Re: Stus-List Fresh Water Plumbing/now PEX tools?

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi Kevin,

Did you use the SS cinch clamps and what kind of fittings, or just the John 
Guest fittings.  I watched a professional Plumber with an expansion tool slip 
this plastic collar over a fitting once, very quick and secure, and a much 
smaller installation than most of the Guest fittings.  He used a simple big 
hand powered expander, hum like this one 
http://www.supplyhouse.com/Wirsbo-Uponor-Q6295075-ProPEX-Hand-Expander-Tool-with-1-23-41-heads-2412000-p
 

  I was impressed.  I’m still watching and learning, but it looks like I could 
rent a tool and do a lot in a weekend, maybe. . .  

Cheers, Lee

> On Jan 11, 2017, at 4:33 30AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Edd,
> I did mine this past season on my 34. It was fairly straightforward after all 
> the planning. I bought everything through Freshwatersystems.com. They had the 
> most complete selection of SeaTech and PEX that I could find. Unfortunately 
> the PEX tubing comes in rolls which made it a little bit more difficult than 
> what straight pieces might gain you. 
> 
> They say PEX is flexible and can make somewhat tight turns, but I stuck to 
> just using elbows for most everything. They have clips that are supposed to 
> bend the tubing for a 90* turn at a safe radius, but those things were fairly 
> flimsy. The biggest pain I had was trying to screw in the mounts for the 
> tubing to secure it. I used the 1/2" CTS 35 series fittings with collet 
> clips. They had the right size for just about all of the faucets and 
> connections that I needed. I had to connect to my poly tank, water pump, 
> galley sink faucet, fresh water foot pump, water heater, external hose inlet, 
> and head faucet. 
> 
> Let me know if you have any other questions.
> 
> Kevin Paxton
> '82 34 #473
> Japhys Spirit
> Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD

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Re: Stus-List Fresh Water Plumbing

[ssjohnson via CnC-List]

Hi Edd...I replaced all my freshwater tubing, galley fawcet, water tank fill 
and vent hoses on Alegria last winter.  I used Whale systems 15mm tubing in red 
and blue.  This entailed pulling all three water tanks (so as long as I had 
them out the fill and vent hoses seemed logical).  I also added a air tank and 
rebuilt the manifold.  For that I used PVC connectors and valves... that worked 
best to eliminate air lesks.The biggest problem was finding the precise 
connectors to work everywhere...BSP, tapered pipe, 3/4" at the water 
heater.But, all is working now.  Quite a project.Spencer Johnson '84 LF38 
Alegria #165 Racine, WI 

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Stus-List Dodger and bimini...or a windshield?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Here's a bit of a different take on dodger/bimini installs.

Granted, my canvas needs "down south" are different than many of you
listers further north. Our main concern is shade, not wind/cold
protection.  Further, since we sometimes race, having a hard frame dodger
just didn't work for us.

With the end boom traveler, Touche' has two biminis, a large forward bimini
that extends over the seahood and a smaller aft bimini.  A filler piece
connects them when we want additional shade.

However, for the occasional spring or fall cruise or transit down the
coast, we wanted wind protection.  The rest of the time we want
unobstructed breeze through the cockpit.

So, I had one of my canvas maker buddies make me a windshield.  A
windshield is different from  a dodger.

The windshield attaches to the forward bimini by a zipper across the top
and the leading edge of the bimini.  It wraps around the bimini frame
almost to the primary winches.  The sides and bottom are simply attached
with small lines through grommets in the windshield.  There are two eye
straps on the deck adjacent the seahood for holding it down.  The remainder
of the small lines simply tie around the bows of the bimini and the
handrails.  The center portion zips and rolls up for breeze when we want it.

I can install and uninstall the thing in 5-10 minutes.  It rolls up easily
and is stored in the quarterberth.

Granted, it isn't as nice as a dodger with support frame but for the few
times a year we use it, it satisfies our needs.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Bob Hickson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Genco made a dodger and bimini for my 29 mk 2 last year. The dodger design
> is great. It is built with fixed supports from the coaming to the dodger
> frame. The dodger sides are completely removable and in fair weather it
> becomes a mini bimini over the companionway. The front window, corner
> windows and side windows can be zipped in any combination. With the front
> and corner panels installed, you have complete access to the foreward
> winches. As other have commented, I shifted the mainsheet bale about 1 foot
> aft to clear the back of the dodger. Very happy with their work.
>
>
>
> Bob Hickson, P. ENG.,
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
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Re: Stus-List C&C 33 MKI Dodger

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Paul,

We have had a Bimini and dodger made for our C&C 33-II by Sportech Sails -
http://www.sportechsails.com/index.php?p=Home

Had them a couple of years, then had a full enclosure added last year – I gave 
Jamie a challenge – no additional fittings on the deck beyond what we had for 
the dodger & Bimini. I did eventually allow 2 on the side of the winch 
mouldings where the panels turn out ward. We are delighted with the results.

Jamie has joined a number of other local marine retailers I know and is not 
usually at the Toronto Boat Show.


Paul Fountain
Perception II
1985 C&C 33-II k/cb
Port Credit Yacht Club




From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Vint 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Paul Vint 
Subject: Stus-List C&C 33 MKI Dodger

Hi all,
After a few years of cruising Lake Ontario and the 1000 Islands in the St. 
Lawrence River I'm planning on some extended cruising next season, maybe to end 
up where winter doesn't suck.
My old 33 MKI is naked - no dodger and no bimini, and while I love that, let's 
face it, some shelter from wind/rain/sun would be damned nice, and this spring 
I'm going to bite the bullet and do it.
I would really love some opinions (and pictures?) of some designs and "dos and 
don'ts" for dodger design.
Resolute has the traveller just aft of the companionway, which will be a bit of 
a pain for dodger design, but I'm not moving it (it's a newish traveller, and 
really really nice!).
My main concerns in the dodger design are how to handle the slope of the cabin 
top (so it looks ok) and to keep things so that the lines are clear to the 
winches with room for cranking. I could deal with a dodger being in the way of 
the more forward winches and just use the aft ones when the dodger's "trailing 
wings" are pulled back.
Last season I worked out the height - a bit lower than the boom will let me 
look through it when sitting and look over when standing (in the picture that's 
my son who is a bit taller than me!)
Image for reference: 
http://resolute.rocks//images/Resolute_port_slowsail_wkjib.jpeg
I appreciate any comments, especially those which explain what you feel like 
are mistakes on your own dodger! (and any and all pics of a 33 MKI dodger 
appreciated VERY much!)
Cheers!
Paul

Resolute - 1975 C&C 33 MKI
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Re: Stus-List Cruisers Forum 38 LF for sale

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

I saw that this morning too. I wouldn't say it looks sketchy necessarily,
just your typical bought-at-auction project boat. Transients were living on
it for a couple years, and the engine might be shot. It's sad what ends up
happening to good boats sometimes.

The latest pictures he posted (open them full size in a new tab) are pretty
interesting / informative. I haven't seen many of those bulkhead cutouts
(windows) from the galley to aft qtrberth.

-Patrick
1984 C&C LF38

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:00 AM,  wrote:

> From: Ryan Doyle 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 11:46:47 -0500
> Subject: Stus-List Cruisers Forum 38 LF for sale
> Saw this on Cruisers Forum this morning.  Guy is asking $6,000.  Sounds
> interesting if not a little sketchy...
>
> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f152/1983-c-and-c-38-
> landfall-178387.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=
> email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cruisersforumnews+%28Cruisers+Forum+-+Emails%29
>
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Stus-List Dodger and bimini

[Bob Hickson via CnC-List]

Genco made a dodger and bimini for my 29 mk 2 last year. The dodger design is 
great. It is built with fixed supports from the coaming to the dodger frame. 
The dodger sides are completely removable and in fair weather it becomes a mini 
bimini over the companionway. The front window, corner windows and side windows 
can be zipped in any combination. With the front and corner panels installed, 
you have complete access to the foreward winches. As other have commented, I 
shifted the mainsheet bale about 1 foot aft to clear the back of the dodger. 
Very happy with their work.


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Re: Stus-List Fresh Water Plumbing

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Did you remove all the original Polybutylene (PB) / (Qest) pipe and
fittings?  There is no need to remove it if it works you just need an
adapter.  3/8ths PB might look like it fits PEX push or crimp fittings but
it will almost certainly leak.

The typical pex pipe comes in 1/2" but 3/8ths is more than big enough.

After doing my own repairs throughout the freshwater system I've found one
of the best systems for connecting multiple types of tubing.
http://mobilehomepartsstore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=CF

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jan 10, 2017 4:23 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Seeing a few articles and videos lately about people re-plumbing the fresh
> water system on their boats using the PEX red and blue piping and
> quick-connect fittings — and the crazy self-punishing jerk in me is
> wondering if I should take on the task to replace the 26 year-old plumbing
> on the Enterprise and be able to have fresh water/showers again.
>
> Has anyone done the whole re-plumbing thing? Any advice?
>
> There’s an awful lot of sinks and faucets on board . . . .
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Cruisers Forum 38 LF for sale

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Saw this on Cruisers Forum this morning.  Guy is asking $6,000.  Sounds 
interesting if not a little sketchy...

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f152/1983-c-and-c-38-landfall-178387.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cruisersforumnews+%28Cruisers+Forum+-+Emails%29___

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Re: Stus-List C&C 33 MKI Dodger

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Paul

We did that trip in 2014/15.  Before we left I had Genco fabricate and install 
a dodger/bimini/enclosure.  I am very please with their work.  Side panels are 
removal or can be rolled up and they have screens.  If you are going the same 
route as me (out the St. Lawrence) you’ll want a full enclosure.  To see some 
pics look at my website www.persuasion37.com.  My traveller is on the coach 
roof so not quite the same.  Give Genco a call they probably have pictures on 
file and you might even get show pricing

Good luck

Mike
S/V Persuasion
C&C 37 Keel/CB
Long Sault

From: Paul Vint via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Paul Vint 
Subject: Stus-List C&C 33 MKI Dodger

Hi all,


After a few years of cruising Lake Ontario and the 1000 Islands in the St. 
Lawrence River I'm planning on some extended cruising next season, maybe to end 
up where winter doesn't suck.


My old 33 MKI is naked - no dodger and no bimini, and while I love that, let's 
face it, some shelter from wind/rain/sun would be damned nice, and this spring 
I'm going to bite the bullet and do it.


I would really love some opinions (and pictures?) of some designs and "dos and 
don'ts" for dodger design.  


Resolute has the traveller just aft of the companionway, which will be a bit of 
a pain for dodger design, but I'm not moving it (it's a newish traveller, and 
really really nice!).


My main concerns in the dodger design are how to handle the slope of the cabin 
top (so it looks ok) and to keep things so that the lines are clear to the 
winches with room for cranking. I could deal with a dodger being in the way of 
the more forward winches and just use the aft ones when the dodger's "trailing 
wings" are pulled back.


Last season I worked out the height - a bit lower than the boom will let me 
look through it when sitting and look over when standing (in the picture that's 
my son who is a bit taller than me!)


Image for reference: 
http://resolute.rocks//images/Resolute_port_slowsail_wkjib.jpeg


I appreciate any comments, especially those which explain what you feel like 
are mistakes on your own dodger! (and any and all pics of a 33 MKI dodger 
appreciated VERY much!)


Cheers!


Paul


Resolute - 1975 C&C 33 MKI




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Re: Stus-List C&C 33 MKI Dodger

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

John

Persistence has a very nice dodger and bimini design.  A number of the concerns 
you have stated have been addressed.  The dodger has zip out side panes which 
make winch access for primaries excellent.  Also our traveler is on bridge deck 
just aft of companionway (same as 33 mk II).  The boom bail is moved aft approx 
10 inches to account for this.  Another option would be to have a dodger frame 
that does not come as far back.

Dodgers are generally a pain for "looking through" compared to no dodger but 
when cruising a dodger and bimini are very nice.  Be sure you get an extension 
piece that you can zip in to join dodger and bimini for when at anchor or under 
motor in the rain.

I can send pictures when get access to them later this week

Note that Persistence is not a 33 mk 1 but as a Frers 33 is very similar 
cockpit and coachroof layout to 33 mk 2

Mike

Persistence
1987 Frers 33 #16
Halifax, NS
http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt

From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Paul Vint via 
CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: January 10, 2017 10:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Paul Vint
Subject: Stus-List C&C 33 MKI Dodger

Hi all,

After a few years of cruising Lake Ontario and the 1000 Islands in the St. 
Lawrence River I'm planning on some extended cruising next season, maybe to end 
up where winter doesn't suck.

My old 33 MKI is naked - no dodger and no bimini, and while I love that, let's 
face it, some shelter from wind/rain/sun would be damned nice, and this spring 
I'm going to bite the bullet and do it.

I would really love some opinions (and pictures?) of some designs and "dos and 
don'ts" for dodger design.

Resolute has the traveller just aft of the companionway, which will be a bit of 
a pain for dodger design, but I'm not moving it (it's a newish traveller, and 
really really nice!).

My main concerns in the dodger design are how to handle the slope of the cabin 
top (so it looks ok) and to keep things so that the lines are clear to the 
winches with room for cranking. I could deal with a dodger being in the way of 
the more forward winches and just use the aft ones when the dodger's "trailing 
wings" are pulled back.

Last season I worked out the height - a bit lower than the boom will let me 
look through it when sitting and look over when standing (in the picture that's 
my son who is a bit taller than me!)

Image for reference: 
http://resolute.rocks//images/Resolute_port_slowsail_wkjib.jpeg

I appreciate any comments, especially those which explain what you feel like 
are mistakes on your own dodger! (and any and all pics of a 33 MKI dodger 
appreciated VERY much!)

Cheers!

Paul

Resolute - 1975 C&C 33 MKI
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Re: Stus-List Fresh Water Plumbing

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

Hey Edd,
I did mine this past season on my 34. It was fairly straightforward after
all the planning. I bought everything through Freshwatersystems.com. They
had the most complete selection of SeaTech and PEX that I could find.
Unfortunately the PEX tubing comes in rolls which made it a little bit more
difficult than what straight pieces might gain you.

They say PEX is flexible and can make somewhat tight turns, but I stuck to
just using elbows for most everything. They have clips that are supposed to
bend the tubing for a 90* turn at a safe radius, but those things were
fairly flimsy. The biggest pain I had was trying to screw in the mounts for
the tubing to secure it. I used the 1/2" CTS 35 series fittings with collet
clips. They had the right size for just about all of the faucets and
connections that I needed. I had to connect to my poly tank, water pump,
galley sink faucet, fresh water foot pump, water heater, external hose
inlet, and head faucet.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Kevin Paxton
'82 34 #473
Japhys Spirit
Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:23 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Seeing a few articles and videos lately about people re-plumbing the fresh
> water system on their boats using the PEX red and blue piping and
> quick-connect fittings — and the crazy self-punishing jerk in me is
> wondering if I should take on the task to replace the 26 year-old plumbing
> on the Enterprise and be able to have fresh water/showers again.
>
> Has anyone done the whole re-plumbing thing? Any advice?
>
> There’s an awful lot of sinks and faucets on board . . . .
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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