Re: Stus-List outboard size

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

You will like lightweight and the little Suzuki 2.5 hp is the lightest on
the market I think and it will easily do the trick

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Michael Jones via CnC-List <
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> Ls and Gs
>
> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am
> looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size
> required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough
> to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to
> 5hp but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
>
> Thanks and regards
>
> Mike Jones
> Seanachai, 1981 C&C 34
> Victoria
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Re: Stus-List Bermuda1-2 lessons learned

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

David

 

Have used cotter rings for years - no issues.  Be sure you use rings that
both ends are flush with the ring - one end does not bend into the circle.
Using pliers makes it easy to install or remove

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David
Knecht via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 10:12 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda1-2 lessons learned

 

I saw a boat recently which had large cotter rings through the turnbuckles
instead of cotter pins.  This looked like a great idea to me as I sometimes
find it difficult to get bent cotter pins back out of the turnbuckles.  Any
down side of using rings instead of pins?  Dave

 

On Oct 27, 2015, at 8:07 PM, David Paine via CnC-List
 wrote:





Answers for Patrick:

 

> 3) 

Is the exhaust hose looped up?  Yes but not enough.  Usually there is a
flapper valve on the exhaust but the reverse transom angle and the angled
cut of the exhaust make commercial ones unusable.

 

4) Does your fuel tank vent line not have a check valve in it?  (1-way valve
to allow air egress but prevent water ingress)  Or was the check valve not
working? 

 

No check valve and in any case, a check valve allows flow of air or water in
only one direction.  If it were put in correctly the fuel couldn't get out
but displacement air and water could. 

 

9) What do you mean by "wire" a turnbuckle?  Did your turnbuckles not have
cotter pins in them on the upper stays?  (Is running without pins actually
something people do??)

 

Heck yeah, who uses cotter pins?  I use stainless steel wire through the
hole in both screws and through the body of the turnbuckle..  Cheap and
easy. 

 

 

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 11:51 AM,  wrote:

 

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From: David Paine 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: 
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:50:37 -0400
Subject: Stus-List Bermuda1-2 lessons learned

Hi All,

 

As I mentioned last spring as part of a question about life rafts, I had
planned to sail  my C&C33-1  solo to Bermuda and back (double handed) in the
Bermuda1-2 race.  I did,  It was fun, it was terrifying, it was expensive to
prepare for, and it was frustrating as I did not do well (dfl) in my class
in part because of the high winds and seas near the gulf stream probably
favored the  HR49 and other heavyweights in my class but mostly because I
was climbing a steep learning curve.   Of course, a C&C35-1 won the return
and did well on the way there so (in my case) it's the sailor not the boat.
In preparation for the next one, I need to resolve a few issues with the
boat and a lot with the skipper.  I was putting together a list that I
thought I would share.

 

(1)  The autopilot has to be more than bullet proof.   I thought my below
deck pilot was, but I was wrong, and as a result I found myself upside down
in the cockpit locker and crawling deep underneath the cockpit floor in
horrible conditions to tighten bolts that allowed the tiller arm to slip (no
woodruff key or slot to put it in).  I lost a lot of time bobbing around
with the sails down repairing the autopilot or sleeping.   The fix for this
one is obvious but will require dismantling the quadrant and figuring out
how to bolt the tiller arm to it.  Other issues with the autopilot were
completely my own fault as I made changes to the electronics but did not
have time to proof test the changes.  

 

(2) When a wave fills the cockpit and it gets flooded (and it did
repeatedly) the engine instruments are going to get wet.  This is not good
as the switches will (and did) fail, I am considering relocation or creating
a waterproof cover.

 

(3) Following seas WILL drive water up the tailpipe and into the engine.  As
a result, I sailed into St Georges harbor and up to the customs dock then I
spent a day in Bermuda sucking water out of the engine and drying it out
enough to get it started.   For the return trip, I put a plug in the exhaust
pipe but the plug was washed out in the "washing machine like conditions"
and ... we got to sail the boat into the Newport Yacht Club dock at 3:00 am
on no sleep.  Then spend another day pumping oily water out of the engine.
Yeah, slow learner.  

 

(4)  The fuel tank vent on my boat is high up on the starboard side but by
the time I got to Bermuda, the tank had a quart of water in it (which I
siphoned out).  Good filters (a racor) helped but I need to relocate the
vent -- the question is where?  It may not be wise but on the return trip I
wrapped the vent with tape (which, if I had run the engine I would have
removed)   A better solution is needed.

 

(5)  Reefing has to be quick and easy -- I spent far too much time screwing
up enough courage to go to the mast to reef and shake-out.  My current
reefing system (probably original to the boat) has a winch on the boom which
makes the first reef fine but I used all three reef points and releasin

Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Dennis

I used to race on a Peterson 37 for a while.  Boat name is Valour and I believe 
it is still on East Coast somewhere.  Would this be the same boat?

Mike

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To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today.  Interesting piece of 
equipment.  Simple design but effective.
Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides in/out 
through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting clips onto 
in the retracted or extended position.  The tack line passes through the pole 
exiting through each of the end fittings.  The base of the ring is offset so 
you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends to one side 
of the forestay.  We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring a bit so the 
sprit pole would clear a tack fitting.  Simple install.  took about 3 hours.
Couple things to watch out for.  First, the kits are offered in several 
diameters.  As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed 
extension beyond the ring for bigger boats.  Be sure to order one large enough 
to get the extension you need.  Second, check with your local handicap 
organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended 
dimension.  Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the 
deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit 
to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay).
The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes.  However, you can install more at 
different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the 
bow or measure point.
The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below.  This is good for boats with 
an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the sprit.

Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different measurements.
We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point.  That 
way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going upwind.
I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested.
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Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Charlie

In many areas adding a sprit IN ADDITION to the pole and symmetric spinnaker 
will result in an adjustment to the PHRF rating for the boat.  This may not be 
the case if adding a sprit and asym IN PLACE of a pole and symmetric spinnaker

Mike

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Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 12:05 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Charles Nelson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

So if one is club racing under PHRF with a racer-cruiser C&C 36 XL (non-planing 
for sure!), does adding a sprit and asymmetric kite improve its performance 
relative to a mast head symmetrical kite assuming no change in its PHRF rating?

I gather from the list over the years that for round the buoy racing at least 
there is no appreciable gain in performance.

I can appreciate that in distance races and perhaps triangle courses it may 
provide a speed advantage at some apparent wind angles but am not convinced 
that it provides an advantage for W-L courses.

What say the list?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb






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Re: Stus-List Bermuda1-2 lessons learned

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Billy Currington says it best "people are crazy". No way no how would I
want that experience...happy you survived and were able to write such a
good report...I got into sailing many years ago because I thought it was
fun and relaxing.  what you went thru is not my idea of fun or relaxation
but good for you if you like it

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:50 PM, David Paine via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> As I mentioned last spring as part of a question about life rafts, I had
> planned to sail  my C&C33-1  solo to Bermuda and back (double handed) in
> the Bermuda1-2 race.  I did,  It was fun, it was terrifying, it was
> expensive to prepare for, and it was frustrating as I did not do well (dfl)
> in my class in part because of the high winds and seas near the gulf stream
> probably favored the  HR49 and other heavyweights in my class but mostly
> because I was climbing a steep learning curve.   Of course, a C&C35-1 won
> the return and did well on the way there so (in my case) it's the sailor
> not the boat.  In preparation for the next one, I need to resolve a few
> issues with the boat and a lot with the skipper.  I was putting together a
> list that I thought I would share.
>
> (1)  The autopilot has to be more than bullet proof.   I thought my below
> deck pilot was, but I was wrong, and as a result I found myself upside down
> in the cockpit locker and crawling deep underneath the cockpit floor in
> horrible conditions to tighten bolts that allowed the tiller arm to slip
> (no woodruff key or slot to put it in).  I lost a lot of time bobbing
> around with the sails down repairing the autopilot or sleeping.   The fix
> for this one is obvious but will require dismantling the quadrant and
> figuring out how to bolt the tiller arm to it.  Other issues with the
> autopilot were completely my own fault as I made changes to the electronics
> but did not have time to proof test the changes.
>
> (2) When a wave fills the cockpit and it gets flooded (and it did
> repeatedly) the engine instruments are going to get wet.  This is not good
> as the switches will (and did) fail, I am considering relocation or
> creating a waterproof cover.
>
> (3) Following seas WILL drive water up the tailpipe and into the engine.
> As a result, I sailed into St Georges harbor and up to the customs dock
> then I spent a day in Bermuda sucking water out of the engine and drying it
> out enough to get it started.   For the return trip, I put a plug in the
> exhaust pipe but the plug was washed out in the "washing machine like
> conditions" and ... we got to sail the boat into the Newport Yacht Club
> dock at 3:00 am on no sleep.  Then spend another day pumping oily water out
> of the engine.  Yeah, slow learner.
>
> (4)  The fuel tank vent on my boat is high up on the starboard side but by
> the time I got to Bermuda, the tank had a quart of water in it (which I
> siphoned out).  Good filters (a racor) helped but I need to relocate the
> vent -- the question is where?  It may not be wise but on the return trip I
> wrapped the vent with tape (which, if I had run the engine I would have
> removed)   A better solution is needed.
>
> (5)  Reefing has to be quick and easy -- I spent far too much time
> screwing up enough courage to go to the mast to reef and shake-out.  My
> current reefing system (probably original to the boat) has a winch on the
> boom which makes the first reef fine but I used all three reef points and
> releasing the last reef before pulling in the next in 35-40 kn of breeze is
> a nightmare.   I need to work on leading the lines to the cockpit.
>
> (6) A removable inner forestay and a blade foresail might be nice.  My new
> furling 130 spent a lot of time furled 50% and that really has screwed up
> the shape of my formerly new and now blown out 130.
>
> (7) The boat was reasonably dry inside (a result of hours of rebedding
> hardware) but somehow the mast collar leaked like a sieve.  The boot looks
> perfect so it has to be the where the Al collar (mast partners) meets the
> deck -- who would have thought that the one place I didn't rebed would be a
> problem!
>
> (8) Hoisting a radar reflect on a flag halyard to the spreaders seems like
> a good idea until the line breaks and you lose both.
>
> (9) The one turnbuckle that I did not wire was the port diamond stay.
> Turns out the mast will stay up without this - whew!   It is extremely
> unnerving to see a piece of wire swinging around at night in a blow.  Wire
> everything. And use lock tight on critical bolts -- my solar panel broke
> loose as a result of a bolt getting unscrewed.
>
> (10)  Fighting with a 10 foot long spinnaker pole to fly the spin gets
> really old. Luckily the wind only died down enough to fly the spinnaker at
> the end of the race but if the conditions had been more benign, I would
> have had to fly the spinnaker much more.   An a

Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

I like lightweight more than dink speed and have been happy with a 27 lb.,
1.2 hp(!) Johnson/Evinrude 2-stroke, available used for ~$300 here. It
moves an inflatable WM dink carrying 2-3 people with dignity, not thrills.
Being several decades past my twenties, I find 27 lbs a very attractive
feature that drove my choice. I have not yet made the mistake of trying it
in heavy seas or winds but I'm sure that will happen, and I will still be
better off than previously (I've been rowing.).

Nate

"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Lake St. Croix, Hudson, WI

Tartan 31
Siskiwit Bay
Lake Superior





On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:03 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You will like lightweight and the little Suzuki 2.5 hp is the lightest on
> the market I think and it will easily do the trick
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Michael Jones via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Ls and Gs
>>
>> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and
>> am looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate
>> size required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be
>> enough to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says
>> up to 5hp but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
>>
>> Thanks and regards
>>
>> Mike Jones
>> Seanachai, 1981 C&C 34
>> Victoria
>>
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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

I have a 3.5 hp, 30 pound Tohatsu outboard which makes my portabote get 
up on plane quite easily.


Bill Bina

On 10/29/2015 8:59 AM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List wrote:
I like lightweight more than dink speed and have been happy with a 27 
lb., 1.2 hp(!) Johnson/Evinrude 2-stroke, available used for ~$300 
here. It moves an inflatable WM dink carrying 2-3 people with dignity, 
not thrills. Being several decades past my twenties, I find 27 lbs a 
very attractive feature that drove my choice. I have not yet made the 
mistake of trying it in heavy seas or winds but I'm sure that will 
happen, and I will still be better off than previously (I've been 
rowing.).


Nate

"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Lake St. Croix, Hudson, WI

Tartan 31
Siskiwit Bay
Lake Superior




On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:03 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


You will like lightweight and the little Suzuki 2.5 hp is the
lightest on the market I think and it will easily do the trick

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, */Alianna/*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net 


On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Michael Jones via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Ls and Gs

Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as
tender and am looking at second hand outboard options. Can you
advise me of adequate size required? Specifically I have seen
a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to potter to the dock
and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but
that seeems a bit much and heavy.

Thanks and regards

Mike Jones
Seanachai, 1981 C&C 34
Victoria

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Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

No Clue, Mike.  This boat came from the Chesapeake area where it was, and
still is, named "Whiskers".  Now on its 3rd owner.

Dennis

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis
>
>
>
> I used to race on a Peterson 37 for a while.  Boat name is Valour and I
> believe it is still on East Coast somewhere.  Would this be the same boat?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25 PM
> *To:* CnClist
> *Cc:* Dennis C.
> *Subject:* Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
>
>
>
> Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today.  Interesting piece of
> equipment.  Simple design but effective.
>
> Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides
> in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting
> clips onto in the retracted or extended position.  The tack line passes
> through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings.  The base of the
> ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the
> pole extends to one side of the forestay.  We had to make a StarBoard base
> to lift the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting.
> Simple install.  took about 3 hours.
>
> Couple things to watch out for.  First, the kits are offered in several
> diameters.  As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer
> allowed extension beyond the ring for bigger boats.  Be sure to order one
> large enough to get the extension you need.  Second, check with your local
> handicap organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure
> the extended dimension.  Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is
> tacked low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to
> have the tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck
> on one side of the forestay).
>
> The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes.  However, you can install more at
> different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from
> the bow or measure point.
>
> The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below.  This is good for boats
> with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the
> sprit.
>
>
>
> Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different
> measurements.
>
> We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point.
> That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when
> going upwind.
>
> I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested.
>
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Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

[Harry Hallgring via CnC-List]

Mike,


Mass. Maritime had a DP 37 design, Wiggers built named Valour at auction about 
five years back.  I remember it had some sort of a coat of arms on the transom??




Harry Hallgring
hhallgr...@icloud.com


On Oct 29, 2015, at 08:39 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List"  
wrote:







Dennis



I used to race on a Peterson 37 for a while.  Boat name is Valour and I believe 
it is still on East Coast somewhere.  Would this be the same boat?



Mike



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Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install










Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today.  Interesting piece of 
equipment.  Simple design but effective.

Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides in/out 
through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting clips onto 
in the retracted or extended position.  The tack line passes through the pole 
exiting through each of the end fittings.  The base of the ring is offset so 
you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends to one side 
of the forestay.  We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring a bit so the 
sprit pole would clear a tack fitting.  Simple install.  took about 3 hours.

Couple things to watch out for.  First, the kits are offered in several 
diameters.  As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed 
extension beyond the ring for bigger boats.  Be sure to order one large enough 
to get the extension you need.  Second, check with your local handicap 
organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended 
dimension.  Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the 
deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit 
to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay).

The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes.  However, you can install more at 
different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the 
bow or measure point.


The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below.  This is good for boats with 
an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the sprit.




Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different measurements. 


We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point.  That 
way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going upwind.

I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested.
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Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Harry

That is the same boat

Mike

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Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Harry Hallgring
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

Mike,
Mass. Maritime had a DP 37 design, Wiggers built named Valour at auction about 
five years back.  I remember it had some sort of a coat of arms on the transom??

Harry Hallgring

hhallgr...@icloud.com

On Oct 29, 2015, at 08:39 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Dennis

I used to race on a Peterson 37 for a while.  Boat name is Valour and I believe 
it is still on East Coast somewhere.  Would this be the same boat?

Mike

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today.  Interesting piece of 
equipment.  Simple design but effective.
Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides in/out 
through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting clips onto 
in the retracted or extended position.  The tack line passes through the pole 
exiting through each of the end fittings.  The base of the ring is offset so 
you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends to one side 
of the forestay.  We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring a bit so the 
sprit pole would clear a tack fitting.  Simple install.  took about 3 hours.
Couple things to watch out for.  First, the kits are offered in several 
diameters.  As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed 
extension beyond the ring for bigger boats.  Be sure to order one large enough 
to get the extension you need.  Second, check with your local handicap 
organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended 
dimension.  Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the 
deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit 
to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay).
The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes.  However, you can install more at 
different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the 
bow or measure point.
The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below.  This is good for boats with 
an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the sprit.

Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different measurements.
We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point.  That 
way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going upwind.
I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested.
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Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Charlie,

A sprit will result in a rating penalty.  It probably won't help in a W-L
course.

Joel

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Harry
>
>
>
> That is the same boat
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Harry
> Hallgring via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:41 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Harry Hallgring
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> Mass. Maritime had a DP 37 design, Wiggers built named Valour at auction
> about five years back.  I remember it had some sort of a coat of arms on
> the transom??
>
> Harry Hallgring
>
> hhallgr...@icloud.com
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 08:39 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> I used to race on a Peterson 37 for a while.  Boat name is Valour and I
> believe it is still on East Coast somewhere.  Would this be the same boat?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Dennis C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25 PM
> *To:* CnClist
> *Cc:* Dennis C.
> *Subject:* Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
>
>
>
> Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today.  Interesting piece of
> equipment.  Simple design but effective.
>
> Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides
> in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting
> clips onto in the retracted or extended position.  The tack line passes
> through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings.  The base of the
> ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the
> pole extends to one side of the forestay.  We had to make a StarBoard base
> to lift the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting.
> Simple install.  took about 3 hours.
>
> Couple things to watch out for.  First, the kits are offered in several
> diameters.  As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer
> allowed extension beyond the ring for bigger boats.  Be sure to order one
> large enough to get the extension you need.  Second, check with your local
> handicap organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure
> the extended dimension.  Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is
> tacked low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to
> have the tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck
> on one side of the forestay).
>
> The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes.  However, you can install more at
> different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from
> the bow or measure point.
>
> The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below.  This is good for boats
> with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the
> sprit.
>
>
>
> Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different
> measurements.
>
> We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point.
> That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when
> going upwind.
>
> I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested.
>
>
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-- 
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Re: Stus-List sprit PHRF rating consideration

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Chuck

That is pretty much the same here (Nova Scotia).  However if in conjunction 
with a J length pole and symmetric spin is -3 per 10 % adjusted from the 
handicap with the symmetric spin and pole. I believe phrfne is similar

Mike

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CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:50 AM
To: cenelson; C&C 34/36 Owners; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Cc: Chuck S
Subject: Re: Stus-List sprit PHRF rating consideration


Found some FAQs for New England PHRF ratings when considering adding a sprit.
If I read this right:
9 second add if A-sail is only spinnaker on boat and tacked to bow.
3 seconds deducted for each 10% of unsupported sprit length up to 30% of J.

http://www.phrfne.org/page/582#anchor6333


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


From: "Charles Nelson" mailto:cenel...@aol.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Chuck S" mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:05:02 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

So if one is club racing under PHRF with a racer-cruiser C&C 36 XL (non-planing 
for sure!), does adding a sprit and asymmetric kite improve its performance 
relative to a mast head symmetrical kite assuming no change in its PHRF rating?

I gather from the list over the years that for round the buoy racing at least 
there is no appreciable gain in performance.

I can appreciate that in distance races and perhaps triangle courses it may 
provide a speed advantage at some apparent wind angles but am not convinced 
that it provides an advantage for W-L courses.

What say the list?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb





Sent from my iPad

On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Dennis, Pete,
Does Selden require backing plates under the deck for the ring and outer 
Wichard padeye?

And how far out should it extend?  I thought I needed 5 ft for my 36 footer but 
the Selden guy at the boat show said 3 feet was enough.  He added a longer pole 
would be beneficial if I was having an oversized sail made for it, similar to 
what J-boats carry.   (how much do you want to spend?)

Chuck
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Pete Shelquist" 
mailto:pete.shelqu...@comcast.net>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25:36 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

Good write up Dennis –
I installed one and sailed with it in the 2014 season.  I would add a couple 
items to your review;

1.   Watch the diameter of sprit.   If one has a roller furler, you’ll need 
clearance between it and the deck

2.   In a blow, there is a lot of lift on the front deck fitting.  Careful 
review of the deck should be done in case reinforcement is needed.  I noticed 
weakening in the area even with the addition of a bobstay.

Thanks,


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:25 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today.  Interesting piece of 
equipment.  Simple design but effective.
Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides in/out 
through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting clips onto 
in the retracted or extended position.  The tack line passes through the pole 
exiting through each of the end fittings.  The base of the ring is offset so 
you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends to one side 
of the forestay.  We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring a bit so the 
sprit pole would clear a tack fitting.  Simple install.  took about 3 hours.
Couple things to watch out for.  First, the kits are offered in several 
diameters.  As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed 
extension beyond the ring for bigger boats.  Be sure to order one large enough 
to get the extension you need.  Second, check with your local handicap 
organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended 
dimension.  Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the 
deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit 
to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay).
The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes.  However, you can install more at 
different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the 
bow or measure point.
The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below.  This is good for boats with 
an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the sprit.

Installation was straightforward once you figure out th

Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

The first thing to consider is whether you will get a ratings hit. I have three 
friends who have asym spinnakers added into their sail inventory. They each got 
a three second hit. But, they race offshore and do some medium distance stuff 
(20-80 mile races on the Bay). If the wind is right, the asym is a big help - 
they fly them off the pole so can move the tack back when the wind shifts or 
the course demands it.

Agreed that for buoy racing, the performance gain is nil. But, if one can 
change from regular to asym at will (that is why the 3 seconds) then once in a 
while a big gain can be made with an asym. And one can go back to the 
symmetrical when the wind is aft.

After sailing the last four years on a J-80, I appreciate the simplicity of an 
asym, but really don't like to have to sail all over the river while my 
symmetrical friends are going directly to the next mark. And here in light air, 
we don't get to plane often enough, period.

The boats in question are two Cal 40's and a C&C 115. The Cals rate the same as 
the J-80

My $.02

Gary Nylander
St.Michaels MD
  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Charles Nelson 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install


  So if one is club racing under PHRF with a racer-cruiser C&C 36 XL 
(non-planing for sure!), does adding a sprit and asymmetric kite improve its 
performance relative to a mast head symmetrical kite assuming no change in its 
PHRF rating?


  I gather from the list over the years that for round the buoy racing at least 
there is no appreciable gain in performance.


  I can appreciate that in distance races and perhaps triangle courses it may 
provide a speed advantage at some apparent wind angles but am not convinced 
that it provides an advantage for W-L courses.


  What say the list?


  Charlie Nelson
  Water Phantom
  C&C 36 XL/kcb








  Sent from my iPad

  On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List  
wrote:


Dennis, Pete,
Does Selden require backing plates under the deck for the ring and outer 
Wichard padeye? 

And how far out should it extend?  I thought I needed 5 ft for my 36 footer 
but the Selden guy at the boat show said 3 feet was enough.  He added a longer 
pole would be beneficial if I was having an oversized sail made for it, similar 
to what J-boats carry.   (how much do you want to spend?)

Chuck
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md






From: "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Pete Shelquist" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25:36 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install



Good write up Dennis – 

I installed one and sailed with it in the 2014 season.  I would add a 
couple items to your review;

1.   Watch the diameter of sprit.   If one has a roller furler, you’ll 
need clearance between it and the deck

2.   In a blow, there is a lot of lift on the front deck fitting.  
Careful review of the deck should be done in case reinforcement is needed.  I 
noticed weakening in the area even with the addition of a bobstay.



Thanks,





From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis 
C. via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:25 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install



Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today.  Interesting piece of 
equipment.  Simple design but effective.

Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides 
in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting 
clips onto in the retracted or extended position.  The tack line passes through 
the pole exiting through each of the end fittings.  The base of the ring is 
offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends 
to one side of the forestay.  We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring 
a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting.  Simple install.  took 
about 3 hours.

Couple things to watch out for.  First, the kits are offered in several 
diameters.  As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed 
extension beyond the ring for bigger boats.  Be sure to order one large enough 
to get the extension you need.  Second, check with your local handicap 
organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended 
dimension.  Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the 
deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit 
to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay). 

The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes.  However, you can install more at 
different distances to allow the sprit to extend dif

Re: Stus-List sprit PHRF rating consideration

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Found some FAQs for New England PHRF ratings when considering adding a sprit. 
If I read this right: 
9 second add if A-sail is only spinnaker on boat and tacked to bow. 
3 seconds deducted for each 10% of unsupported sprit length up to 30% of J. 

http://www.phrfne.org/page/582#anchor6333 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Charles Nelson"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Chuck S"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:05:02 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install 

So if one is club racing under PHRF with a racer-cruiser C&C 36 XL (non-planing 
for sure!), does adding a sprit and asymmetric kite improve its performance 
relative to a mast head symmetrical kite assuming no change in its PHRF rating? 

I gather from the list over the years that for round the buoy racing at least 
there is no appreciable gain in performance. 

I can appreciate that in distance races and perhaps triangle courses it may 
provide a speed advantage at some apparent wind angles but am not convinced 
that it provides an advantage for W-L courses. 

What say the list? 

Charlie Nelson 
Water Phantom 
C&C 36 XL/kcb 





Sent from my iPad 

On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 




Dennis, Pete, 
Does Selden require backing plates under the deck for the ring and outer 
Wichard padeye? 
And how far out should it extend? I thought I needed 5 ft for my 36 footer but 
the Selden guy at the boat show said 3 feet was enough. He added a longer pole 
would be beneficial if I was having an oversized sail made for it, similar to 
what J-boats carry. (how much do you want to spend?) 

Chuck 
Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Pete Shelquist" < pete.shelqu...@comcast.net > 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25:36 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install 



Good write up Dennis – 

I installed one and sailed with it in the 2014 season. I would add a couple 
items to your review; 

1. Watch the diameter of sprit. If one has a roller furler, you’ll need 
clearance between it and the deck 

2. In a blow, there is a lot of lift on the front deck fitting. Careful review 
of the deck should be done in case reinforcement is needed. I noticed weakening 
in the area even with the addition of a bobstay. 



Thanks, 






From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:25 PM 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install 





Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of 
equipment. Simple design but effective. 


Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides in/out 
through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting clips onto 
in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes through the pole 
exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the ring is offset so you 
can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends to one side of 
the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring a bit so the 
sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. Simple install. took about 3 hours. 


Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several 
diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed 
extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one large enough 
to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local handicap 
organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended 
dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the 
deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit 
to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay). 


The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes. However, you can install more at 
different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the 
bow or measure point. 


The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below. This is good for boats with 
an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the sprit. 





Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different 
measurements. 


We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point. That 
way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going upwind. 


I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested. 

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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

I have the little Suzuki 2.5. Good engine. 

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:03:26 -0300
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Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: dwight...@gmail.com

You will like lightweight and the little Suzuki 2.5 hp is the lightest on the 
market I think and it will easily do the trick
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Michael Jones via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Ls and Gs

Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to 
potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but 
that seeems a bit much and heavy.

Thanks and regards

Mike Jones
Seanachai, 1981 C&C 34
Victoria


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Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

[TOM VINCENT via CnC-List]

Two years ago I purchased the Selden sprit at the Annapolis Boat Show. It sat 
in my basement for the winter and in the spring I tried to install the sprit to 
no avail. The problem was the anchor roller alignment and the bow cleats did 
not allow the sprit to fit under the furling roller. I returned it and received 
a full refund, my only cost was the shipping cost to return it. 
 
I race my 36 and fly an asymmetrical and have done very well with the chute. We 
have learned how to gybe it and when the air is light from the stern we heel 
the boat and wing to wing the sail. The trimmer and I (I steer) need to work 
together very closely. JSI out of Florida made the sail and I can point fairly 
well, when on a beam reach she flies - no one can touch me.
 
Tom Vincent
Frolic II C&C 36' cb
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Re: Stus-List Signal K interface

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Marek,

Thanks for the added info in the LinkSys wrt54gl. It just happened that I 
had one of these 
units not being used at home, and I noticed that the AC/DC power supply allowed 
for direct 
12V DC powering.  I cut off the brick and used the remaining cord to provide 
the DC power. It 
has been working fine for many months.  

I just search on the open firmware feature you mention, and wow, I am impressed 
at what 
is available.  

-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 8:45 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:02:34 -0400
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Signal K interface
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> 
> Some older ones might be better. You don't need much range or bandwidth on
> the boat, so you might find 11g to be more energy efficient. Unless the AP
> is using sophisticated power management and gears down to maintain the
> lowest required level of signal (some of the better 11ac). Regardless, you
> want one where the transmit power can be adjusted to conserve the energy.
> That wrt54gl can be loaded with an open firmware, which offers plenty of
> options. It uses about 5-6 W (~0.5 A); an interesting feature is that it can
> easily run on from 5 V to (supposedly) 40 V DC. This means that it can
> easily run off the batteries, even if the voltage fluctuates.
> 
> 
> 
> Marek
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List Bermuda1-2 lessons learned

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I'll second the recommendation to move the fuel vent into the interior of
the starboard propane locker which is under the helmsman’s starboard
seat for the reasons stated.

"This would put it out of burying seas on port tack and it has the added
benefit that if there are overflow issues it would let the fuel exit out
the external through-hull at the base of propane locker rather than into a
cabin space."

Ours was relocated there a number of years ago and I have found no downside
to this.  In our case the vent only actually had to be moved a couple of
feet to accomplish this.

It is much easier to deal with a little bit of overflow out the vent when
refueling if the tank is inadvertently overfilled as well.  I put a rag
under the vent when refueling.  Our propane locker is right next to the
fuel fill so it is easy to keep the locker lid open when refueling to
listen to the vent and keep an eye on it.

Is the propane locker on the 33-1 close to the present location of the vent
and fill?

Ken H.
Salazar
C&C 37XL (1990)

On 28 October 2015 at 21:14, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  wrote:

> Following this great recounting of the race and subsequent discussion got
> me to thinking about venting issues. They’re on my list of to-do’s on my
> refit and dove-tail with some things I’ve been rolling around in my mind.
>
> Given that all my external vents and hoses have been removed and are
> awaiting replacement, I’ve been thinking that I may do what Passport yachts
> does which is to vent the fresh-water tanks to the interior of the boat.
> This sounds like what David Risch may have done.
>
> The other critical vent is for the fuel tank which exits high on the
> starboard side, approximately at the forward end of the cockpit just under
> the toe-rail. I’m considering moving that vent to inside the starboard
> propane locker which is under the helmsman’s starboard seat. Not much of a
> distance aft from the original location. This would put it out of burying
> seas on port tack and it has the added benefit that if there are overflow
> issues it would let the fuel exit out the external through-hull at the base
> of propane locker rather than into a cabin space.
>
> As regards the solent stay for heavy weather, I discussed this at length
> with a buddy who worked for Forespar and his suggestion was to have a storm
> sail built with an integral stay that would attach to the toe-rail and
> hoist on the second jib halyard. Granted, this is a storm comfort/survival
> setup as opposed to a racing (pointing…) option. I don’t race my boat so
> not a concern.
>
> Food for thought and opinions welcome given that I’m in ongoing rebuild
> mode.
>
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> On Oct 28, 2015, at 11:05 AM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> I have done numerous Bermuda races aboard Corsair.   Some suggestions;
>
>
>
> *(2) When a wave fills the cockpit and it gets flooded (and it did
> repeatedly) the engine instruments are going to get wet.  This is not good
> as the switches will (and did) fail, I am considering relocation or
> creating a waterproof cover.*Same problem.  Covered it  with the plastic
> used on cars to protect the paint on the nose.  Conforms to the panel
> pretty well.  Not perfect but keeps the most of the water out of the
> electrics.  Can still hear alarm too.
>
>
> *(4)  The fuel tank vent on my boat is high up on the starboard side but
> by the time I got to Bermuda, the tank had a quart of water in it (which I
> siphoned out).  Good filters (a racor) helped but I need to relocate the
> vent -- the question is where?  It may not be wise but on the return trip I
> wrapped the vent with tape (which, if I had run the engine I would have
> removed)   A better solution is needed.*
> I vent water tanks internally when going offshore.   After fueling perhaps
> vent it internally as high under decks as possible with a valve to close
> when engine off to avoid extreme weather spillage.
>
>
> *(5)  Reefing has to be quick and easy -- I spent far too much time
> screwing up enough courage to go to the mast to reef and shake-out.  My
> current reefing system (probably original to the boat) has a winch on the
> boom which makes the first reef fine but I used all three reef points and
> releasing the last reef before pulling in the next in 35-40 kn of breeze is
> a nightmare.   I need to work on leading the lines to the cockpit.*
> A cam cleat just forward of winch to relieve the reef line under load may
> help.
>
>
> *(6) A removable inner forestay and a blade foresail might be nice.  My
> new furling 130 spent a lot of time furled 50% and that really has screwed
> up the shape of my formerly new and now blown out 130.*
> I installed a solent stay for storm jib and the #4.Best thing I ever
> did.  Contact me off-line if you need details
>
>
>
> *(11) Getting a decent weather (GRIB) file occasionally would ha

Re: Stus-List Signal K interface

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

while it may work for a while, those boxes are not designed to deal with the 
rather nasty environment of the boat's "12V".  First it is not 12V but higher 
(14+ when the engine is running), second it will have large voltage spikes on 
them. YMMV, just a thought.

Leslie.
Phoenix, C&C32 1983

On Wed, 10/28/15, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Signal K interface
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: "Kevin Driscoll" 
 Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2015, 1:48 PM
 
 Most wifi
 routers are 12v. Just cut off the 110v power brick. Did this
 on our router/boat. Works the same. 
 On Wed, Oct 28,
 2015 at 1:39 PM Graham Collins via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
   
 
   
   
 You didn't get in early enough, I got in line for
 $179.   :-) 
 
 Now I need a 12v WiFi router.
 
 Graham Collins
 Secret Plans
 C&C 35-III #11
 On 2015-10-28 10:17 AM, Joel Aronson
   via CnC-List wrote:
 
 
 
   Just spent $200 on a flyer:
 
 
 
 
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1689846268/ikommunicate-gateway-enabling-the-internet-of-thin
 
 
 
 If it works it will convert NMEA to an open
 source.  
 
   
 
   
   -- 
 
   Joel 
 
 301 541 8551
 
   
   
 
   
   
 
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Re: Stus-List Galvanic isolator - Good idea?

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

in most cases the GIs have 4 diodes in them for 1.2V drop/isolation.  (2 in 
series in each direction)  Selecting components for a given amp rating is not 
hard.  But, selecting components and enclosure that can withstand the 
environment is a bit of a challenge.

Leslie.
Phoenix C&C32 1983


On Wed, 10/28/15, Don Wagner via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Galvanic isolator - Good idea?
 To: "C&C List" 
 Cc: "Don Wagner" 
 Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2015, 1:55 PM
 
 
 
 
  
 Josh
  
 To answer your question about “What are the shaft
 zincs protecting?” 
 Assuming you are in saltwater such as the Chesapeake,
 Just a few things, including: the prop, the shaft, the
 rudder post, the 
 keel bolts (especially if you have the C&C Smile), as
 well as any other of 
 the usual underwater metals.
 You should protect these items as the can’t be easily
 inspected, but 
 failure can be a real disaster.
  
 If you have a shaft isolator, you should install one
 or  more copper 
 jumpers between the engine coupling and the prop shaft
 coupling.
  
 
 
 Also Galvanic isolators
 are suggested for 
 situations where you suspect the AC system at the marina or
 nearby boats may be 
 compromised.
  
 Note: Galvanic isolators
 are a simple circuit 
 made up 2 big diodes wired in parallel but pointed in
 opposite directions. Since 
 the diodes are not perfect they create about .6 volt DC
 barriers to prevent the 
 corrosion currents  needed for electrolysis.
  
 A  big capacitor is also
 connected in 
 parallel with the diodes to allow AC current at low levels
 and in case of diode 
 failure. All three components are mounted on a large heat
 sink to keep the parts 
 cool and insure a longer life.
 Don’t try building this
 yourself, unless you can 
 design the proper size diodes and capacitors and heat sink the box
  
 Just my   
 $.02
  
  
 Don Wagner
 C&C 41
 CB
 Der Baron
  
 
 From: Josh Muckley
 via CnC-List 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 12:48 PM
 To: C&C
 List 
 Cc: Josh Muckley
 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Galvanic isolator - Good 
 idea?
  
 
 Since we're on topic.  It seems that there
 is a bit of differing 
 opinions on bonding the under water metals.
 What are the shaft and prop zincs protecting? 
 If a shaft 
 coupling isolator were installed and no bonding wire
 attached then the chance of 
 stray galvanic currents is eliminated.   Right?  What is
 the risk 
 of this situation?  I don't have bonding plates, bronze
 through hulls, keel 
 coolers or anything else except the keel that is metal and
 in contact with the 
 water.
 I've considered possible corrosion effects
 on internal engine 
 components and A/C components.  Seems plausible but no one
 ever talks about 
 it.  Thoughts? 
 I've also considered the anode in the water
 heater.  Seems like 
 the most likely to experience stray galvanic currents and
 the least likely to be 
 replaced or checked on any regular periodicity despite its
 ease of access within 
 the boat.
 I have 2 30 amp connections but use a y-adapter
 so only 1 shore power 
 cord is required.  I also built my own galvanic isolator
 for ~$30 with 
 parts from mouser.com, I've just never
 had the 
 urgent need to install it.
 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 C&C 37+
 Solomons, MD
 
 On Oct 28, 2015 12:32
 PM, "Frederick G Street via 
 CnC-List" 
 wrote:
 
 
   Also, the ProMariner FS
 Series is a 
   “fail-safe” type isolator; no remote panel needed. 
 Under $300 for a 
   30-amp unit. 
    
   http://promariner.com/products/galvanic-isolation/prosafefs-series/
 
   
   
 Fred 
   Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis 
   (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield,
 WI   
   :^(
    
   
   
 On Oct 28, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Frederick G Street
 via CnC-List 
 wrote:
  
 
 Steve — the
 “fail-safe” versions of 
 galvanic isolators are also ABYC-approved, and don’t
 require the remote 
 panel.  There’s a company up in our neck of the woods
 that started out 
 making electrical equipment for dairy farms; they
 realized that their ground 
 isolation products would also work well on boats, so
 they expanded into the 
 marine market.  All their units are the “fail-safe”
 types, and their 
 prices are reasonable. 
  
 http://www.dairyland.com/products/galvanic-isolator
 http://www.deimarine.com
 
  
 
 
 Fred 
 Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis 
 (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield,
 WI   
 :^(
  
 
 
   On Oct 28, 2015, at 11:24 AM, S Thomas via
 CnC-List 
 wrote:
    
   
   Ed, 
      What you say is 
   true from the perspective of having effective galvanic
 isolation, but 
   there are a couple of design issues that come to mind.
 In order for 
   galvanic isolation to work, all wiring grounds to the
 boat must be 
   interrupted by a galvanic isolator. This means that if
 there are two shore 

Stus-List Selden sprit kit instal

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Charles, 

It depends on the setup and local conditions. Per my lake's PHRF committee 
you cannot carry both a asym and sym spin on the same boat.. Period.   So 
you have to choose wisely.  None of the racer cruisers guys use the Asym 
but a couple of the boats capable of planing do. There's probably a reason 
for that as there are several very experienced crews / skippers in the 
racer cruiser ranks. 

While crewing on my friend's boat we tried a race with his asym and it was 
more of a handful than it appears.  For cruising it's straightforward as 
you are not constantly jibing. For racing however jibing it without a 
furler requires impeccable timing between the wheel and the crew crossing 
the sail forward of the forestay, especially when the breeze picks-up.. If 
you intend to use it again shortly after a douse you have to raise it on 
the same side you brought it down or else unclip / un-fasten the sheets or 
figure a way to get the right sheet around the forestay to act as clew 
with the tack sheet clear of everything, stuff like that. 

All that can be handled with the right skills. But for a place with shifty 
winds racing on short courses requiring multiple jibes it's a lot of work 
which it was supposed to minimize in the first place. 

All that said I'm not eliminating the possibility of a sprit appearing on 
my boat at some point in the future.  But if I do, I will definitely 
spring for a furler to alleviate the jibing / handling issues related to 
the short courses I run and my typically limited crew. 

Eric Baumes (On the list) has a selden sprit kit / asym (No furler / 
experienced crew ) on his 34/36+ and really likes it / has had good racing 
success with it.  I would contact him directly to get his point of view. 

Here's how Eric installed it on his boat:   
http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA





From: Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Charles Nelson 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install


  So if one is club racing under PHRF with a racer-cruiser C&C 36 XL 
(non-planing for sure!), does adding a sprit and asymmetric kite improve 
its performance relative to a mast head symmetrical kite assuming no 
change in its PHRF rating?


  I gather from the list over the years that for round the buoy racing at 
least there is no appreciable gain in performance.


  I can appreciate that in distance races and perhaps triangle courses it 
may provide a speed advantage at some apparent wind angles but am not 
convinced that it provides an advantage for W-L courses.


  What say the list?


  Charlie Nelson
  Water Phantom
  C&C 36 XL/kcb


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Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

 The asyms work best when they bring the AWS up and AWA forward. That is hard
to do on the typical C&C which neither planes or easily exceeds hull speed. It 
looks
like a wild ride on the J/80s, Melges and such when they lift off and scream 
downwind
in a breeze.

I raced in a very mixed fleet for the last two years, the RC let all spinnaker 
boats race
each other if they wanted to on what is normally the white sail night. So with 
a 30-1
I am racing J/22, J/24, J/70. J/80, Kirby 30s. I have rigged with an over sized 
spin pole
of 14.44' and 195% asym and sym spinnakers. The sym is more useful for us with
the 1 mile upwind / downwind legs, though we can peel to the aym if required.

The Js are very hard to beat when the conditions are right for them. They need 
enough
wind to get to a plane downwind, but not too much to make the upwind leg tough.
The J/80s have a sweet spot of maybe 10 -14 kts. As you note in light winds 
they are sailing
all over the place downwind.

I have had both the sym and asym for two years now, still learning. I did about 
1200 nm
of racing last year, 1100 nm this year. I am getting the confidence up to do 
peels solo, and
trying to work out the best sail / tactics / VMG of each. I doubt that downwind 
an asym on
a sprit works anywhere near as well as a sym on a pole, at least on most of the 
C&Cs.
The asym on a pole is a bit better but still not as good going deep. I doubt 
that even a
+9 sec/mile PHRF adjustment will compensate for an asym + sprit on a light wind 
day.

Upwind is a bit different. We carry either to 90 AWA. The sym causes more 
leeway which
may not be a problem. Tighter than 90 the asym will develop more power. If the 
TWA
is 100 or more the asym will easily bring AWA up to 80 or less and may increase 
AWS.
The sym will not. At the tightest upwind angles, with AWA of around 60 
surprisingly
then sym works as well as the asym, though I think neither is really running as 
intended.

With our running rigging tacking the asym is easier, which we only would do in 
very light wind.

The one condition where the asym works very well for us is 6 - 8 kts at around 
110 TWA.
It takes a while to get the speed up and playing with the trim, but if I can 
get the AWA up
even 1 kt and the AWA up to 75 - 80 then I get close to 2 kts more hull speed 
compared
with trying to work with the 155% genoa. My sym doesn't generate the same power 
and
won't do it.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1



Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:55:32 -0400 
From: "Gary Nylander"  
To:  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install 
Message-ID: <4C50DDABD90142D5B2920192693C8243@GaryPC> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
The first thing to consider is whether you will get a ratings hit. I have three 
friends who have asym spinnakers added into their sail inventory. They each got 
a three second hit. But, they race offshore and do some medium distance stuff 
(20-80 mile races on the Bay). If the wind is right, the asym is a big help - 
they fly them off the pole so can move the tack back when the wind shifts or 
the course demands it. 
 
Agreed that for buoy racing, the performance gain is nil. But, if one can 
change from regular to asym at will (that is why the 3 seconds) then once in a 
while a big gain can be made with an asym. And one can go back to the 
symmetrical when the wind is aft. 
 
After sailing the last four years on a J-80, I appreciate the simplicity of an 
asym, but really don't like to have to sail all over the river while my 
symmetrical friends are going directly to the next mark. And here in light air, 
we don't get to plane often enough, period. 
 
The boats in question are two Cal 40's and a C&C 115. The Cals rate the same as 
the J-80 
 
My $.02 
 
Gary Nylander 
St.Michaels MD 
 

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Re: Stus-List Galvanic isolator - Good idea?

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

One of these will do the job for a 30 amp receptacle.

http://www.amazon.com/Amp-600V-Bridge-Rectifier-Pack/dp/B001JSV678

Mount in a suitable box, or in the distribution panel itself if there is 
room.

Jumper the + and - terminals.
Put the AC terminals in series with the shore ground.
Use appropriate 10 gauge wire and connectors.
Smear terminals with dielectric grease.
Done.
1.2V drop/isolation.

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON


- Original Message - 
From: "Leslie Paal via CnC-List" 

To: 
Cc: "Leslie Paal" 
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 12:38
Subject: Re: Stus-List Galvanic isolator - Good idea?


in most cases the GIs have 4 diodes in them for 1.2V drop/isolation.  (2 
in series in each direction)  Selecting components for a given amp rating 
is not hard.  But, selecting components and enclosure that can withstand 
the environment is a bit of a challenge.


Leslie.
Phoenix C&C32 1983


On Wed, 10/28/15, Don Wagner via CnC-List  wrote:

Subject: Re: Stus-List Galvanic isolator - Good idea?
To: "C&C List" 
Cc: "Don Wagner" 
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2015, 1:55 PM





Josh

To answer your question about “What are the shaft
zincs protecting?”
Assuming you are in saltwater such as the Chesapeake,
Just a few things, including: the prop, the shaft, the
rudder post, the
keel bolts (especially if you have the C&C Smile), as
well as any other of
the usual underwater metals.
You should protect these items as the can’t be easily
inspected, but
failure can be a real disaster.

If you have a shaft isolator, you should install one
or more copper
jumpers between the engine coupling and the prop shaft
coupling.



Also Galvanic isolators
are suggested for
situations where you suspect the AC system at the marina or
nearby boats may be
compromised.

Note: Galvanic isolators
are a simple circuit
made up 2 big diodes wired in parallel but pointed in
opposite directions. Since
the diodes are not perfect they create about .6 volt DC
barriers to prevent the
corrosion currents needed for electrolysis.

A big capacitor is also
connected in
parallel with the diodes to allow AC current at low levels
and in case of diode
failure. All three components are mounted on a large heat
sink to keep the parts
cool and insure a longer life.
Don’t try building this
yourself, unless you can
design the proper size diodes and capacitors and heat sink the box

Just my
$.02


Don Wagner
C&C 41
CB
Der Baron


From: Josh Muckley
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 12:48 PM
To: C&C
List
Cc: Josh Muckley

Subject: Re: Stus-List Galvanic isolator - Good
idea?


Since we're on topic. It seems that there
is a bit of differing
opinions on bonding the under water metals.
What are the shaft and prop zincs protecting?
If a shaft
coupling isolator were installed and no bonding wire
attached then the chance of
stray galvanic currents is eliminated. Right? What is
the risk
of this situation? I don't have bonding plates, bronze
through hulls, keel
coolers or anything else except the keel that is metal and
in contact with the
water.
I've considered possible corrosion effects
on internal engine
components and A/C components. Seems plausible but no one
ever talks about
it. Thoughts?
I've also considered the anode in the water
heater. Seems like
the most likely to experience stray galvanic currents and
the least likely to be
replaced or checked on any regular periodicity despite its
ease of access within
the boat.
I have 2 30 amp connections but use a y-adapter
so only 1 shore power
cord is required. I also built my own galvanic isolator
for ~$30 with
parts from mouser.com, I've just never
had the
urgent need to install it.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

 



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Stus-List Fuel vent option

[TOM VINCENT via CnC-List]

There is a product on the market that solves the fuel vent line from taking on 
water, it is the H2Out Systems. It is worth a look to check it out.
I am not associated with the company in any way.

Tom Vincent
Frolic II 36' cb
Chesapeake City, MD
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Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi All, So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the 
sail track that rides up the mast track for the furling system. I basically 
have two options where they are concerned.  Find another yard for storage or, 
wet store the boat in a slip. I don't think I would mind the wet storage option 
if she wasn't in such a need for a bottom job. What do you guys think? The 
reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and the sling 
would damage the track... Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I 
can store her on the hard.  i know not every yard requires the removal of the 
mast. DannyWestport Point, MA___

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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Danny,

New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up
(and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).
That's pretty close to Westport Point.

Tim

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the sail
> track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.
>
> I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another yard
> for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.
>
> I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such a
> need for a bottom job.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and the
> sling would damage the track...
>
> Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the
> hard.  i know not every yard requires the removal of the mast.
>
> Danny
> Westport Point, MA
>
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Re: Stus-List inflatable cleaning

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

Dave,

It's calcium.  At your age you need all the calcium you can get.

OK... mild acid, maybe even vinegar, should reduce the little discs to
goop.  I would start with a $3 gallon of vinigar mixed with dish soap so it
sticks a bit, then go from there.

Then you can blend with ice, ensure, geritol and rum.  Like a calcium
colada.

Sorry.  I just can't help myself.

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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

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Danny,

I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps get
things done.
Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have the bottom
work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, so they
will have to turn it around quickly.

Joel

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List <
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> Danny,
>
> New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up
> (and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).
> That's pretty close to Westport Point.
>
> Tim
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the
>> sail track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.
>>
>> I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another yard
>> for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.
>>
>> I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such a
>> need for a bottom job.
>>
>> What do you guys think?
>>
>> The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and
>> the sling would damage the track...
>>
>> Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the
>> hard.  i know not every yard requires the removal of the mast.
>>
>> Danny
>> Westport Point, MA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vent option

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I think that product only removes water vapor ... a silica(?) desicccant in
a cannister ... an inrush of water would pass through it.

Ed
On Oct 29, 2015 2:26 PM, "TOM VINCENT via CnC-List" 
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> There is a product on the market that solves the fuel vent line from
> taking on water, it is the H2Out Systems. It is worth a look to check it
> out.
> I am not associated with the company in any way.
>
> Tom Vincent
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vent option

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

...and an inrush of diesel from overfilling the tank ruins the beads
inside, making it inoperable.

It looks to be a very good product if you can keep it well above the level
of the fuel fill.

Ken H.

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> I think that product only removes water vapor ... a silica(?) desicccant
> in a cannister ... an inrush of water would pass through it.
>
> Ed
> On Oct 29, 2015 2:26 PM, "TOM VINCENT via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
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>> There is a product on the market that solves the fuel vent line from
>> taking on water, it is the H2Out Systems. It is worth a look to check it
>> out.
>> I am not associated with the company in any way.
>>
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>> Frolic II 36' cb
>> Chesapeake City, MD
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

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oh I like the way you think!

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400


Danny, I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps 
get things done.Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have 
the bottom work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, 
so they will have to turn it around quickly. Joel
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Danny, New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up 
(and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).  That's 
pretty close to Westport Point. Tim
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:Hi All, So, it seems the yard said they cannot 
remove the mast because of the sail track that rides up the mast track for the 
furling system. I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find 
another yard for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip. I don't think I 
would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such a need for a bottom 
job. What do you guys think? The reason they cannot remove the mast is because 
they use a sling and the sling would damage the track... Maybe someone can 
recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the hard.  i know not every 
yard requires the removal of the mast. DannyWestport Point, 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

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I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent
have a similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and
the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.

My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill
fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel
vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches
above the deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat
at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever
seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.
If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be
concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)

Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel
fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of
the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?

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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

So, I'm looking around, does anyone know anything about the Borden Light 
Marina.  They have some good reviews on Active captain an another couple of 
sites but, anyone could write those. Their rates are really cheap at $18/ft for 
wet storage and $33/ft for on land storage.  Thats a 3-4 hour trip for me by 
boat but, closer to drive from the house. DannyWestport Point, MA

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400


Danny, I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps 
get things done.Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have 
the bottom work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, 
so they will have to turn it around quickly. Joel
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Danny, New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up 
(and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).  That's 
pretty close to Westport Point. Tim
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:Hi All, So, it seems the yard said they cannot 
remove the mast because of the sail track that rides up the mast track for the 
furling system. I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find 
another yard for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip. I don't think I 
would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such a need for a bottom 
job. What do you guys think? The reason they cannot remove the mast is because 
they use a sling and the sling would damage the track... Maybe someone can 
recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the hard.  i know not every 
yard requires the removal of the mast. DannyWestport Point, 
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Hinckley is 433/ft for dry storage plus 11/ft for haul and wash. NEB is
about the same.
I'm going to NEB rather than some of the other options around the bay
because they don't do anything in a slipshod manner. I know there are some
places that do.
Caveat emptor!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

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cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> So, I'm looking around, does anyone know anything about the Borden Light
> Marina.  They have some good reviews on Active captain an another couple of
> sites but, anyone could write those.
>
> Their rates are really cheap at $18/ft for wet storage and $33/ft for on
> land storage.  Thats a 3-4 hour trip for me by boat but, closer to drive
> from the house.
>
> Danny
> Westport Point, MA
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Cc: Joel Aronson 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400
>
> Danny,
>
> I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps get
> things done.
> Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have the bottom
> work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, so they
> will have to turn it around quickly.
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Danny,
>>
>> New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up
>> (and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).
>> That's pretty close to Westport Point.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the
>>> sail track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.
>>>
>>> I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another
>>> yard for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.
>>>
>>> I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such
>>> a need for a bottom job.
>>>
>>> What do you guys think?
>>>
>>> The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and
>>> the sling would damage the track...
>>>
>>> Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the
>>> hard.  i know not every yard requires the removal of the mast.
>>>
>>> Danny
>>> Westport Point, MA
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

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thats not much more than what FL Tripp wants. Do they store mast up? Maybe 
you're going to see me there...  it is actually no further timewise from my 
house and probably a few less miles Danny

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:03:40 -0400


Hinckley is 433/ft for dry storage plus 11/ft for haul and wash. NEB is about 
the same.I'm going to NEB rather than some of the other options around the bay 
because they don't do anything in a slipshod manner. I know there are some 
places that do.Caveat emptor! 

AndyC&C 40Peregrine
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:
So, I'm looking around, does anyone know anything about the Borden Light 
Marina.  They have some good reviews on Active captain an another couple of 
sites but, anyone could write those. Their rates are really cheap at $18/ft for 
wet storage and $33/ft for on land storage.  Thats a 3-4 hour trip for me by 
boat but, closer to drive from the house. DannyWestport Point, MA

-- Original Message --
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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400

Danny, I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps 
get things done.Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have 
the bottom work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, 
so they will have to turn it around quickly. Joel
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Danny, New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up 
(and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).  That's 
pretty close to Westport Point. Tim
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:Hi All, So, it seems the yard said they cannot 
remove the mast because of the sail track that rides up the mast track for the 
furling system. I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find 
another yard for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip. I don't think I 
would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such a need for a bottom 
job. What do you guys think? The reason they cannot remove the mast is because 
they use a sling and the sling would damage the track... Maybe someone can 
recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the hard.  i know not every 
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I have heard some not so positive things about NEB. They look after many "major 
money" clients - and the feeling was that unless you are in that league, you 
get short changed. 

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SOUTHPORT CT

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 16:03, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hinckley is 433/ft for dry storage plus 11/ft for haul and wash. NEB is about 
> the same.
> I'm going to NEB rather than some of the other options around the bay because 
> they don't do anything in a slipshod manner. I know there are some places 
> that do. 
> Caveat emptor! 
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40 
> Peregrine
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> So, I'm looking around, does anyone know anything about the Borden Light 
>> Marina.  They have some good reviews on Active captain an another couple of 
>> sites but, anyone could write those.
>>  
>> Their rates are really cheap at $18/ft for wet storage and $33/ft for on 
>> land storage.  Thats a 3-4 hour trip for me by boat but, closer to drive 
>> from the house.
>>  
>> Danny
>> Westport Point, MA
>> 
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Cc: Joel Aronson 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400
>> 
>> Danny,
>>  
>> I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps get 
>> things done.
>> Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have the bottom 
>> work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, so they 
>> will have to turn it around quickly.
>>  
>> Joel
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Danny,
>>>  
>>> New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up 
>>> (and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).  
>>> That's pretty close to Westport Point.
>>>  
>>> Tim
>>> 
 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 Hi All,
  
 So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the sail 
 track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.
  
 I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another yard 
 for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.
  
 I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such a 
 need for a bottom job.
  
 What do you guys think?
  
 The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and the 
 sling would damage the track...
  
 Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the 
 hard.  i know not every yard requires the removal of the mast.
  
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 Westport Point, MA
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

NEB is $44/ft storage, washing plus $4/ft blocking; I will be there this
winter.  There is a list member who should be pretty knowledgeable about
NEB for input on treatment of clients.  They have been very helpful to me
so far.

Tim

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> thats not much more than what FL Tripp wants.
>
> Do they store mast up?
>
> Maybe you're going to see me there...  it is actually no further timewise
> from my house and probably a few less miles
>
> Danny
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Cc: Andrew Burton 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:03:40 -0400
>
> Hinckley is 433/ft for dry storage plus 11/ft for haul and wash. NEB is
> about the same.
> I'm going to NEB rather than some of the other options around the bay
> because they don't do anything in a slipshod manner. I know there are some
> places that do.
> Caveat emptor!
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> So, I'm looking around, does anyone know anything about the Borden Light
>> Marina.  They have some good reviews on Active captain an another couple of
>> sites but, anyone could write those.
>>
>> Their rates are really cheap at $18/ft for wet storage and $33/ft for on
>> land storage.  Thats a 3-4 hour trip for me by boat but, closer to drive
>> from the house.
>>
>> Danny
>> Westport Point, MA
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Cc: Joel Aronson 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400
>>
>> Danny,
>>
>> I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps
>> get things done.
>> Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have the bottom
>> work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, so they
>> will have to turn it around quickly.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Danny,
>>>
>>> New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up
>>> (and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).
>>> That's pretty close to Westport Point.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi All,

 So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the
 sail track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.

 I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another
 yard for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.

 I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such
 a need for a bottom job.

 What do you guys think?

 The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and
 the sling would damage the track...

 Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the
 hard.  i know not every yard requires the removal of the mast.

 Danny
 Westport Point, MA
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Yes, most of the boats have the mast up. I'm pulling mine for the first
time since I've owned the boat, but you don't have to. And the nice thing
about being there is you'd have harry and me to keep an eye on your boat
when you're elsewhere.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> thats not much more than what FL Tripp wants.
>
> Do they store mast up?
>
> Maybe you're going to see me there...  it is actually no further timewise
> from my house and probably a few less miles
>
> Danny
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Cc: Andrew Burton 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:03:40 -0400
>
> Hinckley is 433/ft for dry storage plus 11/ft for haul and wash. NEB is
> about the same.
> I'm going to NEB rather than some of the other options around the bay
> because they don't do anything in a slipshod manner. I know there are some
> places that do.
> Caveat emptor!
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> So, I'm looking around, does anyone know anything about the Borden Light
>> Marina.  They have some good reviews on Active captain an another couple of
>> sites but, anyone could write those.
>>
>> Their rates are really cheap at $18/ft for wet storage and $33/ft for on
>> land storage.  Thats a 3-4 hour trip for me by boat but, closer to drive
>> from the house.
>>
>> Danny
>> Westport Point, MA
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Cc: Joel Aronson 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400
>>
>> Danny,
>>
>> I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps
>> get things done.
>> Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have the bottom
>> work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, so they
>> will have to turn it around quickly.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Danny,
>>>
>>> New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up
>>> (and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).
>>> That's pretty close to Westport Point.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi All,

 So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the
 sail track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.

 I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another
 yard for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.

 I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such
 a need for a bottom job.

 What do you guys think?

 The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and
 the sling would damage the track...

 Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the
 hard.  i know not every yard requires the removal of the mast.

 Danny
 Westport Point, MA
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I dunno, Jonathan, When ever I'm up there drooling over the big boats, I
notice a ton of much smaller boats around.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Indigo via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I have heard some not so positive things about NEB. They look after many
> "major money" clients - and the feeling was that unless you are in that
> league, you get short changed.
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 16:03, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hinckley is 433/ft for dry storage plus 11/ft for haul and wash. NEB is
> about the same.
> I'm going to NEB rather than some of the other options around the bay
> because they don't do anything in a slipshod manner. I know there are some
> places that do.
> Caveat emptor!
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> So, I'm looking around, does anyone know anything about the Borden Light
>> Marina.  They have some good reviews on Active captain an another couple of
>> sites but, anyone could write those.
>>
>> Their rates are really cheap at $18/ft for wet storage and $33/ft for on
>> land storage.  Thats a 3-4 hour trip for me by boat but, closer to drive
>> from the house.
>>
>> Danny
>> Westport Point, MA
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Cc: Joel Aronson 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400
>>
>> Danny,
>>
>> I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps
>> get things done.
>> Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have the bottom
>> work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, so they
>> will have to turn it around quickly.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Danny,
>>>
>>> New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up
>>> (and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).
>>> That's pretty close to Westport Point.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi All,

 So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the
 sail track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.

 I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another
 yard for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.

 I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such
 a need for a bottom job.

 What do you guys think?

 The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and
 the sling would damage the track...

 Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the
 hard.  i know not every yard requires the removal of the mast.

 Danny
 Westport Point, MA
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Danny,

Borden light treats some friends of mine pretty fairly.  Further up the
River is Bristol Marine's Somerset yard and even further up is Shaw's.
I've heard good things about both with Shaw's the less expensive option.
Swansea, where I am, would not be able to handle your boat for the size, I
think.  I draw 6' and am about the biggest sailboat there at 34'.
Good luck, if you bring it around to Mt. Hope Bay, let us know.  I might be
up for a ride and am not far away.

Chuck B
C&C 34 Elusive
Somerset, MA

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I dunno, Jonathan, When ever I'm up there drooling over the big boats, I
> notice a ton of much smaller boats around.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Indigo via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I have heard some not so positive things about NEB. They look after many
>> "major money" clients - and the feeling was that unless you are in that
>> league, you get short changed.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan
>> Indigo C&C 35III
>> SOUTHPORT CT
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 16:03, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hinckley is 433/ft for dry storage plus 11/ft for haul and wash. NEB is
>> about the same.
>> I'm going to NEB rather than some of the other options around the bay
>> because they don't do anything in a slipshod manner. I know there are some
>> places that do.
>> Caveat emptor!
>>
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, I'm looking around, does anyone know anything about the Borden Light
>>> Marina.  They have some good reviews on Active captain an another couple of
>>> sites but, anyone could write those.
>>>
>>> Their rates are really cheap at $18/ft for wet storage and $33/ft for on
>>> land storage.  Thats a 3-4 hour trip for me by boat but, closer to drive
>>> from the house.
>>>
>>> Danny
>>> Westport Point, MA
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>>> Cc: Joel Aronson 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
>>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400
>>>
>>> Danny,
>>>
>>> I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps
>>> get things done.
>>> Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have the
>>> bottom work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift,
>>> so they will have to turn it around quickly.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Danny,

 New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up
 (and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).
 That's pretty close to Westport Point.

 Tim

 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the
> sail track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.
>
> I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another
> yard for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.
>
> I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in
> such a need for a bottom job.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and
> the sling would damage the track...
>
> Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on
> the hard.  i know not every yard requires the removal of the mast.
>
> Danny
> Westport Point, MA
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Chuck, I was at Swansea Marina for about 3 years when I had a 22' boat.  I 
go back there in heart beat if he'd store it but the biggest boat he'll take is 
34' How is Harry? saturday would be good day to move the boat, I already 
removed the sails so, its motoring the whole way. I'd take you up on the offer 
for company on the delivery.  NEB would be about 3-4 hours.  Borden light is 
really inexpensive but, they really do pack in the boats and access can be 
really difficult over the winter. I'm going to make some calls tomorrow. I'm 
also considering Mattapoisett.  we really love buzzards Bay and want to stay 
close for the summer. I can do a nice sail to cutty hunk in a 2-3 hours...  We 
LOVE cuttyhnk!! Danny

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From: Chuck Borge via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Chuck Borge 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:21:19 -0400


Danny, Borden light treats some friends of mine pretty fairly.  Further up the 
River is Bristol Marine's Somerset yard and even further up is Shaw's.  I've 
heard good things about both with Shaw's the less expensive option.Swansea, 
where I am, would not be able to handle your boat for the size, I think.  I 
draw 6' and am about the biggest sailboat there at 34'.Good luck, if you bring 
it around to Mt. Hope Bay, let us know.  I might be up for a ride and am not 
far away. Chuck BC&C 34 ElusiveSomerset, MA
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 wrote:
I dunno, Jonathan, When ever I'm up there drooling over the big boats, I notice 
a ton of much smaller boats around. 

AndyC&C 40Peregrine
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  
wrote:
I have heard some not so positive things about NEB. They look after many "major 
money" clients - and the feeling was that unless you are in that league, you 
get short changed. 

--JonathanIndigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT
On Oct 29, 2015, at 16:03, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hinckley is 433/ft for dry storage plus 11/ft for haul and wash. NEB is about 
the same.I'm going to NEB rather than some of the other options around the bay 
because they don't do anything in a slipshod manner. I know there are some 
places that do.Caveat emptor! 

AndyC&C 40Peregrine
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:
So, I'm looking around, does anyone know anything about the Borden Light 
Marina.  They have some good reviews on Active captain an another couple of 
sites but, anyone could write those. Their rates are really cheap at $18/ft for 
wet storage and $33/ft for on land storage.  Thats a 3-4 hour trip for me by 
boat but, closer to drive from the house. DannyWestport Point, MA

-- Original Message --
From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400

Danny, I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps 
get things done.Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have 
the bottom work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, 
so they will have to turn it around quickly. Joel
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Danny, New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up 
(and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).  That's 
pretty close to Westport Point. Tim
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:Hi All, So, it seems the yard said they cannot 
remove the mast because of the sail track that rides up the mast track for the 
furling system. I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find 
another yard for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip. I don't think I 
would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such a need for a bottom 
job. What do you guys think? The reason they cannot remove the mast is because 
they use a sling and the sling would damage the track... Maybe someone can 
recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the hard.  i know not every 
yard requires the removal of the mast. DannyWestport Point, 
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Danny,

 

I keep my boat at Bristol Marine.  They store with the mast in or out.  I
don't know what you have for a furling system, but I've seen quite a few
boats here with various boom furlers.

Thanks,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: Danny Haughey [mailto:djhaug...@juno.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

 

Hi All,

 

So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the sail
track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.

 

I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another yard
for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.

 

I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such a
need for a bottom job.

 

What do you guys think?

 

The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and the
sling would damage the track...

 

Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the
hard.  i know not every yard requires the removal of the mast.

 

Danny

Westport Point, MA

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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hi Danny, 

It's nice that so many C&C listers responded to your request to find a winter 
haulout marina for your Tartan. 
Can you please change the subject line to something other than "boom furling 
complications" ? That's misleading. 

May I suggest: "Reconmmended marinas for haulout and winter storage in Mass and 
RI area" ? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Ron Ricci via CnC-List"  
To: "Danny Haughey" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Ron Ricci"  
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:14:54 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications 



Danny, 



I keep my boat at Bristol Marine. They store with the mast in or out. I don’t 
know what you have for a furling system, but I’ve seen quite a few boats here 
with various boom furlers. 

Thanks, 

Ron 

Ron Ricci 

S/V Patriot 

C&C 37+ 

Bristol, RI 

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com 








From: Danny Haughey [mailto:djhaug...@juno.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:07 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Boom Furling complications 




Hi All, 





So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the sail 
track that rides up the mast track for the furling system. 





I basically have two options where they are concerned. Find another yard for 
storage or, wet store the boat in a slip. 





I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such a need 
for a bottom job. 





What do you guys think? 





The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and the 
sling would damage the track... 





Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the hard. i 
know not every yard requires the removal of the mast. 





Danny 


Westport Point, MA 

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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Danny,
Harry is good, still running the show. 
Shoot me a note if you don't come up with an option near you. I'm supposed to 
be winterizing the motor Saturday morning, put could re-arrange it if you need 
the help.
Email: chuckbo...@gmail.com
Best, 
Chuck

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> On Oct 29, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chuck,
>  
> I was at Swansea Marina for about 3 years when I had a 22' boat.  I go back 
> there in heart beat if he'd store it but the biggest boat he'll take is 34'
>  
> How is Harry?
>  
> saturday would be good day to move the boat, I already removed the sails so, 
> its motoring the whole way.
>  
> I'd take you up on the offer for company on the delivery.  NEB would be about 
> 3-4 hours.  Borden light is really inexpensive but, they really do pack in 
> the boats and access can be really difficult over the winter.
>  
> I'm going to make some calls tomorrow.
>  
> I'm also considering Mattapoisett.  we really love buzzards Bay and want to 
> stay close for the summer.
>  
> I can do a nice sail to cutty hunk in a 2-3 hours...  We LOVE cuttyhnk!!
>  
> Danny
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Chuck Borge via CnC-List 
> To: CnClist 
> Cc: Chuck Borge 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:21:19 -0400
> 
> Danny,
>  
> Borden light treats some friends of mine pretty fairly.  Further up the River 
> is Bristol Marine's Somerset yard and even further up is Shaw's.  I've heard 
> good things about both with Shaw's the less expensive option.
> Swansea, where I am, would not be able to handle your boat for the size, I 
> think.  I draw 6' and am about the biggest sailboat there at 34'.
> Good luck, if you bring it around to Mt. Hope Bay, let us know.  I might be 
> up for a ride and am not far away.
>  
> Chuck B
> C&C 34 Elusive
> Somerset, MA
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I dunno, Jonathan, When ever I'm up there drooling over the big boats, I 
>> notice a ton of much smaller boats around. 
>> 
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Indigo via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I have heard some not so positive things about NEB. They look after many 
>>> "major money" clients - and the feeling was that unless you are in that 
>>> league, you get short changed. 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jonathan
>>> Indigo C&C 35III
>>> SOUTHPORT CT
>>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 16:03, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hinckley is 433/ft for dry storage plus 11/ft for haul and wash. NEB is 
>>> about the same.
>>> I'm going to NEB rather than some of the other options around the bay 
>>> because they don't do anything in a slipshod manner. I know there are some 
>>> places that do.
>>> Caveat emptor! 
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> C&C 40
>>> Peregrine
>>> 
 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 So, I'm looking around, does anyone know anything about the Borden Light 
 Marina.  They have some good reviews on Active captain an another couple 
 of sites but, anyone could write those.
  
 Their rates are really cheap at $18/ft for wet storage and $33/ft for on 
 land storage.  Thats a 3-4 hour trip for me by boat but, closer to drive 
 from the house.
  
 Danny
 Westport Point, MA
 
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
 Cc: Joel Aronson 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400
 
 Danny,
  
 I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps get 
 things done.
 Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have the bottom 
 work to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, so they 
 will have to turn it around quickly.
  
 Joel
 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Danny,
>  
> New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up 
> (and there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).  
> That's pretty close to Westport Point.
>  
> Tim
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>  
>> So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the 
>> sail track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.
>>  
>> I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another 
>> yard for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.
>>  
>> I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such 
>> a need for a bottom job.
>>  
>> What do you guys think?
>>  
>> The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and 
>> the sling would damage the track...
>>

Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Danny,

You can always devise a bridle that would grab the mast by the spreaders
(without putting any pressure on the back of the mast). You can get up to
the spreaders using a small ladder (or get yourself lifted in a bosun's
chair or a harness). This is a reasonably standard practice if your mast has
two set of spreaders (e.g. like mine).

 

Of course if the yard has its own way and does not want to listen to
suggestions, you cannot do much. It helps if you demast on your own (how we
do it in our Club) - you can fiddle to your heart's desire.

 

Good luck

 

Marek

1994 C270 "Legato"

Ottawa

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: October-29-15 15:07
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey
Subject: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

 

Hi All,

 

So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the sail
track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.

 

I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another yard
for storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.

 

I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such a
need for a bottom job.

 

What do you guys think?

 

The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and the
sling would damage the track...

 

Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the
hard.  i know not every yard requires the removal of the mast.

 

Danny

Westport Point, MA

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