Re: Stus-List Hot water heater

[Dennis Cheuvront]

Fred,

They're called Isotemp SPA models.

Look here:
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|2234308|2234310&id=2357037

or here:
http://www.indelwebastomarine.com/int/products/isotemp-water-heaters/new-spa/

Dennis C.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Frederick G Street wrote:

> Dennis -- what do they call these new heaters?  I looked on their website
> and didn't see anything.
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Gmail  wrote:
>
> Isotemp just introduced a new line of water heaters. Plastic outside but
> retained their dependable stainless tank. Reasonable price. I'm going to
> put one of the small ones in Touché' in the next year or two.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Stus-List CRUISING TIME RAINY DAYS

[Jimmy Kelly]

have never heard it said better as skipper of rainy days.69 or 70 years
old is but a numbereach of us ages differentlycomments about
 preparations,the intercoastal  waterway,   bahamas,   really  are very
much to the pointwe left  great jobs in mid 70s first cruise down
waterway spent near a year away returned..both got great jobs again with
new employers ,  stayed couple years purchased larger cnc.down waterway
 cruised year...returned..2years..employed  best jobs..then left again for
then to west coastcruised  9 years  until finally determined time to
establish a shore base.for  collection  of  items acquired over
years,,absolutelly no regrets , would love to do all again,  even the
really dangerous  moments,interesting side note,very few potential
employers  cared about being away for periods of timeonly interested
could you do the job they wanted done,  money,was always  obtained when
really needed...go ,go,now...take a chance,  it all seems to work out..keep
going rainy days..we are older than you ..& still sailing now
in colder waters...miss east coast seafood  warmer waters  &va.nc sc ga
fla...
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Re: Stus-List Hot water heater

[Frederick G Street]

Dennis — what do they call these new heaters?  I looked on their website and 
didn’t see anything.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 10, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Gmail  wrote:

> Isotemp just introduced a new line of water heaters. Plastic outside but 
> retained their dependable stainless tank. Reasonable price. I'm going to put 
> one of the small ones in Touché' in the next year or two. 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[Frederick G Street]

Andy — I, too, came to sailing late in life.  I took lessons and bought a boat 
when I was 37 years old.  There was no sailing history in my family; it was 
just something that appealed to me in my teens, and I decided I finally wanted 
to give it a try.  Like Steve, the perceived freedom and aesthetic of sailing 
appealed to me; it still does!

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 11, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Andrew Burton  wrote:

> So Steve, what was the impetus to sign up for sailing lessons at 30? With all 
> this talk of "saving sailing," I think the answer to that question is an 
> important one.
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine

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Re: Stus-List C&C 38 or 39 Landfall

[Frederick G Street]

Bob Moriarty on Ox is down there in Jacksonville; Bob, you mentioned this boat 
a couple of months ago.  Have you seen her in person?

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 11, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Bob Caughran  wrote:

> Hi all. The 39 Landfall has me curious.  I have always liked the 38 Landfall 
> and will probably pull the trigger here in the near future.  I currently have 
> a 29mkII that I have loved sailing for the last seven years.  But after 
> several cruises and races offshore, I want to get a bigger boat and put her 
> down on the coast.  Big surprise that the C&C has spoiled me. I single hand 
> most of the time.
> Has anyone seen this particular boat.  It’s price is right in my range, as 
> are several 38s in the southeast.
> Any input would be appreciated.
>  
>  
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/C%26c-Landfall-39-2602489/Green-Cove-Springs/FL/United-States#.UvrWwfRDt8E
>  
>  
> Bob Caughran
> s/v Beemer
> C&C 29 mkII
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Re: Stus-List C&C 38 or 39 Landfall

[Jim Watts]

I have been in one, massive volume. The owner elected to anchor out rather
than try and dock in a crosswind.

I think that sums it up pretty nicely.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 11 February 2014 18:28, Bob Caughran  wrote:

>   Hi all. The 39 Landfall has me curious.  I have always liked the 38
> Landfall and will probably pull the trigger here in the near future.  I
> currently have a 29mkII that I have loved sailing for the last seven
> years.  But after several cruises and races offshore, I want to get a
> bigger boat and put her down on the coast.  Big surprise that the C&C has
> spoiled me. I single hand most of the time.
> Has anyone seen this particular boat.  It's price is right in my range, as
> are several 38s in the southeast.
> Any input would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/C%26c-Landfall-39-2602489/Green-Cove-Springs/FL/United-States#.UvrWwfRDt8E
>
>
> Bob Caughran
> s/v Beemer
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Stus-List C&C 38 or 39 Landfall

[Bob Caughran]

Hi all. The 39 Landfall has me curious.  I have always liked the 38 Landfall 
and will probably pull the trigger here in the near future.  I currently have a 
29mkII that I have loved sailing for the last seven years.  But after several 
cruises and races offshore, I want to get a bigger boat and put her down on the 
coast.  Big surprise that the C&C has spoiled me. I single hand most of the 
time.
Has anyone seen this particular boat.  It’s price is right in my range, as are 
several 38s in the southeast.
Any input would be appreciated.


http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/C%26c-Landfall-39-2602489/Green-Cove-Springs/FL/United-States#.UvrWwfRDt8E


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Re: Stus-List Prop Shaft - C&C 27

[McNamee, Michael]

Peter,
Regarding the Indigo prop – in addition to my C&C, I have another boat, a 
Ranger 29 (6700 pounds empty), with an A4 and the Indigo prop.  I can’t compare 
to the original prop, but I must say the current A4/Indigo combination easily 
pushes the boat along at hull speed through some serious tidal currents.   I 
highly recommend it.   Its performance in reverse is adequate- limited more by 
the A4 than the prop itself.
Mike
C&C30- II Echappe’
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Re: Stus-List Cruising while you're young

[Curtis]

Thats me Dwite. I have the boat hauled getting a thru-hull backing plate
replaced a new paint job on the bottom. I have a nes speed paddle to
install and the transducer for the New Garmin Eco50s. Then I will plan 2
near shore trips in March. God I hope your right about her. Otherwise i'm
going o get very depressed.

Thanks for the encouragement. I think she will come around . She just loves
to sail and is quite the boat owner. She can do any part of the sailing
day. I just don't make her pull the anchor. I still have an old boat, All
hank on sails hoist up anchor. No davits for the dink. So I do all the
hoisting she does all the putting away. we share cooking.
Talk to ya soon,
Curt.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:26 PM, dwight  wrote:

> Tooo much...what would you do with the map in the afternoon...are you not
> free now?  you could live simple if you wanted to, have you got no
> choices...aren't you the guys who's planning that overnight voyage
> soon?...just keep going, she'll catch up somewhere under the stars
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
> Sent: February 11, 2014 5:32 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising while you're young
>
> We are talking Freedom? or service-vs-servitude.
> The whole reason I want to go is for freedom., I want to see and
> experiance the places I have read about and meet other like minded
> folk like us. I want to live simple. I want my stress to be a hung
> anchor with the prospect of suiting up the tank and regulator mask and
> fins. I want to smell the rain. I want to have to reef. The wind is so
> Light here in Beaufort I never get to reef. I want to have fun finding
> light houses and old citys and history exploring. I want to learn
> about nirds. i want to see the wild life . I Dont want to see a car
> for months. I dont want to see a baggy pants high rimed chevy driving
> gettow thug for 2 years. I want to open a can of redbeans and boil -a-
> bag of rice. I want make crazy love to my wife on deck under the stars
> why she is still in d mood.
> I want to make coffee in watch the sunrise every day and take a map in
> the afternoon.
>
>
> I think I can have this for 20 to $25,000 a year. I hope.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/11/14, Dennis Cheuvront  wrote:
> > Here's a site for some great cruising early in life:
> > 
> >
> > Worked for me!  Got to see lots of tropical lands.  Some were even
> > friendly.  :)
> >
> > Dennis C.
> > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
> >
>
>
> --
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> recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but
> the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their
> dreams with open eyes, to make it possible."
>
> T. E. Lawrence
>
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dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with
open eyes, to make it possible."

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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

[Peter Fell]

The Moeller tanks come with the fuel sending unit.  The unit that came with 
mine works fine with the Faria fuel gauge installed on my boat.



-Original Message- 
From: Dr. Mark Bodnar

Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:04 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank


Anyone know if the Moeller tanks already come with a fuel gauge/sensor?
I can buy the kit with the electronic sensor and the return line - but
I'm happy to T the return line into the fuel feed or into the vent line
- but if I need to buy a fuel sensor anyway they I will likely buy the
kit (of course I'll also need an electronic gauge as well).


As for repair or replace - I guess it makes sense as I think about it -
a repair might buy me 2-10yrs - and failure could be a horrible mess.
A new plastic tank will last longer than I will and won't ever be a
point of concern.
Don't think I'll bother having a new custom made aluminum tank - one of
the pre-fab Moeller tanks will work with a bit of effort.

Next time I'm down at the boat I need to do some measurements - make
sure everything will fit and figure out how to fabricate a new base and
maybe fiberglass in some edge frames.

Mark

-
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B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
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  - George Santayana

On 11/02/2014 4:44 PM, Rich Knowles wrote:
Thanks Wal. Other than the heating issue, which shouldn't be a problem as 
the fuel gets mixed with incoming fuel from the tank, many fuel filter 
assemblies have an in port for the return line.


Rich


On Feb 11, 2014, at 15:51, Wally Bryant  wrote:

Yes.  It works fine.




Rich wrote:
Has anyone tried teeing the fuel return line into the fuel feed line 
before the filter?  Just wondering??


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Re: Stus-List When to go cruising

[Stevan Plavsa]

There are indeed many ways to skin a cat.

At this point I'm exploring all of the options, and there are many.

We could sell all and go for broke!
We could rent the house for a year and sail the 32 down (reasonable).
We could sail the 32 down and park it in Florida as Jean-Francois mentioned
(I did consider this as well!).
We could sell the house and live in a boat, here in Toronto until we have
lots of money saved up.
We could rent the house and live on a boat.
We could move the boat up to Georgian Bay and take month long sailing
vacations to the north channel every summer (again, pretty reasonable, I
have five weeks of vacation)
We could move to Halifax (I've brought this one up before, those that sent
me their phone numbers can expect a call because we ARE coming for a visit!)

And more. I won't list them all but know that I'm looking at this with an
open mind.

The more I think about it and the more honest I am with the math, it
doesn't seem like "going for broke" is the right decision. But that doesn't
mean it's off the table either! People have done it! Paul and Sheryl Shard
have done it, Lynn and Larry Pardey have done it and many more. Can we do
it?! That's the million dollar question. Speaking of a million dollars I've
decided that playing the lottery is one of the options at this point :)

Thanks to all who have provided valuable advice and experience, as always,
it's much appreciated.

I think in the short term the thing we have to focus on most is getting
some ocean miles in. I'm signed up on the offshore sailing opportunities
website and I've put my name forward to a few of you already :)

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard  wrote:

> There are many, many ways to skin that cat :-)
>
> I can understand the all or nothing thing,  but if that means compromising
> a marriage, the kids college,  other hobbies (I also own a race car.. but I
> digress),  or your ability to retire early or at all.. There are other
> options..
>
> Personally, I would picture myself eventually trucking "Take Five" over to
> the nearest navigable water way to the coast (Lake Guntersville in
> Alabama), cruise on down to Ft Lauderdale /  Miami area , and berth the
> boat somewhere in the vicinity.  From there I would take vacations on the
> boat and cruise to the BVI's  / surrounding Caribbean islands, perhaps
> finding a suitable marina in the Caribbean and fly there / do some island
> hopping for 2-3 weeks at a time vacations.
>
> This way  I keep my house, my job, see my kids, occasionally blast 'round
> Road Atlanta in my track car,  basically get my cake and eat it too.
>
> One of my (car) racing friends has a 48ft Beneteau First he keeps in the
> Greek isles and 'Visits" on his vacations it seems to work fine for him :-)
>
> Docking fees in South Florida or Caribbean and flying gets expensive?
>  That's peanuts compared to the opportunity cost of zero income for a year
> or more...
>
> My 2 cents
>
> Francois Rivard
> 1990 C&C 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Cruising while you're young

[j...@svpaws.net]

You can absolutely do it for 2,000/month or less.  Lots of people are.  

Drink local beer/rum/crystal lite
Avoid marinas/land activity in any tourist area except as a splurge (BVI, Etc)
Red beans, rice, pork, chicken, local produce and whatever fish you catch
Keep the boat simple, small and low tech
Boat and all debt is paid
Basic insurance
Minimal trips back home
Some kind of health insurance paid - the real challenge for most of us
Skype, email or ssb - no cell or sat phone
For the most part, the further south the cheaper (think VZ)
Good dinghy so you can minimize marinas and anchor

If the above doesn't hinder your dream - go. Take lots of pictures and make 
everyone jealous. (And don't mess with your 401k)

John


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> On Feb 11, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Curtis  wrote:
> 
> We are talking Freedom? or service-vs-servitude.
> The whole reason I want to go is for freedom., I want to see and
> experiance the places I have read about and meet other like minded
> folk like us. I want to live simple. I want my stress to be a hung
> anchor with the prospect of suiting up the tank and regulator mask and
> fins. I want to smell the rain. I want to have to reef. The wind is so
> Light here in Beaufort I never get to reef. I want to have fun finding
> light houses and old citys and history exploring. I want to learn
> about nirds. i want to see the wild life . I Dont want to see a car
> for months. I dont want to see a baggy pants high rimed chevy driving
> gettow thug for 2 years. I want to open a can of redbeans and boil -a-
> bag of rice. I want make crazy love to my wife on deck under the stars
> why she is still in d mood.
> I want to make coffee in watch the sunrise every day and take a map in
> the afternoon.
> 
> 
> I think I can have this for 20 to $25,000 a year. I hope.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2/11/14, Dennis Cheuvront  wrote:
>> Here's a site for some great cruising early in life:
>> 
>> 
>> Worked for me!  Got to see lots of tropical lands.  Some were even
>> friendly.  :)
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
> 
> 
> -- 
> "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but
> the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their
> dreams with open eyes, to make it possible."
> 
> T. E. Lawrence
> 
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Re: Stus-List Cruising while you're young

[dwight]

Tooo much...what would you do with the map in the afternoon...are you not
free now?  you could live simple if you wanted to, have you got no
choices...aren't you the guys who's planning that overnight voyage
soon?...just keep going, she'll catch up somewhere under the stars

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: February 11, 2014 5:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising while you're young

We are talking Freedom? or service-vs-servitude.
The whole reason I want to go is for freedom., I want to see and
experiance the places I have read about and meet other like minded
folk like us. I want to live simple. I want my stress to be a hung
anchor with the prospect of suiting up the tank and regulator mask and
fins. I want to smell the rain. I want to have to reef. The wind is so
Light here in Beaufort I never get to reef. I want to have fun finding
light houses and old citys and history exploring. I want to learn
about nirds. i want to see the wild life . I Dont want to see a car
for months. I dont want to see a baggy pants high rimed chevy driving
gettow thug for 2 years. I want to open a can of redbeans and boil -a-
bag of rice. I want make crazy love to my wife on deck under the stars
why she is still in d mood.
I want to make coffee in watch the sunrise every day and take a map in
the afternoon.


I think I can have this for 20 to $25,000 a year. I hope.









On 2/11/14, Dennis Cheuvront  wrote:
> Here's a site for some great cruising early in life:
> 
>
> Worked for me!  Got to see lots of tropical lands.  Some were even
> friendly.  :)
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>


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recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their
dreams with open eyes, to make it possible."

T. E. Lawrence

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Stus-List When to go cruising

[Jean-Francois J Rivard]

There are many, many ways to skin that cat :-)

I can understand the all or nothing thing,  but if that means compromising
a marriage, the kids college,  other hobbies (I also own a race car.. but I
digress),  or your ability to retire early or at all.. There are other
options..

Personally, I would picture myself eventually trucking "Take Five" over to
the nearest navigable water way to the coast (Lake Guntersville in
Alabama), cruise on down to Ft Lauderdale /  Miami area , and berth the
boat somewhere in the vicinity.  From there I would take vacations on the
boat and cruise to the BVI's  / surrounding Caribbean islands, perhaps
finding a suitable marina in the Caribbean and fly there / do some island
hopping for 2-3 weeks at a time vacations.

This way  I keep my house, my job, see my kids, occasionally blast 'round
Road Atlanta in my track car,  basically get my cake and eat it too.

One of my (car) racing friends has a 48ft Beneteau First he keeps in the
Greek isles and 'Visits" on his vacations it seems to work fine for him :-)

Docking fees in South Florida or Caribbean and flying gets expensive?
That's peanuts compared to the opportunity cost of zero income for a year
or more...

My 2 cents

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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

[Ed Levert]

Mark

Then Moeller tanks come with a sending (sensor) unit included. The return line 
was plumbed to the vent line before I bought the boat.

Ed
C&C 34 Briar Patch
New Orleans, La.  


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Stus-List when to go cruising

[Robert Boyer]

This subject is very close to me but in a different way and I probably have a 
different perspective because of my age.  I am now 66 and in good physical 
condition.  Last year, I began a 30-year retrofit of my Landfall 38 for 
cruising to the Bahamas in the fall of 2016--I'll be 69 years old at the time I 
leave.  I can't predict what my health situation will be like in 2016 or 
anytime for that matter and I can't worry about it.  I have taken off for 6 
months 20 years ago and cruised to the Bahamas and back (from Annapolis).  So, 
I have done the short term cruising that some here have talked about--I do 
strongly recommend this for anyone at any stage in their life.

As far as pouring a lot of money into your boat and never getting the chance to 
go anywhere (like someone brought up here), for me, "messing about in boats" is 
as enjoyable as cruising somewhere--its all part of the journey, viewed from a 
wider perspective.  If I die from a heart attack just a few months before we 
are supposed to leave for the Bahamas, I still had lots of fun retrofitting my 
boat and would find peace with that.  Whether by cancer, a car accident, or 
whatever, we can all die at any time.  We have to do what we love to do and 
hope that we can live long enough to do much more of it.  Others may not find 
the pleasure that I do by simply messing around my boat and I can understand 
their need to cruise somewhere to get this pleasure.  We are all different.

From the 6-month cruise I did a long time ago, I can assure you that it is not 
all palm trees and hammocks and beaches.  A lot of cruising is doing simply 
tasks (like doing laundry) in exotic locations.  Even though the Bahamas are 
beautiful, I never found a place that I considered "paradise" and wanted to 
stay the rest of my life.  There are all kinds of compromises to places like 
there are for boats.  For this reason, I think the wider journey (retrofitting 
your boat, traveling up and down the ICW, etc. are all as valuable as any 
cruising destination could be.

Most of my life I have owned a business.  When I took off for 6 months, I 
thought I would just resume when I returned but the business was in shambles 
and I had to rebuild it.  So, leaving in the middle of your life and returning 
has its consequences.  As Wally says, we are all "revenue generators" here at 
home.  The time to take off cruising permanently, in my opinion, is when you 
are young (in your 20's) or when you retire in your 60's.  

I don't know if what I have added to this discussion is of value or not--I am 
just one person with my own opinions.


Bob Boyer
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

[Dr. Mark Bodnar]

Anyone know if the Moeller tanks already come with a fuel gauge/sensor?
I can buy the kit with the electronic sensor and the return line - but 
I'm happy to T the return line into the fuel feed or into the vent line 
- but if I need to buy a fuel sensor anyway they I will likely buy the 
kit (of course I'll also need an electronic gauge as well).



As for repair or replace - I guess it makes sense as I think about it - 
a repair might buy me 2-10yrs - and failure could be a horrible mess.
A new plastic tank will last longer than I will and won't ever be a 
point of concern.
Don't think I'll bother having a new custom made aluminum tank - one of 
the pre-fab Moeller tanks will work with a bit of effort.


Next time I'm down at the boat I need to do some measurements - make 
sure everything will fit and figure out how to fabricate a new base and 
maybe fiberglass in some edge frames.


Mark

-
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B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana

On 11/02/2014 4:44 PM, Rich Knowles wrote:

Thanks Wal. Other than the heating issue, which shouldn't be a problem as the 
fuel gets mixed with incoming fuel from the tank, many fuel filter assemblies 
have an in port for the return line.

Rich


On Feb 11, 2014, at 15:51, Wally Bryant  wrote:

Yes.  It works fine.




Rich wrote:

Has anyone tried teeing the fuel return line into the fuel feed line before the 
filter?  Just wondering??


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Re: Stus-List Cruising while you're young

[Curtis]

We are talking Freedom? or service-vs-servitude.
The whole reason I want to go is for freedom., I want to see and
experiance the places I have read about and meet other like minded
folk like us. I want to live simple. I want my stress to be a hung
anchor with the prospect of suiting up the tank and regulator mask and
fins. I want to smell the rain. I want to have to reef. The wind is so
Light here in Beaufort I never get to reef. I want to have fun finding
light houses and old citys and history exploring. I want to learn
about nirds. i want to see the wild life . I Dont want to see a car
for months. I dont want to see a baggy pants high rimed chevy driving
gettow thug for 2 years. I want to open a can of redbeans and boil -a-
bag of rice. I want make crazy love to my wife on deck under the stars
why she is still in d mood.
I want to make coffee in watch the sunrise every day and take a map in
the afternoon.


I think I can have this for 20 to $25,000 a year. I hope.









On 2/11/14, Dennis Cheuvront  wrote:
> Here's a site for some great cruising early in life:
> 
>
> Worked for me!  Got to see lots of tropical lands.  Some were even
> friendly.  :)
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>


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recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their
dreams with open eyes, to make it possible."

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Stus-List Cruising while you're young

[Dennis Cheuvront]

Here's a site for some great cruising early in life:  

Worked for me!  Got to see lots of tropical lands.  Some were even
friendly.  :)

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[Stevan Plavsa]

Hi Andrew,

The promise of freedom, the romantic idea that a person could set sail and
be totally reliant on themselves and go anywhere in the world. At 23 I rode
a 30hp motorcycle across the country to the west coast on my own with a
tent and a sleeping bag. I was hooked. I thought I was hooked on
motorcycles but after a few years doing laps on racetracks and avoiding the
police in the city I was burned out (I still dream of wheelies on the
regular though).Turns out I was more into traveling and relying on myself.
Sailing promised all of that and more. And like you said earlier on, there
is so much to learn I'm never going to run out of things to learn about.
Racing is cool and all and I wish I had gotten into sailing earlier in my
life but alas I did not. I think I'm a cruiser at heart, a romantic
dreamer, a wannabe Jack London. I loved traveling through the prairies on
my own. My friends all told me to fly, that it would be boring. It turns
out I liked the trip more than the destination.

And there's nothing more graceful and emotionally powerful than a yacht
under full sail. I studied fine art, I know a thing of beauty when I see it
lol! (that's the only useful thing I learned in my 4 years of bank
sponsored Art School, how to see).

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Andrew Burton wrote:

> So Steve, what was the impetus to sign up for sailing lessons at 30? With
> all this talk of "saving sailing," I think the answer to that question is
> an important one.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>
>> You lost me at "I was born on a boat in New Zealand. I lived my first
>> five years at sea".
>>
>> Sorry, I can't relate to that, even a little.
>>
>> I lived my first five years in Serbia. Growing up an immigrant in Canada
>> to immigrant parents and all that entails. Sailing was something only the
>> privileged did. I never even considered it an option! I didn't even have
>> friends that sailed! I took a leap and signed myself up for sailing lessons
>> at the ripe old age of thirty... but there's hope for me yet, that's when
>> Derek Hatfield got started too :)
>>
>> I think some people grow up around sailing and more importantly,
>> *sailors*. Others don't. It takes the latter group quite a while to
>> catch up to the former. Money plays a big role too, with money anything's
>> possible, even a 13 year old sailing around the world. In other words, she
>> had all the right ingredients to make that happen, without money, none of
>> it would have. It can be a show stopper and that's a reality that many live
>> with.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Richard N. Bush wrote:
>>
>>> All this talk about when to go; there's a striking clip of Laura Dekker
>>> in this month's sailing World, which is exactly on point; she make us guys
>>> look like pikers.open the video and just listen to what she says, it
>>> worth the effort
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.sailingworld.com/blogs/news/best-sailing-movie-ever-take-two?cmpid=enews021114&spPodID=030&spMailingID=19541142&spJobID=260694143&spReportId=MjYwNjk0MTQzS0
>>>
>>>  Richard
>>> 1985 37 CB;
>>>
>>> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
>>> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
>>> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
>>> 502-584-7255
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JK2 
>>> To: cnc-list 
>>> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:44 pm
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List when to go cruising
>>>
>>> Curt:
>>>
>>> You can always pull it off.  You would be astounded by what some people are
>>> cruising in and for how little (especially the French).  With that said - 
>>> if it
>>> were easy everyone would do it.
>>>
>>> The best way to plan is to take the word cruise out of it.  Too personal.  
>>> What
>>> would you do if you lost your job tomorrow and knew you would be unemployed 
>>> for
>>> 1-2 years? What changes would you make to your budget?  We found our overall
>>> budget changed very little when cruising.  It was just spent differently.  
>>> Also
>>> how, where and what you cruise will often determine cost.
>>>
>>> Rental income while cruising (net of the two) - a huge plus
>>> Don't hit the 401k
>>> Working while cruising - possible but a lot of people try to do that.  
>>> Special
>>> skills are useful.  Consult for your current company?
>>>
>>> Why not try a shorter cruise first - maybe just a year.  You'll have a much
>>> better sense of what it's all about and know if both you and your wife want 
>>> the
>>> lifestyle.  A lot of people hate it very quickly.  Can you take a sabbatical
>>> from work?  Can you take several weeks vacation in the winter?
>>>
>>> Don't get hung up on going forever.
>>>
>>> pm me if you like - advice is free and worth every cent.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> > On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Curtis  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the support guys. I have a great little boat in the "East
>>> >

Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[Andrew Burton]

So Steve, what was the impetus to sign up for sailing lessons at 30? With
all this talk of "saving sailing," I think the answer to that question is
an important one.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

> You lost me at "I was born on a boat in New Zealand. I lived my first five
> years at sea".
>
> Sorry, I can't relate to that, even a little.
>
> I lived my first five years in Serbia. Growing up an immigrant in Canada
> to immigrant parents and all that entails. Sailing was something only the
> privileged did. I never even considered it an option! I didn't even have
> friends that sailed! I took a leap and signed myself up for sailing lessons
> at the ripe old age of thirty... but there's hope for me yet, that's when
> Derek Hatfield got started too :)
>
> I think some people grow up around sailing and more importantly, *sailors*.
> Others don't. It takes the latter group quite a while to catch up to the
> former. Money plays a big role too, with money anything's possible, even a
> 13 year old sailing around the world. In other words, she had all the right
> ingredients to make that happen, without money, none of it would have. It
> can be a show stopper and that's a reality that many live with.
>
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Richard N. Bush wrote:
>
>> All this talk about when to go; there's a striking clip of Laura Dekker
>> in this month's sailing World, which is exactly on point; she make us guys
>> look like pikers.open the video and just listen to what she says, it
>> worth the effort
>>
>>
>> http://www.sailingworld.com/blogs/news/best-sailing-movie-ever-take-two?cmpid=enews021114&spPodID=030&spMailingID=19541142&spJobID=260694143&spReportId=MjYwNjk0MTQzS0
>>
>>  Richard
>> 1985 37 CB;
>>
>> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
>> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
>> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
>> 502-584-7255
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JK2 
>> To: cnc-list 
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:44 pm
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List when to go cruising
>>
>> Curt:
>>
>> You can always pull it off.  You would be astounded by what some people are
>> cruising in and for how little (especially the French).  With that said - if 
>> it
>> were easy everyone would do it.
>>
>> The best way to plan is to take the word cruise out of it.  Too personal.  
>> What
>> would you do if you lost your job tomorrow and knew you would be unemployed 
>> for
>> 1-2 years? What changes would you make to your budget?  We found our overall
>> budget changed very little when cruising.  It was just spent differently.  
>> Also
>> how, where and what you cruise will often determine cost.
>>
>> Rental income while cruising (net of the two) - a huge plus
>> Don't hit the 401k
>> Working while cruising - possible but a lot of people try to do that.  
>> Special
>> skills are useful.  Consult for your current company?
>>
>> Why not try a shorter cruise first - maybe just a year.  You'll have a much
>> better sense of what it's all about and know if both you and your wife want 
>> the
>> lifestyle.  A lot of people hate it very quickly.  Can you take a sabbatical
>> from work?  Can you take several weeks vacation in the winter?
>>
>> Don't get hung up on going forever.
>>
>> pm me if you like - advice is free and worth every cent.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Curtis  wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks for the support guys. I have a great little boat in the "East
>> > Coast lady"  the problem is, we had a plan to leave in a 5 year time
>> > frame and now the last daughter has been excepted to the university of
>> > South Carolina and "Mama" thinks we should pay for it out of our
>> > 401-K. I don't know how to fix this one! I think it will change the
>> > dynamics of the relationship of the cruise. We may not be able to
>> > retire early or at all for that matter. I had a plan to leave in 2018
>> > or 2019 at the age of 55. That would give me 5 years to cruise and
>> > make our way by savings and side work. We also will have 2 rental
>> > properties.
>> >The daughter's school will set us way back on the time frame. Do you
>> > have any advice on how to overcome this hurdle?  It could this costing
>> > us at least a 3 year cruising kitty. It's not that I don't want to
>> > send my girl to a good school.  I will just have to give up my 40 year
>> > dream to do it? Your post just made this a little real for me. I did
>> > not mean to spat off.
>> > So Here is the lay out.
>> > 1) Primary resident $205,000 very good rentable property "was planning
>> > to rent when we sail"
>> > 2) Rental property paid off $85,000 collecting $725.00 a month "Will
>> > continue to rent when we sail"
>> > 3) Rental property $95,000 rented but not enough to cover mortgage.
>> > "Will sell for a loss"
>> > 4) $300,586.58 in $401-K can't touch till age 62 without penalty.
>> > 'Start collecting after 5 year sail"
>> > 5)

Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

[Rich Knowles]

Thanks Wal. Other than the heating issue, which shouldn't be a problem as the 
fuel gets mixed with incoming fuel from the tank, many fuel filter assemblies 
have an in port for the return line. 

Rich

> On Feb 11, 2014, at 15:51, Wally Bryant  wrote:
> 
> Yes.  It works fine.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rich wrote:
>> Has anyone tried teeing the fuel return line into the fuel feed line before 
>> the filter?  Just wondering??
> 
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Re: Stus-List when to go cruising - financing it

[Rick Brass]

For starters, some basic advice:

DON'T TOUCH YOUR 401K!

If you think about the tax penalties for early withdrawal, 
the tax penalties of declaring a sizable chunk of additional income (which
raises the rate on your total income, including what you make at your job), 
and the loss of return from the money you take out of the 401K (which,
unless you are very risk averse or very bad at managing the investment
account) is quite a bit higher than the current interest rate for a student
loan, or for a second mortgage on your house,
you will decide there are much better alternatives for financing your
daughter's college.

Call me a hard ass if you will, but all three of my daughters had to work to
pay for a portion of their education. If it is your own sweat and money
paying for school, you get really focused on what you are doing and what you
want to be when you grow up.

My ex and I both had experience with friends and relatives who went to
college on the "Daddy, my checkbook is empty" Scholarship plan. Her sister
spent 6 years getting a bachelors degree in Art Appreciation - you know, the
one where they teach you to say "Would you like fries with that?" with very
good taste. We agreed that our girls could go anywhere and study anything,
but they had to pay 10% of the bill out of their own pocket.

My middle kid got a BS in biochemistry in 3 years (while working part time),
figured out that if you get a Masters Degree you pay the college, but if you
go straight for a PhD they pay you as a teaching assistant or lab assistant
and waive the tuition costs (her income from the college paid her fees and
books with some left over, so she got a PhD in Molecular Biochemistry at
essentially no charge) and based on her work toward the PhD, she got a
scholarship to med school. The youngest daughter (who is much smarter than
her old man) managed to get a scholarship that paid her expenses for med
school. And my oldest left school to work for a while, and elected to pay
for her last 1 1/2 years of business school herself.

I'm sure all my kids would have grown up to be successes, but I'm also
convinced that the incentive of paying for college focused their plans and
efforts.

Now, just what does it cost to go cruising? Basically it will cost what you
have available to spend. I have met cruising couples who live what I
consider a pretty frugal existence on a 32 foot boat - on a budget of about
$20k per year. Almost always anchored out, not a lot of on shore meals, and
not a lot of exploring and entertainment. At the other end of the spectrum
is a couple on a 58 foot Nordhaven trawler that have an electric car on deck
they can set on the shore (with a dedicated davit) at whatever marina they
are staying in. Their budget is upwards of $100k per year. My own plans are
structured for an income about $3k per month - and I think I will be quite
content and comfortable.

Don't give up your 5-year plan. You MIGHT need to adjust it... that's why it
is called a plan. And I'm sure one of th elisters who doesn't suffer from
oldtimer's disease can correct the quote and cite the source, but the saying
goes: "Go small, go cheap, go young!"

Rick Brass

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

Thanks for the support guys. I have a great little boat in the "East Coast
lady"  the problem is, we had a plan to leave in a 5 year time frame and now
the last daughter has been excepted to the university of South Carolina and
"Mama" thinks we should pay for it out of our 401-K. I don't know how to fix
this one! I think it will change the dynamics of the relationship of the
cruise. We may not be able to retire early or at all for that matter. I had
a plan to leave in 2018 or 2019 at the age of 55. That would give me 5 years
to cruise and make our way by savings and side work. We also will have 2
rental properties.
The daughter's school will set us way back on the time frame. Do you
have any advice on how to overcome this hurdle?  It could this costing us at
least a 3 year cruising kitty. It's not that I don't want to send my girl to
a good school.  I will just have to give up my 40 year dream to do it? Your
post just made this a little real for me. I did not mean to spat off.




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Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[Marek Dziedzic]

Steve,

I cannot speak of my own experience, but...

A couple of years ago in Killarney (on Georgian Bay) I met a couple who cruised 
in the Caribbean for 12 years. They started early, so when they reached around 
50-55, they decided to settle down. They sold the boat and returned to Ontario. 
They were working some odd jobs, writing books etc. But the most interesting 
fact was that their needs after the 12 years out there changed completely. The 
biggest change – the house. They built a new house for themselves on a 15 acres 
property near Marmora; the house is all of 350 sq.ft. When asked how they could 
live in such a small place, they pointed to the size of the boat on which they 
lived for 12 years (it was a 40 footer).

I am simply saying that your needs will (most likely) change after you decide 
to stop cruising, so worrying about what happens after the 5 years won’t help. 
If anything, it would delay you departure.

Marek

> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
> 
> Thanks all.
> 
> What I've noticed is that it seems there are many that plan and wait and save 
> and plan, and then never go. I've lost family and friends to cancer, I'm sure 
> everyone has and that scares me more than anything; not being able to live 
> long enough to really have some experiences and more importantly, to see what 
> happens next! Maybe I'm missing the point? Maybe the point is to have kids 
> and settle down. Maybe if I have kids I'll settle down and become 
> 'realistic'. Probably not. If we do this, it's an all or nothing affair. 
> Truth be told that scares me. I'm a lucky SOB to be where I am in life with a 
> house, a wonderful partner and a good job. I'll be "throwing" away two of 
> those things but really making a whole lot more room in my life for the third 
> :)
> 
> Finding another job when/if we come back is the main worry. In my field 
> things change very quickly. I guess they do for everyone these days. Has 
> anyone gone cruising for a few years and returned to life and work? How was 
> THAT transition? I'm fairly confident I can get used to living on a boat in 
> the tropics ... coming back is another matter. How do employers look at you 
> when you answer the question "what have you been doing for the past five 
> years" and you say "sailing"? 
> 
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

[Wally Bryant]

That's a good idea. Why didn't you mention that ten years ago?

Joe Della Barba wrote:

Nah – you T the fuel return to the vent line. 


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Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[Stevan Plavsa]

You lost me at "I was born on a boat in New Zealand. I lived my first five
years at sea".

Sorry, I can't relate to that, even a little.

I lived my first five years in Serbia. Growing up an immigrant in Canada to
immigrant parents and all that entails. Sailing was something only the
privileged did. I never even considered it an option! I didn't even have
friends that sailed! I took a leap and signed myself up for sailing lessons
at the ripe old age of thirty... but there's hope for me yet, that's when
Derek Hatfield got started too :)

I think some people grow up around sailing and more importantly, *sailors*.
Others don't. It takes the latter group quite a while to catch up to the
former. Money plays a big role too, with money anything's possible, even a
13 year old sailing around the world. In other words, she had all the right
ingredients to make that happen, without money, none of it would have. It
can be a show stopper and that's a reality that many live with.


Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Richard N. Bush  wrote:

> All this talk about when to go; there's a striking clip of Laura Dekker in
> this month's sailing World, which is exactly on point; she make us guys
> look like pikers.open the video and just listen to what she says, it
> worth the effort
>
>
> http://www.sailingworld.com/blogs/news/best-sailing-movie-ever-take-two?cmpid=enews021114&spPodID=030&spMailingID=19541142&spJobID=260694143&spReportId=MjYwNjk0MTQzS0
>
>  Richard
> 1985 37 CB;
>
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JK2 
> To: cnc-list 
> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:44 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List when to go cruising
>
> Curt:
>
> You can always pull it off.  You would be astounded by what some people are
> cruising in and for how little (especially the French).  With that said - if 
> it
> were easy everyone would do it.
>
> The best way to plan is to take the word cruise out of it.  Too personal.  
> What
> would you do if you lost your job tomorrow and knew you would be unemployed 
> for
> 1-2 years? What changes would you make to your budget?  We found our overall
> budget changed very little when cruising.  It was just spent differently.  
> Also
> how, where and what you cruise will often determine cost.
>
> Rental income while cruising (net of the two) - a huge plus
> Don't hit the 401k
> Working while cruising - possible but a lot of people try to do that.  Special
> skills are useful.  Consult for your current company?
>
> Why not try a shorter cruise first - maybe just a year.  You'll have a much
> better sense of what it's all about and know if both you and your wife want 
> the
> lifestyle.  A lot of people hate it very quickly.  Can you take a sabbatical
> from work?  Can you take several weeks vacation in the winter?
>
> Don't get hung up on going forever.
>
> pm me if you like - advice is free and worth every cent.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Curtis  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the support guys. I have a great little boat in the "East
> > Coast lady"  the problem is, we had a plan to leave in a 5 year time
> > frame and now the last daughter has been excepted to the university of
> > South Carolina and "Mama" thinks we should pay for it out of our
> > 401-K. I don't know how to fix this one! I think it will change the
> > dynamics of the relationship of the cruise. We may not be able to
> > retire early or at all for that matter. I had a plan to leave in 2018
> > or 2019 at the age of 55. That would give me 5 years to cruise and
> > make our way by savings and side work. We also will have 2 rental
> > properties.
> >The daughter's school will set us way back on the time frame. Do you
> > have any advice on how to overcome this hurdle?  It could this costing
> > us at least a 3 year cruising kitty. It's not that I don't want to
> > send my girl to a good school.  I will just have to give up my 40 year
> > dream to do it? Your post just made this a little real for me. I did
> > not mean to spat off.
> > So Here is the lay out.
> > 1) Primary resident $205,000 very good rentable property "was planning
> > to rent when we sail"
> > 2) Rental property paid off $85,000 collecting $725.00 a month "Will
> > continue to rent when we sail"
> > 3) Rental property $95,000 rented but not enough to cover mortgage.
> > "Will sell for a loss"
> > 4) $300,586.58 in $401-K can't touch till age 62 without penalty.
> > 'Start collecting after 5 year sail"
> > 5) Savings $15,000 roughly.
> > 6) Both the wife and I are fully vested in the SS program.
> > Not sure how to pull this off.  Very disheartened
> >
> >>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

[Wally Bryant]

Yes.  It works fine.




Rich wrote:

Has anyone tried teeing the fuel return line into the fuel feed line before the 
filter?  Just wondering??



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Re: Stus-List [Bulk] C&C 30 MK1 forward hatch replacement

[David Drake]

Try Atkins and Hoyle ,they rebuild hatches and will sell you the gasket and the 
glue

DDrake 
73 JH 
C&C 26

> On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:57 PM,  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> Does anyone know where a replacement forward hatch for a C&C 30 MK1 can be
> located? I've searched and there are lots of them out all requiring
> additional cutting which I prefer not to do. Or, does anyone know where the
> gasket material can be located for the original hatch? The hatch measures 19
> 1/2" X 19 1/2 inside and 23 X 23 outside.
> Thanks
> 
> -Original Message-
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>   2. Re:  Redundant instrumentation / tools (Russ & Melody)
>   3.  redundant items (Jimmy Kelly)
>   4.  storing handheld gps ..radios etc. (Jimmy Kelly)
>   5. Re:  Setting GPS Waypoints (Michael Brown)
>   6. Re:  storing handheld gps ..radios etc. (Jim Watts)
>   7. Re:  storing handheld gps ..radios etc. (Rich Knowles)
>   8. Re:  Electronics - was Re: Setting GPS Waypoints (Brad Crawford)
>   9. Re:  Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk (Russ & Melody)
>  10. Re:  Electronics - was Re: Setting GPS Waypoints (Prime Interest)
>  11. Re:  Electronics - was Re: Setting GPS Waypoints (Martin DeYoung)
>  12. Re:  Electronics - was Re: Setting GPS Waypoints (Joel Aronson)
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:59:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Dennis C." 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Redundant instrumentation / tools
> Message-ID:
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> http://www.amazon.com/Antistatic-Bags-Resealable-6X10-Pack/dp/B000BSN274
> 
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> 
>> 
>> From: Jim Watts 
>> To: 1 CnC List 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Redundant instrumentation / tools
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On our latest cruise, we put the portable GPS and one of the VHF handhelds
> into the oven whenever there was any electrical activity. Better chance than
> zero. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim Watts
>> Paradigm Shift
>> C&C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 January 2014 14:24, Andrew Burton  wrote:
>> 
>> I own a nice 1954 Plath sextant that I used to make my living for a couple
> of decades. The novelty has kind of warn off. Remember, it's not just the
> sextant, but at least two volumes of HO 249 plus the almanac. 
>>> That being said, I'd never tell a crewmember there wasn't room for their
> sextant aboard any boat I was on.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> C&C 40
>>> Peregrine
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Don Newman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The odds are slim but you could loose all electronics including that
> transistor radio from a close lightning strike and a plastic sextant is
> cheap and light.
 
 Working on computers since 1965 has destroyed any faith I have in any
> electronic device working when I really need it.
 
 I am sure you will always find a safe harbour but we need to encourage
> everyone to plan ahead and understand the basic tools first.
 
 Fair winds and calm seas.
 
 
 Don Newman
 C&C 44
 
 
>  wrote:
> 
> True, Don. and depending on how far away I am, I to doubt I'd find
> Bermuda, so on to my destination...unless I had a portable radio I could
> make use as a makeshift RDF, or was within 50 miles and could get Bermuda
> Radio to give me a bearing on my VHF signal.
> 
> Given all the crap I have to pack on these trips, not having to take a
> sextant along--and get it through security without some bozo TSA agent
> picking it up by the arm and then getting it in the overhead bin without it
> being banged around, etc.--saves a lot of trouble.
> 
> ?I can use a hand-bearing compass to tell whether someone's gaining 
> or losing
> 
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>>> 
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Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[Richard N. Bush]

All this talk about when to go; there's a striking clip of Laura Dekker in this 
month's sailing World, which is exactly on point; she make us guys look like 
pikers.open the video and just listen to what she says, it worth the 
effort

http://www.sailingworld.com/blogs/news/best-sailing-movie-ever-take-two?cmpid=enews021114&spPodID=030&spMailingID=19541142&spJobID=260694143&spReportId=MjYwNjk0MTQzS0



Richard
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-Original Message-
From: JK2 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List when to go cruising


Curt:
You can always pull it off.  You would be astounded by what some people are 
ruising in and for how little (especially the French).  With that said - if it 
ere easy everyone would do it.
The best way to plan is to take the word cruise out of it.  Too personal.  What 
ould you do if you lost your job tomorrow and knew you would be unemployed for 
-2 years? What changes would you make to your budget?  We found our overall 
udget changed very little when cruising.  It was just spent differently.  Also 
ow, where and what you cruise will often determine cost. 
Rental income while cruising (net of the two) - a huge plus
on't hit the 401k
orking while cruising - possible but a lot of people try to do that.  Special 
kills are useful.  Consult for your current company?
Why not try a shorter cruise first - maybe just a year.  You'll have a much 
etter sense of what it's all about and know if both you and your wife want the 
ifestyle.  A lot of people hate it very quickly.  Can you take a sabbatical 
rom work?  Can you take several weeks vacation in the winter?
Don't get hung up on going forever.
pm me if you like - advice is free and worth every cent.
John


ent from my iPad
> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Curtis  wrote:
 
 Thanks for the support guys. I have a great little boat in the "East
 Coast lady"  the problem is, we had a plan to leave in a 5 year time
 frame and now the last daughter has been excepted to the university of
 South Carolina and "Mama" thinks we should pay for it out of our
 401-K. I don't know how to fix this one! I think it will change the
 dynamics of the relationship of the cruise. We may not be able to
 retire early or at all for that matter. I had a plan to leave in 2018
 or 2019 at the age of 55. That would give me 5 years to cruise and
 make our way by savings and side work. We also will have 2 rental
 properties.
The daughter's school will set us way back on the time frame. Do you
 have any advice on how to overcome this hurdle?  It could this costing
 us at least a 3 year cruising kitty. It's not that I don't want to
 send my girl to a good school.  I will just have to give up my 40 year
 dream to do it? Your post just made this a little real for me. I did
 not mean to spat off.
 So Here is the lay out.
 1) Primary resident $205,000 very good rentable property "was planning
 to rent when we sail"
 2) Rental property paid off $85,000 collecting $725.00 a month "Will
 continue to rent when we sail"
 3) Rental property $95,000 rented but not enough to cover mortgage.
 "Will sell for a loss"
 4) $300,586.58 in $401-K can't touch till age 62 without penalty.
 'Start collecting after 5 year sail"
 5) Savings $15,000 roughly.
 6) Both the wife and I are fully vested in the SS program.
 Not sure how to pull this off.  Very disheartened
 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 forward hatch replacement

[Marek Dziedzic]

Gary,

a word of caution. 

I replaced the seal on my A&H hatch (on my old C&C 24) and I had some problems. 
I got the seal straight from A&H, including the adhesive. However, the diameter 
was too small. When I installed it, the hatch did not seal completely, 
specifically along the edge close to the hinges (the seal was not squeezed 
enough). I went one size bigger (I don’t remember what it was, if I remember 
correctly, I went from 3/8 to 1/2 (or from 1/2 to 5/8)). That did the trick. 
The unfortunate part was that I prepare that grove really well the first time 
around and then I had to clean it again. And it was a pain, because the 
adhesive held so well. I almost wish I did a poor job the first time.

Btw. my hatch did not have a grove (and the seal) on the lens, only on the 
frame (attached to the deck). The lens had no frame, it was a simple piece of 
acrylic with holes for handles and hinges. It is possible that the PO replaced 
it a while before.

Marek

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:39:25 -0500
From: "Rick Brass" 
To: 
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Gary;

As Fred said, it is probably and A&H hatch and somewhat expensive to replace
or to have rebuilt by A&H. I believe there are less expensive alternatives
for rebuilding it, but someone on the list will need to comment. 

I have rebuilt two of the hatches (a big one on my 38 and a smaller one on
my 25) on my own. Relatively inexpensive (around $350-400 for materials) but
it was a lot of persnickety work to remove old sealant and properly install
the new lens and seals. I'd actually not recommend doing it unless you have
time and patience.

Your message seems to imply that what you really need to do is replace the
seal between the hatch and the frame mounted to the deck. THAT is both easy
and cheap.

My two hatches both had a seal with a round gasket material glued into a
round channel in the underside of the frame around the lens. I can't recall
if it was 1/2' or 3/4" diameter. The seal material is a dense neoprene. 

You might be able to buy it at your local LOWES, but any glass company that
installs commercial windows and many companies that install automotive
windshields will have the stuff. I think it is called "breaker bead" by the
glass companies and it is the seal typically used in the frame around the
plate glass windows in stores and commercial buildings. A 20 foot length of
the stuff is somewhere around $20.

Take the lens frame off the boat so you can put it upside down on a
workbench. Then scrape the old seal out of the channel in the lens frame. I
took a metal putty knife and rounded it on my grinder, which helped to
remove the rubber and the adhesive under it pretty well. Then sand the
channel in the frame to remove all the old adhesive and to give some "tooth"
to the aluminum for the new adhesive to stick. I wiped thae channel down a
couple times with 3M adhesive remover, but I suspect acetone would have
worked too.

Now that you have a really clean channel in the lens frame, you are ready to
put adhesive in the channel to hold the seal. I used 3M automotive trim
adhesive - stuff that is called "Gorilla snot" by the folks that work in
body shops. You will see why if you use it, and not another adhesive. A tube
(like a 10 oz toothpaste tube) of the stuff is bout $12, IIRC.

Apply a thin coat of adhesive to the inside of the channel, making sure you
spread it to get complete coverage from edge to edge. It will dry and become
tacky in a couple of minutes.

Have your seal cut to length, with the ends smooth and fastidiously square
to the centerline of the rod. I dry fit mine into the channel before
applying adhesive and cut the seal with about an inch of overlap at the
ends. 

To install the new seal start by laying the first couple of inches of one
end into the channel in the middle of what will be the back of the hatch.
That will let water flow away from the joine and around the seal once the
lens in back in place. Press it in place and you should get a good bond. Now
put the rest of the seal into the channel, and as you go try to be sure you
don't stretch the seal. You actually want to apply gentle pressure back in
the direction from which you are coming so you compress the material
slightly - when you get back to the place where you started you want the
ends to match up and to be push against each other for a tight joint. When
you make the fourth corner and have about 5 or 6" of seal yet to install,
put a little dab of adhesive on the end of the seal material and let it cure
for a minute. Then put the last bit of seal into the channel with the two
ends tightly together.

Reinstall the lens to the hatch frame and "Bob's your uncle" you have a new
seal that should last another 20 years.


Rick Brass
Imzadi -1976 C&C 38 mk1
la Belle Aurore -1975 C&C 25 mk1
Washington, NC

Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[j...@svpaws.net]

Steve:

My wife and I quit perfectly good jobs in 2006 to go cruising.  It was perfect. 
 We were in a recession and by the time we got back the economy would be in 
recovery.  Oops.

In the end, you just have to trust in yourself.  The good news is that after 
cruising you are more transient by nature. There will likely be work out there 
- it just may not be in the location you left.  Can't comment on how quickly 
skills would become obsolete. keep in mind, I only left for a year.  

John




Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
> 
> Thanks all.
> 
> What I've noticed is that it seems there are many that plan and wait and save 
> and plan, and then never go. I've lost family and friends to cancer, I'm sure 
> everyone has and that scares me more than anything; not being able to live 
> long enough to really have some experiences and more importantly, to see what 
> happens next! Maybe I'm missing the point? Maybe the point is to have kids 
> and settle down. Maybe if I have kids I'll settle down and become 
> 'realistic'. Probably not. If we do this, it's an all or nothing affair. 
> Truth be told that scares me. I'm a lucky SOB to be where I am in life with a 
> house, a wonderful partner and a good job. I'll be "throwing" away two of 
> those things but really making a whole lot more room in my life for the third 
> :)
> 
> Finding another job when/if we come back is the main worry. In my field 
> things change very quickly. I guess they do for everyone these days. Has 
> anyone gone cruising for a few years and returned to life and work? How was 
> THAT transition? I'm fairly confident I can get used to living on a boat in 
> the tropics ... coming back is another matter. How do employers look at you 
> when you answer the question "what have you been doing for the past five 
> years" and you say "sailing"? 
> 
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Chuck S  wrote:
>> Life happens.  I married a sailing gal long ago.  She loved adventure and 
>> could hand, reef, and steer.  We cruised our 22 ft Cape Dory from NJ to 
>> Branford and NJ to Swan Creek, in Chesapeake Bay.  We learned together how 
>> to windsurf and travelled to many island destinations.  Two kids and several 
>> jobs later, I get a really nice sailing C&C, but the kids can't go because 
>> of field hockey or soccer practice, and now they are ot of college and I 
>> find I'm the only sailor left standing.  Kids and wife are focused on 
>> careers and I'm the only one interested in sailing or cruising.   I'm 59 and 
>> should be retired.  Worked for 40plus years but have an expensive hobby.  
>> 
>> Decided this year to take my boat cruising the Chesapeake, getting a slip 
>> near Annapolis, a 3 hour commute, while putting her up for sale for a high 
>> number.  Happy Valentine's Day!  It's a long drive, but once you are there, 
>> you are in Mecca.  
>> 
>> Wal is 100% right.  Go cruising as soon as you can.  Or go when you can 
>> afford to go.   But just go.
>> Expand your horizons.  Crew for other boatowners in other areas.  Invite 
>> yourself aboard.
>> 
>> Another lister in Seattle took me sailing and I extend that offer to the 
>> list, to come sailing on our boat.  I'm looking for crew in Annapolis.  
>> Email me.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Atlantic City, NJ
>> From: j...@svpaws.net
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:10:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List when to go cruising
>> 
>> 
>> Curt:
>> 
>> Lighten up (just saying). 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[j...@svpaws.net]

Curt:

You can always pull it off.  You would be astounded by what some people are 
cruising in and for how little (especially the French).  With that said - if it 
were easy everyone would do it.

The best way to plan is to take the word cruise out of it.  Too personal.  What 
would you do if you lost your job tomorrow and knew you would be unemployed for 
1-2 years? What changes would you make to your budget?  We found our overall 
budget changed very little when cruising.  It was just spent differently.  Also 
how, where and what you cruise will often determine cost. 

Rental income while cruising (net of the two) - a huge plus
Don't hit the 401k
Working while cruising - possible but a lot of people try to do that.  Special 
skills are useful.  Consult for your current company?

Why not try a shorter cruise first - maybe just a year.  You'll have a much 
better sense of what it's all about and know if both you and your wife want the 
lifestyle.  A lot of people hate it very quickly.  Can you take a sabbatical 
from work?  Can you take several weeks vacation in the winter?

Don't get hung up on going forever.

pm me if you like - advice is free and worth every cent.

John




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> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the support guys. I have a great little boat in the "East
> Coast lady"  the problem is, we had a plan to leave in a 5 year time
> frame and now the last daughter has been excepted to the university of
> South Carolina and "Mama" thinks we should pay for it out of our
> 401-K. I don't know how to fix this one! I think it will change the
> dynamics of the relationship of the cruise. We may not be able to
> retire early or at all for that matter. I had a plan to leave in 2018
> or 2019 at the age of 55. That would give me 5 years to cruise and
> make our way by savings and side work. We also will have 2 rental
> properties.
>The daughter's school will set us way back on the time frame. Do you
> have any advice on how to overcome this hurdle?  It could this costing
> us at least a 3 year cruising kitty. It's not that I don't want to
> send my girl to a good school.  I will just have to give up my 40 year
> dream to do it? Your post just made this a little real for me. I did
> not mean to spat off.
> So Here is the lay out.
> 1) Primary resident $205,000 very good rentable property "was planning
> to rent when we sail"
> 2) Rental property paid off $85,000 collecting $725.00 a month "Will
> continue to rent when we sail"
> 3) Rental property $95,000 rented but not enough to cover mortgage.
> "Will sell for a loss"
> 4) $300,586.58 in $401-K can't touch till age 62 without penalty.
> 'Start collecting after 5 year sail"
> 5) Savings $15,000 roughly.
> 6) Both the wife and I are fully vested in the SS program.
> Not sure how to pull this off.  Very disheartened
> 
>> 

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Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[Dennis Cheuvront]

Yup, like Jimmy says in "Barometer Soup"

"Follow in my wake
You've not that much at stake
For I have plowed the seas
And smoothed the troubled waters

Come along let's have some fun
The hard work has been done
We'll barrel roll into the sun
Just for starters

Just for starters
Barometer's my soup
I'm descended
>From a deckhand on a sloop

I travel on the song lines
That only dreamers see
Not known for predictability

Come and follow in our wake
You've not that much at stake
For we have plowed the seas
And smoothed the troubled waters

Come along let's have some fun
Seems our work is done
We'll barrel roll into the sun
Just for starters

Sail the main course
In a simple sturdy craft
Keep her well stocked
With short stories and long laughs

Go fast enough to get there
But slow enough to see
Moderation seems to be the key

Constantly searchin'
Oh, my eyes have seen some horizons
And I've crossed the ocean
For more than just thrills

No, I'm not the first
Won't be the last
You lust for the future
But treasure the past

Follow in my wake
You've not as much at stake
For I have plowed the seas
And smoothed the troubled waters

Come along let's have some fun
The hard work has been done
We'll barrel roll into the sun
Just for starters

We'll barrel roll into the sun
Just for starters
We'll barrel roll into the sun
Just for starters"


Dennis C.



On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Richard N. Bush  wrote:

> Dennis, you're sounding like a Buffett songI like it!
>
>  Richard
> 1985 37 CB equipped with snow drifts and icicles...
>
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Cheuvront 
> To: CnClist 
> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:08 pm
> Subject: Stus-List when to go cruising
>
>I used to teach snow skiing here in Louisiana (Yeah, I know, how does
> one do that?  Answer, a ski deck).
>
> Anyway, I had several adult students say "if it wasn't for the kids, we'd
> move to Aspen".  You're laying this off on the kids?  They don't allow kids
> in Aspen?  OK, children, where would YOU rather grow up, South Louisiana or
> Aspen, Colorado.  DUH!
>
>  What they were really saying was "I don't want to give up my 6 figure
> job, work as a waiter, live in a trailer or small rental in order to live
> in Aspen".
>
>  As I've said before, if you want the new Lexus, the big house, the
> country club membership, etc., keep working.  If you're OK with driving a
> decade+ old car, living in a used single wide trailer, and drinking tap
> water instead of Pellegrino, you could have retired years ago!  (No, I
> don't live in a trailer.  That was my college years.)
>
>  Dennis C.
>  Touche' 35-1 #83
>  Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[Richard N. Bush]

Dennis, you're sounding like a Buffett songI like it!


Richard
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-Original Message-
From: Dennis Cheuvront 
To: CnClist 
Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:08 pm
Subject: Stus-List when to go cruising





I used to teach snow skiing here in Louisiana (Yeah, I know, how does one do 
that?  Answer, a ski deck).  

Anyway, I had several adult students say "if it wasn't for the kids, we'd move 
to Aspen".  You're laying this off on the kids?  They don't allow kids in 
Aspen?  OK, children, where would YOU rather grow up, South Louisiana or Aspen, 
Colorado.  DUH!  


What they were really saying was "I don't want to give up my 6 figure job, work 
as a waiter, live in a trailer or small rental in order to live in Aspen".  


As I've said before, if you want the new Lexus, the big house, the country club 
membership, etc., keep working.  If you're OK with driving a decade+ old car, 
living in a used single wide trailer, and drinking tap water instead of 
Pellegrino, you could have retired years ago!  (No, I don't live in a trailer.  
That was my college years.)


Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

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Stus-List when to go cruising

[Dennis Cheuvront]

I used to teach snow skiing here in Louisiana (Yeah, I know, how does one
do that?  Answer, a ski deck).

Anyway, I had several adult students say "if it wasn't for the kids, we'd
move to Aspen".  You're laying this off on the kids?  They don't allow kids
in Aspen?  OK, children, where would YOU rather grow up, South Louisiana or
Aspen, Colorado.  DUH!

What they were really saying was "I don't want to give up my 6 figure job,
work as a waiter, live in a trailer or small rental in order to live in
Aspen".

As I've said before, if you want the new Lexus, the big house, the country
club membership, etc., keep working.  If you're OK with driving a decade+
old car, living in a used single wide trailer, and drinking tap water
instead of Pellegrino, you could have retired years ago!  (No, I don't live
in a trailer.  That was my college years.)

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[Dr. Mark Bodnar]

  
  

  What about a collapsible hand cart?
  http://www.handtrucksrus.com/trucks/bp/lg/220650%20[zoom].jpg
  With a bunch of straps you should be able to transport several
  jerry cans
  
  Maybe combine that with a collapsible bike or one of those little
  electric stand up scooters
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00VjtTKSWEhfcJ/120W-2-Wheel-Electric-Stand-up-Scooter-HP103E-.jpg
  
  Hell - I'd love to see you bombing down the road  one the scooter
  trailing a train of jerry cans!
  -
  Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
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  On 10/02/2014 11:10 PM, j...@svpaws.net wrote:


  
  Curt:
  
  
  Lighten up (just saying). 
  
  
  I was lucky, I went cruising when I was 45.  Now I'm planning
my next cruise (a longer one) which I'll do when I'm sixty.  My
point (and I suspect Wal's) is to go as soon as you are halfway
ready, but don't postpone needlessly. Life has a way of stepping
in.  I've heard lots of 5 year plans - yours sounds pretty darn
committed.  Good luck and enjoy.  You shouldn't care what
anybody says, least of all me.

As to Wal's comment - I've also lugged jerry jugs for miles in
100 degrees (Turks).   Gotta figure out a better way.  Not sure
about the rolling hitch thing however.
  
No discouragement - pure encouragement.
  
  
  John
  

  
  Sent from my iPad
  
On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:43 PM, Curtis 
wrote:

  
  

  Bah Humbug!!! I'am 51 I will be 52 bin March. I
, No, We are leaving in 5 years. I will be 57 and Ill wait
no more. and We will be back when we retire at 62. Well,
unless she has not had enough. I love my dream. I want it so
bad. I have a boat I have been putting money and time into
the dream. I hope your advise " John" is not for us to give
in to life. I spent the best years of my life giving to
everybodys cause. Its now my turn. Thank you very much. Just
saying.

  Curt.
  
  

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:52 PM, j...@svpaws.net
  
  wrote:
  Well
said...

John


Sent from my iPad

  
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Wally Bryant 
wrote:
>
> *GO* while you still can.  Someone mentioned
the number of retirees who buy a boat to 'go
cruising' with varied results.  I've seen countless
big bucks boats that were tricked out for cruising,
and the owner was waiting for retirement and the
pension, but died first.  Heck, my brother-in-law
recently died at the ripe old age of 57.
>
> Even if you live long enough to retire, you
might not be physically capable to handling the
lifestyle.  A few years ago I heard some woman
screaming "HELP ME HELP ME" (apparently she didn't
know how to use the radio) so I jumped in the dink
and went full throttle.  Her husband had dislocated
his hip stepping into the dinghy from the beach.
 That was a big deal, and the Mexican I
>
> Normal cruising adventures can be challenging.
 Getting from the dinghy to the boat in 20 knots
with a good chop can be a challenge. I'm something
of an expert at timing, and can wait for the perfect
moment to step on the side of the dinghy and do a
1/2 flip to end up on my butt on deck, and also can
find the handrail without thinking.  It's good to
know your boat.  But it's getting harder, and I'm
only 56 years old.  Think about doing that while
tossing groceries or Jerry cans on deck.  Done it.
Oh, my back.
>
> Speaking of Jerry cans, imagine needing to fuel
up and the nearest place is two miles away in the
desert.  It's easy to hike two miles in 105F heat
with eight empty Jerry cans -- you just take a spare
piece of rop

Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[Curtis]

Thanks for the support guys. I have a great little boat in the "East
Coast lady"  the problem is, we had a plan to leave in a 5 year time
frame and now the last daughter has been excepted to the university of
South Carolina and "Mama" thinks we should pay for it out of our
401-K. I don't know how to fix this one! I think it will change the
dynamics of the relationship of the cruise. We may not be able to
retire early or at all for that matter. I had a plan to leave in 2018
or 2019 at the age of 55. That would give me 5 years to cruise and
make our way by savings and side work. We also will have 2 rental
properties.
The daughter's school will set us way back on the time frame. Do you
have any advice on how to overcome this hurdle?  It could this costing
us at least a 3 year cruising kitty. It's not that I don't want to
send my girl to a good school.  I will just have to give up my 40 year
dream to do it? Your post just made this a little real for me. I did
not mean to spat off.
So Here is the lay out.
1) Primary resident $205,000 very good rentable property "was planning
to rent when we sail"
2) Rental property paid off $85,000 collecting $725.00 a month "Will
continue to rent when we sail"
3) Rental property $95,000 rented but not enough to cover mortgage.
"Will sell for a loss"
4) $300,586.58 in $401-K can't touch till age 62 without penalty.
'Start collecting after 5 year sail"
5) Savings $15,000 roughly.
6) Both the wife and I are fully vested in the SS program.
Not sure how to pull this off.  Very disheartened


On 2/11/14, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
> Thanks all.
>
> What I've noticed is that it seems there are many that plan and wait and
> save and plan, and then never go. I've lost family and friends to cancer,
> I'm sure everyone has and that scares me more than anything; not being able
> to live long enough to really have some experiences and more importantly,
> to see what happens next! Maybe I'm missing the point? Maybe the point is
> to have kids and settle down. Maybe if I have kids I'll settle down and
> become 'realistic'. Probably not. If we do this, it's an all or nothing
> affair. Truth be told that scares me. I'm a lucky SOB to be where I am in
> life with a house, a wonderful partner and a good job. I'll be "throwing"
> away two of those things but really making a whole lot more room in my life
> for the third :)
>
> Finding another job when/if we come back is the main worry. In my field
> things change very quickly. I guess they do for everyone these days. Has
> anyone gone cruising for a few years and returned to life and work? How was
> *THAT* transition? I'm fairly confident I can get used to living on a boat
> in the tropics ... coming back is another matter. How do employers look at
> you when you answer the question "what have you been doing for the past
> five years" and you say "sailing"?
>
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Chuck S  wrote:
>
>> Life happens.  I married a sailing gal long ago.  She loved adventure and
>> could hand, reef, and steer.  We cruised our 22 ft Cape Dory from NJ to
>> Branford and NJ to Swan Creek, in Chesapeake Bay.  We learned together
>> how
>> to windsurf and travelled to many island destinations.  Two kids and
>> several jobs later, I get a really nice sailing C&C, but the kids can't
>> go
>> because of field hockey or soccer practice, and now they are ot of
>> college
>> and I find I'm the only sailor left standing.  Kids and wife are focused
>> on
>> careers and I'm the only one interested in sailing or cruising.   I'm 59
>> and should be retired.  Worked for 40plus years but have an expensive
>> hobby.
>>
>> Decided this year to take my boat cruising the Chesapeake, getting a slip
>> near Annapolis, a 3 hour commute, while putting her up for sale for a
>> high
>> number.  Happy Valentine's Day!  It's a long drive, but once you are
>> there,
>> you are in Mecca.
>>
>> Wal is 100% right.  Go cruising as soon as you can.  Or go when you can
>> afford to go.   But just go.
>> Expand your horizons.  Crew for other boatowners in other areas.  Invite
>> yourself aboard.
>>
>> Another lister in Seattle took me sailing and I extend that offer to the
>> list, to come sailing on our boat.  I'm looking for crew in Annapolis.
>> Email me.
>>
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Atlantic City, NJ
>> --
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>> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, February 10, 2014 10:10:29 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List when to go cruising
>>
>>
>> Curt:
>>
>> Lighten up (just saying).
>>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

[Gary Nylander]

Small Yanmars don't have a return line - it goes back into the engine filter, 
not to the tank.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Brass 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:11 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank


  If it is diesel, it should have the 4th fitting for the return line.

   

  I helped a buddy put in a new tank and he used a gasoline tank, with the 
diesel return T-ed into the vent line. Then he discovered that if he fills the 
tank while the engine is still running all of the returning fuel gets spit out 
of the vent line and into the water alongside. 

   

  Rick Brass

   

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Bodnar
  Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 6:50 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

   


  Looking at the Moeller tanks leads to a new question - maybe my Volvo diesel 
is a bit different - but my original tank has 4 connections
  1 - fuel fill
  1 - vent line (goes out to the stern)
  1 - line feeds to the fuel filter
  and 1 line that I assume is a return feed from the engine

  But the Moeller tanks don't appear to have the 4th return feed???

  Does the tank need a specific fitting or extra fitting?

  Mark



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Re: Stus-List when to go cruising

[Stevan Plavsa]

Thanks all.

What I've noticed is that it seems there are many that plan and wait and
save and plan, and then never go. I've lost family and friends to cancer,
I'm sure everyone has and that scares me more than anything; not being able
to live long enough to really have some experiences and more importantly,
to see what happens next! Maybe I'm missing the point? Maybe the point is
to have kids and settle down. Maybe if I have kids I'll settle down and
become 'realistic'. Probably not. If we do this, it's an all or nothing
affair. Truth be told that scares me. I'm a lucky SOB to be where I am in
life with a house, a wonderful partner and a good job. I'll be "throwing"
away two of those things but really making a whole lot more room in my life
for the third :)

Finding another job when/if we come back is the main worry. In my field
things change very quickly. I guess they do for everyone these days. Has
anyone gone cruising for a few years and returned to life and work? How was
*THAT* transition? I'm fairly confident I can get used to living on a boat
in the tropics ... coming back is another matter. How do employers look at
you when you answer the question "what have you been doing for the past
five years" and you say "sailing"?


Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

> Life happens.  I married a sailing gal long ago.  She loved adventure and
> could hand, reef, and steer.  We cruised our 22 ft Cape Dory from NJ to
> Branford and NJ to Swan Creek, in Chesapeake Bay.  We learned together how
> to windsurf and travelled to many island destinations.  Two kids and
> several jobs later, I get a really nice sailing C&C, but the kids can't go
> because of field hockey or soccer practice, and now they are ot of college
> and I find I'm the only sailor left standing.  Kids and wife are focused on
> careers and I'm the only one interested in sailing or cruising.   I'm 59
> and should be retired.  Worked for 40plus years but have an expensive
> hobby.
>
> Decided this year to take my boat cruising the Chesapeake, getting a slip
> near Annapolis, a 3 hour commute, while putting her up for sale for a high
> number.  Happy Valentine's Day!  It's a long drive, but once you are there,
> you are in Mecca.
>
> Wal is 100% right.  Go cruising as soon as you can.  Or go when you can
> afford to go.   But just go.
> Expand your horizons.  Crew for other boatowners in other areas.  Invite
> yourself aboard.
>
> Another lister in Seattle took me sailing and I extend that offer to the
> list, to come sailing on our boat.  I'm looking for crew in Annapolis.
> Email me.
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> --
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> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 10, 2014 10:10:29 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List when to go cruising
>
>
> Curt:
>
> Lighten up (just saying).
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

[Gary Nylander]

I think that was my experience on a Nauticat motor sailor. Two side tanks 
(about 75 gal each) and a valve which selected which tank you were picking the 
fuel up from. Normally, gravity would determine where the extra fuel would go 
and it would usually go back to where it came from, but we were motor sailing 
and on a pretty good heel. Gravity sent the fuel back to the low tank when we 
were picking it up from the high one. Ran out. Had to do some replumbing. 

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rich Knowles 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 9:04 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank


  Hmmm. Seems that if more fuel comes back it would pressurize the feed line 
and balance with fuel in the tank. ?

  Rich

  On Feb 10, 2014, at 21:57, Martin DeYoung  wrote:


> Has anyone tried teeing the fuel return line into the fuel feed line 
before the filter?



IIRC that is not a good idea.  Many diesel engines return more fuel than 
they use.  Some of the extra fuel is used for cooling the injectors.



I have a vague memory of a story regarding having two fuel tanks and one 
fuel return line.  The result was one empty tank and one over filled.



Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle






From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich 
Knowles
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 5:52 PM
To: Peter Fell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank



Has anyone tried teeing the fuel return line into the fuel feed line before 
the filter?  Just wondering??

Rich


On Feb 10, 2014, at 20:03, "Peter Fell"  wrote:

  There is a kit you buy that provides the return line fitting on the 
flange of the fuel sending unit  I think they only sell it with the sending 
unit included: 
http://ca.binnacle.com/p6463/MOELLER-%2335724-10-DIESEL-RETURN-KIT/product_info.html



  If you can’t get the flange and return fitting separately, I’d just put 
the other sending unit up for sale on craigslist. Someone out there needs a new 
sending unit.



  Check out the Moeller site for more info.

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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

[Rick Brass]

If it is diesel, it should have the 4th fitting for the return line.

 

I helped a buddy put in a new tank and he used a gasoline tank, with the
diesel return T-ed into the vent line. Then he discovered that if he fills
the tank while the engine is still running all of the returning fuel gets
spit out of the vent line and into the water alongside. 

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark
Bodnar
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 6:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

 


Looking at the Moeller tanks leads to a new question - maybe my Volvo diesel
is a bit different - but my original tank has 4 connections
1 - fuel fill
1 - vent line (goes out to the stern)
1 - line feeds to the fuel filter
and 1 line that I assume is a return feed from the engine

But the Moeller tanks don't appear to have the 4th return feed???

Does the tank need a specific fitting or extra fitting?

Mark



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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 forward hatch replacement

[Joel Aronson]

I've done lenses and seals.  If you have a router it is easy to make a new
lense from a piece of plexiglass.  That's how I justified the cost of the
router!

Be sure the seal is placed correctly in the corners - don't overstretch the
rubber.  I think I used Dow 795 for everything.

A&H sells the parts  - for a premium price.  Brian Atkins is a nice guy and
will answer any questions through email (and possibly Facebook).

Joel
35/3


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Bill Bina  wrote:

> http://www.hatchmasters.com
>
> They have parts for many brands including those that are out of business
> or discontinued. They also have a rebuilding service. They often have parts
> for hatches not listed on their website, so a call is always worthwhile.
> They also usually have an assortment of used hatches for sale.
>
> Bill Bina
>
>
> On 2/10/2014 5:57 PM, g...@gspcc.net wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> Does anyone know where a replacement forward hatch for a C&C 30 MK1 can be
>> located? I've searched and there are lots of them out all requiring
>> additional cutting which I prefer not to do. Or, does anyone know where
>> the
>> gasket material can be located for the original hatch? The hatch measures
>> 19
>> 1/2" X 19 1/2 inside and 23 X 23 outside.
>> Thanks
>> .
>>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

[Rick Brass]

Mark;

 

One of my many boat projects is to install a second fuel tank for increased
range. My local metal fab shop can build a custom stainless diesel tank for
about $250. The tank will fit into the area below the steering quadrant and
in the bottom of the boat. Five sided tank about 30"wide by 12" deep in the
middle and 6" deep on either end and 18" front to back on the centerline and
10" font to back on the ends.  Think of the shape of a claw anchor and you
sort of get the idea of the shape of the tank.

 

You may be overestimating the cost of a custom tank.

 

Anyway, when you reinstall the new tank make sure it has rubber pads under
the tank (I used 6x6x1/4" gasket material, $1.99 each at Lowes) and rubber
strap material between the tank and the hold down straps. 

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Bodnar
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 5:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

 


I'm not adverse to replacing the tank - but looking online so far I can't
find a replacement that matches the shape or the fill holes.
The CS tank is 19Gal - and approx 10" wide, 48" long and 6" deep and one
end, 12" deep at the other -- a pre-fab new tank would likely require a new
mounting set up. Or an expensive custom made tank.

I need to examine the tank more closely - but the only pin-hole is on the
top of the tank where the steel bracket was holding the tank in place -
otherwise with was well supported up out of the bilge and looks to be good.

If it's just the one spot from metal contact and the rest of the tank is
stable then I might try the POR 15 tank seal product. 

Need to drain out the diesel and clean it to see what I'm dealing with.

Mark



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On 10/02/2014 6:02 PM, Rich Knowles wrote:

Mark:  I think I'd not mess with a 30+ year old old tank, but get a new one.
If there is one hole, another one is waiting to appear. 

Rich


On Feb 10, 2014, at 17:41, Dennis Cheuvront  wrote:

Are you opposed to a new tank?  Granted, a pinhole leak on the top may not
indicate more problems but it would make me think about the overall
integrity of the tank.

One of the first things I did when I bought Touche' was to replace the fuel
tank.  I replaced it again when I repowered to a diesel.

 

Many tanks are standard sizes.  Check the Moeller site to see if they have
one that will fit.  Then go shopping online for the best price.  For
instance, one to fit a 35-1 is $153 new and $131 used on Amazon.  That seems
like a cheap price for the peace of mind that the tank is good.

One of our listers just replaced his tank for what I thought was a pretty
decent price.  Maybe he'll chime in.

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar 
wrote:

Well, it was a cold weekend, but I wanted to check the boat, make sure there
was no water freezing up inside, and if I'm going to drive down there then I
may as well get at a job or 2.

Stripped off the last bit of upholstery - now I can get all the cushions
re-covered

Then I tried to remove the fuel tank.  Let's just say the tank was not in
total agreement with my plan, and as such the process was a little more
violent that I had hoped for - I had to cut the inlet and vent pipe (but I
figure that 1986 hoses are likely due for replacement - so it was not a huge
loss.

Once I had everything disconnected I lifted the mostly empty tank out of the
lazerette - and saw a small pin-hole leak stream out on the top of the tank.
Right where one of the metal tank strap tighteners was resting - clearly the
contrasting metal had corroded a small hole.
Otherwise the tank looks good.  Just dirty.

I need to clean the tank up to get a better look - but I'm wondering how
this should be repaired.
Given I wanted to clean out the tank and install an access hatch (but near
the other end of the tank) - should I get a small patch weld?
Or did I read somewhere that a fuel tank can be lined with epoxy.
(http://www.sailfeed.com/2012/07/one-way-to-repair-leaking-aluminum-fuel-tan
ks/) 
I feel like I could even just drill out the hole, tap it and screw in a
small bolt with a gasket.

I'm stiff after a few hours in the lazerette fighting with the fuel tank -
but the new boat shine has not worn off yet!


Mark

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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 forward hatch replacement

[Bill Bina]

http://www.hatchmasters.com

They have parts for many brands including those that are out of business 
or discontinued. They also have a rebuilding service. They often have 
parts for hatches not listed on their website, so a call is always 
worthwhile. They also usually have an assortment of used hatches for sale.


Bill Bina

On 2/10/2014 5:57 PM, g...@gspcc.net wrote:

Hello all,
Does anyone know where a replacement forward hatch for a C&C 30 MK1 can be
located? I've searched and there are lots of them out all requiring
additional cutting which I prefer not to do. Or, does anyone know where the
gasket material can be located for the original hatch? The hatch measures 19
1/2" X 19 1/2 inside and 23 X 23 outside.
Thanks
.



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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 forward hatch replacement

[Rick Brass]

Gary;

As Fred said, it is probably and A&H hatch and somewhat expensive to replace
or to have rebuilt by A&H. I believe there are less expensive alternatives
for rebuilding it, but someone on the list will need to comment. 

I have rebuilt two of the hatches (a big one on my 38 and a smaller one on
my 25) on my own. Relatively inexpensive (around $350-400 for materials) but
it was a lot of persnickety work to remove old sealant and properly install
the new lens and seals. I'd actually not recommend doing it unless you have
time and patience.

Your message seems to imply that what you really need to do is replace the
seal between the hatch and the frame mounted to the deck. THAT is both easy
and cheap.

My two hatches both had a seal with a round gasket material glued into a
round channel in the underside of the frame around the lens. I can't recall
if it was 1/2' or 3/4" diameter. The seal material is a dense neoprene. 

You might be able to buy it at your local LOWES, but any glass company that
installs commercial windows and many companies that install automotive
windshields will have the stuff. I think it is called "breaker bead" by the
glass companies and it is the seal typically used in the frame around the
plate glass windows in stores and commercial buildings. A 20 foot length of
the stuff is somewhere around $20.

Take the lens frame off the boat so you can put it upside down on a
workbench. Then scrape the old seal out of the channel in the lens frame. I
took a metal putty knife and rounded it on my grinder, which helped to
remove the rubber and the adhesive under it pretty well. Then sand the
channel in the frame to remove all the old adhesive and to give some "tooth"
to the aluminum for the new adhesive to stick. I wiped thae channel down a
couple times with 3M adhesive remover, but I suspect acetone would have
worked too.

Now that you have a really clean channel in the lens frame, you are ready to
put adhesive in the channel to hold the seal. I used 3M automotive trim
adhesive - stuff that is called "Gorilla snot" by the folks that work in
body shops. You will see why if you use it, and not another adhesive. A tube
(like a 10 oz toothpaste tube) of the stuff is bout $12, IIRC.

Apply a thin coat of adhesive to the inside of the channel, making sure you
spread it to get complete coverage from edge to edge. It will dry and become
tacky in a couple of minutes.

Have your seal cut to length, with the ends smooth and fastidiously square
to the centerline of the rod. I dry fit mine into the channel before
applying adhesive and cut the seal with about an inch of overlap at the
ends. 

To install the new seal start by laying the first couple of inches of one
end into the channel in the middle of what will be the back of the hatch.
That will let water flow away from the joine and around the seal once the
lens in back in place. Press it in place and you should get a good bond. Now
put the rest of the seal into the channel, and as you go try to be sure you
don't stretch the seal. You actually want to apply gentle pressure back in
the direction from which you are coming so you compress the material
slightly - when you get back to the place where you started you want the
ends to match up and to be push against each other for a tight joint. When
you make the fourth corner and have about 5 or 6" of seal yet to install,
put a little dab of adhesive on the end of the seal material and let it cure
for a minute. Then put the last bit of seal into the channel with the two
ends tightly together.

Reinstall the lens to the hatch frame and "Bob's your uncle" you have a new
seal that should last another 20 years.


Rick Brass
Imzadi -1976 C&C 38 mk1
la Belle Aurore -1975 C&C 25 mk1
Washington, NC


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
g...@gspcc.net
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 5:58 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 forward hatch replacement

Hello all,
Does anyone know where a replacement forward hatch for a C&C 30 MK1 can be
located? I've searched and there are lots of them out all requiring
additional cutting which I prefer not to do. Or, does anyone know where the
gasket material can be located for the original hatch? The hatch measures 19
1/2" X 19 1/2 inside and 23 X 23 outside.
Thanks



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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

[Della Barba, Joe]

Balance and not sending it overboard. Some airplanes with main and tip tanks 
only return fuel to the main tanks. So you need to burn off the mains for a 
while first. If you use the tip tanks first the return fuel goes right over the 
side if the mains are full.
Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
Cotton
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:24 PM
To: j...@dellabarba.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

In aviation it's called fuel management. It's more concerned with aircraft 
balance.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:07 PM, Joe Della Barba 
mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>> wrote:
Nah – you T the fuel return to the vent line. You need the hot fuel to dump 
back in the tank, not recycle right back to the engine.
As for the returns on multiple tanks , I  read about a guy 
delivering a Viking motoryacht that looked aft and saw a trail of fuel. Some 
research into the fuel valves showed fuel from A going to B when B was full 
already. Some airplanes do this too. If you don’t use the tanks in the correct 
order you will be venting a lot of $6/gal fuel over the side.

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
Coquina
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
DeYoung
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 8:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

> Has anyone tried teeing the fuel return line into the fuel feed line before 
> the filter?

IIRC that is not a good idea.  Many diesel engines return more fuel than they 
use.  Some of the extra fuel is used for cooling the injectors.

I have a vague memory of a story regarding having two fuel tanks and one fuel 
return line.  The result was one empty tank and one over filled.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 5:52 PM
To: Peter Fell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank

Has anyone tried teeing the fuel return line into the fuel feed line before the 
filter?  Just wondering??

Rich

On Feb 10, 2014, at 20:03, "Peter Fell" 
mailto:prf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There is a kit you buy that provides the return line fitting on the flange of 
the fuel sending unit  I think they only sell it with the sending unit 
included: 
http://ca.binnacle.com/p6463/MOELLER-%2335724-10-DIESEL-RETURN-KIT/product_info.html

If you can’t get the flange and return fitting separately, I’d just put the 
other sending unit up for sale on craigslist. Someone out there needs a new 
sending unit.

Check out the Moeller site for more info.

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Re: Stus-List Portland Weather

[Curtis]

Looks like global warming has you dead in his clutches. be careful


On 2/11/14, Rich Knowles  wrote:
> Watch out for wooly mammoths
>
> Rich
>
>
>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 19:08, Frederick G Street  wrote:
>>
>> We just had our forty-third day with temps below zero at some point during
>> the day; heck, we got ll the way up to +6F / -14C this afternoon...   :^)
>>
>> +45F sounds pretty good.
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:00 PM, Alan Bergen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We've been stuck inside since Friday.  It was raining, this morning
>>> (Monday), and the temperature is now up to forty-five degrees, and the
>>> snow and ice are melting fast.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>
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Re: Stus-List Portland Weather

[Rich Knowles]

Watch out for wooly mammoths

Rich


> On Feb 10, 2014, at 19:08, Frederick G Street  wrote:
> 
> We just had our forty-third day with temps below zero at some point during 
> the day; heck, we got ll the way up to +6F / -14C this afternoon…   :^)
> 
> +45F sounds pretty good.
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:00 PM, Alan Bergen  wrote:
>> 
>> We've been stuck inside since Friday.  It was raining, this morning 
>> (Monday), and the temperature is now up to forty-five degrees, and the snow 
>> and ice are melting fast.
>> 
>> Alan
> 
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