Re: Stus-List spinnaker rig

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I appreciate your thoughts, Josh. But truly, I did not need to go and look at 
the thing in person. I can see from their web site that it is overly 
complicated, what with all those holes, flaps and strings. I can just imagine 
trying to untangle that mess if a situation goes pear-shaped with wraps and 
twists, etc. Without resorting to the knife it would be a bit of a challenge!

I talked to the best sail designers in the world, making a real effort to get 
them to say something positive about the sail. These included Kenny Read at 
North and his top designer, Butch Ulmer, Kerry Klinger, Dave Ulman, and Phil 
Leitch. I even talked to Scott Ferguson, who designed the wing for the Oracle 
cats. They were unanimous in the opinion I shared with you. There is no 
aerodynamic merit to Parasail's claims. Certainly, if the claims had merit, the 
company owners would be getting rich from royalties because North would have 
optioned the patent.

By the way, there is nothing to stop one flying a symmetric kite the same way 
as an asymmetric. We used to do it all the time before asymmetrics were 
invented. Perhaps fly it a little higher but always make sure it's got a strap 
to hold the tack close to the head stay so the it doesn't end up way to leeward 
when you're reaching. If you are reaching, have the tack a little closer to the 
deck than you'd think. That will move the draft forward, opening up the leech, 
and creating a better foil shape, just as a Cunningham does on your main.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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> On Apr 29, 2017, at 18:26, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> At the risk of stating the obvious, if they are that good everyone would have 
> one.  Sounds like a gimmick to me.
>  
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List
> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 4:48 PM
> To: C&C List
> Cc: Josh Muckley
> Subject: Re: Stus-List spinnaker rig
>  
> Andrew, with all due respect your assessment may not be uninformed but it 
> does sound un-expierienced.  I understand your position... I mean how hard 
> could it be to sail a spinnaker and if it's that hard then why do I want it.  
> Though, it is an unconventional sail which unless it was properly introduced 
> to the user might have some quirks which you would need to know about.   That 
> being said the company would have provided you with the training for tree and 
> even provided you a free night stay on their boat.  This is normally what 
> they provide to purchasers.  This ensures that a buyer's expirience and 
> opinion are as fair and good as possible.
>  
> It does seem like a missed opportunity on their part to earn a glowing review 
> article from a seasoned (and hard to win over) sailor.  It probably wouldn't 
> have been a prohibitive cost to pay for your airplane ticket and in the end 
> would have paid for itself.
>  
> Still leaves me to wonder..
>  
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>  
>  
>  
> On Apr 29, 2017 2:32 PM, "Andrew Burton via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> I'd venture to guess that a regular kite would have worked equally well or 
> better for your friend. I did a fair bit of research on them, inspected (but 
> never flew) them, and talked to a lot of experts about the company's claims 
> about their product. When I was working on an article on downwind sails for 
> the magazine I asked for one to test but they insisted I fly to them in Tampa 
> (at my own expense) so they could "train" me on their use. If that's 
> necessary for someone of my experience then I doubt someone of little 
> experience is going to have more success than with a regular kite. My 
> assessment of the Parasail is not exactly uninformed!
>  
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 West Narragansett Ave
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
>  
> +401 965 5260
>  
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2017, at 14:17, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting comment, Andy — I’ve got a friend who’s got one up on Lake 
>> Superior, and it’s worked well for him.
>>  
>> — Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>>  
>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Snake Oil! Seriously. Stay away from it. Their claims are bunk.
>>> Andy
>>> C&C 40
>>> Peregrine
>>> 
>>> Andrew Burton
>>> 61 W Narragansett
>>> Newport, RI
>>> USA02840
>>>  
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>>> +401 965-5260
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2017, at 18:36, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
 Anybody have any thoughts on the parasailor?
  
 http://www.parasailor.com/us/products/parasailor.html
  
 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 C&C 37+
 Solomons, MD
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>> 
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Re: Stus-List spinnaker rig

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

At the risk of stating the obvious, if they are that good everyone would have 
one.  Sounds like a gimmick to me.

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 4:48 PM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List spinnaker rig

Andrew, with all due respect your assessment may not be uninformed but it does 
sound un-expierienced.  I understand your position... I mean how hard could it 
be to sail a spinnaker and if it's that hard then why do I want it.  Though, it 
is an unconventional sail which unless it was properly introduced to the user 
might have some quirks which you would need to know about.   That being said 
the company would have provided you with the training for tree and even 
provided you a free night stay on their boat.  This is normally what they 
provide to purchasers.  This ensures that a buyer's expirience and opinion are 
as fair and good as possible.

It does seem like a missed opportunity on their part to earn a glowing review 
article from a seasoned (and hard to win over) sailor.  It probably wouldn't 
have been a prohibitive cost to pay for your airplane ticket and in the end 
would have paid for itself.

Still leaves me to wonder.. 

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Apr 29, 2017 2:32 PM, "Andrew Burton via CnC-List"  
wrote:

  I'd venture to guess that a regular kite would have worked equally well or 
better for your friend. I did a fair bit of research on them, inspected (but 
never flew) them, and talked to a lot of experts about the company's claims 
about their product. When I was working on an article on downwind sails for the 
magazine I asked for one to test but they insisted I fly to them in Tampa (at 
my own expense) so they could "train" me on their use. If that's necessary for 
someone of my experience then I doubt someone of little experience is going to 
have more success than with a regular kite. My assessment of the Parasail is 
not exactly uninformed!

  Andy
  C&C 40
  Peregrine

  Andrew Burton 
  61 West Narragansett Ave
  Newport, RI 
  USA 02840

  +401 965 5260


  On Apr 29, 2017, at 14:17, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Interesting comment, Andy — I’ve got a friend who’s got one up on Lake 
Superior, and it’s worked well for him. 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

  On Apr 28, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Snake Oil! Seriously. Stay away from it. Their claims are bunk.
  Andy
  C&C 40
  Peregrine

  Andrew Burton 
  61 W Narragansett
  Newport, RI 
  USA02840

  http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
  +401 965-5260

  On Apr 28, 2017, at 18:36, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Anybody have any thoughts on the parasailor?

http://www.parasailor.com/us/products/parasailor.html 

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List spinnaker rig

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Andrew, with all due respect your assessment may not be uninformed but it
does sound un-expierienced.  I understand your position... I mean how hard
could it be to sail a spinnaker and if it's that hard then why do I want
it.  Though, it is an unconventional sail which unless it was properly
introduced to the user might have some quirks which you would need to know
about.   That being said the company would have provided you with the
training for tree and even provided you a free night stay on their boat.
This is normally what they provide to purchasers.  This ensures that a
buyer's expirience and opinion are as fair and good as possible.

It does seem like a missed opportunity on their part to earn a glowing
review article from a seasoned (and hard to win over) sailor.  It probably
wouldn't have been a prohibitive cost to pay for your airplane ticket and
in the end would have paid for itself.

Still leaves me to wonder..

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Apr 29, 2017 2:32 PM, "Andrew Burton via CnC-List" 
wrote:

I'd venture to guess that a regular kite would have worked equally well or
better for your friend. I did a fair bit of research on them, inspected
(but never flew) them, and talked to a lot of experts about the company's
claims about their product. When I was working on an article on downwind
sails for the magazine I asked for one to test but they insisted I fly to
them in Tampa (at my own expense) so they could "train" me on their use. If
that's necessary for someone of my experience then I doubt someone of
little experience is going to have more success than with a regular kite.
My assessment of the Parasail is not exactly uninformed!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 West Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


On Apr 29, 2017, at 14:17, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Interesting comment, Andy — I’ve got a friend who’s got one up on Lake
Superior, and it’s worked well for him.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Apr 28, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Snake Oil! Seriously. Stay away from it. Their claims are bunk.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Apr 28, 2017, at 18:36, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
wrote:

Anybody have any thoughts on the parasailor?

http://www.parasailor.com/us/products/parasailor.html

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Re: Stus-List Slight mold inside

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

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Re: Stus-List Slight mold inside

[mike amirault via CnC-List]

I have tried concrobium. IMHO, it is no better than bleach. Practical sailor 
gave it a pretty good rating when used on life jackets, I think, but I am not 
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Re: Stus-List spinnaker rig

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Back in the ‘70s someone was making “puffy” chutes – they looked like Jerry 
Seinfeld’s shirt.  They didn’t last long.

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 2:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List spinnaker rig

I'd venture to guess that a regular kite would have worked equally well or 
better for your friend. I did a fair bit of research on them, inspected (but 
never flew) them, and talked to a lot of experts about the company's claims 
about their product. When I was working on an article on downwind sails for the 
magazine I asked for one to test but they insisted I fly to them in Tampa (at 
my own expense) so they could "train" me on their use. If that's necessary for 
someone of my experience then I doubt someone of little experience is going to 
have more success than with a regular kite. My assessment of the Parasail is 
not exactly uninformed!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton 
61 West Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI 
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


On Apr 29, 2017, at 14:17, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  Interesting comment, Andy — I’ve got a friend who’s got one up on Lake 
Superior, and it’s worked well for him. 

  — Fred


  Fred Street -- Minneapolis
  S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Apr 28, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Snake Oil! Seriously. Stay away from it. Their claims are bunk.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton 
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
+401 965-5260

On Apr 28, 2017, at 18:36, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  Anybody have any thoughts on the parasailor?

  http://www.parasailor.com/us/products/parasailor.html 

  Josh Muckley
  S/V Sea Hawk
  1989 C&C 37+
  Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List spinnaker rig

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I'd venture to guess that a regular kite would have worked equally well or 
better for your friend. I did a fair bit of research on them, inspected (but 
never flew) them, and talked to a lot of experts about the company's claims 
about their product. When I was working on an article on downwind sails for the 
magazine I asked for one to test but they insisted I fly to them in Tampa (at 
my own expense) so they could "train" me on their use. If that's necessary for 
someone of my experience then I doubt someone of little experience is going to 
have more success than with a regular kite. My assessment of the Parasail is 
not exactly uninformed!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 West Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI 
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


> On Apr 29, 2017, at 14:17, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting comment, Andy — I’ve got a friend who’s got one up on Lake 
> Superior, and it’s worked well for him.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Snake Oil! Seriously. Stay away from it. Their claims are bunk.
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>> 
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI 
>> USA02840
>> 
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 18:36, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anybody have any thoughts on the parasailor?
>>> 
>>> http://www.parasailor.com/us/products/parasailor.html
>>> 
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C&C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Slight mold inside

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Ron — look for a product called Concrobium (http://www.concrobium.com 
).

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 29, 2017, at 12:06 AM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don't know if they have that here.
> What's the active ingredient(s)?
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C&C 30-1
> STL
> 
> 
> 
> From: sender via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: sender 
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Slight mold inside
> 
> There is a product called Mold Control available at Canadian Tire and other 
> hardware stores.  Clean surfaces conventionally and then you spray it on and 
> let it dry on the surface.  As it dries, it kills the mold spoors.  It kills 
> the mold and little else.  When i first tried it at home I found it was more 
> effective than bleach in so much as the chronically moldy window sill in our 
> bathroom remained mold free longer. 
> 
> Chlorine bleach, on the other hand, kills the mold and everything else.  It 
> damages most surfaces and materials,at least to some small degree, and the 
> compounds in the fumes are potential health hazards.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Greetings folks,
> I've discovered that I'm getting a slight mold growth on the inside glass 
> (GRF) in the off season.  Can anyone suggest a mild cleaner that won't 
> scratch the GRF?  I'm worried that something harsh might leave microscopic 
> pits that would promote more mold growth in the off season.
> Also, does anyone wax or otherwise protect the inside glass?  And if so, what 
> do you use?
> What about the textured ceiling?
> I might have to replace my scuppers to effect prevention.  I never had it 
> before, but now since I've lost all three scupper horns, I've sealed up the 
> holes to stop critters from nesting and suddenly I'm getting mold.
> Thanks
> Ron 
> Wild Cheri
> C&C 30-1
> STL
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Re: Stus-List spinnaker rig

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Interesting comment, Andy — I’ve got a friend who’s got one up on Lake 
Superior, and it’s worked well for him.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 28, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Snake Oil! Seriously. Stay away from it. Their claims are bunk.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
> +401 965-5260
> 
> On Apr 28, 2017, at 18:36, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> Anybody have any thoughts on the parasailor?
>> 
>> http://www.parasailor.com/us/products/parasailor.html 
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
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Stus-List Westerbeke 33 v drive stuffing box

[PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List]

Hello all

I have a 1983 v drive stuffing box previously packed in 2012.yard cost was 11 
hours  

 Very little use on hard 2014-present 

Wanted to repack prior to launching. But very difficult to get at any advice 
would be great on how to access. Possible crow feet wrench ???

Thanks

Peter
Goonie island
C&c 40 aft

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Re: Stus-List Slight mold inside

[robert via CnC-List]

Many paint retailers, for example Benjamin Moore dealers, sell a product 
(Trimaco Mildew Control) that you add to paint to retard the growth of 
mold and mildew.  It can be used full strength or diluted in water as 
well to remove existing mold.  A 1.5 oz container of Trimaco can be 
added to 1 gallon of paint or water as is very effective not only to 
remove mold but to retard its growth.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-04-29 2:56 AM, sender via CnC-List wrote:

Ron:
I'm not sure what's in it.  I doubt it's unique, surely there are lots 
of similar products out there.


I guess my point was that as much as bleach is the old standard, it 
does sometimes cause collateral damage.  Also as soon as the chlorine 
reacts or evaporates, it done and gone. Whereas the specialty product 
I tried seems to offer some persistent resistance to re-growth.


If you can't find a specialty product designed specifically for mold 
at a local hardware store, you could try a janitorial supply house, or 
Acklands Grainger.


Eric

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Don't know if they have that here.
What's the active ingredient(s)?
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL




*From:* sender via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* sender mailto:victoriaene...@gmail.com>>
*Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 10:58 PM
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Slight mold inside

There is a product called Mold Control available at Canadian Tire
and other hardware stores.  Clean surfaces conventionally and then
you spray it on and let it dry on the surface.  As it dries, it
kills the mold spoors.  It kills the mold and little else.  When i
first tried it at home I found it was more effective than bleach
in so much as the chronically moldy window sill in our bathroom
remained mold free longer.

Chlorine bleach, on the other hand, kills the mold and everything
else.  It damages most surfaces and materials,at least to some
small degree, and the compounds in the fumes are potential health
hazards.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Greetings folks,
I've discovered that I'm getting a slight mold growth on the
inside glass (GRF) in the off season.  Can anyone suggest a
mild cleaner that won't scratch the GRF?  I'm worried that
something harsh might leave microscopic pits that would
promote more mold growth in the off season.
Also, does anyone wax or otherwise protect the inside glass?
And if so, what do you use?
What about the textured ceiling?
I might have to replace my scuppers to effect prevention.  I
never had it before, but now since I've lost all three scupper
horns, I've sealed up the holes to stop critters from nesting
and suddenly I'm getting mold.
Thanks
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL



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Re: Stus-List spinnaker rig

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Kevin, I have both symmetrical and and a new asym on Windstar - a 1985 33-2
that I bought in '13.   Like you I use mine for recreation, in light air,
not ocean racing with a crew, and I sail out of Whitby so similar
conditions.


For the downhhaul, there is a padeye mid-foredeck but it can also be
clipped to the rail.  (I use a snatch block)I really don't think it's
that critical as long as the lead and load makes sense. (the line runs to a
lower bridle on the pole or to another attachment point, also impacting the
lead, so you want to consider the whole system.   I don't think I'd bore
any holes until you get a rig more or less working, you are not optimizing
a racing machine for quick gybing/deployment.  (yet)

The downhaul runs aft along the deck to a cam cleat on the side of the
cabin top,   The pole attaches to the mast with a ring on a sliding track.
  I would think the ability to adjust the pole height is more critical with
a symmetrical, so there is more complexity in rigging.  An asym with its
whisker pole might get by with a ring at a fixed height.  Others will know
more about this than I.

You can adjust the downhaul and topping lift from the cockpit, but the pole
base is tweaked at the mast.

IF you "launch"/douse the spin from a sock, you will need to thing about
the lines and process involved, and rig accordingly.

If you are down this way, I'd be happy to show you how the topping lift,
downhaul, etc were rigged from the factory, maybe you can scale off some
dimensions.   I can post photos to my blog at some point if you'd like.

I have not yet used the asym, but have sailed (not raced) with the
symmetrical, always shorthanded, and sometimes singlehanded, which is
probably not the wisest thing, but it does have its entertaining moments.
These are powerful sails.  As the wind builds and you will gain a new
appreciation for apparent vs true wind when running... (and think about the
otherworldliness of an IMOCA racer or similar that runs at 20+ knots in say
40kts of true wind). I have yet to fly the spin with both sheets and guys,
though I have both.

I have not read all the replies to you post,  but used symmetrical
spinnakers and poles are commonly found on Kijiji for a fraction of the
cost of new.Asymmetricals, not.   This may have some bearing on your
decision.

Fun stuff to play with.

Dave



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From: Josh Muckley 
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 18:36:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List spinnaker rig



On Apr 28, 2017 7:41 AM, "Kevin Deluzio via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hi All,
> This is my second season with my new to me 1980 30-1. I would like
> to rig it for a spinnaker this year. Not interested in racing with one, but
> I like the idea of using it for light winds downwind sailing. So I have to
> install a block for the pole lift and I’m wondering where to install it. In
> the C&C manual it shows the pole lift at 22’-0” above the ‘black line’ at
> base of mast. But I don’t have a black line on my mast, not at the base
> (which I assume is around the height of boom?) nor at the top of my mast.
> Does anyone know where I would locate these black lines? or the height of
> the topping lift from some other reference point? My second question is
> where to mount the pole downhaul (foreguy) - a? Thanks for this.
>
> By the way, love the list, such a great source of information. And here’s
> to all the other C&C owners out there who’s arms are a sore as mine this
> time of year as we get these boats ready for launch.
>
>
> Kevin Deluzio
> S/V Solevento
> C&C30-1 #641
> Kingston, ON
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Re: Stus-List Rub rail cleaner

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I accidentally found that MEK works surprisingly well.  I had a fender
which was gummy and left a real mess on the side if the boat.  Nothing was
getting the goo off - acetone, alcohol, goof off.  I finally stumbled on
some MEK in my arsenal and the goo came right off, almost with no effort at
all.  From what I can tell Interlux 202 is a very similar solvant.  Try
whichever one you have.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Apr 27, 2017 4:25 PM, "Mitchell's via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Does anyone have a good rub rail cleaning product? Acetone doesn't work
> well.
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
>
> Sent from my mobile device.
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