’m planning a cruise to the Chesapeake, but will need to drop the boat 
 for about three weeks and return home in early July. I plan to leave the 
 boat around June 28th, and return on July 22nd or 23rd  to do the 
 Baltimore Light race on July 27th and attend the C&C Owners rendezvous at 
 CRYC, so I’m looking for a spot for the boat that is within reach of 
 Baltimore and offers some cruising destinations in the area. Something in 
 the area between Solomons and Baltimore would seem practical..
 
  
 
 Imzadi is a C&C 38. Beam is 12’ and the draft is 5’6”. I belong to a 
 couple of clubs in my area that have reciprocity through Yacht Clubs of 
 America, in case

Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

[dwight veinot]

Sorry I left out the "not"

 

So:  I know that, just sayin a horseshoe does NOT meet the standard in
Canada so one has to carry a life ring as well

 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
veinot
Sent: May 25, 2013 9:18 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

 

I know that, just sayin a horseshoe does meet the standard in Canada so one
has to carry a life ring as well

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Thomas
Sent: May 24, 2013 11:18 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

 

There is nothing to prevent you from having safety equipment of any type, so
long as you have at least the minimum mandatory equipment on board, and a
life ring is mandatory.

 

Steve Thomas

C&C27 MKIII

Port Stanley, ON

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of dwight
veinot
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:59 AM
To: 'Allen Miles'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

I have a horseshoe as well but I don't believe the horseshoe is considered
adequate by Canadian Coast Guard standards.a fully closed life ring is what
they require although I have never been challenged for carrying the
horseshoe on the stern.I would much prefer as a MOB getting hit in the head
by a flying horseshoe than by a solid polymer life ring

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Allen
Miles
Sent: May 24, 2013 10:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

 

We've practiced this maneuver as part of an Albemarle Sail & Power Squadron
demonstration of the difficulties in recovering MOB. Horseshoe goes into the
water as soon as MOB declared to give helm a more visible target and victim
added buoyancy.  We deploy Life Sling when approaching downwind and steer a
comma course to bring sling to MOB.  If you circle, sling will never
approach MOB.

In four foot waves you'll lose MOB in troughs unless they're close to a
highly visible floating object.  My old horseshoe was bright orange:  Sandy
deposited it who knows where.  New one is white.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima 30-2
Hampton, VA

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Brass 
Sent: May 24, 2013 9:07 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures 

I use a Life Sling with 100 ft of floating line instead of a life ring, but
that said I see no purpose to deploying it with the MOB pole. The boat is
already away from the MOB and moving further away, available manpower is
better used for sail handling, and the float and line would just be another
potential complication when we stop the boat, strike sail, and start the
engine. I'd rather deploy it in an orderly manner as we move back to the
MOB. That way we can stream it behind the boat and circle the MOB to bring
the line and float into the person in the water.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

[dwight veinot]

I know that, just sayin a horseshoe does meet the standard in Canada so one
has to carry a life ring as well

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Thomas
Sent: May 24, 2013 11:18 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

 

There is nothing to prevent you from having safety equipment of any type, so
long as you have at least the minimum mandatory equipment on board, and a
life ring is mandatory.

 

Steve Thomas

C&C27 MKIII

Port Stanley, ON

 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of dwight
veinot
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:59 AM
To: 'Allen Miles'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

I have a horseshoe as well but I don't believe the horseshoe is considered
adequate by Canadian Coast Guard standards.a fully closed life ring is what
they require although I have never been challenged for carrying the
horseshoe on the stern.I would much prefer as a MOB getting hit in the head
by a flying horseshoe than by a solid polymer life ring

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Allen
Miles
Sent: May 24, 2013 10:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures

 

We've practiced this maneuver as part of an Albemarle Sail & Power Squadron
demonstration of the difficulties in recovering MOB. Horseshoe goes into the
water as soon as MOB declared to give helm a more visible target and victim
added buoyancy.  We deploy Life Sling when approaching downwind and steer a
comma course to bring sling to MOB.  If you circle, sling will never
approach MOB.

In four foot waves you'll lose MOB in troughs unless they're close to a
highly visible floating object.  My old horseshoe was bright orange:  Sandy
deposited it who knows where.  New one is white.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima 30-2
Hampton, VA

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Brass 
Sent: May 24, 2013 9:07 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List MOB recovery procedures 



I use a Life Sling with 100 ft of floating line instead of a life ring, but
that said I see no purpose to deploying it with the MOB pole. The boat is
already away from the MOB and moving further away, available manpower is
better used for sail handling, and the float and line would just be another
potential complication when we stop the boat, strike sail, and start the
engine. I'd rather deploy it in an orderly manner as we move back to the
MOB. That way we can stream it behind the boat and circle the MOB to bring
the line and float into the person in the water.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull

[Chris Price]

Thanks, Chuck. By the way, are there any transient slips where you are that are 
reasonable? I'm bringing a trawler down from NY to the Chesapeake next week. 

Chris Price 
Pradel 
35 Mk I 

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck S"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:33:30 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull 


Gorgeous! 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
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From: "Chris Price"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:20:29 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:Paint job and half hull 



I saw that someone had used flickr to post photos so I thought I'd share a 
photo of Pradel's paint job from last June and the half hull I made earlier 
this spring. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/96279827@N06/8804072631/in/photostream/lightbox/ 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96279827@N06/8814682368/in/photostream/lightbox/ 


Chris Price 
Pradel 
35 Mk 1 

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Stus-List 34/36r pre-bend

[r...@fvprovidian.net]

I was looking for thoughts on adjusting the mast foot position for pre bend in 
the rig. Im 4" aft now 3-4" per bend.  I feel theres still to much weather helm 
above 13-16kt.  I believe the XL has the same rig as the R if theres any one 
out there?  Thanks,RR

Ryan Raber
Scapa C&C 34/36r 1990
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