Re: Stus-List Best new tablet for nav/general use

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

I am not offering my opinion either way, but all of the delivery skippers
I've met of late rely exclusively on their personal tablets rather than
owners electronics for a number of reasons. They trust them far offshore.

A ruggedized watertight case is mandatory and, as with anything electronic,
a back up of course.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016, 7:28 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I do not believe that a tablet of any kind is a good enough navigation
> instrument (I have a Garmin 720 and I trust it much more (I can see the
> screen in full sunlight without problems, it is completely waterproof and I
> can operate it with keys (not touch)), but I find that if you want a tablet
> for anything you are much better off with a low cost ( I don't necessarily
> mean cheap) tablet that you can use as disposable. I had very good success
> with a Dell Venue Pro (Windows), an Acer (also Windows) and an ASUS Android
> one. I also find that the 7-8 inch tablets are much less prone to
> shattering
> problems (they are simply much easier to handle and they have a size that
> is
> much better for keeping in one's hand). The cost can be as low as just
> around $100 (8" Android) or around $200 for an 8" Windows. For that money
> you can break 3 and buy the 4th and you just come about to the cost of the
> Surface Pro or worse yet to the cost of a cheap iPad.
>
> None of the generally available tablets is waterproof or even hardened, so
> I
> would not use it in the cockpit where it might be subjected to water
> damage.
>
>
> If you want a keyboard, you can easily buy a BT keyboard for under $30. Add
> 410 more an you have a complete system with a carrying case and keyboard.
>
> I have a Surface at work and I don't find the screen any better than 1/4
> price Dell Venue (or even 1/10 price Acer). It is only bigger. True, the
> case is metal, but if you drop it a few times on the ground, the screen
> will
> break.
>
> A word of caution: If you buy a Windows tablet, spend more and get a 64 GB
> version (or bigger). With 32 GB you will have a major juggling task if you
> need to make a major system upgrade. This unfortunately means that the
> majority of tablets that are available on sale are out.
>
> Marek
> 2015 8" Dell Venue Pro (Win 10)
> 2012 7" Asus (Android)
> 2014 8" Acer Iconia (Android)
> Ottawa, ON
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
> Doyle via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 17:40
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle 
> Subject: Stus-List Best new tablet for nav/general use
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a Garmin GPSmap 740 chartplotter and a Garmin radar, but I am
> looking
> to buy a tablet computer (possibly a Microsoft surface or an iPad) to
> supplement the Garmin unit as an electronic chartplotter (running navionics
> and raster charts) as well as just being my general computer - for writing
> emails, web browsing, and using Microsoft word.
>
> I was looking hard at the Microsoft surface because it comes with a
> keyboard, however it does not have an internal GPS receiver.   I'm sure
> they
> make USB GPS receivers though.
>
> My requirements are:  a good keyboard, a touch screen, GPS (for running nav
> apps) and it needs to be sturdy tough enough to hold up reasonably well on
> a
> boat.  I have destroyed two iPads (the screens shattered) by traveling with
> them and being a tad clumsy, so i don't trust myself with iPads anymore...
> I'm looking for something hardier.
>
> Would love to hear what people out there are using on their boats.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Radar mount

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I made a radar pole assembly for our boat, it should be stowable with not
too much trouble.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/g6zpRyQ-HiwW3_RSBOHt-xENdZBlN_wlHXSpnXbo5g8zTDj1v8BjnYGJgjFofbHVyOP0HK9USeknQw=w2400-h1350-no

It also may fall down without too much trouble. No guarantees. I can put up
an Instructables if it helps.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 31 October 2016 at 11:40, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
wrote:

> A question to this list about mounting a radar
>
>
>
> I recently stumbled into a situation where a 5 year old Garmin radome that
> was the exact correct model for our Garmin GPSMAP 740 chartplotter became
> available for just under $500.  Given this great price and our recent night
> trip up the coast in heavy fog we decided we should snatch this up.
>
>
>
> We like to be able to do a bit of cruising on our boat but we also like to
> do some racing.  As with all the other cruisy stuff (dodger, bimini, etc) I
> like the option of being able to install it only for a cruise and leave it
> home the rest of the time.  I do not wish to have the radome mounted on the
> mast for this reason (and the wear and other issues on the jib).  Was
> thinking of either a backstay mounted solution or a removable radar pole at
> the stern.  Something like the Scanstrut SC100 series.  The issue I have
> found is that the backstay mount and removable pole mounts are extremely
> expensive and we are not even certain how much we will use this.
>
>
>
> Any advice from others on this list or knowledge of a used pole or perhaps
> info on how to manufacture my own?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> HAlifax
>
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Stus-List Force on the midship cleat

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

I'm keen on these toe rail midship cleats that CnCers have been
recommending and thinking of ordering some:

http://www.csjohnson.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info_id=23

They're rated for a load of 2,000lb.  Assuming my 10,000 displacement C
is on a nylon spring line (with rubber snubbers) tied to this in a 40kn
wind, will the cleat hold?

Thanks,
  Jeremy
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Re: Stus-List VMG at the helm.

[RANDY via CnC-List]

The SailTimer guys have additional arguments against VMG: 
http://sailtimerapp.com/VMG.html . Racers want to sail the route that will 
require the least time to get to the next mark or finish line. The problem is 
that the "least time route" depends on complex and dynamic variables like a 
boat's polars, the current wind angle and speed relative to the angle to the 
next mark or line, maybe even the direction and speed of any current in the 
water, etc. So a VMG calculated using simple geometry is too simplistic for the 
complex realities. Maybe some people mean "least time route" when they say 
"VMG", even though they are not the same thing according to that SailTimer web 
page and article linked from it. SailTimer's arguments make sense to me, but I 
don't know how sophisticated other electronics systems out there may be. The 
SailTimer app updates its "optimal tacking route" based on current wind data 
from the SailTimer wind instrument. I've yet to use it in a race to tell me 
when to tack, but the idea is interesting. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 
(on the hard for winter) 

- Original Message -

From: "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Jerome Tauber"  
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:35:42 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List VMG at the helm. 

Why no VMG? 


Velocitek created the world's first GPS-based VMG tool back in 2006. VMG was 
also a prominent feature on the Velocitek SC-1, the ProStart’s direct 
predecessor. When several other companies around the world tried to copy the 
SC-1’s success they also included a VMG feature on their products. Velocitek’s 
tag line even used to be “Velocity. Made Good.” 

The reason why we decided to drop VMG as a feature on the ProStart is that we 
couldn't find any professional sailors who used this feature while racing. The 
main reason the pros don't like to look at VMG when they are racing is that the 
boat's momentum makes it difficult to use these measurements to find an optimal 
heading. 

As an example, imagine this: 

You are on a broad reach and then you decide to try pointing lower. Initially 
your speed will not change very much because of your boat's momentum. The 
indicated VMG will jump up (same speed as before, better angle). You are happy; 
the instrument seems to be telling you that soaking low was a good idea. 

As you hold your course steady at this new angle, your speed will eventually 
drop and, as you are falling off a plane, the instrument will finally come 
around to telling you the truth: this new, deeper angle was, in fact, a very 
bad idea. 


The trouble is that by now you are losing boats like crazy and you're going to 
have to head way up to get planing again; the damage is done. 




The above notwithstanding, these measurements can be useful for training, 
especially when you don't have other boats to sail against. A GPS VMG 
instrument can help you figure out what the optimal settings and angles are for 
your boat in different conditions. It's just that these things need to be 
figured out before you are actually racing. 

Our goal with the ProStart was to make an extremely easy to use instrument that 
only incorporated the features that pro sailors use when they are racing. There 
is definitely a good justification for selling a VMG product as a training tool 
but the feature did not fit with our brief for the ProStart. 

One product that is still on the market and does VMG calculation is the Rockbox 
by Rock City Marine. You can check out their website here: 
http://www.rockcitymarine.com 
Sent from my iPhone 

On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:02 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> wrote: 




good luck with that...you won't be fast that way; sorry 
Dwight Veinot 
C 35 MKII, Alianna 
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 
d.ve...@bellaliant.net 



On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
< cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 


Hey all; 









Although I have VMG (or at least its approximate equivalent) available from 




my Garmin 746 Chart plotter and can display it on one of my 4 Garmin 




displays above the companionway, I find it difficult to see it with crew in 




the cockpit and I don't like putting my head into the boat looking down at 




the chart-plotter mounted above the binnacle while I am trying my best to go 




hard on the wind. 









OK-OK--I know this hardly qualifies as a serious problem!! 









Nonetheless, I am looking for the simplest solution that allows me to see 




the VMG either on my iphone (hard to read with sunglasses on), or a 'smart 




watch' which may have the same problem. I realize I could use another 




battery powered GPS but I would need to mount it and operate it while trying 




to get my head in to the race at the same time. 









Ideally glasses with a heads-up display of it would have it in front of me 




no 

Re: Stus-List Best new tablet for nav/general use

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I do not believe that a tablet of any kind is a good enough navigation
instrument (I have a Garmin 720 and I trust it much more (I can see the
screen in full sunlight without problems, it is completely waterproof and I
can operate it with keys (not touch)), but I find that if you want a tablet
for anything you are much better off with a low cost ( I don't necessarily
mean cheap) tablet that you can use as disposable. I had very good success
with a Dell Venue Pro (Windows), an Acer (also Windows) and an ASUS Android
one. I also find that the 7-8 inch tablets are much less prone to shattering
problems (they are simply much easier to handle and they have a size that is
much better for keeping in one's hand). The cost can be as low as just
around $100 (8" Android) or around $200 for an 8" Windows. For that money
you can break 3 and buy the 4th and you just come about to the cost of the
Surface Pro or worse yet to the cost of a cheap iPad.

None of the generally available tablets is waterproof or even hardened, so I
would not use it in the cockpit where it might be subjected to water damage.


If you want a keyboard, you can easily buy a BT keyboard for under $30. Add
410 more an you have a complete system with a carrying case and keyboard.

I have a Surface at work and I don't find the screen any better than 1/4
price Dell Venue (or even 1/10 price Acer). It is only bigger. True, the
case is metal, but if you drop it a few times on the ground, the screen will
break.

A word of caution: If you buy a Windows tablet, spend more and get a 64 GB
version (or bigger). With 32 GB you will have a major juggling task if you
need to make a major system upgrade. This unfortunately means that the
majority of tablets that are available on sale are out.

Marek
2015 8" Dell Venue Pro (Win 10)
2012 7" Asus (Android)
2014 8" Acer Iconia (Android)
Ottawa, ON

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Doyle via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 17:40
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle 
Subject: Stus-List Best new tablet for nav/general use

Hi all,

I have a Garmin GPSmap 740 chartplotter and a Garmin radar, but I am looking
to buy a tablet computer (possibly a Microsoft surface or an iPad) to
supplement the Garmin unit as an electronic chartplotter (running navionics
and raster charts) as well as just being my general computer - for writing
emails, web browsing, and using Microsoft word.

I was looking hard at the Microsoft surface because it comes with a
keyboard, however it does not have an internal GPS receiver.   I'm sure they
make USB GPS receivers though.

My requirements are:  a good keyboard, a touch screen, GPS (for running nav
apps) and it needs to be sturdy tough enough to hold up reasonably well on a
boat.  I have destroyed two iPads (the screens shattered) by traveling with
them and being a tad clumsy, so i don't trust myself with iPads anymore...
I'm looking for something hardier.

Would love to hear what people out there are using on their boats.

Thanks in advance,
Ryan 

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List VMG at the helm.

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Why no VMG?
Velocitek created the world's first GPS-based VMG tool back in 2006. VMG was 
also a prominent feature on the Velocitek SC-1, the ProStart’s direct 
predecessor. When several other companies around the world tried to copy the 
SC-1’s success they also included a VMG feature on their products. Velocitek’s 
tag line even used to be “Velocity. Made Good.”

The reason why we decided to drop VMG as a feature on the ProStart is that we 
couldn't find any professional sailors who used this feature while racing. The 
main reason the pros don't like to look at VMG when they are racing is that the 
boat's momentum makes it difficult to use these measurements to find an optimal 
heading.

As an example, imagine this: 

You are on a broad reach and then you decide to try pointing lower. Initially 
your speed will not change very much because of your boat's momentum. The 
indicated VMG will jump up (same speed as before, better angle). You are happy; 
the instrument seems to be telling you that soaking low was a good idea.

As you hold your course steady at this new angle, your speed will eventually 
drop and, as you are falling off a plane, the instrument will finally come 
around to telling you the truth: this new, deeper angle was, in fact, a very 
bad idea. 

The trouble is that by now you are losing boats like crazy and you're going to 
have to head way up to get planing again; the damage is done.
The above notwithstanding, these measurements can be useful for training, 
especially when you don't have other boats to sail against. A GPS VMG 
instrument can help you figure out what the optimal settings and angles are for 
your boat in different conditions. It's just that these things need to be 
figured out before you are actually racing.

Our goal with the ProStart was to make an extremely easy to use instrument that 
only incorporated the features that pro sailors use when they are racing. There 
is definitely a good justification for selling a VMG product as a training tool 
but the feature did not fit with our brief for the ProStart.

One product that is still on the market and does VMG calculation is the Rockbox 
by Rock City Marine. You can check out their website here: 
http://www.rockcitymarine.com


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:02 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> good luck with that...you won't be fast that way; sorry
> Dwight Veinot
> C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
>  wrote:
>> Hey all;
>> 
>> Although I have VMG (or at least its approximate equivalent) available from
>> my Garmin 746 Chart plotter and can display it on one of my 4 Garmin
>> displays above the companionway, I find it difficult to see it with crew in
>> the cockpit and I don't like putting my head into the boat looking down at
>> the chart-plotter mounted above the binnacle while I am trying my best to go
>> hard on the wind.
>> 
>> OK-OK--I know this hardly qualifies as a serious problem!!
>> 
>> Nonetheless, I am looking for the simplest solution that allows me to see
>> the VMG either on my iphone (hard to read with sunglasses on), or a 'smart
>> watch' which may have the same problem. I realize I could use another
>> battery powered GPS but I would need to mount it and operate it while trying
>> to get my head in to the race at the same time.
>> 
>> Ideally glasses with a heads-up display of it would have it in front of me
>> no matter what else was going on.
>> 
>> Any listers have solutions or ideas? My simpleminded thought is to put the
>> RC or starting line in as a MOB mark and then use either the largest
>> negative VMG upwind from it to guide me at the helm and the largest positive
>> VMG downwind from it find the best AWA. This would likely give me the best
>> course to steer no matter how true the course is to windward.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Charlie Nelson
>> Water Phantom
>> C 36 XL/kcb 1995
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> cenel...@aol.com
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

The first C 30 was a great race boat--in heavy air especially-- when it came 
out. The new 30s are pretty spectacular boats-- and pretty robust, too--this is 
a boat you can take on overnight races if you're so inclined. The Tim Jacket 
C followed the tradition of the marque as well built and successful 
racer/cruisers...good-looking, too. My Rob Ball designed C 40 Peregrine is 
nothing like the C Crusader 40s of a decade earlier. 
My point is that they are all C We're a pretty inclusive bunch.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 14:03, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Agree.
> The “New C” has no relation to the old at all other than the name. There 
> was a thread connecting the newest and the oldest C all through the 
> various bankruptcies and re-orgs, but this is a new wavy logo and boats that 
> had no relationship at all to any previous C I guess the other choice was 
> no C, so this is still better and I got a ton of clothes with the old 
> straight line logo for cheap J
> Joe
> Coquina
> A real real old ancient senior citizen C 35 MK I
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
> Gilchrest via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 13:37
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio
>  
> Ron,
> Essentially, Ford still has a member of the Ford family at the helm of a 
> company that has “evolved” as automotive and transportation designs have 
> become modernized.  If Hyundai was to “buy” the brand name “Pontiac” and 
> renamed the Hyundai Elantra a “GTO” or “Firebird”, would it be a Pontiac or a 
> Hyundai?   I submit that it would still be a Hyundai. 
> The C Brand today exists only as a marketing tool for the founders of the 
> now defunct Summit Yachts and whilst the current C 30 has found a niche in 
> the “mini-GP” owner-driver market, it has far more DNA with previous Mark 
> Mills IRC  Summit Yachts designs than any boats ever built in Niagara on the 
> Lake.
> It will be interesting to see if the current C 30 holds its value and has 
> the same desirability of the C Yachts that we associate with the brand.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 Landfall 35
> Padanaram, MA
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. 
> Frerker via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 11:50 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio
>  
> Designers change, methods change even at the same company (Ford no longer 
> makes model T's); as long as it's the same company banner with the same level 
> of excellence and commitment to quality, it's a C  Evolution can be a good 
> thing.
> I would love to have the newest 30 to race with!
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
>  
>  
> 
> From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Jerome Tauber 
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio
>  
> Not the original C  Those are epoxy hull with carbon mast built by 
> Fairport Yachts.Jerry 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> What about the C 115?  24.19
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 7:20 PM
> To: cnc-list
> Cc: Ken Heaton
> Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio
>  
> From SailboatData:
>  
> C 34/37R - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 21.16
> C 34/37 XL - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 20.34
> C 27 Mk.V - Sail Area/Disp.1: 20.37
>  
> So we're not very far behind you.  Keep looking over your shoulder...
>  
> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
> C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
>  
> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/
>  
>  
>  
> On 28 October 2016 at 18:00, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Was just looking at sail area to displacement ratio for C's on 
> sailboatdata.com and was surprised to see that my little 27 mark v and the 
> 34/37R have the highest SA/D of any C's built by the original company other 
> than the SR models.  Jerry J C 27 MKV. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List VMG at the helm.

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

good luck with that...you won't be fast that way; sorry
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
 wrote:
> Hey all;
>
> Although I have VMG (or at least its approximate equivalent) available from
> my Garmin 746 Chart plotter and can display it on one of my 4 Garmin
> displays above the companionway, I find it difficult to see it with crew in
> the cockpit and I don't like putting my head into the boat looking down at
> the chart-plotter mounted above the binnacle while I am trying my best to go
> hard on the wind.
>
> OK-OK--I know this hardly qualifies as a serious problem!!
>
> Nonetheless, I am looking for the simplest solution that allows me to see
> the VMG either on my iphone (hard to read with sunglasses on), or a 'smart
> watch' which may have the same problem. I realize I could use another
> battery powered GPS but I would need to mount it and operate it while trying
> to get my head in to the race at the same time.
>
> Ideally glasses with a heads-up display of it would have it in front of me
> no matter what else was going on.
>
> Any listers have solutions or ideas? My simpleminded thought is to put the
> RC or starting line in as a MOB mark and then use either the largest
> negative VMG upwind from it to guide me at the helm and the largest positive
> VMG downwind from it find the best AWA. This would likely give me the best
> course to steer no matter how true the course is to windward.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> C 36 XL/kcb 1995
>
>
>
> cenel...@aol.com
>
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Re: Stus-List Radar Mount

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Thanks!
have received good old boat for years but never keep them after a couple 
months. Have ordered this back issue aspdf

Mike
Persistence

From: Tortuga [tortugas...@gmail.com]
Sent: October 31, 2016 5:06 PM
To: Hoyt, Mike; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: re: Radar Mount

Hi Mike
The May/June 2011 issue of Good Old Boat has an article by Danny Saathoff 
called Radar on the Level: about a home-made stern-mounted radar mount he built.

Derek Kennedy
SV Tortuga, C 30 mk1
Ballantynes Cove, NS

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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The loops are double thick and then folded over so 4.  I wouldn't count on
them being 4x as strong but...

On Oct 31, 2016 4:57 PM, "Leslie Paal via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> it only doubles the fibers   ;-)
>
> Leslie.
>
> 
> On Thu, 10/27/16, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>  Cc: "Josh Muckley" 
>  Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:47 PM
>
>  Funny you should mention
>  a midships cleat.  My wife has been begging me for a
>  midships cleat/solution of some sort.  I finally had some
>  time and made some amsteel loops that I luggage tagged onto
>  the toe rail at the midships position.  I tie my mooring
>  line to it with a sheet bend.  The amsteel is rated at
>  ~9000 pounds and the loop doubled over quadruples the number
>  of fibers carrying the load so I feel very confident that
>  the loop is not the weak point in the system.  When I'm
>  done using the loops  they just live there on the rail
>  until next time.
>  Josh
>  MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C
>  37+Solomons, MD
>
>  On Thu, Oct 27,
>  2016, 8:51 PM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  Mid ship cleat?
>  What's that?!!
>  You guys don't actually
>  sail C, do you?!!
>  (I use the primary winch as a
>  spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost as
>  well for snugging up to the dock)
>  SteveSuhana, C 32Toronto
>
>
>  On
>  Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>  wrote:
>  “Short spring from amidships”
>  is more properly called a breast line. And that is ALWAYS
>  the first line over when I bring the 72’ schooner I
>  captain into a dock (or a slip). The
>  fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that
>  you are a competent skipper, Joe.  I
>  am often amused – and occasionally terrified – to watch
>  the captains – even experienced captains of larger boats
>  – who just seem to insist on approaching the dock from 45
>  to 90 degrees, and then getting a bow line over. I’ve tried to explain the
>  process to I-don’t-know-how-many small boat skippers over
>  the past 4 years, but they just don’t seem to grasp that
>  once the breast line is attached to the dock (or a piling),
>  you can use power to pull the boat snug to the dock and set
>  fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power against
>  the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any
>  combination of wind and current.  Rick Brass  From:
>  CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
>  On Behalf Of Della
>  Barba, Joe via CnC-List
>  Sent: Thursday, October
>  27, 2016 4:52 PM
>  To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
>  
>  Cc: Della Barba, Joe
>  
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List
>  Boat Handling Skill Use
>  a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with
>  forward or reverse as needed.  I
>  use this with great effect when parallel parking
>  singlehanded.JoeCoquina
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Re: Stus-List Last sail

[John Sandford via CnC-List]

I was out yesterday. From Masons point to Horseshoe and back. Beam reach
both ways, tacked once. Beautiful day, steady 15-20.

Trying to get another couple of weekends before I haul. 

Just got to get out before Shining waters shut down. That's always a good
plan.

John

LF38 Noname - PlanB

 

From: amira...@bellaliant.net [mailto:amira...@bellaliant.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Last sail

 

Had my last sail yesterday too, from SMSC to Shining Waters.  Not sure if I
was the boat that passed you or not, I do have the original C emblem and
sail # 73. We arrived approx 4pm.

 

Mike Amirault

C  sail # 73 Lovely Cruise

SMSC

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Stus-List Best new tablet for nav/general use

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hi all,

I have a Garmin GPSmap 740 chartplotter and a Garmin radar, but I am looking to 
buy a tablet computer (possibly a Microsoft surface or an iPad) to supplement 
the Garmin unit as an electronic chartplotter (running navionics and raster 
charts) as well as just being my general computer - for writing emails, web 
browsing, and using Microsoft word.

I was looking hard at the Microsoft surface because it comes with a keyboard, 
however it does not have an internal GPS receiver.   I'm sure they make USB GPS 
receivers though.

My requirements are:  a good keyboard, a touch screen, GPS (for running nav 
apps) and it needs to be sturdy tough enough to hold up reasonably well on a 
boat.  I have destroyed two iPads (the screens shattered) by traveling with 
them and being a tad clumsy, so i don't trust myself with iPads anymore...  I'm 
looking for something hardier.

Would love to hear what people out there are using on their boats.

Thanks in advance,
Ryan 

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And you know why -- Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 129, Issue 116

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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

it only doubles the fibers   ;-)

Leslie.


On Thu, 10/27/16, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: "Josh Muckley" 
 Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:47 PM
 
 Funny you should mention
 a midships cleat.  My wife has been begging me for a
 midships cleat/solution of some sort.  I finally had some
 time and made some amsteel loops that I luggage tagged onto
 the toe rail at the midships position.  I tie my mooring
 line to it with a sheet bend.  The amsteel is rated at
 ~9000 pounds and the loop doubled over quadruples the number
 of fibers carrying the load so I feel very confident that
 the loop is not the weak point in the system.  When I'm
 done using the loops  they just live there on the rail
 until next time.
 Josh
 MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C
 37+Solomons, MD
 
 On Thu, Oct 27,
 2016, 8:51 PM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 Mid ship cleat?
 What's that?!!
 You guys don't actually
 sail C, do you?!!
 (I use the primary winch as a
 spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost as
 well for snugging up to the dock)
 SteveSuhana, C 32Toronto
 
 
 On
 Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 “Short spring from amidships”
 is more properly called a breast line. And that is ALWAYS
 the first line over when I bring the 72’ schooner I
 captain into a dock (or a slip). The
 fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that
 you are a competent skipper, Joe.  I
 am often amused – and occasionally terrified – to watch
 the captains – even experienced captains of larger boats
 – who just seem to insist on approaching the dock from 45
 to 90 degrees, and then getting a bow line over. I’ve tried to explain the
 process to I-don’t-know-how-many small boat skippers over
 the past 4 years, but they just don’t seem to grasp that
 once the breast line is attached to the dock (or a piling),
 you can use power to pull the boat snug to the dock and set
 fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power against
 the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any
 combination of wind and current.  Rick Brass  From:
 CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of Della
 Barba, Joe via CnC-List
 Sent: Thursday, October
 27, 2016 4:52 PM
 To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
 
 Cc: Della Barba, Joe
 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List
 Boat Handling Skill Use
 a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with
 forward or reverse as needed.  I
 use this with great effect when parallel parking
 singlehanded.JoeCoquina  
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Re: Stus-List VMG at the helm.

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

As helmsman, you should be concentrating on driving the boat.  Let your
crew check VMG for you.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey all;
>
> Although I have VMG (or at least its approximate equivalent) available
> from my Garmin 746 Chart plotter and can display it on one of my 4 Garmin
> displays above the companionway, I find it difficult to see it with crew in
> the cockpit and I don't like putting my head into the boat looking down at
> the chart-plotter mounted above the binnacle while I am trying my best to
> go hard on the wind.
>
> OK-OK--I know this hardly qualifies as a serious problem!!
>
> Nonetheless, I am looking for the simplest solution that allows me to see
> the VMG either on my iphone (hard to read with sunglasses on), or a 'smart
> watch' which may have the same problem. I realize I could use
> another battery powered GPS but I would need to mount it and operate it
> while trying to get my head in to the race at the same time.
>
> Ideally glasses with a heads-up display of it would have it in front of me
> no matter what else was going on.
>
> Any listers have solutions or ideas? My simpleminded thought is to put the
> RC or starting line in as a MOB mark and then use either the
> largest negative VMG upwind from it to guide me at the helm and the
> largest positive VMG downwind from it find the best AWA. This would likely
> give me the best course to steer no matter how true the course is to
> windward.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> C 36 XL/kcb 1995
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Radar Mount

[Tortuga via CnC-List]

Hi Mike
The May/June 2011 issue of Good Old Boat has an article by Danny Saathoff
called Radar on the Level: about a home-made stern-mounted radar mount he
built.

Derek Kennedy
SV Tortuga, C 30 mk1
Ballantynes Cove, NS
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Re: Stus-List C a C??

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

I wish sailing season was as long as the election season.  We'd all be much
happier..

Chuck Gilchrest

1983 Landfall 35

C Marque

Rob Ball  Design

C Rhode Island built 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry
Hallgring via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Harry Hallgring 
Subject: Stus-List C a C??

 

I can't wait until this embarrassing divisive presidential election season
is over.  it seems to be affecting all of us:)

 

Harry

MIRAGE

1985 Northeast 39

C marque

Rob  Ball design

Bruckmann Yachts

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Re: Stus-List C a C??

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

My point was simply that the 27-5 and 34/37 R models have the highest SA/D of 
the original C  The Fairport Marine and US Watercraft C have higher 
SA/D.  Not saying they are not C  They are very nice boats and in the C 
tradition.  Jerry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List 
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> 
> I can't wait until this embarrassing divisive presidential election season is 
> over.  it seems to be affecting all of us:)
> 
> Harry
> MIRAGE
> 1985 Northeast 39
> C marque
> Rob  Ball design
> Bruckmann Yachts
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 129, Issue 116

[paul.hood via CnC-List]

I was out Saturday on georgian bay with 20knot winds gusting get to over 25 and 
water temps of 9 celcius.  sure is cooling quick .  Air was 11c.  First day for 
myself to solo.  Boat is coming out today.


Paul HoodC 34 '82

From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Last sail
Message-ID:
<08d5b7f01237404e8cf6264fa26cc...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

There were 2 or 3 years I did not winterize and just kept the cabin heat on. 
That is OK until a blizzard + power outage happens, then you get to winterize 
real quick in crap conditions.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of bushmark4--- 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:05
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bushma...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Last sail

I had the opportunity to go out yesterday...temp in low 80s; with 8-10 mph 
breezes; gusts to 15-16; my first sail since knee surgery about a moth or so 
ago..its was a revelation how quickly the boat gets up to speed and the motion 
through the waves...man it was great! I'm not winterizing until I absolutely 
have to!

Richard
S/V Bushmark4; C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596.5;

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
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Re: Stus-List Last sail

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

This was a great fall weekend on the Chesapeake.  Breezy out of the NW
Saturday, Southerly and warm yesterday.
My wife is due the Bay Bridge run Sunday.  She did it 2 years ago.  When
she signed up in August I though it would be cool if I sailed along as she
ran the bridge.  It was one of the coldest days of my life.
I get to relive that experience this Sunday.
We have company coming in for Thanksgiving.  They live near Bayfield WI.
They want to go for a sail while they are here enjoying the 'warmth'.
After that, the boats gets hauled for some overdue TLC.

Joel
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Re: Stus-List VMG at the helm.

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Charlie,

IRegatta on your iPhone is cheap and works well.

Joel

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey all;
>
> Although I have VMG (or at least its approximate equivalent) available
> from my Garmin 746 Chart plotter and can display it on one of my 4 Garmin
> displays above the companionway, I find it difficult to see it with crew in
> the cockpit and I don't like putting my head into the boat looking down at
> the chart-plotter mounted above the binnacle while I am trying my best to
> go hard on the wind.
>
> OK-OK--I know this hardly qualifies as a serious problem!!
>
> Nonetheless, I am looking for the simplest solution that allows me to see
> the VMG either on my iphone (hard to read with sunglasses on), or a 'smart
> watch' which may have the same problem. I realize I could use
> another battery powered GPS but I would need to mount it and operate it
> while trying to get my head in to the race at the same time.
>
> Ideally glasses with a heads-up display of it would have it in front of me
> no matter what else was going on.
>
> Any listers have solutions or ideas? My simpleminded thought is to put the
> RC or starting line in as a MOB mark and then use either the
> largest negative VMG upwind from it to guide me at the helm and the
> largest positive VMG downwind from it find the best AWA. This would likely
> give me the best course to steer no matter how true the course is to
> windward.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> C 36 XL/kcb 1995
>
>
>
> cenel...@aol.com
>
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Re: Stus-List Last sail

[mike amirault via CnC-List]

Had my last sail yesterday too, from SMSC to Shining Waters.  Not sure if I was 
the boat that passed you or not, I do have the original C emblem and sail # 
73. We arrived approx 4pm.

Mike Amirault
C  sail # 73 Lovely Cruise
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Re: Stus-List VMG at the helm.

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

The simplest way when you are going upwind is get your crew out of the
cockpit. They should be on the rail in the middle of the boat. Our boats
like to sail flat and if you can get the transom out of the water you will
be faster as well.

Eric
C 34/36

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey all;
>
> Although I have VMG (or at least its approximate equivalent) available
> from my Garmin 746 Chart plotter and can display it on one of my 4 Garmin
> displays above the companionway, I find it difficult to see it with crew in
> the cockpit and I don't like putting my head into the boat looking down at
> the chart-plotter mounted above the binnacle while I am trying my best to
> go hard on the wind.
>
> OK-OK--I know this hardly qualifies as a serious problem!!
>
> Nonetheless, I am looking for the simplest solution that allows me to see
> the VMG either on my iphone (hard to read with sunglasses on), or a 'smart
> watch' which may have the same problem. I realize I could use
> another battery powered GPS but I would need to mount it and operate it
> while trying to get my head in to the race at the same time.
>
> Ideally glasses with a heads-up display of it would have it in front of me
> no matter what else was going on.
>
> Any listers have solutions or ideas? My simpleminded thought is to put the
> RC or starting line in as a MOB mark and then use either the
> largest negative VMG upwind from it to guide me at the helm and the
> largest positive VMG downwind from it find the best AWA. This would likely
> give me the best course to steer no matter how true the course is to
> windward.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> C 36 XL/kcb 1995
>
>
>
> cenel...@aol.com
>
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Stus-List VMG at the helm.

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Hey all;
 
Although I have VMG (or at least its approximate equivalent) available from my 
Garmin 746 Chart plotter and can display it on one of my 4 Garmin displays 
above the companionway, I find it difficult to see it with crew in the cockpit 
and I don't like putting my head into the boat looking down at the 
chart-plotter mounted above the binnacle while I am trying my best to go hard 
on the wind.
 
OK-OK--I know this hardly qualifies as a serious problem!!
 
Nonetheless, I am looking for the simplest solution that allows me to see the 
VMG either on my iphone (hard to read with sunglasses on), or a 'smart watch' 
which may have the same problem. I realize I could use another battery powered 
GPS but I would need to mount it and operate it while trying to get my head in 
to the race at the same time.

Ideally glasses with a heads-up display of it would have it in front of me no 
matter what else was going on. 

Any listers have solutions or ideas? My simpleminded thought is to put the RC 
or starting line in as a MOB mark and then use either the largest negative VMG 
upwind from it to guide me at the helm and the largest positive VMG downwind 
from it find the best AWA. This would likely give me the best course to steer 
no matter how true the course is to windward.

Thanks,

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb 1995

 
 
cenel...@aol.com

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Stus-List C a C??

[Harry Hallgring via CnC-List]

I can't wait until this embarrassing divisive presidential election season is 
over.  it seems to be affecting all of us:)





Harry


MIRAGE


1985 Northeast 39


C marque


Rob  Ball design


Bruckmann Yachts
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Stus-List Radar mount

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

A question to this list about mounting a radar

I recently stumbled into a situation where a 5 year old Garmin radome that was 
the exact correct model for our Garmin GPSMAP 740 chartplotter became available 
for just under $500.  Given this great price and our recent night trip up the 
coast in heavy fog we decided we should snatch this up.

We like to be able to do a bit of cruising on our boat but we also like to do 
some racing.  As with all the other cruisy stuff (dodger, bimini, etc) I like 
the option of being able to install it only for a cruise and leave it home the 
rest of the time.  I do not wish to have the radome mounted on the mast for 
this reason (and the wear and other issues on the jib).  Was thinking of either 
a backstay mounted solution or a removable radar pole at the stern.  Something 
like the Scanstrut SC100 series.  The issue I have found is that the backstay 
mount and removable pole mounts are extremely expensive and we are not even 
certain how much we will use this.

Any advice from others on this list or knowledge of a used pole or perhaps info 
on how to manufacture my own?

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
HAlifax
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Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Agree.
The “New C” has no relation to the old at all other than the name. There was 
a thread connecting the newest and the oldest C all through the various 
bankruptcies and re-orgs, but this is a new wavy logo and boats that had no 
relationship at all to any previous C I guess the other choice was no C, 
so this is still better and I got a ton of clothes with the old straight line 
logo for cheap ☺
Joe
Coquina
A real real old ancient senior citizen C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 13:37
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

Ron,
Essentially, Ford still has a member of the Ford family at the helm of a 
company that has “evolved” as automotive and transportation designs have become 
modernized.  If Hyundai was to “buy” the brand name “Pontiac” and renamed the 
Hyundai Elantra a “GTO” or “Firebird”, would it be a Pontiac or a Hyundai?   I 
submit that it would still be a Hyundai.
The C Brand today exists only as a marketing tool for the founders of the now 
defunct Summit Yachts and whilst the current C 30 has found a niche in the 
“mini-GP” owner-driver market, it has far more DNA with previous Mark Mills IRC 
 Summit Yachts designs than any boats ever built in Niagara on the Lake.
It will be interesting to see if the current C 30 holds its value and has the 
same desirability of the C Yachts that we associate with the brand.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. 
Frerker via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 11:50 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker >
Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

Designers change, methods change even at the same company (Ford no longer makes 
model T's); as long as it's the same company banner with the same level of 
excellence and commitment to quality, it's a C  Evolution can be a good 
thing.
I would love to have the newest 30 to race with!
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL



From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber >
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

Not the original C  Those are epoxy hull with carbon mast built by Fairport 
Yachts.Jerry

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:
What about the C 115?  24.19

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 7:20 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Ken Heaton
Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

From SailboatData:

C 34/37R - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 21.16
C 34/37 XL - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 20.34
C 27 Mk.V - Sail Area/Disp.1: 20.37

So we're not very far behind you.  Keep looking over your shoulder...

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/



On 28 October 2016 at 18:00, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Was just looking at sail area to displacement ratio for C's on 
sailboatdata.com and was surprised to see that my 
little 27 mark v and the 34/37R have the highest SA/D of any C's built by the 
original company other than the SR models.  Jerry J C 27 MKV.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Ron,

Essentially, Ford still has a member of the Ford family at the helm of a 
company that has “evolved” as automotive and transportation designs have become 
modernized.  If Hyundai was to “buy” the brand name “Pontiac” and renamed the 
Hyundai Elantra a “GTO” or “Firebird”, would it be a Pontiac or a Hyundai?   I 
submit that it would still be a Hyundai.  

The C Brand today exists only as a marketing tool for the founders of the now 
defunct Summit Yachts and whilst the current C 30 has found a niche in the 
“mini-GP” owner-driver market, it has far more DNA with previous Mark Mills IRC 
 Summit Yachts designs than any boats ever built in Niagara on the Lake. 

It will be interesting to see if the current C 30 holds its value and has the 
same desirability of the C Yachts that we associate with the brand.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. 
Frerker via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 11:50 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

 

Designers change, methods change even at the same company (Ford no longer makes 
model T's); as long as it's the same company banner with the same level of 
excellence and commitment to quality, it's a C  Evolution can be a good 
thing.

I would love to have the newest 30 to race with!

Ron

Wild Cheri

C 30-1

STL

 

 

  _  

From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  >
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   
Cc: Jerome Tauber  >
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

 

Not the original C  Those are epoxy hull with carbon mast built by Fairport 
Yachts.Jerry 

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  > wrote:

What about the C 115?  24.19

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 7:20 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Ken Heaton
Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

 

>From SailboatData:

 

C 34/37R - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 21.16

C 34/37 XL - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 20.34

C 27 Mk.V - Sail Area/Disp.1: 20.37

 

So we're not very far behind you.  Keep looking over your shoulder...

 

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin

S/V Salazar - Can 54955

C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67

Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

 

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/

 

 

 

On 28 October 2016 at 18:00, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  > wrote:

Was just looking at sail area to displacement ratio for C's on 
sailboatdata.com   and was surprised to see that my 
little 27 mark v and the 34/37R have the highest SA/D of any C's built by the 
original company other than the SR models.  Jerry J C 27 MKV. 



Sent from my iPhone


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Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Designers change, methods change even at the same company (Ford no longer makes 
model T's); as long as it's the same company banner with the same level of 
excellence and commitment to quality, it's a C  Evolution can be a good 
thing.I would love to have the newest 30 to race with!RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


  From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jerome Tauber 
 Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:56 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio
   
Not the original C  Those are epoxy hull with carbon mast built by Fairport 
Yachts.    Jerry 

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
wrote:



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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Ken Heaton via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 7:20 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Ken Heaton
Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio    From SailboatData:    C 34/37R - Sail 
Area/Disp.1 : 21.16 C 34/37 XL - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 20.34 C 27 Mk.V - Sail 
Area/Disp.1:20.37    So we're not very far behind you.  Keep looking over your 
shoulder...    Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin S/V Salazar - Can 54955 C 37/40 XL - 
Hull # 67 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia    
http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/          On 28 October 
2016 at 18:00, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  wrote: Was 
just looking at sail area to displacement ratio for C's onsailboatdata.com 
and was surprised to see that my little 27 mark v and the 34/37R have the 
highest SA/D of any C's built by the original company other than the SR 
models.  Jerry J C 27 MKV.  

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Re: Stus-List Last sail

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

There were 2 or 3 years I did not winterize and just kept the cabin heat on. 
That is OK until a blizzard + power outage happens, then you get to winterize 
real quick in crap conditions.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of bushmark4--- 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:05
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bushma...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Last sail

I had the opportunity to go out yesterday...temp in low 80s; with 8-10 mph 
breezes; gusts to 15-16; my first sail since knee surgery about a moth or so 
ago..its was a revelation how quickly the boat gets up to speed and the motion 
through the waves...man it was great! I'm not winterizing until I absolutely 
have to!

Richard
S/V Bushmark4; C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596.5;

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe >
Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2016 9:48 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Last sail

Not sure if yesterday was my last sail or not. I have to get the genoa off to 
start rigging for the Parade of Lights sometime soon. We had temps up to about 
80 yesterday, which is decent for Maryland this time of year. My son and hs 
friends explored Eastern Neck wildlife refuge in the dinghy and were in the 
middle of a "tornado of cormorants" as hundreds of the things took flight 
around the dinghy. No pelicans around though. I wanted to find some, but I 
guess they all went back to Florida. Ospreys are gone too, but the bald eagles 
hang around all year.
Joe
Coquina


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Re: Stus-List Last sail

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 I had the opportunity to go out yesterday...temp in low 80s; with 8-10 mph 
breezes; gusts to 15-16; my first sail since knee surgery about a moth or so 
ago..its was a revelation how quickly the boat gets up to speed and the motion 
through the waves...man it was great! I'm not winterizing until I absolutely 
have to!

 


Richard
S/V Bushmark4; C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596.5;



Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2016 9:48 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Last sail

Not sure if yesterday was my last sail or not. I have to get the genoa off to 
start rigging for the Parade of Lights sometime soon. We had temps up to about 
80 yesterday, which is decent for Maryland this time of year. My son and hs 
friends explored Eastern Neck wildlife refuge in the dinghy and were in the 
middle of a "tornado of cormorants" as hundreds of the things took flight 
around the dinghy. No pelicans around though. I wanted to find some, but I 
guess they all went back to Florida. Ospreys are gone too, but the bald eagles 
hang around all year.
Joe
Coquina


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Re: Stus-List Last sail

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 I had the opportunity to go out yesterday...temp in low 80s; with 8-10 mph 
breezes; gusts to 15-16; my first sail since knee surgery about a moth or so 
ago..its was a revelation how quickly the boat gets up to speed and the motion 
through the waves...man it was great! I'm not winterizing until I absolutely 
have to!
 
Richard
S/V Bushmark4; C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596.5;


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2016 9:48 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Last sail

Not sure if yesterday was my last sail or not. I have to get the genoa off to 
start rigging for the Parade of Lights sometime soon. We had temps up to about 
80 yesterday, which is decent for Maryland this time of year. My son and hs 
friends explored Eastern Neck wildlife refuge in the dinghy and were in the 
middle of a "tornado of cormorants" as hundreds of the things took flight 
around the dinghy. No pelicans around though. I wanted to find some, but I 
guess they all went back to Florida. Ospreys are gone too, but the bald eagles 
hang around all year.
Joe
Coquina


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Re: Stus-List Last sail

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Not sure if yesterday was my last sail or not. I have to get the genoa off to 
start rigging for the Parade of Lights sometime soon. We had temps up to about 
80 yesterday, which is decent for Maryland this time of year. My son and hs 
friends explored Eastern Neck wildlife refuge in the dinghy and were in the 
middle of a "tornado of cormorants" as hundreds of the things took flight 
around the dinghy. No pelicans around though. I wanted to find some, but I 
guess they all went back to Florida. Ospreys are gone too, but the bald eagles 
hang around all year.
Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight 
veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 08:35
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Last sail

you're gonna get passed by most C's, just accept what you can't change
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
 wrote:
>
> Had my final sail of the season today - from Deep Cove in Mahone Bay around
> to Shining Waters in St. Margaret's Bay -- about 23 NMw
>
> Wind was brisk, gusting maybe a bit above 20kts.  First ever solo sail for
> me.  Went pretty well - except for the big bang when my shackle on my
> mainsheet traveller let go with a reefed main up.  I was able to drop the
> sail and tie down the boom.
>
> Unrolled jib and was able to continue without too much disruption.
>
> Got passed by a C+C heading up the Bay - maybe someone from this list?
> Didn't think to get the sail number - but had a C+C emblem on the main
>
> Boat get hauled tomorrow.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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>   - George Santayana
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Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

The original C was built in the 60s

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome 
Tauber via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:57 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber
Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

Not the original C  Those are epoxy hull with carbon mast built by Fairport 
Yachts.Jerry

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:
What about the C 115?  24.19

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 7:20 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Ken Heaton
Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

From SailboatData:

C 34/37R - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 21.16
C 34/37 XL - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 20.34
C 27 Mk.V - Sail Area/Disp.1: 20.37

So we're not very far behind you.  Keep looking over your shoulder...

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/



On 28 October 2016 at 18:00, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Was just looking at sail area to displacement ratio for C's on 
sailboatdata.com and was surprised to see that my 
little 27 mark v and the 34/37R have the highest SA/D of any C's built by the 
original company other than the SR models.  Jerry J C 27 MKV.


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Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Not the original C  Those are epoxy hull with carbon mast built by Fairport 
Yachts.Jerry 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> What about the C 115?  24.19
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 7:20 PM
> To: cnc-list
> Cc: Ken Heaton
> Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio
>  
> From SailboatData:
>  
> C 34/37R - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 21.16
> C 34/37 XL - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 20.34
> C 27 Mk.V - Sail Area/Disp.1: 20.37
>  
> So we're not very far behind you.  Keep looking over your shoulder...
>  
> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
> C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
>  
> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/
>  
>  
>  
> On 28 October 2016 at 18:00, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Was just looking at sail area to displacement ratio for C's on 
> sailboatdata.com and was surprised to see that my little 27 mark v and the 
> 34/37R have the highest SA/D of any C's built by the original company other 
> than the SR models.  Jerry J C 27 MKV. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Last sail

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

you're gonna get passed by most C's, just accept what you can't change
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
 wrote:
>
> Had my final sail of the season today - from Deep Cove in Mahone Bay around
> to Shining Waters in St. Margaret's Bay -- about 23 NMw
>
> Wind was brisk, gusting maybe a bit above 20kts.  First ever solo sail for
> me.  Went pretty well - except for the big bang when my shackle on my
> mainsheet traveller let go with a reefed main up.  I was able to drop the
> sail and tie down the boom.
>
> Unrolled jib and was able to continue without too much disruption.
>
> Got passed by a C+C heading up the Bay - maybe someone from this list?
> Didn't think to get the sail number - but had a C+C emblem on the main
>
> Boat get hauled tomorrow.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Hi Mike,

Some of us consider the boats built by Fairport Marine in the USA, and
designed by Tim Jackett to not be "C's built by the original company".

Ken H.




On 31 October 2016 at 09:15, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
wrote:

> What about the C 115?  24.19
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken
> Heaton via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 7:20 PM
> *To:* cnc-list
> *Cc:* Ken Heaton
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio
>
>
>
> From SailboatData:
>
>
>
> C 34/37R - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 21.16
>
> C 34/37 XL - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 20.34
>
> C 27 Mk.V - Sail Area/Disp.1: 20.37
>
>
>
> So we're not very far behind you.  Keep looking over your shoulder...
>
>
>
> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
>
> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
>
> C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
>
> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
>
>
>
> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 October 2016 at 18:00, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Was just looking at sail area to displacement ratio for C's on
> sailboatdata.com and was surprised to see that my little 27 mark v and
> the 34/37R have the highest SA/D of any C's built by the original company
> other than the SR models.  Jerry J C 27 MKV.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

What about the C 115?  24.19

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 7:20 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Ken Heaton
Subject: Re: Stus-List SA/D Ratio

From SailboatData:

C 34/37R - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 21.16
C 34/37 XL - Sail Area/Disp.1 : 20.34
C 27 Mk.V - Sail Area/Disp.1: 20.37

So we're not very far behind you.  Keep looking over your shoulder...

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/



On 28 October 2016 at 18:00, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Was just looking at sail area to displacement ratio for C's on 
sailboatdata.com and was surprised to see that my 
little 27 mark v and the 34/37R have the highest SA/D of any C's built by the 
original company other than the SR models.  Jerry J C 27 MKV.


Sent from my iPhone

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