Re: Stus-List Guidance required on Sewage hose type - LF38 NOW Active holding tank vent

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I flush an oxygenater tablet into the holding tank every few weeks. That has 
completely eliminated the smell we once had from the holding tank.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Aug 14, 2016, at 18:17, Dreuge via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> From what all the experts say, using quality hose and having proper 
> ventilation are main keys.   A real eye opener for me was finding 
> a bug nest clogged air vent line, so at the very least check or replace your 
> vent line.   To be honest, I cannot make any claims that adding the
> active ventilation fixed any problems as the system was be newly installed so 
> there was no problem to fix.  But at such a small
> cost ~$25, it was a no brainer to install a system which constantly  pumps 
> fresh air into the holding tank.   I thought briefly about getting a 
> 12V air pump, but  if I were to make any changes it would be to plumb the 
> galley sink drain to the head inlet so that when I leave the boat for an 
> extended period, 
> the head inlet could easily be flush with fresh water.   This eliminate salt 
> water organisms from the inlet line which die off in 
> the line and decay, without oxygen, anaerobically. 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
> 
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
> 
> On Aug 14, 2016, at 11:01 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:32:27 -0400
> From: Dave Syer 
> To: "dre...@gmail.com" ,C&c Stus List
>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Guidance required on Sewage hose type - LF38
>NOW Active holding tank vent
> 
> 
> Paul ? great blog, lotsa detail.   You have piqued my curiosity with your 
> active holding tank vent project.   I have a rather ?piquant? poly holding 
> tank in my 33-2.  I changed the in and out (but not the vent) hoses  and 
> still I get a stench, particularly when the adjoining lockers are opened.   
> The tank itself was removed and repaired, and while out it could not be 
> de-stinked by any means I attempted, bleach, etc.  Maybe there?s a way to 
> deal with that, dunno.
> Am considering replacing the tank, but would rather resolve the cause. (or do 
> both, and make provision for better/active ventilation in the new tank)
> In your post below, you seem pretty pleased with the result, any other 
> insights?  Anything you would do differently?
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 19:34:25 -0400
> From: Dreuge 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Guidance required on Sewage hose type - LF38
> 
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I have recently gone through much of this with my LF38, and  I have written 
> much of this up on my blog.  The first link below discusses the head 
> plumbing.  I went with a macerator pump rather than a hand pump.  Read the 
> section on my ?Sanitation System Plan?.  
> 
> In my setup, all head waste goes directly to the holding tank. The holding 
> tank is emptied via a Y-valve either at the deck outlet or via a macerator 
> discharged overboard below the waterline. The key here is All of the waste is 
> pumped into a holding tank.  When there's no Y?valve between the toilet and 
> tank there is no legal requirement to lock a valve or seacock.  On the other 
> hand, installing a Y-valve between the head and the holding tank makes one 
> legally required to lock/restrain the Y-valve closed when inside the 
> three-mile limit.  Not having a Y-valve before the holding tank gives 
> authorities no reason to get upset.  Also, I have added an affordable (~$20) 
> active ventilation system to the holding tank(see second link).
> 
> It's been in use for nearly a year now, and so far with plenty of use there 
> are absolutely no bad smells in the head. 
> 
> 
> Lastly, I have added a link to my LF38 projects page. 
> 
> 
> Resurrecting the Marine Head
>http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/HeadPlumbingWork 
> 
> 
> Adding Active Ventilation to the Holding Tank
>http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/ActiveVentHoldingTank 
> 
> 
> List of Projects
>http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/p/projects.html 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
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Re: Stus-List Guidance required on Sewage hose type - LF38 NOWActive holding tank vent

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Where do you get them Andy?

Steve Thomas

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NOWActive holding tank vent



I flush an oxygenater tablet into the holding tank every few weeks. That 
has completely eliminated the smell we once had from the holding tank.


Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840
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Re: Stus-List The boat is sold

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Rick — when you get settled over this way, come to the Apostle Islands area for 
a sail and boat shopping.  The biggest C&C dealer in the world used to be 
located at the wet end of Lake Superior, so there are plenty around.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 13, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Rick Taillieu via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just a quick note to say the new owners of Nemesis have picked her up and 
> moved her up Halifax harbour to Dartmouth Yacht Club.
> She has gone to a good home and the new owners are going to join the list.
> Why did I sell her?  I am retiring in October after 36+ years in the RCAF and 
> this is the first step in my retirement plans.
> Next is to sell the house and move back home to southwestern Ontario.
> After we get settled in there, we plan on getting another boat in the 33-38 
> ft range and cruise the great lakes.
> I’ve owned a boat since 1998 and it is weird not having to worry about 
> storms, hurricanes and taking time off for lift-out.
> I’m going to stay on the list and if any 25 owners have any questions, I’m 
> here.
>  
>  
> Rick Taillieu
> (now boatless)
> Shearwater Yacht Club
> Halifax, NS.

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Stus-List Water everywhere

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Perhaps you've seen the news about the flooding in south Louisiana.  It's
been bad.  Lots of folks flooded out.  Lots of sad stories.

The water began to enter my neighborhood in Baton Rouge early yesterday
morning.  The Admiral and I watched the water slowly rise in the street in
front of our house.  It filled the street then crept over the sidewalk
inching its way toward the house.  It stopped about 8 last night 20 inches
below the elevation of the house floor.  We still have water in the street
but it's receding slowly.  Others weren't so lucky.

Many of the Admiral's family and friends were flooded.

Roads are still closed.  It will be days before many folks can return to
their homes to assess damage.

To make this sailing related, I keep Touche' sails in a commercial storage
nearby.  The storage building is adjacent the bayou which backflowed into
our neighborhood.  The Admiral and I went to the storage unit yesterday
morning to raise stuff off the floor.  Touche's sails didn't get raised.
I'll go visit the storage later today.  Hopefully it remained dry.
Otherwise I'll be drying sails all week and being grateful it's not
clothes, furniture and belongings.

Thoughts and prayers to all affected.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Guidance required on Sewage hose type - LF38

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

John — sorry for the delayed response, I was actually out sailing this weekend… 
  :^)

Use the best sanitation-grade hose you can get; yes, they’re stiff, but 
application of heat, either from careful use of a heat gun or very hot water, 
can be used to get these hoses to bend enough for you to get them installed.  
You only need a few feet of hose, so don’t let the per-foot cost keep you from 
getting the good stuff.

BTW, my LF38 doesn’t have a nav-station; I’ve got the dual quarter-berth 
version.  So I’ve got a 35-gallon holding tank under the starboard quarter 
berth.  Nice to have the extra space.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 12, 2016, at 6:42 PM, John Sandford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Landfall 38
>  
> Hi
> I am refitting my vessel (purchased last spring) and after a total rebuild of 
> the standing rig, and underwater, I am now launched and working on the inside 
> stuff.
> In other words, I am safe to go sailing, but cannot cook, sleep or use the 
> bathroom.
> Which brings me to the subject line.
> The vessel has a Holding tank listed in the manual as standard equipment and 
> located under the Nav Station seat.
> I definitely have a tank there. I removed it and iIt is even labeled as ‘HT’ 
> but was clearly hooked up to the water system. Even the deck fill says 
> ‘Water’.
> So now I have figured out what I need to do. I have a suction fitting and 
> stand pipe on hand, and even a clean out port kit.
> Also I have ripped out the original FW piping, filters etc, so there is no 
> connection to the FW system.
> I want to have the option of;
> a.   Discharge directly Overboard or to HT.
> b.  Pump out HT with Hand pump (Like a Whale) to either Deck discharge or 
> Overboard.
> c.   Have the pump out handle easily accessible but not obvious, from 
> either in the washroom or through the bulkhead at the nav station seat.
> I have all the system schematics and know what I want to do, but the problem 
> is that I have VERY limited space under the vanity in the Washroom.
> To accomplish this, I need the absolute minimum bend radius, 1-1/2” hose that 
> is also sanitation suitable, with no odor permeation, and OK for below 
> waterline.
> I’d rather do it in an original head on the bow, than have a smelly boat.
> Have researched catalogues, google, you tube, you name it, and am now totally 
> confused.
> There are great hoses by Shields and Trident with great flexibility, but 
> don’t meet the criteria.
> (btw – I believe that most of the real bendy, “not suitable for below 
> waterline’ hoses are OK, but because catalogues are now written by Engineers 
> and Lawyers, they opt on the side of extreme caution. )
> Hence the post is for advice on what others have used for hose in similar 
> situations.
> I am sure that Fred and Wally will have the answer immediately.
> Appreciate the assistance.
> Thanks
>  
> John
> Landfall 38
> #234
> No name 
>  
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Re: Stus-List Water everywhere

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dennis, our thoughts and prayers for the families who have lost homes and have 
been displaced...all of that rain is coming north to the Ohio valley...we're 
getting it now!
.but...how are the boats doing...? (I know you are in Pensacola per an earlier 
email) 

 


Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:20 am
Subject: Stus-List Water everywhere






Perhaps you've seen the news about the flooding in south Louisiana.  It's been 
bad.  Lots of folks flooded out.  Lots of sad stories.


The water began to enter my neighborhood in Baton Rouge early yesterday 
morning.  The Admiral and I watched the water slowly rise in the street in 
front of our house.  It filled the street then crept over the sidewalk inching 
its way toward the house.  It stopped about 8 last night 20 inches below the 
elevation of the house floor.  We still have water in the street but it's 
receding slowly.  Others weren't so lucky.


Many of the Admiral's family and friends were flooded.  


Roads are still closed.  It will be days before many folks can return to their 
homes to assess damage.


To make this sailing related, I keep Touche' sails in a commercial storage 
nearby.  The storage building is adjacent the bayou which backflowed into our 
neighborhood.  The Admiral and I went to the storage unit yesterday morning to 
raise stuff off the floor.  Touche's sails didn't get raised.  I'll go visit 
the storage later today.  Hopefully it remained dry.  Otherwise I'll be drying 
sails all week and being grateful it's not clothes, furniture and belongings.


Thoughts and prayers to all affected.



Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA










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Re: Stus-List Water everywhere

[LKL via CnC-List]

RE:  Water Everywhere


Dennis,  yes have seen the news as terrible as it is.  Here is wishing you and 
all affected the very best.  Having been through several floods,  the muddy 
water might stain your sails so probably best to clean as quickly as you can.



Sincerely,



Lloyd Lippe

Finesse

1985 Landfall 39

 



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Re: Stus-List Water everywhere

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Dennis — I was thinking about you while listening to the coverage on NPR this 
morning; I’m glad you’ve been high and dry so far.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps you've seen the news about the flooding in south Louisiana.  It's 
> been bad.  Lots of folks flooded out.  Lots of sad stories.
> 
> The water began to enter my neighborhood in Baton Rouge early yesterday 
> morning.  The Admiral and I watched the water slowly rise in the street in 
> front of our house.  It filled the street then crept over the sidewalk 
> inching its way toward the house.  It stopped about 8 last night 20 inches 
> below the elevation of the house floor.  We still have water in the street 
> but it's receding slowly.  Others weren't so lucky.
> 
> Many of the Admiral's family and friends were flooded.  
> 
> Roads are still closed.  It will be days before many folks can return to 
> their homes to assess damage.
> 
> To make this sailing related, I keep Touche' sails in a commercial storage 
> nearby.  The storage building is adjacent the bayou which backflowed into our 
> neighborhood.  The Admiral and I went to the storage unit yesterday morning 
> to raise stuff off the floor.  Touche's sails didn't get raised.  I'll go 
> visit the storage later today.  Hopefully it remained dry.  Otherwise I'll be 
> drying sails all week and being grateful it's not clothes, furniture and 
> belongings.
> 
> Thoughts and prayers to all affected.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List (no subject)

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

HI Dave,

Not for nuthin' but, if you can hear the the vent, it is restricted and 
won't be letting much air in unless there is a vacuum like the one 
created by the pump.  Mine was the same way when I bought my boat so I 
added a second and enlarged the first using 1-1/8 SS thru hull fittings 
and hose.  was not that big a job.  also the waste hose could be a big 
source of smells from the system.  I replaced all those as well.  no 
oder at all on our boat!


The larger vents and thru hull also allow me to flush the system at 
pumpout with fresh water running into the system through the vent 
opening and get the tank nice and clean.


Danny


On 8/14/2016 7:45 PM, Syerdave--- via CnC-List wrote:

Thanks Paul, you've  got me thinking
I know the vent works because the guy who did the last pump out 
commented that he liked the location because he could hear the vent.   
So, it is admitting some air, but day in day out, not a lot because it 
can't circulate.
Any reason you can think of not to create a vented deck fill?  Big 
boats have big vents...  Same thing, I would  think.
This may not solve the stench-permeated tank issue, but it would air 
the tank.


Dave.


From: Dreuge mailto:dre...@gmail.com>>
To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Guidance required on Sewage hose type - LF38
   NOWActive holding tank vent
Message-ID: <47519851-9d14-4693-b61f-cc574a8f1...@gmail.com 
>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


Dave,

From what all the experts say, using quality hose and having proper 
ventilation are main keys.   A real eye opener for me was finding
a bug nest clogged air vent line, so at the very least check or 
replace your vent line.   To be honest, I cannot make any claims that 
adding the
active ventilation fixed any problems as the system was be newly 
installed so there was no problem to fix.  But at such a small
cost ~$25, it was a no brainer to install a system which constantly 
 pumps fresh air into the holding tank.   I thought briefly about 
getting a
12V air pump, but  if I were to make any changes it would be to plumb 
the galley sink drain to the head inlet so that when I leave the boat 
for an extended period,
the head inlet could easily be flush with fresh water.   This 
eliminate salt water organisms from the inlet line which die off in

the line and decay, without oxygen, anaerobically.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

On Aug 14, 2016, at 11:01 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:


Message: 1
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:32:27 -0400
From: Dave Syer mailto:syerd...@gmail.com>>
To: "dre...@gmail.com " >,  C&c Stus List

   mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Guidance required on Sewage hose type - LF38
   NOW Active holding tank vent


Paul ? great blog, lotsa detail.   You have piqued my curiosity with 
your active holding tank vent project.   I have a rather ?piquant? 
poly holding tank in my 33-2.  I changed the in and out (but not the 
vent) hoses  and still I get a stench, particularly when the adjoining 
lockers are opened.   The tank itself was removed and repaired, and 
while out it could not be de-stinked by any means I attempted, bleach, 
etc.  Maybe there?s a way to deal with that, dunno.
Am considering replacing the tank, but would rather resolve the cause. 
(or do both, and make provision for better/active ventilation in the 
new tank)
In your post below, you seem pretty pleased with the result, any other 
insights?  Anything you would do differently?


Dave



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Re: Stus-List (no subject)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Dave,

not a specific solution to any of your problems, but if you are dealing with 
sanitation, Peggy Hall’s book (Get Rid of Boat Odors) is a very good read. It 
might be the best $25 you spend on your sanitation systems (A Kindle version is 
I think under $10).

Marek

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 09:36
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Re: Stus-List (no subject)

HI Dave,

Not for nuthin' but, if you can hear the the vent, it is restricted and won't 
be letting much air in unless there is a vacuum like the one created by the 
pump. Mine was the same way when I bought my boat so I added a second and 
enlarged the first using 1-1/8 SS thru hull fittings and hose. was not that big 
a job. also the waste hose could be a big source of smells from the system. I 
replaced all those as well. no oder at all on our boat!

The larger vents and thru hull also allow me to flush the system at pumpout 
with fresh water running into the system through the vent opening and get the 
tank nice and clean.

Danny




On 8/14/2016 7:45 PM, Syerdave--- via CnC-List wrote:

  Thanks Paul, you've got me thinking
  I know the vent works because the guy who did the last pump out commented 
that he liked the location because he could hear the vent. So, it is admitting 
some air, but day in day out, not a lot because it can't circulate. 
  Any reason you can think of not to create a vented deck fill? Big boats have 
big vents... Same thing, I would think.
  This may not solve the stench-permeated tank issue, but it would air the tank.

  Dave.



  From: Dreuge 
  To: CnClist 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Guidance required on Sewage hose type - LF38
  NOW Active holding tank vent
  Message-ID: <47519851-9d14-4693-b61f-cc574a8f1...@gmail.com>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


  Dave,

  From what all the experts say, using quality hose and having proper 
ventilation are main keys. A real eye opener for me was finding 
  a bug nest clogged air vent line, so at the very least check or replace your 
vent line. To be honest, I cannot make any claims that adding the
  active ventilation fixed any problems as the system was be newly installed so 
there was no problem to fix. But at such a small
  cost ~$25, it was a no brainer to install a system which constantly pumps 
fresh air into the holding tank. I thought briefly about getting a 
  12V air pump, but if I were to make any changes it would be to plumb the 
galley sink drain to the head inlet so that when I leave the boat for an 
extended period, 
  the head inlet could easily be flush with fresh water. This eliminate salt 
water organisms from the inlet line which die off in 
  the line and decay, without oxygen, anaerobically. 


  -
  Paul E.
  1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
  S/V Johanna Rose
  Carrabelle, FL

  http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

  On Aug 14, 2016, at 11:01 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

  Message: 1
  Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:32:27 -0400
  From: Dave Syer 
  To: "dre...@gmail.com" , C&c Stus List
  
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Guidance required on Sewage hose type - LF38
  NOW Active holding tank vent


  Paul ? great blog, lotsa detail. You have piqued my curiosity with your 
active holding tank vent project. I have a rather ?piquant? poly holding tank 
in my 33-2. I changed the in and out (but not the vent) hoses and still I get a 
stench, particularly when the adjoining lockers are opened. The tank itself was 
removed and repaired, and while out it could not be de-stinked by any means I 
attempted, bleach, etc. Maybe there?s a way to deal with that, dunno.
  Am considering replacing the tank, but would rather resolve the cause. (or do 
both, and make provision for better/active ventilation in the new tank)
  In your post below, you seem pretty pleased with the result, any other 
insights? Anything you would do differently?

  Dave


   

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Re: Stus-List Water everywhere

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Dennis
Good to hear you have been spared. I can't imagine what it's like.
Joel

On Monday, August 15, 2016, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis — I was thinking about you while listening to the coverage on NPR
> this morning; I’m glad you’ve been high and dry so far.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Aug 15, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
> Perhaps you've seen the news about the flooding in south Louisiana.  It's
> been bad.  Lots of folks flooded out.  Lots of sad stories.
>
> The water began to enter my neighborhood in Baton Rouge early yesterday
> morning.  The Admiral and I watched the water slowly rise in the street in
> front of our house.  It filled the street then crept over the sidewalk
> inching its way toward the house.  It stopped about 8 last night 20 inches
> below the elevation of the house floor.  We still have water in the street
> but it's receding slowly.  Others weren't so lucky.
>
> Many of the Admiral's family and friends were flooded.
>
> Roads are still closed.  It will be days before many folks can return to
> their homes to assess damage.
>
> To make this sailing related, I keep Touche' sails in a commercial storage
> nearby.  The storage building is adjacent the bayou which backflowed into
> our neighborhood.  The Admiral and I went to the storage unit yesterday
> morning to raise stuff off the floor.  Touche's sails didn't get raised.
> I'll go visit the storage later today.  Hopefully it remained dry.
> Otherwise I'll be drying sails all week and being grateful it's not
> clothes, furniture and belongings.
>
> Thoughts and prayers to all affected.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>

-- 
Joel
301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Guidance required on Sewage hose type - LF38 NOWActive holding tank vent

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

http://www.greenboatstuff.com/tanktablets.html

This is one source.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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> On Aug 15, 2016, at 08:12, S Thomas via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Where do you get them Andy?
> 
> Steve Thomas
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Burton via CnC-List" 
> 
> To: 
> Cc: "Andrew Burton" 
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 07:46
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Guidance required on Sewage hose type - LF38 NOWActive 
> holding tank vent
> 
> 
>> I flush an oxygenater tablet into the holding tank every few weeks. That has 
>> completely eliminated the smell we once had from the holding tank.
>> 
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>> 
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI
>> USA02840
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Stus-List A visitor...

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

We had an interesting visitor to the Apostle Islands this past weekend:

http://www.postaudio.net/webserver/PrideofBaltimore.jpg 


Probably not a big deal to those of you in the Chesapeake, but an unusual sight 
for us Great Lakes sailors.  The Tall Ship fleet is heading to Duluth, MN at 
the west end of Lake Superior for their show next weekend, and Pride of 
Baltimore stopped in Bayfield for a visit.



Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

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Re: Stus-List A visitor...

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Actually, the Pride is a pretty big deal for us folks on the Chesapeake.

Thomas Gillmer’s son Charlie and his wife Maureen are friends and neighbors of 
ours. Their house is filled with beautiful half-hulls of his father’s designs.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Aug 15, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We had an interesting visitor to the Apostle Islands this past weekend:
> 
> http://www.postaudio.net/webserver/PrideofBaltimore.jpg 
> 
> 
> Probably not a big deal to those of you in the Chesapeake, but an unusual 
> sight for us Great Lakes sailors.  The Tall Ship fleet is heading to Duluth, 
> MN at the west end of Lake Superior for their show next weekend, and Pride of 
> Baltimore stopped in Bayfield for a visit.
> 
> 
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
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Re: Stus-List Water everywhere

[Bill Hoyne via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis,
I hope you and the Admiral are doing well. We will be thinking of you!!
There is a boat you can stay on up here in Victoria :-) anytime.

Cheers
Bill Hoyne
Mithrandir
’74 C&C35 MkII
in Victoria,BC

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps you've seen the news about the flooding in south Louisiana.  It's 
> been bad.  Lots of folks flooded out.  Lots of sad stories.
> 
> The water began to enter my neighborhood in Baton Rouge early yesterday 
> morning.  The Admiral and I watched the water slowly rise in the street in 
> front of our house.  It filled the street then crept over the sidewalk 
> inching its way toward the house.  It stopped about 8 last night 20 inches 
> below the elevation of the house floor.  We still have water in the street 
> but it's receding slowly.  Others weren't so lucky.
> 
> Many of the Admiral's family and friends were flooded.  
> 
> Roads are still closed.  It will be days before many folks can return to 
> their homes to assess damage.
> 
> To make this sailing related, I keep Touche' sails in a commercial storage 
> nearby.  The storage building is adjacent the bayou which backflowed into our 
> neighborhood.  The Admiral and I went to the storage unit yesterday morning 
> to raise stuff off the floor.  Touche's sails didn't get raised.  I'll go 
> visit the storage later today.  Hopefully it remained dry.  Otherwise I'll be 
> drying sails all week and being grateful it's not clothes, furniture and 
> belongings.
> 
> Thoughts and prayers to all affected.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
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Re: Stus-List Water everywhere

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Dennis I hope everything is OK for you & yours. I haven't heard anything from 
my kinfolk in Walker, but I know that area was hard hit (17" of rain in 
Livingston as of Friday). Wishing for the best for all of you Louisianans. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
To: "CnClist"  
Cc: "Dennis"  
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:19:48 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Water everywhere 

Perhaps you've seen the news about the flooding in south Louisiana. It's been 
bad. Lots of folks flooded out. Lots of sad stories. 

The water began to enter my neighborhood in Baton Rouge early yesterday 
morning. The Admiral and I watched the water slowly rise in the street in front 
of our house. It filled the street then crept over the sidewalk inching its way 
toward the house. It stopped about 8 last night 20 inches below the elevation 
of the house floor. We still have water in the street but it's receding slowly. 
Others weren't so lucky. 

Many of the Admiral's family and friends were flooded. 

Roads are still closed. It will be days before many folks can return to their 
homes to assess damage. 

To make this sailing related, I keep Touche' sails in a commercial storage 
nearby. The storage building is adjacent the bayou which backflowed into our 
neighborhood. The Admiral and I went to the storage unit yesterday morning to 
raise stuff off the floor. Touche's sails didn't get raised. I'll go visit the 
storage later today. Hopefully it remained dry. Otherwise I'll be drying sails 
all week and being grateful it's not clothes, furniture and belongings. 

Thoughts and prayers to all affected. 

Dennis C. 
Touche' 35-1 #83 
Mandeville, LA 



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Stus-List The Mariners' Museum Newport News, VA

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi,

I’m spending much time in Newport News this fall for work related travel.   
This weekend I decided to go to the local Mariners’ Museum to kill an hours or 
so time.   Surprisingly, I spent 5 hours there loving it.  

First off, for all of August admission is only $1 (nice surprise getting back 
$19 from a $20), but really well worth the usual full price.Yes, there are 
plenty of well done historical exhibits ranging from the age of exploration up 
to modern Navy ships. They have a nice section on the ironclad revolution which 
replicas of the of the USS Monitor and CSS Virginia(aka Merrimack) include the 
actual recovered USS Monitor on site.   But all that aside, the sailor in me 
was very impressed by modern exhibits like the "International Small Craft 
Center” with many sailboats and the "Abandon Ship: Stories of Survival” with 
many sailboat survival exhibits.

In fact going into the museum's bathrooms was a learning experience (see: 
http://www.marinersmuseum.org/a-head-of-its-time/ 
)

If you are anywhere within several hours drive, I highly recommend a visit to 
this museum.  


Here’s the Museum’s website to check out: http://www.marinersmuseum.org


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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Re: Stus-List The boat is sold

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

Thanks Fred, I’ll keep that area in mind when the time comes.

 

Rick

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: August-15-16 10:16
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List The boat is sold

 

Rick — when you get settled over this way, come to the Apostle Islands area for 
a sail and boat shopping.  The biggest C&C dealer in the world used to be 
located at the wet end of Lake Superior, so there are plenty around.

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

 

On Aug 13, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Rick Taillieu via CnC-List  
wrote:

 

Just a quick note to say the new owners of Nemesis have picked her up and moved 
her up Halifax harbour to Dartmouth Yacht Club.

She has gone to a good home and the new owners are going to join the list.

Why did I sell her?  I am retiring in October after 36+ years in the RCAF and 
this is the first step in my retirement plans.

Next is to sell the house and move back home to southwestern Ontario.

After we get settled in there, we plan on getting another boat in the 33-38 ft 
range and cruise the great lakes.

I’ve owned a boat since 1998 and it is weird not having to worry about storms, 
hurricanes and taking time off for lift-out.

I’m going to stay on the list and if any 25 owners have any questions, I’m here.

 

 

Rick Taillieu

(now boatless)

Shearwater Yacht Club

Halifax, NS.

 

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Re: Stus-List Water everywhere

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Here’s a video taken Saturday in Walker by a couple guys in a skiff: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za9JG5iIRrg . They started at the Winn Dixie 
store ( https://goo.gl/Iy5KWf ) and proceeded up Pendarvis Lane. It looks bad 
there; l ooks like a dinghy is the best way to get around. You surely have my 
sympathy. What a mess! 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "RANDY via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "RANDY" , "cnc-list"  
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:30:21 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Water everywhere 

Dennis I hope everything is OK for you & yours. I haven't heard anything from 
my kinfolk in Walker, but I know that area was hard hit (17" of rain in 
Livingston as of Friday). Wishing for the best for all of you Louisianans. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
To: "CnClist"  
Cc: "Dennis"  
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:19:48 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Water everywhere 

Perhaps you've seen the news about the flooding in south Louisiana. It's been 
bad. Lots of folks flooded out. Lots of sad stories. 

The water began to enter my neighborhood in Baton Rouge early yesterday 
morning. The Admiral and I watched the water slowly rise in the street in front 
of our house. It filled the street then crept over the sidewalk inching its way 
toward the house. It stopped about 8 last night 20 inches below the elevation 
of the house floor. We still have water in the street but it's receding slowly. 
Others weren't so lucky. 

Many of the Admiral's family and friends were flooded. 

Roads are still closed. It will be days before many folks can return to their 
homes to assess damage. 

To make this sailing related, I keep Touche' sails in a commercial storage 
nearby. The storage building is adjacent the bayou which backflowed into our 
neighborhood. The Admiral and I went to the storage unit yesterday morning to 
raise stuff off the floor. Touche's sails didn't get raised. I'll go visit the 
storage later today. Hopefully it remained dry. Otherwise I'll be drying sails 
all week and being grateful it's not clothes, furniture and belongings. 

Thoughts and prayers to all affected. 

Dennis C. 
Touche' 35-1 #83 
Mandeville, LA 



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Re: Stus-List A visitor...

[Free Girls Sailing via CnC-List]

Are you going to be there this weekend? Our boat is in Superior and we hope
to make it.

Jessica Moore
1975 C&C 33 Mark 1

On Monday, August 15, 2016, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Actually, the Pride is a pretty big deal for us folks on the Chesapeake.
>
> Thomas Gillmer’s son Charlie and his wife Maureen are friends and
> neighbors of ours. Their house is filled with beautiful half-hulls of his
> father’s designs.
>
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> On Aug 15, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
> We had an interesting visitor to the Apostle Islands this past weekend:
>
> http://www.postaudio.net/webserver/PrideofBaltimore.jpg
>
> Probably not a big deal to those of you in the Chesapeake, but an unusual
> sight for us Great Lakes sailors.  The Tall Ship fleet is heading to
> Duluth, MN at the west end of Lake Superior for their show next weekend,
> and *Pride of Baltimore* stopped in Bayfield for a visit.
>
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
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Stus-List C&C 99

[Paul via CnC-List]

Does anyone have pros or cons that they would like to share about this model?

Thanks
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Re: Stus-List A visitor...

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Hi, Jessica — unfortunately, I’ve got other commitments this weekend, so can’t 
make it.  I went a couple of years ago; unfortunately it turned out to be an 
odd August weekend with temp’s in the 50’s, and drizzly rain all weekend.  This 
looks like a much better weather weekend for the Tall Ships event.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Free Girls Sailing via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are you going to be there this weekend? Our boat is in Superior and we hope 
> to make it. 
> 
> Jessica Moore
> 1975 C&C 33 Mark 1

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Re: Stus-List A visitor...

[Free Girls Sailing via CnC-List]

I hope so. It would be fun to sail past all those tall ships, some even
older than ours.

Jessica Moore
1975 C&C 33

On Monday, August 15, 2016, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi, Jessica — unfortunately, I’ve got other commitments this weekend, so
> can’t make it.  I went a couple of years ago; unfortunately it turned out
> to be an odd August weekend with temp’s in the 50’s, and drizzly rain all
> weekend.  This looks like a much better weather weekend for the Tall Ships
> event.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Aug 15, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Free Girls Sailing via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
> Are you going to be there this weekend? Our boat is in Superior and we
> hope to make it.
>
> Jessica Moore
> 1975 C&C 33 Mark 1
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 99

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

The best sailing version is the 6.5 Ft keel with carbon mast. The 5.5 Ft keel 
moved center of mast aft and drags transom a bit requiring careful attention to 
keeping weight forward if racing.  Very nice boats. Build quality seems very 
high.  If you buy one you will not regret it

Mike
Persistence, halifax

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[cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: August 15, 2016 4:17 PM
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Cc: pxjohn...@verizon.net
Subject: Stus-List C&C 99

Does anyone have pros or cons that they would like to share about this model?

Thanks
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Re: Stus-List The Mariners' Museum Newport News, VA

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Paul,

 

If you’re interested in a sail/race, I usually have room for an extra person or 
two.  

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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CnC-List
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:34
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dreuge 
Subject: Stus-List The Mariners' Museum Newport News, VA

 

Hi,

 

I’m spending much time in Newport News this fall for work related travel.   
This weekend I decided to go to the local Mariners’ Museum to kill an hours or 
so time.   Surprisingly, I spent 5 hours there loving it.  

 

First off, for all of August admission is only $1 (nice surprise getting back 
$19 from a $20), but really well worth the usual full price.Yes, there are 
plenty of well done historical exhibits ranging from the age of exploration up 
to modern Navy ships. They have a nice section on the ironclad revolution which 
replicas of the of the USS Monitor and CSS Virginia(aka Merrimack) include the 
actual recovered USS Monitor on site.   But all that aside, the sailor in me 
was very impressed by modern exhibits like the "International Small Craft 
Center” with many sailboats and the "Abandon Ship: Stories of Survival” with 
many sailboat survival exhibits.

 

In fact going into the museum's bathrooms was a learning experience (see: 
http://www.marinersmuseum.org/a-head-of-its-time/)

 

If you are anywhere within several hours drive, I highly recommend a visit to 
this museum.  

 

 

Here’s the Museum’s website to check out: http://www.marinersmuseum.org

 

 

-
Paul E.

1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

 

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

 

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Stus-List Blog post on my excellent day buying Jacklines.

[Dave Syer via CnC-List]

Hopefully informative!


http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/


Dave 33-2 windstar.

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Stus-List Opinions about new headsail construction

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm in the process of getting a new set
of sails for Imzadi. Thank you to the listers who recommended lofts and
commented on their experiences.

 

The specs for the new main are pretty well set. All the quotes so far have
recommended cross cut, loose foot, full batten sails (using my existing
Strong Track hardware), made from Challenge sailcloth. 

 

But there seems to be a range of opinion about the 135% roller reefing
headsail. I'm looking for a 135% sail that can be reefed down to about 100%,
with a balance of durability and good performance - and performance is
probably worth some extra money to me. The quotes I've gotten all recommend
a cross-cut sail made from Challenge High Mass Fiber sailcloth between 8.88
and 9.1 oz.

 

I've always understood that tri-radial construction offered superior
performance and shape over cross-cut construction. 

 

But one of the sailmakers has commented that both his cross-cut and
tri-radial headsails would be designed using the same (virtual) mold so
there would be little performance difference - not enough to justify the
increased cost for a cruising sail. A second sailmaker says the tri-radial
sail will "hold its shape better over the long term", but said the
significant increased cost (about 15% for tri-radial construction) make
cross-cut a better option.

 

So what is the experience (or opinion) of the list about the value of
tri-radial construction? Give me some guidance.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

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Re: Stus-List Opinions about new headsail construction

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Rick,

Tri-Radials are just sexier.

There. I had to say it.

Seriously though, I’m a big fan of tri-radial sails. I have an old 140%  
tri-radial on Ronin that has well withstood the test of time in terms of 
keeping its shape and performance. It hasn’t been used for years and is in the 
attic but if I were to bend it back on when she goes back in the water I would 
not be displeased.

I look at the extra expense amortized over the life-time of the sail as opposed 
to the initial cost and for me it’s worth the uptick.

I guess I would ask myself how much will it be up and sailing. If I were not 
sailing constantly then I would think that a cross-cut sail will save me money 
and give me a great sail for a long time. If I were sailing a lot and in 
challenging conditions, then I would probably opt for the tri-radial.

OT: Interesting choice of a 135%. When Ronin goes back in the water I’m 
probably going to go with a 110% max. After wrestling with the 140% it will be 
a relief. Our racing-style days are over with.

My $0.02.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Aug 15, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> As I mentioned in an earlier post, I’m in the process of getting a new set of 
> sails for Imzadi. Thank you to the listers who recommended lofts and 
> commented on their experiences.
>  
> The specs for the new main are pretty well set. All the quotes so far have 
> recommended cross cut, loose foot, full batten sails (using my existing 
> Strong Track hardware), made from Challenge sailcloth. 
>  
> But there seems to be a range of opinion about the 135% roller reefing 
> headsail. I’m looking for a 135% sail that can be reefed down to about 100%, 
> with a balance of durability and good performance – and performance is 
> probably worth some extra money to me. The quotes I’ve gotten all recommend a 
> cross-cut sail made from Challenge High Mass Fiber sailcloth between 8.88 and 
> 9.1 oz.
>  
> I’ve always understood that tri-radial construction offered superior 
> performance and shape over cross-cut construction. 
>  
> But one of the sailmakers has commented that both his cross-cut and 
> tri-radial headsails would be designed using the same (virtual) mold so there 
> would be little performance difference – not enough to justify the increased 
> cost for a cruising sail. A second sailmaker says the tri-radial sail will 
> “hold its shape better over the long term”, but said the significant 
> increased cost (about 15% for tri-radial construction) make cross-cut a 
> better option.
>  
> So what is the experience (or opinion) of the list about the value of 
> tri-radial construction? Give me some guidance.
>  
> Rick Brass
> Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2
> la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
> Washington, NC
>  
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Stus-List Bow Pulpit Repair

[Dave via CnC-List]

While docking on a windy day I managed to bend my pulpit. The only thing 
obvious is that the life lines are slack (more than the threaded adjustments 
are capable of adjusting for) but, the bent pulpit is still "somewhat" 
symmetrical. So, at a minimum I need to bend it "forward", bend the uprights 
forward relative to the base. While there is a lot of information from a lot of 
folks about how to repair the bent pulpit, I can't find any dimensional 
information about the pulpit to see where I need to bend it back to. 

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. 

Dave J 
Saltaire 
C&C 35 MK3 
Bristol, RI 
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Re: Stus-List Blog post on my excellent day buying Jacklines.

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

A couple of tips: Jacklines should be twisted so they don't lie flat on the 
deck. Makes them easier to pick up. And they should be as tight as practical; 
if they're loose, they will tend to bind as your carabiner runs along them.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
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> On Aug 15, 2016, at 18:38, Dave Syer via CnC-List  
> wrote:
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> Hopefully informative!
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Re: Stus-List Blog post on my excellent day buying Jacklines.

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I know others twist them but to me they are more of a tripping hazard when
twisted and not in use.

My 2 cents

Joel

On Monday, August 15, 2016, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A couple of tips: Jacklines should be twisted so they don't lie flat on
> the deck. Makes them easier to pick up. And they should be as tight as
> practical; if they're loose, they will tend to bind as your carabiner runs
> along them.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Aug 15, 2016, at 18:38, Dave Syer via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
> Hopefully informative!
>
>
>
>
>
> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave 33-2 windstar.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
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Stus-List Rudder post bushings

[Mark Evans via CnC-List]

I have a C&C 39 Northwester.

Looking for information regarding rudder bushing replacements

Thanks

Mark
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