Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

>From SailboatData:

C 34/37R - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 21.16
C 34/37 XL - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 20.34
C 27 Mk.V - Sail Area/Disp.1: 20.37

So we're not very far behind you.  Keep looking over your shoulder...

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/



On 28 October 2016 at 18:00, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Was just looking at sail area to displacement ratio for C's on
> sailboatdata.com and was surprised to see that my little 27 mark v and
> the 34/37R have the highest SA/D of any C's built by the original company
> other than the SR models.  Jerry J C 27 MKV.
>
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Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

That's why we are still sailing when everyone else is motoring! :-)

Bill Bina


On 10/28/2016 5:00 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
Was just looking at sail area to displacement ratio for C's on 
sailboatdata.com  and was surprised to see 
that my little 27 mark v and the 34/37R have the highest SA/D of any 
C's built by the original company other than the SR models.  Jerry 
J C 27 MKV.





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Stus-List SA/D Ratio

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Was just looking at sail area to displacement ratio for C's on 
sailboatdata.com and was surprised to see that my little 27 mark v and the 
34/37R have the highest SA/D of any C's built by the original company other 
than the SR models.  Jerry J C 27 MKV. 


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Re: Stus-List Boat handling skill

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I have cleats on the forward end of my 1 1/4" track too.  The PO had one on and 
I got one for the other side. I use them all the time.

http://www.fisheriessupply.com/schaefer-marine-mid-rail-chock-and-cleat

I also use these along the rail for our fenders and forward to attach the 
preventer.

http://www.csjohnson.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info_id=27

Typoed from my iPhone

Tom Buscaglia
Alera 1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
O 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660
Skype - thombusc





Typoed from my iPhone

Tom Buscaglia
Alera 1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
O 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660
Skype - thombusc


On Oct 27, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Graham Young  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
> 
> Yes, that is a better solution.  Upon further review of a picture of the one 
> I saw on the S2 I referred to, it appeared to be a custom weld of a cleat 
> onto a metal base.
>  
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:23 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Graham
> 
> Like this? 
> http://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-marine-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
> 
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:26 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> 
>> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:18:07 + (UTC)
>> From: Graham Young 
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
>> Message-ID: <1892052474.252786.1477617487...@mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C for just this 
>> purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck. ?Was 
>> recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C's. ?The 
>> owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if 
>> you can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through the 
>> toerail. ?Had never seen a cleat with that kind of base before. ?It seemed 
>> like a nice solution.?Graham YoungS/V Spellbound1981 C 32
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

A Daisy AIS is $60 plus 25 for a NMEA 183 adapter. I use one with my
laptop.
Joel

On Friday, October 28, 2016, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sorry about that. You Canadians are much much more friendly!.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
> C 39 Erie
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Dave S via CnC-List  >
> Date: 10/27/16 13:00 (GMT-07:00)
> To: C Stus List  >
> Cc: Dave S  >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>
> I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore
> is Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the
> 35nm crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100
> years or more.
>
> A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets
> regularly stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the
> AIS presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential
> threat to national security.
>
> I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
> From: Josh Muckley  >
> To: "C List"  >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
> Message-ID:
>  ail.com
> 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
> like a nice setup.
>
> Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
> mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
> seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
> straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
> reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
> thought the big boat would see their AIS.
>
> I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
> which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
> transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
> transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
> from buying.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>


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Re: Stus-List Folding Prop won't open - prop size.

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Yup.  That's what I do.
Gary

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My surveyor pointed out that if you place a shaft zinc FORWARD of the
> cutlass bearing, coupler failure will NOT result in a big hole in your
> boat. I see them AFT all the time walking boatyards after haulout..
>
> Nate
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> You are lucky the shaft didn't exit the boat!
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>>
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 2 blade MaxProp which feathers rather than folds, but I also
>>> had a vibration problem. My mechanic suggested that the length of shaft
>>> from the strut to the prop was to long. He extended the key slot at the
>>> front of the shaft by about 2" and drilled new dimples for the set screws.
>>> It got rid of much of the vibration. Not all, but quite a lot.
>>> Unfortunately the coupling at the tranny was worn, and eventually the shaft
>>> slipped out prior to the start of a race. Was able to re-insert the shaft
>>> in the coupling with much grunting and groaning, but missed the race. Had
>>> to replace the coupling. Since then all's been good enough.
>>>
>>> Dan Sheer
>>> Pegathy - LF38
>>> Rock Creek off the Patapsco
>>>
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Sorry about that. You Canadians are much much more friendly!.


Bill Coleman C 39 Erie

 Original message 
From: Dave S via CnC-List  
Date: 10/27/16  13:00  (GMT-07:00) 
To: C Stus List  
Cc: Dave S  
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF 

I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore is 
Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the 35nm 
crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100 years or 
more.
A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets regularly 
stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the AIS 
presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential threat to 
national security.  
I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)
Dave


Message: 3
 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
 From: Josh Muckley 
 To: "C List" 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
 Message-ID:
         
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
 like a nice setup.

 Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
 mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
 seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
 straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
 reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
 thought the big boat would see their AIS.

 I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
 which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
 transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
 transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
 from buying.

 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 C 37+
 Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Folding Prop won't open - prop size.

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

My surveyor pointed out that if you place a shaft zinc FORWARD of the
cutlass bearing, coupler failure will NOT result in a big hole in your
boat. I see them AFT all the time walking boatyards after haulout..

Nate

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You are lucky the shaft didn't exit the boat!
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2 blade MaxProp which feathers rather than folds, but I also had
>> a vibration problem. My mechanic suggested that the length of shaft from
>> the strut to the prop was to long. He extended the key slot at the front of
>> the shaft by about 2" and drilled new dimples for the set screws. It got
>> rid of much of the vibration. Not all, but quite a lot. Unfortunately the
>> coupling at the tranny was worn, and eventually the shaft slipped out prior
>> to the start of a race. Was able to re-insert the shaft in the coupling
>> with much grunting and groaning, but missed the race. Had to replace the
>> coupling. Since then all's been good enough.
>>
>> Dan Sheer
>> Pegathy - LF38
>> Rock Creek off the Patapsco
>>
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Greg Sutherland via CnC-List]

Sent from my Samsung device over Bell's LTE network.


 Original message 
From: Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
Date: 10-28-2016 11:14 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Paul Fountain 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

We have these on Perception our 33-II, and my sister on her 30. Would not be 
with out them.

Get Outlook for iOS

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From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
To: >
Cc: Neil Gallagher >


http://www.csjohnson.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info_id=23

This conversation got me thinking the same thing, I need one of these.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 10/27/2016 9:18 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List wrote:
I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C for just this 
purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck.  Was 
recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C's.  The 
owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if you 
can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through the toerail.  Had 
never seen a cleat with that kind of base before.  It seemed like a nice 
solution.

Graham Young
S/V Spellbound
1981 C 32


On Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:51 PM, Stevan Plavsa via 
CnC-List wrote:


Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!

You guys don't actually sail C, do you?!!

(I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost as 
well for snugging up to the dock)

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via 
CnC-List> wrote:
"Short spring from amidships" is more properly called a breast line. And that 
is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72' schooner I captain into a 
dock (or a slip).

The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that you are a 
competent skipper, Joe.

I am often amused - and occasionally terrified - to watch the captains - even 
experienced captains of larger boats - who just seem to insist on approaching 
the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and then getting a bow line over.

I've tried to explain the process to I-don't-know-how-many small boat skippers 
over the past 4 years, but they just don't seem to grasp that once the breast 
line is attached to the dock (or a piling), you can use power to pull the boat 
snug to the dock and set fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power 
against the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any combination of 
wind and current.

Rick Brass


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc- 
list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with forward or 
reverse as needed.
I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.
Joe
Coquina



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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[robert via CnC-List]

Neil:

Thank youthat's exactly what I was talking about that's on my boat 
but couldn't think of the exact name.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-10-27 10:25 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List wrote:

http://www.csjohnson.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info_id=23

This conversation got me thinking the same thing, I need one of these.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 10/27/2016 9:18 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List wrote:
I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C for just 
this purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the 
deck.  Was recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a 
lot like C's.  The owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a 
sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if you can imagine it from that 
description) that was bolted through the toerail.  Had never seen a 
cleat with that kind of base before.  It seemed like a nice solution.

Graham Young
S/V Spellbound
1981 C 32


On Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:51 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:



Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!

You guys don't actually sail C, do you?!!

(I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works 
almost as well for snugging up to the dock)


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
> wrote:


“Short spring from amidships” is more properly called a breast
line. And that is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72’
schooner I captain into a dock (or a slip).
The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that
you are a competent skipper, Joe.
I am often amused – and occasionally terrified – to watch the
captains – even experienced captains of larger boats – who just
seem to insist on approaching the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and
then getting a bow line over.
I’ve tried to explain the process to I-don’t-know-how-many small
boat skippers over the past 4 years, but they just don’t seem to
grasp that once the breast line is attached to the dock (or a
piling), you can use power to pull the boat snug to the dock and
set fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power against
the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any combination
of wind and current.
Rick Brass
*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc- list.com
] *On Behalf Of *Della
Barba, Joe via CnC-List
*Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
*To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com '
>
*Cc:* Della Barba, Joe >
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with
forward or reverse as needed.
I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.
Joe
Coquina

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Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[robert via CnC-List]

Steven:

The previous owner of my boat put these SS 'things' (don't know the 
nautical name for them) midship on the toe rail(s) .they slide down 
over the toe rail and bolt to it.   It takes the place of a deck cleat. 
  A few other C's at our club have them and have their 'spring lines' 
on the dock pre length with SS 'things' (don't know the nautical name) 
that simply clip mid ship.


Simple, quick, slick!

Someone here will know what those SS 'things' are called.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-10-27 9:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:

Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!

You guys don't actually sail C, do you?!!

(I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works 
almost as well for snugging up to the dock)


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
> wrote:


“Short spring from amidships” is more properly called a breast
line. And that is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72’
schooner I captain into a dock (or a slip).

The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that
you are a competent skipper, Joe.

I am often amused – and occasionally terrified – to watch the
captains – even experienced captains of larger boats – who just
seem to insist on approaching the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and
then getting a bow line over.

I’ve tried to explain the process to I-don’t-know-how-many small
boat skippers over the past 4 years, but they just don’t seem to
grasp that once the breast line is attached to the dock (or a
piling), you can use power to pull the boat snug to the dock and
set fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power against
the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any combination
of wind and current.

Rick Brass

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
] *On Behalf Of *Della
Barba, Joe via CnC-List
*Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
*To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com '
>
*Cc:* Della Barba, Joe >
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with
forward or reverse as needed.

I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.

Joe

Coquina


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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I looked at this and initially thought there was an AIS solution for $164.  
Imagine my disappointment when I read on 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

§164.01   Applicability.

(a)   This part (except as specifically limited by this section) applies to 
each self-propelled vessel of 1600 or more gross tons (except as provided in 
paragraphs (c) and (d) of this section, or for foreign vessels described in 
§164.02) when it is operating in the navigable waters of the United States 
except the St. Lawrence Seaway.

There are a couple of exceptions for vessels in the St. Lawrence Seaway, but 
also a couple of requirements for vessels as small as 39 feet. But the bottom 
line is that most everyone who gets this email is exempt from this section of 
the CFRs.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - 
gmail via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 3:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Bina - gmail >
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF


6. When must AIS be in operation? Vessels equipped with AIS (either by 
mandatory carriage or voluntarily) must abide by the requirements set forth in 
33 CFR 
164.46(d) 
and should especially ensure their AIS is in properly installed, using an 
assigned MMSI, and, that its data is accessible from the primary conning 
position of the vessel. Also, that it be in 'effective operating condition', 
which entails the continuous operation of AIS and the accurate input and upkeep 
of all AIS data parameters (see USCG AIS Encoding 
Guide) during all times that 
the vessel is navigating (underway or at anchor), and, at least 15 minutes 
prior to unmooring, in U.S. navigable waters (as defined in 33 CFR 
2.36).
 Should continual operation of AIS compromise the safety or security of the 
vessel or where a security incident is imminent, the AIS may be switched off. 
This action and the reason for taking it must be reported to the nearest U.S. 
Captain of the 
Port
 or Vessel Traffic 
Center
 and recorded in the ship's logbook. The AIS should return to continuous 
operation as soon as the source of danger has been mitigated.

Bill Bina

On 10/27/2016 3:07 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
Your friend can turn off the transmitter either through software or a physical 
switch.  Commercial vessels will see you on radar, but with AIS they can hail 
you by name.  Other boaters with AIS can see you if you are transmitting.  
Sometimes it nice to be able to see a buddy on AIS and hail them.

Joel

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore is 
Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the 35nm 
crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100 years or 
more.

A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets regularly 
stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the AIS 
presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential threat to 
national security.

I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)

Dave



Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
From: Josh Muckley >
To: "C List" >
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
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It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
like a nice setup.

Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
thought the big boat would see their AIS.

I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
transmit my 

Re: Stus-List Boat handling skill / midship cleat

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Hi Lee,
 I've been teaching that for years!  We call it the "Magic
Spring Line".

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom & Graham, & all,
>
> Seems to me you don’t really need that clever midship cleat unless you are
> rafting up and not tying off on a shroud base.  We just drop a bowline over
> the winch, make a couple loops around the first dock cleat and the boat
> parallel parks beautifully.  if you have any kind of headwind or current
> leave the boat in gear or balance with power.  Check it out at the dock
> before you leave next time.  You will likely find the winch will hold your
> boat to the dock better than a midship line, plus it will allow you to stop
> the boat, before the bow hits the dock - if you get it secured to the first
> cleat. Hand holding the line, falling over kayaks on the dock, etc don’t
> work.
>
> One-line docking is so easy, you can walk around, fix a bow line, forward
> spring, stern line, whatever and then kill the engine.  I’m a broker,
> scared and respectful of others pricey boats, and often have to move boats
> that I really don’t know.  Docking with one line is such a good trick, I’m
> surprised they don’t teach it, I always do.
>
> Now spinning the unknown boat, backing into the slings, and then
> discovering they want you to remove the backstay and toping lift, to be
> able to haul the boat.  Well that’s another story. . .
>
> Cheers, Lee
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Graham
>
> Like this? http://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-
> marine-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:26 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:18:07 + (UTC)
> From: Graham Young 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
> Message-ID: <1892052474.252786.1477617487...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C for just this
> purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck. ?Was
> recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C's.
> ?The owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged
> base (if you can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through
> the toerail. ?Had never seen a cleat with that kind of base before. ?It
> seemed like a nice solution.?Graham YoungS/V Spellbound1981 C 32
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

We have these on Perception our 33-II, and my sister on her 30. Would not be 
with out them.

Get Outlook for iOS

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From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
To: >
Cc: Neil Gallagher >


http://www.csjohnson.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info_id=23

This conversation got me thinking the same thing, I need one of these.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 10/27/2016 9:18 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List wrote:
I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C for just this 
purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck.  Was 
recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C's.  The 
owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if you 
can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through the toerail.  Had 
never seen a cleat with that kind of base before.  It seemed like a nice 
solution.

Graham Young
S/V Spellbound
1981 C 32


On Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:51 PM, Stevan Plavsa via 
CnC-List wrote:


Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!

You guys don't actually sail C, do you?!!

(I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost as 
well for snugging up to the dock)

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via 
CnC-List> wrote:
"Short spring from amidships" is more properly called a breast line. And that 
is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72' schooner I captain into a 
dock (or a slip).

The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that you are a 
competent skipper, Joe.

I am often amused - and occasionally terrified - to watch the captains - even 
experienced captains of larger boats - who just seem to insist on approaching 
the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and then getting a bow line over.

I've tried to explain the process to I-don't-know-how-many small boat skippers 
over the past 4 years, but they just don't seem to grasp that once the breast 
line is attached to the dock (or a piling), you can use power to pull the boat 
snug to the dock and set fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power 
against the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any combination of 
wind and current.

Rick Brass


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc- 
list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with forward or 
reverse as needed.
I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.
Joe
Coquina



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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

(d) /Operations/. The requirements in this paragraph are applicable to 
any vessel equipped with AIS. :-)




(d) /Operations/. The requirements in this paragraph are applicable to 
any vessel equipped with AIS.


(1) Use of AIS does not relieve the vessel of the requirements to 
sound whistle signals or display lights or shapes in accordance with the 
International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1972 (72 
COLREGS 
), 
28 U.S.T. 3459, T.I.A.S. 8587, or Inland Navigation Rules, 33 CFR part 
83 
; 
nor of the radio requirements of the Vessel Bridge-to-Bridge 
Radiotelephone Act, 33 U.S.C. 1201-1208 
, 
part 26 
 
of this chapter, and 47 CFR part 80 
.


 (2) AIS must be maintained in effective operating condition, which 
includes--


(i) The ability to reinitialize the AIS, which requires access to and 
knowledge of the AIS power source and password;


(ii) The ability to access AIS information from the primary conning 
position of the vessel;


(iii) The accurate broadcast of a properly assigned Maritime Mobile 
Service Identity (MMSI ) 
number;


(iv) The accurate input and upkeep of all AIS data fields and system 
updates; and


(v) For those vessels denoted in paragraph (b) of this section, the 
continual operation of AIS and its associated devices (e.g., positioning 
system, gyro, converters, displays) at all times while the vessel is 
underway or at anchor, and, if moored, at least 15 minutes prior to 
getting underway; except when its operation would compromise the safety 
or security of the vessel or a security incident is imminent. The AIS 
should be returned to continuous operation as soon as the compromise has 
been mitigated or the security incident has passed. The time and reason 
for the silent period should be recorded in the ship's official log and 
reported to the nearest Captain of the Port 
 
or Vessel Traffic Center (VTC) 
.


Bill Bina


On 10/27/2016 7:58 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:


*§164.01   Applicability.*

(a)This part (except as specifically limited by this section) applies 
to each self-propelled vessel of *1600 or more gross tons* (except as 
provided in paragraphs (c) and (d) of this section, or for foreign 
vessels described in §164.02) when it is operating in the navigable 
waters of the United States except the St. Lawrence Seaway.


There are a couple of exceptions for vessels in the St. Lawrence 
Seaway, but also a couple of requirements for vessels as small as 39 
feet. But the bottom line is that most everyone who gets this email is 
exempt from this section of the CFRs.


Rick Brass

Washington, NC




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