Re: Stus-List foot pumps in galley
My boat has knockoff Whale Galley foot pumps. They look identical to the Whale pumps. but the mounting is different. I got them directly from TMC International, but their web site address no longer works. You can see them on ebay here: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC2.A0.H0.XTMC+Foot+pump.TRS1&_nkw=TMC+Foot+pump&_sacat=0 Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Bill via CnC-List wrote: > Does anyone have an idea what brand the foot pumps (there are 3) are in a > 1986 Landfall 39? > > It is black, and has no company name. The only label says "Made in Taiwan." > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Bill > > MYSTY > 1986 Landfall 39 > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www. > paypal.me_stumurray&d=DwICAg&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN > 0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m= > iJ4Ht9acwFlnbWAVI-Lsvl59mkCHoj2rswAPAMwhrGs&s= > EBFRkZrGrIeQ1DSGhhPm5HRypPAWMpM6JrJyg7Q2BHE&e= > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > -- Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List foot pumps in galley
Hello Bill, My Landfall 39 has Whale foot pumps but they are all white. Have been very pleased with them Lloyd Lippe From: Bill via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bria...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List foot pumps in galley Does anyone have an idea what brand the foot pumps (there are 3) are in a 1986 Landfall 39? It is black, and has no company name. The only label says "Made in Taiwan." Thanks in advance for any help. Bill MYSTY 1986 Landfall 39 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List foot pumps in galley
Does anyone have an idea what brand the foot pumps (there are 3) are in a 1986 Landfall 39? It is black, and has no company name. The only label says "Made in Taiwan." Thanks in advance for any help. Bill MYSTY 1986 Landfall 39___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List LO300
"Voting flies"? Damn autocorrect... Of course, if they did vote, that might explain Trump's fraudulent vote allegations. You heard it here first! 😁 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: bwhitmore via CnC-List Date: 7/21/17 5:48 PM (GMT-06:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bwhitmore Subject: Re: Stus-List LO300 The best solution we found for voting flies on Lake Michigan is not shown in this article, but is known to local fishermen. Apply a thick layer of dawn detergent mixed with a little water. The little buggers hate the taste. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Michael Brown via CnC-List Date: 7/21/17 11:50 AM (GMT-06:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Subject: Re: Stus-List LO300 Has lots of help, thousands at least. http://www.gamonyachting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GAMBloodsuckers.pdf Windburn did double handed flying sails but I ended up awake for the race. At times sections of the deck, sails or lifesling cover was obscured. We used buckets to wash down and clear the cockpit, if you kill one it attracts more for a feast. It clogged the scuppers so had to use the brush handle to mush them up. They bite right through clothes, switched to foulies and boots. Mike Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:50:42 -0400 From: coltrek Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake all that time!? Regards, Bill Coleman?C&C 39 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List LO300
The best solution we found for voting flies on Lake Michigan is not shown in this article, but is known to local fishermen. Apply a thick layer of dawn detergent mixed with a little water. The little buggers hate the taste. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Michael Brown via CnC-List Date: 7/21/17 11:50 AM (GMT-06:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Subject: Re: Stus-List LO300 Has lots of help, thousands at least. http://www.gamonyachting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GAMBloodsuckers.pdf Windburn did double handed flying sails but I ended up awake for the race. At times sections of the deck, sails or lifesling cover was obscured. We used buckets to wash down and clear the cockpit, if you kill one it attracts more for a feast. It clogged the scuppers so had to use the brush handle to mush them up. They bite right through clothes, switched to foulies and boots. Mike Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:50:42 -0400 From: coltrek Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake all that time!? Regards, Bill Coleman?C&C 39 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List mast gate
I have a jackline on my cruising main. Goes up a couple feet above the gate. Easy to reef. Don't have to pull any slugs. Look here: http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/pop_printer_friendly.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=26959 Essentially, the jackline is reaved through cringles on the luff and the slugs. The slugs are not sewn to the sail. My racing main does not have it. I have to drop my knurled sail stop and pull a few slugs to reef it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 4:26 PM, William Walker via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hmm...been sailing a long time.. Can't visualize a Jack line on lower > slugs... > Bill Walker > > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List mast gate
Hmm...been sailing a long time.. Can't visualize a Jack line on lower slugs...Bill WalkerOn Jul 21, 2017 4:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List wrote:Another solution, and avoiding a mast gate altogether, is to use a jack line on the lower half dozen mast slugs. SamC&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On Jul 21, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sam Salterwrote:They sell them on line:http://www.mastgates.com/- one example.samC&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On Jul 21, 2017, at 1:24 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone to machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate.. Bill Walker CnC 36 Pentwater, Mi Sent from AOL Mobile Mail ___This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayAll Contributions are greatly appreciated!___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List mast gate
Well, you learn something new everyday.When I saw the heading, I thought some mast , or maybe Mass manufacturer was caught up in some horrible scandal. Bill Coleman C&C 39 Original message From: Sam Salter via CnC-List Date: 7/21/17 16:18 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Sam Salter Subject: Re: Stus-List mast gate They sell them on line:http://www.mastgates.com/ - one example. samC&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On Jul 21, 2017, at 1:24 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote: Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone to machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate.. Bill Walker CnC 36 Pentwater, Mi Sent from AOL Mobile Mail ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List mast gate
Another solution, and avoiding a mast gate altogether, is to use a jack line on the lower half dozen mast slugs. Sam C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta > On Jul 21, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sam Salter wrote: > > They sell them on line: > http://www.mastgates.com/ > > - one example. > > sam > C&C 26 Liquorice > Ghost Lake Alberta > > >> On Jul 21, 2017, at 1:24 PM, William Walker via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone >> to machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate.. >> Bill Walker >> CnC 36 >> Pentwater, Mi >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish >> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List mast gate
They sell them on line: http://www.mastgates.com/ - one example. sam C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta > On Jul 21, 2017, at 1:24 PM, William Walker via CnC-List > wrote: > > Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone to > machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate.. > Bill Walker > CnC 36 > Pentwater, Mi > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List mast gate
reefing geez... bwalker Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, July 21, 2017 William Walker via CnC-List wrote: Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone to machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate.. Bill Walker CnC 36 Pentwater, Mi Sent from AOL Mobile Mail ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List mast gate
Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone to machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate.. Bill Walker CnC 36 Pentwater, Mi Sent from AOL Mobile Mail___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List 80' C&C 30 Smile Photo
Same for me. Used to have a 3 inches crack on the back of the keel joint and filled it with epoxy every spring, then I used G/Flex and this was 5 years ago, never had to fix it since. Sylvain C&C27 mkIII Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 21 juil. 2017 à 11:27, Mike Macdonald via CnC-List > a écrit : > > True it flexs but that is what g/flex does I did my 29 with it 3 years ago > and it is still holding. Trick is to get the boat square in the cradle with > equal weight distribution so the kewl won't shift too much when lifted > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:17 AM, John Irvin via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> My experience, 20+ years with a 27-3, is to fill with a flexible compound, >> not something firm like epoxy. The boat flexes, you need to allow it to do >> so. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >>> Forgot the photo! >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_lwczpvPcEHY2lHTzZnMngwbWM/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chris >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Chris Hobson wrote: Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? Apparently the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled -- now 1.5” wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by current or previous owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to monitor drop and re-bed if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, no movement on the crack when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe it’s fine, thoughts? >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> >>> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish >> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List LO300
OMG.OK, I won't complain about our Mayflies, or Midges again! Bill ColemanC&C 39 Original message From: Michael Brown via CnC-List Date: 7/21/17 12:50 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Subject: Re: Stus-List LO300 Has lots of help, thousands at least. http://www.gamonyachting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GAMBloodsuckers.pdf Windburn did double handed flying sails but I ended up awake for the race. At times sections of the deck, sails or lifesling cover was obscured. We used buckets to wash down and clear the cockpit, if you kill one it attracts more for a feast. It clogged the scuppers so had to use the brush handle to mush them up. They bite right through clothes, switched to foulies and boots. Mike Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:50:42 -0400 From: coltrek Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake all that time!? Regards, Bill Coleman?C&C 39 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List LO300
https://www.amazon.com/Bug-A-Salt-2-0-Insect-Eradication-Gun/dp/B00STSZ77G Dennis C. On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Has lots of help, thousands at least. > > http://www.gamonyachting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ > GAMBloodsuckers.pdf > > Windburn did double handed flying sails but I ended up awake for the race. > At times > sections of the deck, sails or lifesling cover was obscured. We used > buckets to wash down > and clear the cockpit, if you kill one it attracts more for a feast. It > clogged the scuppers > so had to use the brush handle to mush them up. > > They bite right through clothes, switched to foulies and boots. > > Mike > > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:50:42 -0400 > From: coltrek > > Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake > all that time!? > > Regards, > Bill Coleman?C&C 39 > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List 80' C&C 30 Smile Photo
Looks like the usual smile to me. Properly torque the keelbolts, grind out the crack a bit, fill it with epoxy/glass, cover it with strips of biaxial cloth/epoxy, go sailing. That's how I fixed Touche' in 1999. No issues since. Look here: http://cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/smile/index.htm Several listers have similar experience. Some have had a "bit" more difficult fixes but, in my opinion, the difficulty is often, but not always, related to the lack of proper keelbolt torque. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? > Apparently the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled > -- now 1.5” wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by > current or previous owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to > monitor drop and re-bed if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, > no movement on the crack when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe > it’s fine, thoughts? > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List LO300
Has lots of help, thousands at least. http://www.gamonyachting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GAMBloodsuckers.pdf Windburn did double handed flying sails but I ended up awake for the race. At times sections of the deck, sails or lifesling cover was obscured. We used buckets to wash down and clear the cockpit, if you kill one it attracts more for a feast. It clogged the scuppers so had to use the brush handle to mush them up. They bite right through clothes, switched to foulies and boots. Mike Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:50:42 -0400 From: coltrek Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake all that time!? Regards, Bill Coleman?C&C 39 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List 80' C&C 30 Smile Photo
Looks familiar. Who knows what they stuffed in there, I’ve used many different ‘fixes’ but the keel hasn’t moved and there is no water intrusion. Best is to grind all that old bottom paint off that area and wrap some fiberglass around it and bond it. Or use Marine-Tex or something similar and just check it out each year (which is what I have been doing for over 20 years). As long as the bolts are tight and not rusty, and have good backing plates, you should be OK. Gary From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hobson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chris Hobson Subject: Re: Stus-List 80' C&C 30 Smile Photo Forgot the photo! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_lwczpvPcEHY2lHTzZnMngwbWM/view?usp=sharing Thanks, Chris On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Chris Hobson mailto:ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com> > wrote: Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? Apparently the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled -- now 1.5” wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by current or previous owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to monitor drop and re-bed if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, no movement on the crack when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe it’s fine, thoughts? ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List 80' C&C 30 Smile Photo
True it flexs but that is what g/flex does I did my 29 with it 3 years ago and it is still holding. Trick is to get the boat square in the cradle with equal weight distribution so the kewl won't shift too much when lifted Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:17 AM, John Irvin via CnC-List > wrote: > > My experience, 20+ years with a 27-3, is to fill with a flexible compound, > not something firm like epoxy. The boat flexes, you need to allow it to do so. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List > wrote: > >> Forgot the photo! >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_lwczpvPcEHY2lHTzZnMngwbWM/view?usp=sharing >> >> Thanks, >> Chris >> >> >>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Chris Hobson wrote: >>> >>> Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? >>> Apparently the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled >>> -- now 1.5” wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by >>> current or previous owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to >>> monitor drop and re-bed if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, >>> no movement on the crack when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe >>> it’s fine, thoughts? >>> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish >> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List 80' C&C 30 Smile Photo
My experience, 20+ years with a 27-3, is to fill with a flexible compound, not something firm like epoxy. The boat flexes, you need to allow it to do so. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Forgot the photo! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_lwczpvPcEHY2lHTzZnMngwbWM/view?usp=sharing Thanks, Chris On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Chris Hobson mailto:ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com>> wrote: Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? Apparently the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled -- now 1.5” wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by current or previous owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to monitor drop and re-bed if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, no movement on the crack when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe it’s fine, thoughts? ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List 80' C&C 30 Smile Photo
Forgot the photo! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_lwczpvPcEHY2lHTzZnMngwbWM/view?usp=sharing Thanks, Chris > On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Chris Hobson wrote: > > Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? Apparently > the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled -- now 1.5” > wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by current or previous > owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to monitor drop and > re-bed if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, no movement on the > crack when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe it’s fine, thoughts? > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List 80' C&C 30 Smile Photo
Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? Apparently the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled -- now 1.5” wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by current or previous owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to monitor drop and re-bed if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, no movement on the crack when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe it’s fine, thoughts? ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Voltages
Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake all that time! Regards, Bill Coleman C&C 39 Original message From: Michael Brown via CnC-List Date: 7/21/17 09:52 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Subject: Re: Stus-List Voltages We have a number of UPSes in our customer base we support. I have recycled at least 60 AGM batteries this year and sometimes play with them to see if they are good or can be recovered. Even fairly flat batteries may recover. If they can be charged back up, and I use a constant current power supply instead of a battery charger, I see how long the charge takes. Having a 100 amp hour battery come to full charge after 10 hours at 1 amp means it isn't chemically taking a charge. After the battery has been charged, and that may take days, I put a light load on it to remove a small amount of AH, say 10%. The battery is left to sit for a week or so and then I measure the voltage. What I am looking for is one or more cells that are self discharging. If the battery settles in at around 12+ volts there is hope, but if it shows 10 ( or 8 ) then a cell has gone. I can put the batteries back into a Smart UPS and do a run down load test, basically the UPS switches to battery and runs it down to some voltage, switches back to AC and then sends me a report. That will tell me how much capacity the battery has in it. A lot of the time one battery out of the set has gone, some UPSes have 10 batteries in series, some up to 14 in parallel and series. If the UPS is only 2 - 3 years old I may find only one completely bad battery, and maybe three that recover. They are not new, may have 80%+ of original capacity but can be reused in a less critical application. So charge them up, let them sit and check for around 12 volts. If that is good do a run down test ( the old 12v camper bulbs are great for this ) and see what capacity is left. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 PS: I finished the Lake Ontario 300 last weekend ( and Monday ). Finish times ranged from 45 to 61 hours, a result of the wind dying on Monday. Windburn took first in division, first in fleet and line honours on the Scotch Bonnet course. These C&Cs keep going and going. Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:11:30 + From: "Della Barba, Joe" It is not absolutely 100% the batteries are done for. 99% maybe, but sometimes wet cells, especially traction batteries, can take a good equalizing charge and come back to life with some capacity left. My old extra car had a short that would run the battery stone cold dead. It survived about 3 of these and still could be used as a start battery, but it had almost no reserve. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:24 PM Well, if I learned an expensive lesson, I'll just have to accept that. I checked all the cells before putting the charger on them, and they were full. After charging they are still full (even though I heard the liquid bubbling i.e. creating and venting gas toward the end of the charging period). The one battery I put back on the boat yesterday was able to start my A4 and run my electrical stuff no problem, just like normal before all this. I'll take the other down to the boat tomorrow and measure its voltage with my multimeter- it will have been at rest, disconnected, for 24+ hours by then. But I know there is a difference between instantaneous voltage and amp-hour capacity. These are deep-cycle batteries, and I cycled them very deeply :) I'll just have to monitor the situation for the rest of the season and see how bad my mistakes are going to hurt :) Cheers, Randy From: "Fred Hazzard via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:27:38 PM I can tell you from personal experience that AGMs won't servive either. I had 4 hooked in parallel that I flattened to 4.5 v . A painful experience. At the same time I lost my inverter charger. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland, Or On Jul 20, 2017 12:34 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if those voltages of 4.7 volts and 5.7 volts were correct, they mean these batteries have been quite severely damaged and will never have anywhere near full capacity again. That is not a maybe. You can get many batteries like that to take a surface charge and appear okay with a voltage reading that looks somewhat normal. There is no muscle behind it. The charger is telling you they are 100% charged to their new and very diminished capacity. Some of the cells may also have run dry. This was not survivable for any flooded battery regardless of quality, or how it was treated otherwise. Bill Bina On 7/20/2017 10:10 AM, RANDY via CnC-List wrote: An update on this. Monday morning I brought my
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http://batteryuniversity.com/ Bill Bina On 7/21/2017 9:52 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote: We have a number of UPSes in our customer base we support. I have recycled at least 60 AGM batteries this year and sometimes play with them to see if they are good or can be recovered. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Voltages
We have a number of UPSes in our customer base we support. I have recycled at least 60 AGM batteries this year and sometimes play with them to see if they are good or can be recovered. Even fairly flat batteries may recover. If they can be charged back up, and I use a constant current power supply instead of a battery charger, I see how long the charge takes. Having a 100 amp hour battery come to full charge after 10 hours at 1 amp means it isn't chemically taking a charge. After the battery has been charged, and that may take days, I put a light load on it to remove a small amount of AH, say 10%. The battery is left to sit for a week or so and then I measure the voltage. What I am looking for is one or more cells that are self discharging. If the battery settles in at around 12+ volts there is hope, but if it shows 10 ( or 8 ) then a cell has gone. I can put the batteries back into a Smart UPS and do a run down load test, basically the UPS switches to battery and runs it down to some voltage, switches back to AC and then sends me a report. That will tell me how much capacity the battery has in it. A lot of the time one battery out of the set has gone, some UPSes have 10 batteries in series, some up to 14 in parallel and series. If the UPS is only 2 - 3 years old I may find only one completely bad battery, and maybe three that recover. They are not new, may have 80%+ of original capacity but can be reused in a less critical application. So charge them up, let them sit and check for around 12 volts. If that is good do a run down test ( the old 12v camper bulbs are great for this ) and see what capacity is left. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 PS: I finished the Lake Ontario 300 last weekend ( and Monday ). Finish times ranged from 45 to 61 hours, a result of the wind dying on Monday. Windburn took first in division, first in fleet and line honours on the Scotch Bonnet course. These C&Cs keep going and going. Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:11:30 + From: "Della Barba, Joe" It is not absolutely 100% the batteries are done for. 99% maybe, but sometimes wet cells, especially traction batteries, can take a good equalizing charge and come back to life with some capacity left. My old extra car had a short that would run the battery stone cold dead. It survived about 3 of these and still could be used as a start battery, but it had almost no reserve. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:24 PM Well, if I learned an expensive lesson, I'll just have to accept that. I checked all the cells before putting the charger on them, and they were full. After charging they are still full (even though I heard the liquid bubbling i.e. creating and venting gas toward the end of the charging period). The one battery I put back on the boat yesterday was able to start my A4 and run my electrical stuff no problem, just like normal before all this. I'll take the other down to the boat tomorrow and measure its voltage with my multimeter- it will have been at rest, disconnected, for 24+ hours by then. But I know there is a difference between instantaneous voltage and amp-hour capacity. These are deep-cycle batteries, and I cycled them very deeply :) I'll just have to monitor the situation for the rest of the season and see how bad my mistakes are going to hurt :) Cheers, Randy From: "Fred Hazzard via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:27:38 PM I can tell you from personal experience that AGMs won't servive either. I had 4 hooked in parallel that I flattened to 4.5 v . A painful experience. At the same time I lost my inverter charger. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland, Or On Jul 20, 2017 12:34 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if those voltages of 4.7 volts and 5.7 volts were correct, they mean these batteries have been quite severely damaged and will never have anywhere near full capacity again. That is not a maybe. You can get many batteries like that to take a surface charge and appear okay with a voltage reading that looks somewhat normal. There is no muscle behind it. The charger is telling you they are 100% charged to their new and very diminished capacity. Some of the cells may also have run dry. This was not survivable for any flooded battery regardless of quality, or how it was treated otherwise. Bill Bina On 7/20/2017 10:10 AM, RANDY via CnC-List wrote: An update on this. Monday morning I brought my batteries home (I've got two of these: https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Maxx-Marine-Battery-Group-Size-29DC/20531539 dated May/June 2014 with relatively light use and constantly maintained by a 3amp solar charger). And I bought this inexpensive charging unit: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Schumacher-Electr
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It is not absolutely 100% the batteries are done for. 99% maybe, but sometimes wet cells, especially traction batteries, can take a good equalizing charge and come back to life with some capacity left. My old extra car had a short that would run the battery stone cold dead. It survived about 3 of these and still could be used as a start battery, but it had almost no reserve. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:24 PM To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY Subject: Re: Stus-List Voltages Well, if I learned an expensive lesson, I'll just have to accept that. I checked all the cells before putting the charger on them, and they were full. After charging they are still full (even though I heard the liquid bubbling i.e. creating and venting gas toward the end of the charging period). The one battery I put back on the boat yesterday was able to start my A4 and run my electrical stuff no problem, just like normal before all this. I'll take the other down to the boat tomorrow and measure its voltage with my multimeter- it will have been at rest, disconnected, for 24+ hours by then. But I know there is a difference between instantaneous voltage and amp-hour capacity. These are deep-cycle batteries, and I cycled them very deeply :) I'll just have to monitor the situation for the rest of the season and see how bad my mistakes are going to hurt :) Cheers, Randy From: "Fred Hazzard via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> To: "cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: "Fred Hazzard" mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:27:38 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Voltages I can tell you from personal experience that AGMs won't servive either. I had 4 hooked in parallel that I flattened to 4.5 v . A painful experience. At the same time I lost my inverter charger. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland, Or On Jul 20, 2017 12:34 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if those voltages of 4.7 volts and 5.7 volts were correct, they mean these batteries have been quite severely damaged and will never have anywhere near full capacity again. That is not a maybe. You can get many batteries like that to take a surface charge and appear okay with a voltage reading that looks somewhat normal. There is no muscle behind it. The charger is telling you they are 100% charged to their new and very diminished capacity. Some of the cells may also have run dry. This was not survivable for any flooded battery regardless of quality, or how it was treated otherwise. Bill Bina On 7/20/2017 10:10 AM, RANDY via CnC-List wrote: An update on this. Monday morning I brought my batteries home (I've got two of these: https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Maxx-Marine-Battery-Group-Size-29DC/20531539 dated May/June 2014 with relatively light use and constantly maintained by a 3amp solar charger). And I bought this inexpensive charging unit: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Schumacher-Electric-15-Amp-Battery-Charger/46167057. One battery measured 4.7v before charging, and the other 5.7v, according to the charger's test function. Each battery was on the charger for about 33 hours to charge back up to 13.2v / 13.5v and 100% charge according to the charger. I haven't measured their voltage independently after charging with a multi-meter, but I did that at the start of the season and they were healthy. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!