Re: Stus-List 35 mK III polars

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I would love to see those polars for some phrf studies I've been doing.RonWild 
CheriC 30-1STL


  From: Howard and Skippy via CnC-List 
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Cc: Howard and Skippy 
 Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 5:32 PM
 Subject: Stus-List 35 mK III polars
   
If anyone is interested, I have the polars for the 35 MK III.
Howard Paul

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Stus-List 35 mK III spinnaker to hit those polars

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

All this talk of polars has reminded me that I have a spinnaker for a 35-3
in my cellar that will definitely help you hit those polar targets in light
air.  This didn't go with the boat when we parted because they wanted to
stick with the PHRF NE recreational handicap.  Please contact me off list
of you're interested (in the $1000+ range).

The spinnaker is essentially brand new, hoisted less than five times,
delivered to me in April 2015.  It is a 0.5oz AirX (polyester not nylon)
North V Series S1.5 light air runner (VMG) and has an IRC certificate if
needed.  It was amazing for the very short time I had it in Long Island
Sound, and more versatile than I expected (10-15 knots AWS / 70/75-160
degrees AWA).

Click here to see North Sails downwind sail selection / details


Thanks,

Tim
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine comnection with B

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have an EV-100, P70 and a B Zeus chart plotter all on a Seatalk ng network 
and they talk to each other.  I have had problems with the autopilot freezing 
periodically, but that mystery (unsolved) seems not related to the interface of 
the two.  No voodoo allowed when working on my boat.  Quiet cursing and bloody 
fingers usually gets the job done.   Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT


> On Sep 21, 2016, at 4:59 PM, G Collins via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob
> 
> That is not my experience, I've got a similar system, but an EV 200 pilot.  
> My systems are bridged by daisy-chaining one Triton display to a i70 display, 
> the i70 is then daisy-chained to the p70, which connects to the Seatalk II 
> backbone.  Works perfectly (knock on wood).  I must have done the voodoo 
> incantations properly.
> 
> I would suspect it is a more robust system the way you have done it.
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
> 
> On 2016-09-21 9:01 AM, Bob Hickson via CnC-List wrote:
>> I recently bought a Raymarine EVO 100 autopilot to add to my existing B 
>> Triton speed, depth, wind instruments. The EVO autohelm integrated with no 
>> issues ... it displays wind speed and direction and it will sail to an 
>> apparent wind angle (even triggers the alarm if there is a wind shift). I 
>> spent hours with both B and Raymarine tech support over the connection 
>> issue. The Raymarine and B "nema 2000" backbone cables must be connected 
>> "end to end". To achieve this you must cut one end off the Raymarine 
>> backbone cable and install a Maretron connector ($20) that will plug into 
>> the B backbone cable. The connector is a bit fiddly with tiny setscrews 
>> but it works perfectly and the 2 systems talk to each other.
>> 
>> 
>> Bob Hickson, P. ENG.,
>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C Polars Again

[gnylander--- via CnC-List]

I would be interested in your data points as well. I have 
a 155 on Penniless, but change down (usually) before I get 
the rail in the water. I have a number 2 which is about 
140%, and I find the boat sails just as well with it, 
without the drama. As we are in a light wind area, maybe I 
can provide some data as well - I have a wind instrument, 
so can provide speed (from GPS) and apparent wind. I 
cannot seem to get my in-the-water speed wheel to work in 
the water, but it works fine when not installed.


Gary
#593


On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 20:33:18 + (UTC)
 RANDY via CnC-List  wrote:
Hi Ron, 

I'll happily send you the data I get from the SailTimer 
App. I'm excited to see it; it will be the first time 
I've had wind instrumentation on the boat. I know I can 
carry full sail - I had full main and 155 up in 30 kts. 
earlier this year, and my genoa tore before I could get a 
rail in the water :) But I will have my mother on board 
tomorrow, so I'll have to judge how much sail to carry 
based on her comfort level. 

Cheers, 
Randy 


- Original Message -

From: "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List" 
 
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Ronald B. Frerker"  
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:37:38 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C Polars Again 

I'd be interested in your data since I have a '73 
edition of the 30. I don't have the polars, just the IMS 
tables from the Chi-Mac IMS registration from 25-30yrs 
ago. 
BTW, you should be able to carry the 155 with no problem 
at 15 gusting 20. I carry a 160 in those conditions. 
I pinch up a bit over my normal keeping the inside 
telltales lifting straight up and slight twist at the 
top, the traveler down again with a little twist and 
carry a bubble in the main, sometimes up to 50% of the 
main. As long as the rail isn't in the water, it should 
be fine. 
And it will be a really fun ride. 
Ron 
Wild Cheri 
C 30-1 
STL 





From: RANDY via CnC-List  
To: cnc-list  
Cc: RANDY  
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:28 AM 
Subject: Stus-List C Polars Again 

Listers- 

Just wanted to share a site I saw with polars for a few 
different C models: 
http://jieter.github.io/orc-data/site/ 

If you look at the list of boats in the left-hand column 
(or search for "C" on the page), you'll see the 
following models: 
* C 30 (this is the new one-design version, I can tell 
from the boat speeds downwind - it planes :) 
* C 30E (this is the European edition of the C 30, 
apparently built & sold 1977-1982) 
* C 37 
* C 38 
* C 110 
* C 115 
Just click on one of those boats and you'll see its 
polar diagram and polar table. 

I realize that polars are very boat-specific and 
sail-specific, but at least here are some data points. 
For example the other week I took a couple hundred pounds 
of stuff off my boat, emptied the tanks, and cleaned the 
bottom, and I think it made a difference in light air. 
But my sails are old and tired, so I know my boat's 
polars will change again when I get new sails and a 
folding prop. 

For us software developers on the list, it almost looks 
like this guy @Jietermanis might have github-hosted 
software to create polar diagrams from user-supplied 
polar table CSVs. I've tweeted him for more information. 

Last night I got my SailTimer Wind Instrument installed 
at the masthead, so when I go out tomorrow afternoon the 
SailTimer App will be able to learn one polar curve for 
my boat, assuming I'm optimally trimmed on all points of 
sail. The wind is now forecast to be blowing 15 gusting 
20, so hopefully I can get polar data with the same sails 
I race under (full main and 155 genoa, no spinnaker). If 
the wind gets much stronger I might have to reduce sail, 
so the polar data wouldn't be representative of my normal 
racing configuration. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List C Polars Again

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Hi Ron, 

I'll happily send you the data I get from the SailTimer App. I'm excited to see 
it; it will be the first time I've had wind instrumentation on the boat. I know 
I can carry full sail - I had full main and 155 up in 30 kts. earlier this 
year, and my genoa tore before I could get a rail in the water :) But I will 
have my mother on board tomorrow, so I'll have to judge how much sail to carry 
based on her comfort level. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Ronald B. Frerker"  
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:37:38 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C Polars Again 

I'd be interested in your data since I have a '73 edition of the 30. I don't 
have the polars, just the IMS tables from the Chi-Mac IMS registration from 
25-30yrs ago. 
BTW, you should be able to carry the 155 with no problem at 15 gusting 20. I 
carry a 160 in those conditions. 
I pinch up a bit over my normal keeping the inside telltales lifting straight 
up and slight twist at the top, the traveler down again with a little twist and 
carry a bubble in the main, sometimes up to 50% of the main. As long as the 
rail isn't in the water, it should be fine. 
And it will be a really fun ride. 
Ron 
Wild Cheri 
C 30-1 
STL 




From: RANDY via CnC-List  
To: cnc-list  
Cc: RANDY  
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:28 AM 
Subject: Stus-List C Polars Again 

Listers- 

Just wanted to share a site I saw with polars for a few different C models: 
http://jieter.github.io/orc-data/site/ 

If you look at the list of boats in the left-hand column (or search for "C" 
on the page), you'll see the following models: 
* C 30 (this is the new one-design version, I can tell from the boat speeds 
downwind - it planes :) 
* C 30E (this is the European edition of the C 30, apparently built & sold 
1977-1982) 
* C 37 
* C 38 
* C 110 
* C 115 
Just click on one of those boats and you'll see its polar diagram and polar 
table. 

I realize that polars are very boat-specific and sail-specific, but at least 
here are some data points. For example the other week I took a couple hundred 
pounds of stuff off my boat, emptied the tanks, and cleaned the bottom, and I 
think it made a difference in light air. But my sails are old and tired, so I 
know my boat's polars will change again when I get new sails and a folding 
prop. 

For us software developers on the list, it almost looks like this guy 
@Jietermanis might have github-hosted software to create polar diagrams from 
user-supplied polar table CSVs. I've tweeted him for more information. 

Last night I got my SailTimer Wind Instrument installed at the masthead, so 
when I go out tomorrow afternoon the SailTimer App will be able to learn one 
polar curve for my boat, assuming I'm optimally trimmed on all points of sail. 
The wind is now forecast to be blowing 15 gusting 20, so hopefully I can get 
polar data with the same sails I race under (full main and 155 genoa, no 
spinnaker). If the wind gets much stronger I might have to reduce sail, so the 
polar data wouldn't be representative of my normal racing configuration. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List C Polars Again

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I'd be interested in your data since I have a '73 edition of the 30.  I don't 
have the polars, just the IMS tables from the Chi-Mac IMS registration from 
25-30yrs ago.BTW, you should be able to carry the 155 with no problem at 15 
gusting 20.  I carry a 160 in those conditions.I pinch up a bit over my normal 
keeping the inside telltales lifting straight up and slight twist at the top, 
the traveler down again with a little twist and carry a bubble in the main, 
sometimes up to 50% of the main.  As long as the rail isn't in the water, it 
should be fine.And it will be a really fun ride.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


  From: RANDY via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list  
Cc: RANDY 
 Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:28 AM
 Subject: Stus-List C Polars Again
   
Listers-
Just wanted to share a site I saw with polars for a few different C models: 
http://jieter.github.io/orc-data/site/
If you look at the list of boats in the left-hand column (or search for "C" 
on the page), you'll see the following models:* C 30 (this is the new 
one-design version, I can tell from the boat speeds downwind - it planes :)* 
C 30E (this is the European edition of the C 30, apparently built & sold 
1977-1982)* C 37* C 38* C 110* C 115Just click on one of those boats 
and you'll see its polar diagram and polar table.
I realize that polars are very boat-specific and sail-specific, but at least 
here are some data points.  For example the other week I took a couple hundred 
pounds of stuff off my boat, emptied the tanks, and cleaned the bottom, and I 
think it made a difference in light air.  But my sails are old and tired, so I 
know my boat's polars will change again when I get new sails and a folding prop.
For us software developers on the list, it almost looks like this guy 
@Jietermanis might have github-hosted software to create polar diagrams from 
user-supplied polar table CSVs.  I've tweeted him for more information.
Last night I got my SailTimer Wind Instrument installed at the masthead, so 
when I go out tomorrow afternoon the SailTimer App will be able to learn one 
polar curve for my boat, assuming I'm optimally trimmed on all points of sail.  
The wind is now forecast to be blowing 15 gusting 20, so hopefully I can get 
polar data with the same sails I race under (full main and 155 genoa, no 
spinnaker).  If the wind gets much stronger I might have to reduce sail, so the 
polar data wouldn't be representative of my normal racing configuration.
Best Regards,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

An Linux

On Sep 22, 2016 10:21 AM, "Dave S via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> .And windows.
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:02:44 -0400
> From: Jerome Tauber 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Note also that Open CPN software is only available for Android tablets at
> this time, not IPad.  Jerry J
>
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

…. And And OSX(or as of yesterday’s latest release MacOS).


In fact, I find using OpenCPN very easy to create routes which I then transfer 
to my e7D.


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 10:20:40 -0400
> From: Dave S >
> To: jrtau...@aol.com , "C Stus List" 
> >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and
> Message-ID:
>   

Stus-List C Polars Again

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Listers- 

Just wanted to share a site I saw with polars for a few different C models: 
http://jieter.github.io/orc-data/site/ 

If you look at the list of boats in the left-hand column (or search for "C" 
on the page), you'll see the following models: 
* C 30 (this is the new one-design version, I can tell from the boat speeds 
downwind - it planes :) 
* C 30E (this is the European edition of the C 30, apparently built & sold 
1977-1982) 
* C 37 
* C 38 
* C 110 
* C 115 
Just click on one of those boats and you'll see its polar diagram and polar 
table. 

I realize that polars are very boat-specific and sail-specific, but at least 
here are some data points. For example the other week I took a couple hundred 
pounds of stuff off my boat, emptied the tanks, and cleaned the bottom, and I 
think it made a difference in light air. But my sails are old and tired, so I 
know my boat's polars will change again when I get new sails and a folding 
prop. 

For us software developers on the list, it almost looks like this guy 
@Jietermanis might have github-hosted software to create polar diagrams from 
user-supplied polar table CSVs. I've tweeted him for more information. 

Last night I got my SailTimer Wind Instrument installed at the masthead, so 
when I go out tomorrow afternoon the SailTimer App will be able to learn one 
polar curve for my boat, assuming I'm optimally trimmed on all points of sail. 
The wind is now forecast to be blowing 15 gusting 20, so hopefully I can get 
polar data with the same sails I race under (full main and 155 genoa, no 
spinnaker). If the wind gets much stronger I might have to reduce sail, so the 
polar data wouldn't be representative of my normal racing configuration. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 
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Re: Stus-List Topside paint

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

Crazy answer but what about going to an auto parts store.  Match up the color 
there with all their touch up tubes.
Jim schwartz 
SEA YA!
C 38 LF 
Washington nc 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message From: Danny Haughey via 
CnC-List  Date:09/22/2016  9:35 AM  
(GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Topside paint 
Hi Ali,

I'm pretty sure you can have the color matched.  Is your boat original gelcoat 
or has it been painted?  I believe gelcoat is a bit harder to match.  Eother 
way, even if you had the original color recipe, I'm sure it has faded over the 
years and that recipe wouldn't quite match.  I believe that can match gelcoat 
now too   but I'm not certain.  There are plenty of videos on line showing 
gelcoat repair techniques.  Jamestown distributors has some posted and some 
more amateur ones as well.  I did some gelcoat repairs on my old O'day 22.  
They came out ok but, no where near perfect.  I did get a lot of compliments on 
that boat's condition though.  I may just be overly critical of my own work.

I have yet to do any paint repairs.  
Danny

On 9/21/2016 5:26 PM, Alan Zuas via CnC-List wrote:
Hi, 

I have a few scratches on my boat and I wanted to use touch up paint as it is 
unsightly right now.  The boat is a maroon (dark red) C 30 1976. Does anyone 
know how I can find the original paint or the closest match?

Thank you,
Ali 
C 30 1976
Seattle, WA


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Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Just catching up on this. 

 

I think that NMEA 2000 has removed a lot of proprietary barriers, but I agree 
they all try to have some exclusivity to keep you in their herd. Garmin seems 
to be the most open, probably because they are the latest Instrument Mfg. to 
the party.

 

With regards to updating instruments, I don’t know how else you could update 
them unless you had some type of processor (MFD) to interface with them, 
displays don’t have that type of intellect on their own. And of course the 
generation before them you couldn’t update at all, so just being able to 
upgrade somehow is certainly a move forward, not backwards.

 

I can remember sending my old CRC80 back to Raymarine for a factory update, and 
they re-sealed the screen for me as well. Better than having to buy all new 
hardware for new features.

 

What DOES irritate me, is Navionics now telling me on my screen every time I 
start, to pay for a yearly subscription for the features I already thought I 
had paid for, such as routing, etc. Now that seems like a ‘Gotcha’, as they are 
taking them away!

 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Patrick 
Davin via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 7:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Patrick Davin
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and

 

I agree with you. If I had known Raymarine's love of proprietary, lock-you-in, 
charge-as-much-as-they-please techniques, I probably wouldn't have bought an 
i70 and wind instrument.  (It's pretty astounding how much they charge per foot 
for a backbone cable, and even the little plastic caps you use to terminate it)

 

I can see how for some people that aspect isn't that important though, there 
are other things to consider like hardware quality and reliability. 

 

Being in the software industry it was just amazing to see the effort Raymarine 
has made to maintain incompatibility / closed systems. In software if you have 
a common transfer protocol that companies are building their own proprietary 
things on top of, it's either intentional or incompetence. Raymarine doesn't 
seem incompetent so I have to conclude it's intentional. 

 

Apple is actually a good example of a software company that uses similar 
proprietary lock-in techniques to create a closed system. Just take for example 
their proprietary charging port and the latest iphone decision to remove an 
open standard (audio jack) in favor of a closed standard (Apple charging port 
with proprietary audio jack adapter). 

 

People that go Apple are deciding that paying a premium for equivalent hardware 
is worth it for whatever benefits they believe they get out of it (ex, better 
UX design?). With Apple it's not as bad though because they at least try to 
make things easier for the consumer. 

 

The good news is I think software updates to an i70 are much less important 
than updates to a chartplotter. Wind algorithms don't change that often, and 
I'm basically happy with the UI. Charts and charting UI do change often. My 
three Android devices cost less than a Raymarine MFD and provide triple 
redundancy.

 

-Patrick

S/V Violet Hour, Seattle, WA

C LF38

 

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM,  wrote:

-- Forwarded message --
From: Dave S 
To: "C Stus List" 
Cc: 
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:47:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and

Joel, 

 

That's pretty much the nut of it, there is not the same critical mass or 
informed user base as with  mainstream mobile computing, (and this IS mobile 
computing) and today, the tradeoff exists between the benefits (many contrived) 
of single-brand solutions, and the benefits of a more open approach.  Still, 
they have to strategize about their new competition - a $50, full featured 
chartplotter,   (yes, in a relatively fragile device) on technologies with very 
short (relatively) life cycles and blistering innovation rates.   Amazing 
really.  

 

I dealt with the fragility issues by buying a lifeproof case and RAM mount.  
Pretty rugged stuff, and fine for my application - summer sailing on Lake 
Ontario. 

 

I differ a bit on the software upgrade opinion - as with cars this could be a 
safety and liability issue for the manufacturers.   If they make it 
unreasonably difficult, they have a problem.  something else for them to 
grapple with.  

  

Other than chartplotters, tablet based Apps are thin on the ground so far, 
partly because of the small market, partly the "closed shop" of the major 
players, and - somewhat related- partly because "open" wireless N2K is in its 
infancy, though this is changing.  The next few years will be interesting!  
 

 

Dave

 

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Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and

[Dave S via CnC-List]

.And windows.


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:02:44 -0400
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Note also that Open CPN software is only available for Android tablets at
this time, not IPad.  Jerry J

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Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I've kinda sat back and watched this discussion unfold.  Everyone has
pretty much been making the observations which I also made when considering
a new MFD.  As a result I have not purchased a new MFD!

Someone else on the list got me turned on to OpenPlotter.  They also put
together Navigatrix.   Both seek to capitalize on open source solutions
that can be installed on your choice of hardware.  OpenPlotter is more of a
headless solution that will have and create interoperability with all of
your existing hardware.  The developer community is creating some amazing
inroads.

I've already put together a Raspberry Pi B+ with OpenPlotter and a
microUPS.  The sailing season started and I never got it installed on the
boat.  This winter I plan to get the latest version installed with the new
Raspberry Pi 3 and a new microUPS.  I don't have NMEA2000 so I don't know
how well that software solution works (IIRC - CanBUS?) but the rest of the
software package seems to work really well.  I've been "burning it in"
during the summer.  It is always on and always working.  It is broadcasting
SignalK, Wifi hotspot, and remote login services all while multiplexing the
NMEA 0183 inputs.  It is running headlessly but can be attached to any HDMI
display and has USB so it will support a touchscreen.  Any internet ready
device can attach to the system and act as a head-unit or simply a
display.  My thought is that any of the existing MFDs are better
weatherproofed so integrating an older (cheaper) MFD as the head made be a
better option than trying to weatherproof and mount a tablet.

Anyway, this is all part of the reason I'm clinging to my old NMEA 0183
instrument, Autopilot, and venerable Garmin 182C chartplotter.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 20, 2016 9:47 AM, "Dave S via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> OK, my cheeky tabloid headline was more provocative than I expected!
>
> This locked down approach is indeed the historic norm, but today it is not
> industry-wide, and it is changing fast.  Another example of disruptive
> technologies reshaping an industry, and the industry trying to (or trying
> not to) adapt..  
> For my part, I am far more fascinated than I am angry, its interesting,
> and a moment in time in an industry.
>
> Will check Furuno later, (might have been ICOM), I did this quickly and
> did not save what I found.   Navico I already posted - needs a cable,
> software, PC, and Garmin looks like it needs a chartplotter.
>
> Compared to my '80s B hunter stuff, my Raymarine i70 multifunction
> instrument is amazing.   I'm starting to realize though, that it
> is simply a dumbed-down ruggedized ipod touch with a senior-friendly user
> interface that can run only one app.   Forever.   ;-)Ooops, provocative
> again!
>
> All playfulness and side debates aside, if the new normal is that software
> updates are part of ownership, hardware ownership should not come with
> undisclosed hidden costs.
>
> Dave
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 07:05:37 -0500
> From: Frederick G Street 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and
> autopilot business!
> Message-ID: <329cad61-d4a1-44ec-9b6e-c43be1b65...@postaudio.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Dave and all: what ?announcement? is this, exactly?  I still get
> dealer-only emails from Raymarine, and I haven?t received any announcements
> like the one you reference.  And as Graham mentioned, Raymarine is NOT the
> only one who uses their MFDs to update other system software.  Simrad, B
> and others do exactly the same thing.
>
> Can anyone on the list with a Garmin autopilot update its software with an
> SD card, without having a Garmin MFD on the network?  How about upgrading
> your Furuno instruments?
>
> Getting angry about this doesn?t make much sense to me.  It?s
> industry-wide.
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> > On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:44 AM, RANDY via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> >
> > Given Raymarine's announcement, maybe I made a lucky choice. :)
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Re: Stus-List Repainting Waterline Stripe...

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I have not tried this but a friend repainted his waterline stipe and used 
electrical tape, apparently it follows curves etc. easily

Tim
C 33mkii  Matico

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:10 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Godwin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Repainting Waterline Stripe...

What Andy said. I use 3/4” tape and it works (curves..) just fine.

Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> wrote:

David, I use Fine Line tape on my models making the same curves only at 1/2" to 
the foot! You should be able to make 3/4" tape go around the bends at full 
scale.
Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:01 AM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:
My biggest concern is flexibility at the aft end where the strips starts 
curving radically.   1/4" painters tape is flexible?

Thanks in advance

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:50:57 +
Subject: Re: Stus-List Repainting Waterline Stripe...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: mike.h...@impgroup.com

You can get painter masking tape as think as ¼ inch.  Use that for the 
contoured areas and then put something wider overlapping over that.  Has always 
worked for me when painting decks, etc …

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:45 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Godwin
Subject: Re: Stus-List Repainting Waterline Stripe...

David,

I’d spend the few extra bucks and get a good 3M tape. I just did some Awlcraft 
painting for gloss and non-skid on my hatches and I used the Awlgrip (and my 
painter) recommended 3M 218 Fine Line tape for masking the gloss vs. non-skid 
prior to spraying. I’ll be masking off the entire deck sometime this week or 
next and I find the 218 properties to be easy to use. Electrical tape is a bit 
stretchy and I’m not fond of the glue used.

Don’t know what your setup with the boat in the yard is but a good way to mark 
the waterline and boot stripes is with a laser. Boat’s gotta be level 
fore-and-aft and side-to-side.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> wrote:

David,

I would check with the manufacturer to see what you can use over AwlGrip.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:59 AM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Neil,

You are the man...as my next question was how to follow the extreme curvature 
under the stern (waterline and curves widens radically to maintain visual width 
when hull tucks under).

This is my solution.

Thanks!

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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Re: Stus-List Topside paint

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Ali,

I'm pretty sure you can have the color matched.  Is your boat original 
gelcoat or has it been painted?  I believe gelcoat is a bit harder to 
match.  Eother way, even if you had the original color recipe, I'm sure 
it has faded over the years and that recipe wouldn't quite match.  I 
believe that can match gelcoat now too but I'm not certain.  There are 
plenty of videos on line showing gelcoat repair techniques.  Jamestown 
distributors has some posted and some more amateur ones as well.  I did 
some gelcoat repairs on my old O'day 22.  They came out ok but, no where 
near perfect.  I did get a lot of compliments on that boat's condition 
though.  I may just be overly critical of my own work.


I have yet to do any paint repairs.

Danny


On 9/21/2016 5:26 PM, Alan Zuas via CnC-List wrote:

Hi,

I have a few scratches on my boat and I wanted to use touch up paint 
as it is unsightly right now.  The boat is a maroon (dark red) C 30 
1976. Does anyone know how I can find the original paint or the 
closest match?


Thank you,
Ali
C 30 1976
Seattle, WA


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