Re: Stus-List V Berth Holding Tank

[Collin Ferguson via CnC-List]

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!important; } Randy, thanks so much for all the info, it's really helpful.  
Everyone else that replied thanks as well.
I'm going to start doing some measuring and try to make a decision on where to 
put it.
CollinS/V Libra1974 C 30 MK1Baltimore, MD


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On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, 5:19 PM, RANDY  
wrote:

OK Collin I put a few pictures of my holding tank and the invoice for it at 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-NqAxQ6JxFTZ3E3VHc1LURQZEE?usp=sharing.
  Let me know if that URL doesn't work for you.
Looks like the PO spent ~$200 on it from http://www.trioniccorp.com.  They no 
longer list the exact model he ordered but I bet the 2015 would work, and you 
might need the custom fitting kit.
Obviously the PO must have had to take apart all that cabinetry to install the 
tank, and put it back together afterwards.  I'm sure he fabricated that shelf 
around the tank.  I haven't gotten in there to see how he mounted / supported 
the tank on the hull.  In the pictures of the tank, the silver hose at left is 
the vent, and there is a vent fitting just below the rub rail on the outside of 
the hull (see also 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ).  The center 
white hose goes to a waste pump-out fitting on the deck.  I'm guessing both 
those fittings were already there when the PO installed the new tank.  The 
white hose at right is black water in from the toilet, which loops over from 
far right (i.e. forward most).
I also threw in a couple shots of the toilet pump and under-sink plumbing for 
completeness.  In the picture of the toilet pump, the silver hose is flush 
water in to the pump; the white hose on top is flush water out from the pump.  
The white hose on the bottom is black water out from the toilet.  In the 
under-sink shot you can see those same flush water to pump, and black water 
from toilet hoses.  Plus the fresh-water lines and pump to the sink, and the 
drain and through-hull.
The way my washroom is plumbed, I don't have overboard discharge or Y valve or 
above-waterline loop etc.  And I can flush the head with raw lake water, but I 
don't.  I always flush it with fresh water from the forward tank.  My first 
reason for doing that was to keep lake water bacteria and organic matter etc. 
out of the system, to reduce odor.  But maybe a second advantage is that it 
will help the system last longer to use cleaner water.  I can also drain the 
sink into the lake, but I don't - I generally pump the sink drain water through 
the toilet into the holding tank.  So I generally keep that through-hull 
seacock closed all the time.  There was an earlier thread on head plumbing back 
in April, if you're interested: 
http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-April/084241.html
For where I sail (a lake in Colorado with a pump-out station at the marina), 
this arrangement works fine.  If I was doing extended cruises offshore I'd 
probably want overboard discharge and raw-water flush.  But for now I don't 
need huge holding tank capacity, and I don't like the idea of smelly sloshy 
holding tanks right under the pillows in the V berth :)
Cheers,Randy
From: "Collin Ferguson" 
To: "RANDY" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 6:11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List V Berth Holding Tank

Hey Randy,
Yea it would be helpful if you knew where he ordered the tank from, if I could 
find one that fit well for a good price that would help out a lot. 

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:52 PM, RANDY  
wrote:
 

 Hi Collin,
Welcome.  If you look at the various 30-1 brochures 
(http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/brochuresndx.htm), it seems C may not 
have installed a holding tank originally, but began doing it somewhere in the 
production run.  For example 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/30foot/30b2pg02.htm says "Washroom Port 
side ... large locker outboard with double sliding doors for toilet articles.  
Stowage under".  And http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/30foot/30b3pg04.htm 
says "WASHROOM Port side - ... large storage locker with sliding doors" and 
"Interior Equipment and Fittings: Marine toilet with retention device for those 
areas requiring it".  But 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/30foot/30b1pg02.htm says "TANKAGE: 
Holding: 13 U.S. gallon tank".
I have hull #7, built September 1972.  I just bought it in January.  My boat 
has a holding tank in the washroom on the port side outboard, behind those 
sliding doors.  The PO advertised "complete new holding tank" as part of work 
he did in 2012.  I don't know if he installed one in the same place as an old 
one, or what.  I believe I have the invoice on the boat, showing what he 
ordered and where he ordered it from.  If 

Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

[svpegasus38]

I have been using Delo 400 15w40 in my 3qm30. No problems. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 #4just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: doug.welch--- via CnC-List Date: Wed, Oct 
12, 2016 09:18To: C List;Cc: doug.we...@rogers.com;Subject:Stus-List Looking 
for oil recommendation for 2GM20F
Lots of different recommendations found via Google but favoring rotella t 15W40.
What do you folks use?

Located on Toronto and hauling out in 3 weeks


Cheers,Doug
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Re: Stus-List Seeping Depth Sounder

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

I went with your suggestion and got brave enough to take off the ring. Used 
unreasonable amount of butyl to seal it. Seems to have worked. Thanks!

Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD


On Oct 10, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List 
> wrote:

If you can back the ring off enough to insert it, butyl tape or a thick ring of 
Lanocote would probably make it leak-free for a while.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 10 October 2016 at 16:44, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Pray the thru hull isn't cracked?

Dennis C.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List 
> wrote:

I just noticed my depth sounder is seeping small amount of water from the 
bottom between plywood backing plate and the ring. Anything I can do short of a 
haul out to fix it until next Spring? Silkaflex? 5200? Really not looking 
forward to haul out right now...


Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Only if you were looking to be ISAF compliant...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-10-12 5:55 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
ISAF requires that the AIS be connected to a masthead antenna.

So you would still need a splitter.

Joel

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, G Collins via CnC-List 
> wrote:

The Panbo 
review
 talks about that, Ben's conclusion seems to be that the difficulty in getting 
thru certifying a combo VHF and AIS transponder is daunting enough, adding a 
VHF splitter to that would make the challenge too much.

But you can still add a splitter on your own...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-10-12 10:59 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
:(
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 

Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> 
wrote:

Thanks Fred

We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any 
indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?

We would very much like the ships to know where we are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS




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Re: Stus-List V Berth Holding Tank

[RANDY via CnC-List]

OK Collin I put a few pictures of my holding tank and the invoice for it at 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-NqAxQ6JxFTZ3E3VHc1LURQZEE?usp=sharing 
. Let me know if that URL doesn't work for you. 

Looks like the PO spent ~$200 on it from http://www.trioniccorp.com . They no 
longer list the exact model he ordered but I bet the 2015 would work, and you 
might need the custom fitting kit. 

Obviously the PO must have had to take apart all that cabinetry to install the 
tank, and put it back together afterwards. I'm sure he fabricated that shelf 
around the tank. I haven't gotten in there to see how he mounted / supported 
the tank on the hull. In the pictures of the tank, the silver hose at left is 
the vent, and there is a vent fitting just below the rub rail on the outside of 
the hull (see also 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ ). The center 
white hose goes to a waste pump-out fitting on the deck. I'm guessing both 
those fittings were already there when the PO installed the new tank. The white 
hose at right is black water in from the toilet, which loops over from far 
right (i.e. forward most). 

I also threw in a couple shots of the toilet pump and under-sink plumbing for 
completeness. In the picture of the toilet pump, the silver hose is flush water 
in to the pump; the white hose on top is flush water out from the pump. The 
white hose on the bottom is black water out from the toilet. In the under-sink 
shot you can see those same flush water to pump, and black water from toilet 
hoses. Plus the fresh-water lines and pump to the sink, and the drain and 
through-hull. 

The way my washroom is plumbed, I don't have overboard discharge or Y valve or 
above-waterline loop etc. And I can flush the head with raw lake water, but I 
don't. I always flush it with fresh water from the forward tank. My first 
reason for doing that was to keep lake water bacteria and organic matter etc. 
out of the system, to reduce odor. But maybe a second advantage is that it will 
help the system last longer to use cleaner water. I can also drain the sink 
into the lake, but I don't - I generally pump the sink drain water through the 
toilet into the holding tank. So I generally keep that through-hull seacock 
closed all the time. There was an earlier thread on head plumbing back in 
April, if you're interested: 
http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-April/084241.html 

For where I sail (a lake in Colorado with a pump-out station at the marina), 
this arrangement works fine. If I was doing extended cruises offshore I'd 
probably want overboard discharge and raw-water flush. But for now I don't need 
huge holding tank capacity, and I don't like the idea of smelly sloshy holding 
tanks right under the pillows in the V berth :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Collin Ferguson"  
To: "RANDY"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 6:11:10 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List V Berth Holding Tank 

Hey Randy, 

Yea it would be helpful if you knew where he ordered the tank from, if I could 
find one that fit well for a good price that would help out a lot. 


On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:52 PM, RANDY  wrote: 


Hi Collin, 

Welcome. If you look at the various 30-1 brochures ( 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/brochuresndx.htm ), it seems C may not 
have installed a holding tank originally, but began doing it somewhere in the 
production run. For example 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/30foot/30b2pg02.htm says "Washroom Port 
side ... large locker outboard with double sliding doors for toilet articles. 
Stowage under". And http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/30foot/30b3pg04.htm 
says "WASHROOM Port side - ... large storage locker with sliding doors" and 
"Interior Equipment and Fittings: Marine toilet with retention device for those 
areas requiring it". But 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/30foot/30b1pg02.htm says "TANKAGE: 
Holding: 13 U.S. gallon tank". 

I have hull #7, built September 1972. I just bought it in January. My boat has 
a holding tank in the washroom on the port side outboard, behind those sliding 
doors. The PO advertised "complete new holding tank" as part of work he did in 
2012. I don't know if he installed one in the same place as an old one, or 
what. I believe I have the invoice on the boat, showing what he ordered and 
where he ordered it from. If you're interested in that, I could get it next 
time I'm at the boat and send you a scan of it. 

But I would imagine you could install a holding tank in that location, and only 
have to deal with removing and replacing (and custom fitting) wood paneling and 
trim etc, instead of installing one in the stowage compartment under the port 
side of the V berth and having to enlarge the fiberglass opening there and run 
the plumbing into there, etc. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 

Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[ed vanderkruk via CnC-List]

I think you can have a dedicated AIS antenna if it is at least 3m from the
water line.

Ed

On Oct 12, 2016 4:56 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> ISAF requires that the AIS be connected to a masthead antenna.
>
> So you would still need a splitter.
>
> Joel
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, G Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The Panbo review
>> 
>> talks about that, Ben's conclusion seems to be that the difficulty in
>> getting thru certifying a combo VHF and AIS transponder is daunting enough,
>> adding a VHF splitter to that would make the challenge too much.
>>
>> But you can still add a splitter on your own...
>>
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C 35-III #11
>>
>> On 2016-10-12 10:59 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> L
>>
>> That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the
>> masthead antenna for both.
>>
>> Dang!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Frederick
>> G Street via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Frederick G Street 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to
>> allow the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and
>> also a lot of FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS
>> transceiver, it’s *actually got TWO antenna connections* on the back;
>> one for VHF and one for AIS.  That would be tough to add to the GX2200…
>> :^)
>>
>>
>>
>> — Fred
>>
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any
>> indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?
>>
>>
>>
>> We would very much like the ships to know where we are
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Persistence
>>
>> Halifax, NS
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions 
>> are greatly appreciated!
>>
>>
>>
>
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Stus-List AIS VHF

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

There are two antennas with AIS - an AIS antenna, and a VHF antenna
connected to the AIS unit.  Neither one has to be on the mast.  Both of
mine are attached to the pushpit.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

ISAF requires that the AIS be connected to a masthead antenna.

So you would still need a splitter.

Joel

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, G Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The Panbo review
> 
> talks about that, Ben's conclusion seems to be that the difficulty in
> getting thru certifying a combo VHF and AIS transponder is daunting enough,
> adding a VHF splitter to that would make the challenge too much.
>
> But you can still add a splitter on your own...
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2016-10-12 10:59 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
>
> L
>
> That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the
> masthead antenna for both.
>
> Dang!
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *Frederick G Street via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>
>
>
> Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to
> allow the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and
> also a lot of FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS
> transceiver, it’s *actually got TWO antenna connections* on the back; one
> for VHF and one for AIS.  That would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)
>
>
>
> — Fred
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Fred
>
>
>
> We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any
> indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?
>
>
>
> We would very much like the ships to know where we are
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax, NS
>
>
>
>
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> are greatly appreciated!
>
>
>

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[G Collins via CnC-List]

The Panbo 
review
 talks about that, Ben's conclusion seems to be that the difficulty in getting 
thru certifying a combo VHF and AIS transponder is daunting enough, adding a 
VHF splitter to that would make the challenge too much.

But you can still add a splitter on your own...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-10-12 10:59 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
:(
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:

Thanks Fred

We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any 
indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?

We would very much like the ships to know where we are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS




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Re: Stus-List Sailing from San Francisco to San Diego

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Couple thoughts - be sure the fuel and tank are clean.  Carry lots of spare
fuel filters and be sure you know how to bleed the engine.
Should be no more than 3 days if the weather is good.  Provision for 5 -
you'll get hungry!
Rent/buy/borrow a sat phone.  EPIRB is recommended too.

If you want to see what would be required for an offshore race look here:
http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2016mo123032016-[19869].pdf

Probably overkill for your trip.

Sounds like a great trip!

Joel

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Also be aware that pretty much any C with large following seas can be a
> bit squirrely to steer.  I helped Wal Bryant move his LF38 down the
> California coast heading for Mexico several years back; our best bet with
> NW wind and swells was to head offshore due south about 70 miles, then head
> back toward shore.  That brought the wind and swells more on the quarter,
> and helped stabilize things.
>
> Wal had a Monitor wind vane, which steered like a champ for most of the
> trip.  And we didn’t see much of the “winds after midnight” easing; but we
> were coming on the heels of a pretty big offshore blow.
>
> Make sure your boat is well prepared, with everything stowed well; and
> make all the other usual offshore preparations, like jacklines and other
> safety gear ready.  Make sure to keep the crew well-rested, and don’t have
> anyone spend more than a four-hour watch in the cockpit at night; it can
> get cold out there, and hypothermia can be a real concern.  Keep lots of
> high-carb (i.e., chocolate…) snacks handy, and eat well the rest of the
> time, with hot meals when you can.
>
> That 400 miles will go by pretty fast once you’ve settled in to offshore
> sailing.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:55 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Pick a good weather window with winds from Northwest.  Be flexible as to
> when you leave.  Point Conception can be very windy.
> Generally after midnight winds ease.
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
> C 44
> Portland, Or
>
> On Oct 12, 2016 12:36 PM, "Jim Eagon via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> I'll be moving my C 37 "Trinity" from San Francisco to Oceanside (near
>> San Diego) in November.
>> I have heard interesting "tales" about sailing the California coast and
>> am doing my best to prepare.
>> However, I have not owned my boat for very long (less than a year now)
>> and I am new to the C brand.
>> Is there anything I should be aware of in terms of how she might perform
>> or behave on the trip or anything I
>> should be wary of? Do those of you who have made extended voyages or
>> cruised CA have any advice?
>> This trip will be about 400 mi, by my calculations an she seems a quality
>> boat and I feel it will be a good adventure in coastal cruising.
>>
>> Thank you in advance!
>>
>> Fair Winds
>>
>> Jim :-)
>>
>> --
>> Jim Eagon [K6JFE]
>>
>> I'd rather be sailing!
>>
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Re: Stus-List Sailing from San Francisco to San Diego

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Also be aware that pretty much any C with large following seas can be a bit 
squirrely to steer.  I helped Wal Bryant move his LF38 down the California 
coast heading for Mexico several years back; our best bet with NW wind and 
swells was to head offshore due south about 70 miles, then head back toward 
shore.  That brought the wind and swells more on the quarter, and helped 
stabilize things.

Wal had a Monitor wind vane, which steered like a champ for most of the trip.  
And we didn’t see much of the “winds after midnight” easing; but we were coming 
on the heels of a pretty big offshore blow.

Make sure your boat is well prepared, with everything stowed well; and make all 
the other usual offshore preparations, like jacklines and other safety gear 
ready.  Make sure to keep the crew well-rested, and don’t have anyone spend 
more than a four-hour watch in the cockpit at night; it can get cold out there, 
and hypothermia can be a real concern.  Keep lots of high-carb (i.e., 
chocolate…) snacks handy, and eat well the rest of the time, with hot meals 
when you can.

That 400 miles will go by pretty fast once you’ve settled in to offshore 
sailing.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:55 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Pick a good weather window with winds from Northwest.  Be flexible as to when 
> you leave.  Point Conception can be very windy.
> Generally after midnight winds ease.
> Fred Hazzard 
> S/V Fury 
> C 44
> Portland, Or
> 
> 
> On Oct 12, 2016 12:36 PM, "Jim Eagon via CnC-List"  > wrote:
> Hi all:
> 
> I'll be moving my C 37 "Trinity" from San Francisco to Oceanside (near San 
> Diego) in November.
> I have heard interesting "tales" about sailing the California coast and am 
> doing my best to prepare.
> However, I have not owned my boat for very long (less than a year now) and I 
> am new to the C brand.
> Is there anything I should be aware of in terms of how she might perform or 
> behave on the trip or anything I 
> should be wary of? Do those of you who have made extended voyages or cruised 
> CA have any advice?
> This trip will be about 400 mi, by my calculations an she seems a quality 
> boat and I feel it will be a good adventure in coastal cruising. 
> 
> Thank you in advance!
> 
> Fair Winds
> 
> Jim :-)
> 
> -- 
> Jim Eagon [K6JFE]
>  
> I'd rather be sailing!

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Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

IIRC, Amsoil marine diesel 15w45.  High TBN with Amsoil filter and annual
analysis.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 12, 2016 12:18 PM, "doug.welch--- via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Lots of different recommendations found via Google but favoring rotella t
> 15W40.
>
> What do you folks use?
>
>
> Located on Toronto and hauling out in 3 weeks
>
>
> Cheers,
> Doug
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: Stus-List Sailing from San Francisco to San Diego

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

Pick a good weather window with winds from Northwest.  Be flexible as to
when you leave.  Point Conception can be very windy.
Generally after midnight winds ease.
Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or

On Oct 12, 2016 12:36 PM, "Jim Eagon via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> I'll be moving my C 37 "Trinity" from San Francisco to Oceanside (near
> San Diego) in November.
> I have heard interesting "tales" about sailing the California coast and am
> doing my best to prepare.
> However, I have not owned my boat for very long (less than a year now) and
> I am new to the C brand.
> Is there anything I should be aware of in terms of how she might perform
> or behave on the trip or anything I
> should be wary of? Do those of you who have made extended voyages or
> cruised CA have any advice?
> This trip will be about 400 mi, by my calculations an she seems a quality
> boat and I feel it will be a good adventure in coastal cruising.
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
> Fair Winds
>
> Jim :-)
>
> --
> Jim Eagon [K6JFE]
>
> I'd rather be sailing!
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Sailing from San Francisco to San Diego

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

Jim, that sounds like an awesome trip! They cover that area frequently in 
Latitude 38 Magazine and I would bet a call to the Magazine staff would turn up 
sources of info.   You should do a blog of your trip like the "DainyRays" is 
doing for their trip down the East Coast...take lots of photos...I like the 
one's showing life on board while underway best! Good luck and have a safe 
trip. 
 

 


Richard
S/V Bushmark4; C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Eagon via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Jim Eagon 
Sent: Wed, Oct 12, 2016 3:36 pm
Subject: Stus-List Sailing from San Francisco to San Diego



Hi all:

I'll be moving my C 37 "Trinity" from San Francisco to Oceanside (near San 
Diego) in November.
I have heard interesting "tales" about sailing the California coast and am 
doing my best to prepare.
However, I have not owned my boat for very long (less than a year now) and I am 
new to the C brand.
Is there anything I should be aware of in terms of how she might perform or 
behave on the trip or anything I 
should be wary of? Do those of you who have made extended voyages or cruised CA 
have any advice?
This trip will be about 400 mi, by my calculations an she seems a quality boat 
and I feel it will be a good adventure in coastal cruising. 


Thank you in advance!


Fair Winds


Jim :-)

-- 



Jim Eagon [K6JFE]
 
I'd rather be sailing!
 





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Stus-List Sailing from San Francisco to San Diego

[Jim Eagon via CnC-List]

Hi all:

I'll be moving my C 37 "Trinity" from San Francisco to Oceanside (near
San Diego) in November.
I have heard interesting "tales" about sailing the California coast and am
doing my best to prepare.
However, I have not owned my boat for very long (less than a year now) and
I am new to the C brand.
Is there anything I should be aware of in terms of how she might perform or
behave on the trip or anything I
should be wary of? Do those of you who have made extended voyages or
cruised CA have any advice?
This trip will be about 400 mi, by my calculations an she seems a quality
boat and I feel it will be a good adventure in coastal cruising.

Thank you in advance!

Fair Winds

Jim :-)

-- 
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I'd rather be sailing!
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Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

I have been using Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40 in my 3QM30.   

I don’t recall where I read it, but somewhere it was stated that Yanmar which 
recommended SAE30 on older engines changed their recommendation to 15W-40.



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:59 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F
> 
> Rotella straight 30W oil for my 3QM30.
> 
> And haul out is about a week and half away...   :^(
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

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Stus-List AIS VHF

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I bought a Digital Yacht AIS with transponder from Fred Street a couple of
years ago.  It's been very handy, especially when meeting a commercial ship
and not knowing in which direction they would be turning.  Having a
separate VHF antenna is handy as an emergency antenna if I were to lose my
mast.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

AIS envy is a terrible thing!

I'll want one before the 2018 A2B!

Joel

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, Steve Thomas via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> I was trying to figure why they would have provided 2 antenna connections
> in the first place. My conclusion was that for a vessel that is required to
> have a transponder on all of the time, a single antenna VHF/AIS combo unit
> might not satisfy the requirement since it would not be able to receive or
> transmit AIS data while voice transmissions were in progress. It would be a
> small gap, but maybe enough to run afoul of the regulations.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  Pete Shelquist via CnC-List >
> wrote:
> FWIW, my separate Garmin AIS and radio use one antenna.  The AIS has a
> built in splitter.  This is nothing new.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On
> Behalf Of Steve Thomas via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:55 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Steve Thomas >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>
> I can't see any reason not to use a single antenna on vessels that are
> voluntarily equipped with AIS. Time will tell if the recreational market is
> big enough for someone to make a suitable rig. It ought to be, in my
> opinion.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  "Della Barba wrote:
> ☹
> That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the
> masthead antenna for both.
> Dang!
> Joe
> Coquina
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On
> Behalf Of Frederick G Street via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Frederick G Street >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>
> Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to
> allow the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and
> also a lot of FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS
> transceiver, it’s actually got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for
> VHF and one for AIS.  That would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

[Bruce Pope via CnC-List]

I did a ton of homework when I bought my 29-2 with a 2GM20F two years ago and 
have been using Shell Rotella T 10W-30 with no problems.  I run my engine in 
temperature range of -5 to +35 Celsius.  Cheapest source I have found is 
walmart.





From: CnC-List  on behalf of Frederick G Street 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

Rotella straight 30W oil for my 3QM30.

And haul out is about a week and half away...   :^(

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:17 AM, doug.welch--- via CnC-List 
> wrote:

Lots of different recommendations found via Google but favoring rotella t 15W40.

What do you folks use?


Located on Toronto and hauling out in 3 weeks

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I was trying to figure why they would have provided 2 antenna connections in 
the first place. My conclusion was that for a vessel that is required to have a 
transponder on all of the time, a single antenna VHF/AIS combo unit might not 
satisfy the requirement since it would not be able to receive or transmit AIS 
data while voice transmissions were in progress. It would be a small gap, but 
maybe enough to run afoul of the regulations. 

Steve Thomas 
C MKIII 
Port Stanley, ON  

 Pete Shelquist via CnC-List  wrote: 
FWIW, my separate Garmin AIS and radio use one antenna.  The AIS has a built in 
splitter.  This is nothing new.  



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

I can't see any reason not to use a single antenna on vessels that are 
voluntarily equipped with AIS. Time will tell if the recreational market is big 
enough for someone to make a suitable rig. It ought to be, in my opinion. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
☹
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI



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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[jhnelson via CnC-List]

Now if Garmin would only combine the as box with their vhf box they'd be an 
industry leader. It could be their vhf 900 series. 


Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: Pete Shelquist via CnC-List  
Date: 2016-10-12  2:19 PM  (GMT-04:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Pete Shelquist  
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF 

FWIW, my separate Garmin AIS and radio use one antenna.  The AIS has a built in 
splitter.  This is nothing new.  



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

I can't see any reason not to use a single antenna on vessels that are 
voluntarily equipped with AIS. Time will tell if the recreational market is big 
enough for someone to make a suitable rig. It ought to be, in my opinion. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
☹
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI



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Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

[tom via CnC-List]

Yanmar recommends straight weight oil and to vary it depending on the
season and temperature. For temps below 10C 10W or 20W; temps from 10-20C
20W; temps from 20-35C 30W or 40W. Rotella is recommended, but Yanmar
states "Choose a brand with a rating higher than SAE class CC"
Tom
30-1
Raritan Bay NJ

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:17 PM, doug.welch--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Lots of different recommendations found via Google but favoring rotella t
> 15W40.
>
> What do you folks use?
>
>
> Located on Toronto and hauling out in 3 weeks
>
>
> Cheers,
> Doug
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: Stus-List Thoughts to those in Matthew's path

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Dear fellow sailors,

Sorry for my delayed reply.  I've been out of pocket for a few days due to
work.  My wife and I live aboard our '80 Landfall 38 in North Palm Beach.
By the grace of God we escaped the brunt of Matthew without a scratch.  I
had "spider webbed" Nina in our slip with about 2 dozen dock lines giving
enough slack for tidal surge, etc.  I believe our average wind speeds
during the storm were about 50mph with gusts to 75.  The marina where we
are is considered a hurricane hole and it lived up to that designation.  We
obviously did not ride out the storm on board, but rather went to some
friends house for a couple days.  We feel extremely fortunate.  Areas
further north such as Jacksonville were not as fortunate from what I hear.

I has been 11 years since we had a hurricane of significance here in south
FL (Wilma), and I'm hoping for another 11 year stretch after this one.

God bless to everyone.

Regards,
Brian Davis




On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hope all in Matthew's path remain safe.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandevile, LA
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

FWIW, my separate Garmin AIS and radio use one antenna.  The AIS has a built in 
splitter.  This is nothing new.  



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

I can't see any reason not to use a single antenna on vessels that are 
voluntarily equipped with AIS. Time will tell if the recreational market is big 
enough for someone to make a suitable rig. It ought to be, in my opinion. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
☹
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI



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Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I use Rotella 10w-30. It usually comes on sale late September or early October. 
You can set-up Canadian Tire web site to tell you when it happens.

Marek
Ottawa, ON


From: ed vanderkruk via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 12:40
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: ed vanderkruk
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F


I generally use Canadian Tire brand 15W40 ... or W30 ... I do an oil change 
twice a year. Either before or after our summer vacation and before haulout 
which begins this weekend.

Ed
QCYC
Toronto,  Ontario


On Oct 12, 2016 12:18 PM, "doug.welch--- via CnC-List"  
wrote:
Lots of different recommendations found via Google but favoring rotella t 15W40.

What do you folks use?


Located on Toronto and hauling out in 3 weeks


Cheers,
Doug
Sent from Yahoo Mail on 
Android

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I can't see any reason not to use a single antenna on vessels that are 
voluntarily equipped with AIS. Time will tell if the recreational market is big 
enough for someone to make a suitable rig. It ought to be, in my opinion. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
☹
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI



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Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

[ed vanderkruk via CnC-List]

I generally use Canadian Tire brand 15W40 ... or W30 ... I do an oil change
twice a year. Either before or after our summer vacation and before haulout
which begins this weekend.

Ed
QCYC
Toronto,  Ontario

On Oct 12, 2016 12:18 PM, "doug.welch--- via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Lots of different recommendations found via Google but favoring rotella t
15W40.

What do you folks use?


Located on Toronto and hauling out in 3 weeks


Cheers,
Doug
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Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

My yanmar manual list Rotella T as one of the recommended oils for my 3HM30F

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, doug.welch--- via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lots of different recommendations found via Google but favoring rotella t 
> 15W40.
> 
> What do you folks use?
> 
> 
> Located on Toronto and hauling out in 3 weeks
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Doug
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Rotella straight 30W oil for my 3QM30.

And haul out is about a week and half away…   :^(

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:17 AM, doug.welch--- via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lots of different recommendations found via Google but favoring rotella t 
> 15W40.
> 
> What do you folks use?
> 
> 
> Located on Toronto and hauling out in 3 weeks

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[doug.welch--- via CnC-List]

Lots of different recommendations found via Google but favoring rotella t 15W40.
What do you folks use?

Located on Toronto and hauling out in 3 weeks


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Re: Stus-List V Berth Holding Tank

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Welcome.
Your 5 gallon can reminds me how handy it was at times to have a portapotti
that could be easily emptied in a shore-toilet.
Not sure where you are located but there is a shop in Whitby ON - a
division of MAS plastics - that makes custom poly holding tanks.   In any
case I would make a cardboard mock up before ordering anything.
Ordering and shipping something that bulky across the border would be
killer, twice would be worse.
If you can, have the pump out hose exit from the top, with a length of pipe
reaching to the bottom.  This prevents black water from collecting in the
hose, and moves the fitting/hole to above the (black) waterline.
Not familiar with your boat , but it seems strange you have no deck plate.
IF you are going to cut open any bulkhead, remember to cut the corners with
a large radius to avoid stress concentrations.

Dave

.



 On 10/11/2016 7:49 PM, Collin Ferguson via CnC-List wrote:
> Hello, This is my first posting to this list.  I'm used to forums like
> on the Moyer site, so hopefully I'm doing this right.
>
> I have a 1974 C 30 MK1.  To my knowledge, it was built without a
> blackwater holding tank for the Head.  At some point over the last 40
> years a P.O. put a 5 gallon Jerry can in a storage compartment in the
> V Berth and installed a Y valve after the macerator.  One side of the
> Y valve goes overboard the other goes to the Jerry can.
>
> I'd like to install a legitimate holding tank and I think the storage
> compartment on the Port side of the V berth is a good spot.
>
> Here's my question...
>
> The current opening to that storage compartment is very small, just
> barely fits the square 5 gallon jerry can.  Can I make that opening
> bigger without affecting the structural integrity of the boat?  I
> understand that I'll have to make the hatch sturdy so it won't fall
> through when you sleep in the v berth.  There is a lot more to do,
> like install and plumb a pump out deck plate.  But the placement of
> the holding tank, and finding one seems to be the hardest part.
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Collin
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Re: Stus-List V Berth Holding Tank

[rick bushie via CnC-List]

Collin,

Anchovy had a 2 gallon gas can for a holding tank when I got her.  I
converted the forward potable water tank into a holding tank and installed
13 gallon bladders in the spaces you describe under the port and starboard
v-berth.

I cut out rather large openings on the two sides to facilitate installing
the bladders and converting the tank.  Then I cut "Flanges" out of plywood
that are epoxied and screwed in place under the v-berth platform.  These
flanges are very strong and allowed me to reinstall the cutouts after the
mods were done.  The cutouts are screwed back in place but not epoxied so
that I can pull them again if needed.

I also removed the overboard through-hull and glassed it in.

I really like having a 30-35 gallon holding tank.

Rick Bushie
Anchovy, '71 30-1
Tolchester, MD
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Re: Stus-List Seeping Depth Sounder

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

I thought about backing the ring but that might make a haul out an immediate 
necessity! Thanks!


Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Jim Watts via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 8:16 PM
To: 1 CnC List
Cc: Jim Watts
Subject: Re: Stus-List Seeping Depth Sounder

If you can back the ring off enough to insert it, butyl tape or a thick ring of 
Lanocote would probably make it leak-free for a while.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 10 October 2016 at 16:44, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Pray the thru hull isn't cracked?

Dennis C.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List 
> wrote:

I just noticed my depth sounder is seeping small amount of water from the 
bottom between plywood backing plate and the ring. Anything I can do short of a 
haul out to fix it until next Spring? Silkaflex? 5200? Really not looking 
forward to haul out right now...


Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD

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Re: Stus-List Seeping Depth Sounder

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

I hope not!


Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 7:44 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Seeping Depth Sounder

Pray the thru hull isn't cracked?

Dennis C.

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Re: Stus-List V Berth Holding Tank

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

HI Collin!

welcome!  I would contact Holland marine.  This guy is a C 
specialist.  http://www.hollandmarine.com/


He carries a holding tank that he claims; "These tanks were used on many 
Canadian built boats, such as Most C Yachts, Northerns, Viking 33, and 
many other boats"


It ain't cheap but if it works...!
Another option is to get a hold of the catalog from the 
http://www.ronco-plastics.com/ site and try and pick out one that will 
work best for your space.  Most boat tanks are odd shapes to fit better 
against the hull and give you as much holding volume as possible.  As 
you study the catalog you'll start to get an idea of a good shape for 
your anticipated space.


You could actually bring the catalog to the boat, while looking in the 
space you have and measuring.  Get as close as you can with maybe a few 
options and then, perhaps, build cardboard mock ups ans see which ones 
fit best...


Its a lot of up front work and research but, it'll get you the right 
tank.  This is not a short term project.  these tanks last for many 
years, MANY years.  You can also have them place the inlets, outlets and 
ports to your specified locations.


Hope this helps some.

Danny

On 10/11/2016 7:49 PM, Collin Ferguson via CnC-List wrote:
Hello, This is my first posting to this list.  I'm used to forums like 
on the Moyer site, so hopefully I'm doing this right.


I have a 1974 C 30 MK1.  To my knowledge, it was built without a 
blackwater holding tank for the Head.  At some point over the last 40 
years a P.O. put a 5 gallon Jerry can in a storage compartment in the 
V Berth and installed a Y valve after the macerator.  One side of the 
Y valve goes overboard the other goes to the Jerry can.


I'd like to install a legitimate holding tank and I think the storage 
compartment on the Port side of the V berth is a good spot.


Here's my question...

The current opening to that storage compartment is very small, just 
barely fits the square 5 gallon jerry can.  Can I make that opening 
bigger without affecting the structural integrity of the boat?  I 
understand that I'll have to make the hatch sturdy so it won't fall 
through when you sleep in the v berth.  There is a lot more to do, 
like install and plumb a pump out deck plate.  But the placement of 
the holding tank, and finding one seems to be the hardest part.


Thanks for your help,

Collin


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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

☹
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:

Thanks Fred

We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any 
indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?

We would very much like the ships to know where we are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Fred
>  
> We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any 
> indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?
>  
> We would very much like the ships to know where we are
>  
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Thanks Fred

We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any 
indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?

We would very much like the ships to know where we are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:28 AM
To: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Stus-List AIS VHF

Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while before we 
saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html

As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll be able 
to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested (Joel…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

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Re: Stus-List V Berth Holding Tank

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

The later30-1’s have a holding tank directly behind the toilet, in the 
compartment under the sliding plastic doors. Factory item, looks like it was 
built in, with a Y valve under the sink going to a thru hull, also under the 
sink, and diverting to the holding tank. Pump out fitting is on the deck by the 
port. There is an access port to the tank on the ‘floor’ of the cabinet behind 
the doors.

 

It may be easier to put a pre-fab tank or a flex tank like Jake says in the 
area you are thinking about by inserting it through the large center opening in 
the vee berth and run the plumbing up forward on the port side. To do a tank 
where mine is would require some creative cabinetry and a custom built tank (it 
tapers to match the side of the boat). 

Gary

#593

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake 
Brodersen via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 9:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jake Brodersen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List V Berth Holding Tank

 

Colin,

 

Nauta makes some good flexible tanks.  I’ve had one in my 35-3 for over 15 
years and no problems or smells.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Collin 
Ferguson via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 19:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Collin Ferguson  >
Subject: Stus-List V Berth Holding Tank

 

Hello, This is my first posting to this list.  I'm used to forums like on the 
Moyer site, so hopefully I'm doing this right.

 

I have a 1974 C 30 MK1.  To my knowledge, it was built without a blackwater 
holding tank for the Head.  At some point over the last 40 years a P.O. put a 5 
gallon Jerry can in a storage compartment in the V Berth and installed a Y 
valve after the macerator.  One side of the Y valve goes overboard the other 
goes to the Jerry can.  

 

I'd like to install a legitimate holding tank and I think the storage 
compartment on the Port side of the V berth is a good spot.

 

Here's my question...

 

The current opening to that storage compartment is very small, just barely fits 
the square 5 gallon jerry can.  Can I make that opening bigger without 
affecting the structural integrity of the boat?  I understand that I'll have to 
make the hatch sturdy so it won't fall through when you sleep in the v berth.  
There is a lot more to do, like install and plumb a pump out deck plate.  But 
the placement of the holding tank, and finding one seems to be the hardest part.

 

Thanks for your help,

 

Collin

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Stus-List AIS VHF

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while before we 
saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html
 


As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll be able 
to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested (Joel…   :^)

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

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On Oct 11, 2016 7:54 PM, "Collin Ferguson via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello, This is my first posting to this list.  I'm used to forums like on
> the Moyer site, so hopefully I'm doing this right.
>
> I have a 1974 C 30 MK1.  To my knowledge, it was built without a
> blackwater holding tank for the Head.  At some point over the last 40 years
> a P.O. put a 5 gallon Jerry can in a storage compartment in the V Berth and
> installed a Y valve after the macerator.  One side of the Y valve goes
> overboard the other goes to the Jerry can.
>
> I'd like to install a legitimate holding tank and I think the storage
> compartment on the Port side of the V berth is a good spot.
>
> Here's my question...
>
> The current opening to that storage compartment is very small, just barely
> fits the square 5 gallon jerry can.  Can I make that opening bigger without
> affecting the structural integrity of the boat?  I understand that I'll
> have to make the hatch sturdy so it won't fall through when you sleep in
> the v berth.  There is a lot more to do, like install and plumb a pump out
> deck plate.  But the placement of the holding tank, and finding one seems
> to be the hardest part.
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Collin
>
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