Re: Stus-List Annapolis to Bermuda Race nearing finish
We hit hampton virginia early this am. Blew out the#2 and the baby stay on the way home. After a day we had to return to Bermuda to drop off a sick crew member. Joel On Saturday, June 21, 2014, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Steve, You guys did a great job. It’s always nice to see a CC sailed well. As of earlier today, The Office was still about 200 miles from Norfolk. Jake *Jake Brodersen* *“Midnight Mistress”* *CC 35 Mk-III* *Hampton Va* *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');] *On Behalf Of *Steve Sharkey via CnC-List *Sent:* Saturday, June 21, 2014 12:14 PM *To:* Frederick G Street; Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Annapolis to Bermuda Race nearing finish Thanks Dennis. Impromptu does like light air and we worked hard to keep the boat moving consistently. Fortunately it also does pretty well in heavy air. The return home had much heavier weather and we were able to keep the boat moving upwind in over 30 knots through a rough Gulfstream passage with a storm trysail and heavily reefed jib. Back at the dock at 6:20 this morning and happy to be home! Hope that you guys also had a good ride home. Steve -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List getting seasick
Just noticed Joel saying he'd had to turn around because a crewmember was so sick on the way home from Bermuda. (Welcome home, Joel!) *This is a public service message*. As one who suffered for three days on his first offshore passage, I know how bad being seasick can be. Since that time I've racked up more miles under sail than most. I've also introduced a lot of crewmembers and clients to offshore sailing-- where getting seasick is a constant hazard. I have found out what works and what doesn't. I will share it with you for the low, low one-time price of...oh wait, that would mean Stunevermind. During my offshore sailing program where I took sailors to sea for their first offshore experiences, I once had 54 newbies leaving Newport on 10 different boats. our departure was delayed for three days. Each day, we thought we would leave the next day, so everyone took their seasick medication. By the time we finally got out on the water, each crewmember had three days worth of their preferred medication in their system. As a result, only one person was sick in the fairly rough conditions we encountered the first couple of days, and the guy who was sick was a mighty man of the sea who never got seasick and didn't take any meds. It did not matter what kind of meds the sailors were using, as long as it was well into their system. Normally, I would have expected at least 65-75% attrition in those conditions. The above even works for my bride, who gets sick if she looks at a puddle on a windy day. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick
any pointers to or lists of possible MEDS? On Jun 23, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just noticed Joel saying he'd had to turn around because a crewmember was so sick on the way home from Bermuda. (Welcome home, Joel!) This is a public service message. As one who suffered for three days on his first offshore passage, I know how bad being seasick can be. Since that time I've racked up more miles under sail than most. I've also introduced a lot of crewmembers and clients to offshore sailing-- where getting seasick is a constant hazard. I have found out what works and what doesn't. I will share it with you for the low, low one-time price of...oh wait, that would mean Stunevermind. During my offshore sailing program where I took sailors to sea for their first offshore experiences, I once had 54 newbies leaving Newport on 10 different boats. our departure was delayed for three days. Each day, we thought we would leave the next day, so everyone took their seasick medication. By the time we finally got out on the water, each crewmember had three days worth of their preferred medication in their system. As a result, only one person was sick in the fairly rough conditions we encountered the first couple of days, and the guy who was sick was a mighty man of the sea who never got seasick and didn't take any meds. It did not matter what kind of meds the sailors were using, as long as it was well into their system. Normally, I would have expected at least 65-75% attrition in those conditions. The above even works for my bride, who gets sick if she looks at a puddle on a windy day. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick
Thank you Veddy Veddy Much for that PSA on STDs (Sea Transmitted Disease) I have forwarded that to all my Mal de Mar friends. Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 12:58 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List getting seasick Just noticed Joel saying he'd had to turn around because a crewmember was so sick on the way home from Bermuda. (Welcome home, Joel!) This is a public service message. As one who suffered for three days on his first offshore passage, I know how bad being seasick can be. Since that time I've racked up more miles under sail than most. I've also introduced a lot of crewmembers and clients to offshore sailing-- where getting seasick is a constant hazard. I have found out what works and what doesn't. I will share it with you for the low, low one-time price of...oh wait, that would mean Stunevermind. During my offshore sailing program where I took sailors to sea for their first offshore experiences, I once had 54 newbies leaving Newport on 10 different boats. our departure was delayed for three days. Each day, we thought we would leave the next day, so everyone took their seasick medication. By the time we finally got out on the water, each crewmember had three days worth of their preferred medication in their system. As a result, only one person was sick in the fairly rough conditions we encountered the first couple of days, and the guy who was sick was a mighty man of the sea who never got seasick and didn't take any meds. It did not matter what kind of meds the sailors were using, as long as it was well into their system. Normally, I would have expected at least 65-75% attrition in those conditions. The above even works for my bride, who gets sick if she looks at a puddle on a windy day. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick
Interesting...I have never been seasick, even while cleaning up holding tank backflow down below after rounding Cape Scott, so on the latest trip (Friday Harbor to San Francisco) I thought I'd better take some precautions. I used Bonine for the first two days and felt queasy the whole time. I stopped using Bonine after Day 2 and felt much better, as in normal. The next leg (Hawaii to Friday Harbor) I'm going to skip the Bonine and go with my natural iron gut and see how that works out. : ) Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 23 June 2014 11:00, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thank you Veddy Veddy Much for that PSA on STD’s (Sea Transmitted Disease) I have forwarded that to all my Mal de Mar friends. Bill Coleman CC 39 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Burton via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, June 23, 2014 12:58 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List getting seasick Just noticed Joel saying he'd had to turn around because a crewmember was so sick on the way home from Bermuda. (Welcome home, Joel!) *This is a public service message*. As one who suffered for three days on his first offshore passage, I know how bad being seasick can be. Since that time I've racked up more miles under sail than most. I've also introduced a lot of crewmembers and clients to offshore sailing-- where getting seasick is a constant hazard. I have found out what works and what doesn't. I will share it with you for the low, low one-time price of...oh wait, that would mean Stunevermind. During my offshore sailing program where I took sailors to sea for their first offshore experiences, I once had 54 newbies leaving Newport on 10 different boats. our departure was delayed for three days. Each day, we thought we would leave the next day, so everyone took their seasick medication. By the time we finally got out on the water, each crewmember had three days worth of their preferred medication in their system. As a result, only one person was sick in the fairly rough conditions we encountered the first couple of days, and the guy who was sick was a mighty man of the sea who never got seasick and didn't take any meds. It did not matter what kind of meds the sailors were using, as long as it was well into their system. Normally, I would have expected at least 65-75% attrition in those conditions. The above even works for my bride, who gets sick if she looks at a puddle on a windy day. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick
I am soon to depart for Bermuda to help bring a J/133 home. I can be prone to seasickness especially if I am down below trying to navigate / read etc in poor conditions. I had heard before about the three day ahead dosing trick so will be taking Stugeron from Thursday onwards. Unfortunately Stugeron is not available in the States (I get mine brought over from the UK) -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Jun 23, 2014, at 13:01, D Harben via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: any pointers to or lists of possible MEDS? On Jun 23, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just noticed Joel saying he'd had to turn around because a crewmember was so sick on the way home from Bermuda. (Welcome home, Joel!) This is a public service message. As one who suffered for three days on his first offshore passage, I know how bad being seasick can be. Since that time I've racked up more miles under sail than most. I've also introduced a lot of crewmembers and clients to offshore sailing-- where getting seasick is a constant hazard. I have found out what works and what doesn't. I will share it with you for the low, low one-time price of...oh wait, that would mean Stunevermind. During my offshore sailing program where I took sailors to sea for their first offshore experiences, I once had 54 newbies leaving Newport on 10 different boats. our departure was delayed for three days. Each day, we thought we would leave the next day, so everyone took their seasick medication. By the time we finally got out on the water, each crewmember had three days worth of their preferred medication in their system. As a result, only one person was sick in the fairly rough conditions we encountered the first couple of days, and the guy who was sick was a mighty man of the sea who never got seasick and didn't take any meds. It did not matter what kind of meds the sailors were using, as long as it was well into their system. Normally, I would have expected at least 65-75% attrition in those conditions. The above even works for my bride, who gets sick if she looks at a puddle on a windy day. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Annapolis to Bermuda Race nearing finish
Wow - rough trip home. We had pretty rough conditions in the Gulfstream. Certainly not as enjoyable as the ride out. Steve On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: We hit hampton virginia early this am. Blew out the#2 and the baby stay on the way home. After a day we had to return to Bermuda to drop off a sick crew member. Joel On Saturday, June 21, 2014, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Steve, You guys did a great job. It’s always nice to see a CC sailed well. As of earlier today, The Office was still about 200 miles from Norfolk. Jake *Jake Brodersen* *“Midnight Mistress”* *CC 35 Mk-III* *Hampton Va* *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Sharkey via CnC-List *Sent:* Saturday, June 21, 2014 12:14 PM *To:* Frederick G Street; Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Annapolis to Bermuda Race nearing finish Thanks Dennis. Impromptu does like light air and we worked hard to keep the boat moving consistently. Fortunately it also does pretty well in heavy air. The return home had much heavier weather and we were able to keep the boat moving upwind in over 30 knots through a rough Gulfstream passage with a storm trysail and heavily reefed jib. Back at the dock at 6:20 this morning and happy to be home! Hope that you guys also had a good ride home. Steve -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick
Jonathan, I am off on Monday to bring an X 44 to her home in Stonington. See you there! Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I am soon to depart for Bermuda to help bring a J/133 home. I can be prone to seasickness especially if I am down below trying to navigate / read etc in poor conditions. I had heard before about the three day ahead dosing trick so will be taking Stugeron from Thursday onwards. Unfortunately Stugeron is not available in the States (I get mine brought over from the UK) -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Jun 23, 2014, at 13:01, D Harben via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: any pointers to or lists of possible MEDS? On Jun 23, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just noticed Joel saying he'd had to turn around because a crewmember was so sick on the way home from Bermuda. (Welcome home, Joel!) *This is a public service message*. As one who suffered for three days on his first offshore passage, I know how bad being seasick can be. Since that time I've racked up more miles under sail than most. I've also introduced a lot of crewmembers and clients to offshore sailing-- where getting seasick is a constant hazard. I have found out what works and what doesn't. I will share it with you for the low, low one-time price of...oh wait, that would mean Stunevermind. During my offshore sailing program where I took sailors to sea for their first offshore experiences, I once had 54 newbies leaving Newport on 10 different boats. our departure was delayed for three days. Each day, we thought we would leave the next day, so everyone took their seasick medication. By the time we finally got out on the water, each crewmember had three days worth of their preferred medication in their system. As a result, only one person was sick in the fairly rough conditions we encountered the first couple of days, and the guy who was sick was a mighty man of the sea who never got seasick and didn't take any meds. It did not matter what kind of meds the sailors were using, as long as it was well into their system. Normally, I would have expected at least 65-75% attrition in those conditions. The above even works for my bride, who gets sick if she looks at a puddle on a windy day. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick
The couple of times I’ve been sick, the Stugeron worked well — even AFTER the onset of symptoms. Your mileage may vary; and know that it’s NOT approved for use in the U.S. But widely available in most of the rest of the world. And online via canadianpharmacyonline.com… As a disclaimer, I’m not a physician (although the Admiral is). I’m not advocating this for everyone. I’m just passing on personal experience… check with your doctor before dosing yourself with anything. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 23, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I am soon to depart for Bermuda to help bring a J/133 home. I can be prone to seasickness especially if I am down below trying to navigate / read etc in poor conditions. I had heard before about the three day ahead dosing trick so will be taking Stugeron from Thursday onwards. Unfortunately Stugeron is not available in the States (I get mine brought over from the UK) -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick/ choices?
But Andy, What's the order of your prescriptions? Minor to Stergeron, almost all choices only work for 20% of the population. I do fine with Bomine in my system, and we all are a little sluggish the first couple days. We did have a doc suggest cutting the patches in half - you may not need the whole dose. 2 cents, Lee Thank you Veddy Veddy Much for that PSA on STD's (Sea Transmitted Disease) I have forwarded that to all my Mal de Mar friends. Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 12:58 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List getting seasick Just noticed Joel saying he'd had to turn around because a crewmember was so sick on the way home from Bermuda. (Welcome home, Joel!) This is a public service message. As one who suffered for three days on his first offshore passage, I know how bad being seasick can be. Since that time I've racked up more miles under sail than most. I've also introduced a lot of crewmembers and clients to offshore sailing-- where getting seasick is a constant hazard. I have found out what works and what doesn't. I will share it with you for the low, low one-time price of...oh wait, that would mean Stunevermind. During my offshore sailing program where I took sailors to sea for their first offshore experiences, I once had 54 newbies leaving Newport on 10 different boats. our departure was delayed for three days. Each day, we thought we would leave the next day, so everyone took their seasick medication. By the time we finally got out on the water, each crewmember had three days worth of their preferred medication in their system. As a result, only one person was sick in the fairly rough conditions we encountered the first couple of days, and the guy who was sick was a mighty man of the sea who never got seasick and didn't take any meds. It did not matter what kind of meds the sailors were using, as long as it was well into their system. Normally, I would have expected at least 65-75% attrition in those conditions. The above even works for my bride, who gets sick if she looks at a puddle on a windy day. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Lee Youngblood l...@1gigharbor.com (425) 444-9109 Your Shilshole Sailboat Broker Gig Harbor Yacht Sales | Seattle Office @ Dockside Solutions 7001 Seaview Avenue NW #160 Seattle, WA 98117 New Office Phone (206) 707-1778 GHYS website: http://www.1gigharbor.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick
I'm somewhat prone to seasickness. I found through personal experience when I was much younger the following three precautions that I try my best to follow: 1. Get enough sleep the night before boating. Being sleepy is similar to dizziness (at least for me) and sleepiness can make seasickness (unless it is caused by Bonine) more likely (unless you can just sleep) 2. Don't be hung-over. Same as sleepiness but with nausea added. Starting out like that is a bad move. 3. Eat a decent breakfast. Low blood sugar and/or a stomach full of junk (candy bars, Fritos, donuts) can cause dizziness and nausea which the gentle motion of the sea will push squarely into the red zone. I've tried ginger in various forms and am not quite convinced of its effectiveness. Never heard of Stugeron but am now interested in trying it. I see online that the active ingredient is an antihistamine: Cinnarzine. How is the drowsiness compared to that of Bonine (meclizine)? I see that the brain has a vomit center. The trick is to prevent signals originating in the inner ear from reaching the VC. Apparently antihistamines are able to do this. And, it seems, they always make you more or less sleepy. Ron On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The couple of times I’ve been sick, the Stugeron worked well — even AFTER the onset of symptoms. Your mileage may vary; and know that it’s NOT approved for use in the U.S. But widely available in most of the rest of the world. And online via canadianpharmacyonline.com… As a disclaimer, I’m not a physician (although the Admiral is). I’m not advocating this for everyone. I’m just passing on personal experience… check with your doctor before dosing yourself with anything. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 23, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I am soon to depart for Bermuda to help bring a J/133 home. I can be prone to seasickness especially if I am down below trying to navigate / read etc in poor conditions. I had heard before about the three day ahead dosing trick so will be taking Stugeron from Thursday onwards. Unfortunately Stugeron is not available in the States (I get mine brought over from the UK) -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick/ choices?
I noticed that it didn't seem to matter what people took as long as they took something. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: But Andy, What's the order of your prescriptions? Minor to Stergeron, almost all choices only work for 20% of the population. I do fine with Bomine in my system, and we all are a little sluggish the first couple days. We did have a doc suggest cutting the patches in half - you may not need the whole dose. 2 cents, Lee Thank you Veddy Veddy Much for that PSA on STD's (Sea Transmitted Disease) I have forwarded that to all my Mal de Mar friends. Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 12:58 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List getting seasick Just noticed Joel saying he'd had to turn around because a crewmember was so sick on the way home from Bermuda. (Welcome home, Joel!) This is a public service message. As one who suffered for three days on his first offshore passage, I know how bad being seasick can be. Since that time I've racked up more miles under sail than most. I've also introduced a lot of crewmembers and clients to offshore sailing-- where getting seasick is a constant hazard. I have found out what works and what doesn't. I will share it with you for the low, low one-time price of...oh wait, that would mean Stunevermind. During my offshore sailing program where I took sailors to sea for their first offshore experiences, I once had 54 newbies leaving Newport on 10 different boats. our departure was delayed for three days. Each day, we thought we would leave the next day, so everyone took their seasick medication. By the time we finally got out on the water, each crewmember had three days worth of their preferred medication in their system. As a result, only one person was sick in the fairly rough conditions we encountered the first couple of days, and the guy who was sick was a mighty man of the sea who never got seasick and didn't take any meds. It did not matter what kind of meds the sailors were using, as long as it was well into their system. Normally, I would have expected at least 65-75% attrition in those conditions. The above even works for my bride, who gets sick if she looks at a puddle on a windy day. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/htt p://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Lee Youngblood l...@1gigharbor.com (425) 444-9109 Your Shilshole Sailboat Broker Gig Harbor Yacht Sales | Seattle Office @ Dockside Solutions 7001 Seaview Avenue NW #160 Seattle, WA 98117 New Office Phone (206) 707-1778 GHYS website: http://www.1gigharbor.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick
I recommend Zofran,an anti nausea drug. Only needed it twice this time, but I was glad I had it. I also use the scolpalamine patch. Joel On Monday, June 23, 2014, Ron Kaye via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'm somewhat prone to seasickness. I found through personal experience when I was much younger the following three precautions that I try my best to follow: 1. Get enough sleep the night before boating. Being sleepy is similar to dizziness (at least for me) and sleepiness can make seasickness (unless it is caused by Bonine) more likely (unless you can just sleep) 2. Don't be hung-over. Same as sleepiness but with nausea added. Starting out like that is a bad move. 3. Eat a decent breakfast. Low blood sugar and/or a stomach full of junk (candy bars, Fritos, donuts) can cause dizziness and nausea which the gentle motion of the sea will push squarely into the red zone. I've tried ginger in various forms and am not quite convinced of its effectiveness. Never heard of Stugeron but am now interested in trying it. I see online that the active ingredient is an antihistamine: Cinnarzine. How is the drowsiness compared to that of Bonine (meclizine)? I see that the brain has a vomit center. The trick is to prevent signals originating in the inner ear from reaching the VC. Apparently antihistamines are able to do this. And, it seems, they always make you more or less sleepy. Ron On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: The couple of times I’ve been sick, the Stugeron worked well — even AFTER the onset of symptoms. Your mileage may vary; and know that it’s NOT approved for use in the U.S. But widely available in most of the rest of the world. And online via canadianpharmacyonline.com… As a disclaimer, I’m not a physician (although the Admiral is). I’m not advocating this for everyone. I’m just passing on personal experience… check with your doctor before dosing yourself with *anything*. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 23, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: I am soon to depart for Bermuda to help bring a J/133 home. I can be prone to seasickness especially if I am down below trying to navigate / read etc in poor conditions. I had heard before about the three day ahead dosing trick so will be taking Stugeron from Thursday onwards. Unfortunately Stugeron is not available in the States (I get mine brought over from the UK) -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick/ choices?
Not as many miles as Andy, but 8 Bermuda round trips a dozen round-trips Maine to Florida/Carribean et al... Sturgeron has been the drug of choice all those times for those prone. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:02:29 -0700 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List getting seasick/ choices? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com But Andy, What's the order of your prescriptions? Minor to Stergeron, almost all choices only work for 20% of the population. I do fine with Bomine in my system, and we all are a little sluggish the first couple days. We did have a doc suggest cutting the patches in half - you may not need the whole dose. 2 cents, Lee Thank you Veddy Veddy Much for that PSA on STD's (Sea Transmitted Disease) I have forwarded that to all my Mal de Mar friends. Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 12:58 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List getting seasick Just noticed Joel saying he'd had to turn around because a crewmember was so sick on the way home from Bermuda. (Welcome home, Joel!) This is a public service message. As one who suffered for three days on his first offshore passage, I know how bad being seasick can be. Since that time I've racked up more miles under sail than most. I've also introduced a lot of crewmembers and clients to offshore sailing-- where getting seasick is a constant hazard. I have found out what works and what doesn't. I will share it with you for the low, low one-time price of...oh wait, that would mean Stunevermind. During my offshore sailing program where I took sailors to sea for their first offshore experiences, I once had 54 newbies leaving Newport on 10 different boats. our departure was delayed for three days. Each day, we thought we would leave the next day, so everyone took their seasick medication. By the time we finally got out on the water, each crewmember had three days worth of their preferred medication in their system. As a result, only one person was sick in the fairly rough conditions we encountered the first couple of days, and the guy who was sick was a mighty man of the sea who never got seasick and didn't take any meds. It did not matter what kind of meds the sailors were using, as long as it was well into their system. Normally, I would have expected at least 65-75% attrition in those conditions. The above even works for my bride, who gets sick if she looks at a puddle on a windy day. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Lee Youngblood l...@1gigharbor.com (425) 444-9109 Your Shilshole Sailboat Broker Gig Harbor Yacht Sales | Seattle Office @ Dockside Solutions 7001 Seaview Avenue NW #160 Seattle, WA 98117 New Office Phone (206) 707-1778 GHYS website: http://www.1gigharbor.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick
I don¹t have much opportunity to get seasick here on Lake Champlain, but on the cold, stormy North Pacific in Alaska, where I lived for years (my brother still has a fishing boat on Prince William Sound) I was always seasick. Sailing on the Tustumena from Homer to Kodiak, often meant 9 hours of 30 foot seas and 40-50 know wind. Dramamine didn¹t work for me, although I¹m intrigued by the 3 day previous idea, but since then I found ginger. Not the tiny amount in ginger ale or ginger snaps, but the chewable wafers that melt in your mouth that contain lots of real ginger. If you can¹t find those, then crystallized ginger can be found in health food stores and co-ops and also works well. My partner Kathy gets seasick watching boats from shore, and the ginger really works for her. Ed From: D Harben sailadventu...@rogers.com Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:01:17 -0400 To: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List getting seasick any pointers to or lists of possible MEDS? On Jun 23, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just noticed Joel saying he'd had to turn around because a crewmember was so sick on the way home from Bermuda. (Welcome home, Joel!) This is a public service message. As one who suffered for three days on his first offshore passage, I know how bad being seasick can be. Since that time I've racked up more miles under sail than most. I've also introduced a lot of crewmembers and clients to offshore sailing-- where getting seasick is a constant hazard. I have found out what works and what doesn't. I will share it with you for the low, low one-time price of...oh wait, that would mean Stunevermind. During my offshore sailing program where I took sailors to sea for their first offshore experiences, I once had 54 newbies leaving Newport on 10 different boats. our departure was delayed for three days. Each day, we thought we would leave the next day, so everyone took their seasick medication. By the time we finally got out on the water, each crewmember had three days worth of their preferred medication in their system. As a result, only one person was sick in the fairly rough conditions we encountered the first couple of days, and the guy who was sick was a mighty man of the sea who never got seasick and didn't take any meds. It did not matter what kind of meds the sailors were using, as long as it was well into their system. Normally, I would have expected at least 65-75% attrition in those conditions. The above even works for my bride, who gets sick if she looks at a puddle on a windy day. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick
I’ve had very good luck with Stugeron. I took it once during an ocean race where I was below for an extended period doing a bunch of clean up in rough conditions and was feeling better pretty quickly I’ve also seen it work with people that are prone to seasickness. I have not had a problem with drowsiness. Steve Sharkey Impromptu From: Ron Kaye via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 4:11 PM To: Frederick G Street ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List getting seasick I'm somewhat prone to seasickness. I found through personal experience when I was much younger the following three precautions that I try my best to follow: 1. Get enough sleep the night before boating. Being sleepy is similar to dizziness (at least for me) and sleepiness can make seasickness (unless it is caused by Bonine) more likely (unless you can just sleep) 2. Don't be hung-over. Same as sleepiness but with nausea added. Starting out like that is a bad move. 3. Eat a decent breakfast. Low blood sugar and/or a stomach full of junk (candy bars, Fritos, donuts) can cause dizziness and nausea which the gentle motion of the sea will push squarely into the red zone. I've tried ginger in various forms and am not quite convinced of its effectiveness. Never heard of Stugeron but am now interested in trying it. I see online that the active ingredient is an antihistamine: Cinnarzine. How is the drowsiness compared to that of Bonine (meclizine)? I see that the brain has a vomit center. The trick is to prevent signals originating in the inner ear from reaching the VC. Apparently antihistamines are able to do this. And, it seems, they always make you more or less sleepy. Ron On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The couple of times I’ve been sick, the Stugeron worked well — even AFTER the onset of symptoms. Your mileage may vary; and know that it’s NOT approved for use in the U.S. But widely available in most of the rest of the world. And online via canadianpharmacyonline.com… As a disclaimer, I’m not a physician (although the Admiral is). I’m not advocating this for everyone. I’m just passing on personal experience… check with your doctor before dosing yourself with anything. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 23, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I am soon to depart for Bermuda to help bring a J/133 home. I can be prone to seasickness especially if I am down below trying to navigate / read etc in poor conditions. I had heard before about the three day ahead dosing trick so will be taking Stugeron from Thursday onwards. Unfortunately Stugeron is not available in the States (I get mine brought over from the UK) -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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