Stus-List 81' C&C 30 - removed a winch, filling deck holes for winter

2017-10-27 Thread Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
In an effort to reduce constant dripping from a neglected winch fastened to my 
deck support along-side the mast (common on the 80’ MK2) I removed it, cleaned 
with Acetone and filled the holes with Life Caulk. That way my settee below 
doesn’t get soaked each rainfall during our Vancouver winter. In hindsight I 
realize you can’t paint silicone and that clear Life Caulk doesn’t match the 
deck. So is it better to do a job like this with epoxy? I.E. dig out the old 
silicone and replace with epoxy that matches the deck color (in spring of 
course)? I used what I had.

The actual core along these deck supports on either side need to be cut out and 
replaced, but presentation is everything until I can get to that list item.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C&C MKI
Hull 615




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2017-10-27 Thread Stu via CnC-List 
Just your friendly monthly nag to tell you not to leave "Stus-List
CnC-List Digest, Vol 1XX, Issue 1XX".  It does not reflect on the subject
of the email and chances are people will just delete it.

On the same subject, please trim your messages so that the previous
garbage is removed.  There is no reason to have 6 email footers in the
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 141, Issue 130

2017-10-27 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List 
Hi Rich,
 While I agree that mounting the ram to a shelf on the hull is the
traditional way to do it (C&C does it that way), I like my design better
because it reduces the lateral force on the hull to almost zero and reduces
the chance of the shelf ripping loose.  There is a sheer force on the hull,
but it's about 25% of the total ram force and the joint will be stronger in
sheer as well.
 Some people connect the ram to the rudder quadrant, but in discussions
with Rob Ball (C&C designer of the 37+) he says that's a very bad idea,
because the quadrant isn't strong enough and if the quadrant fails, you
lose all steering.  It's also very hard to keep the ram dry (corrosion).
My 2 cents...

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA


~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Opt online via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My 37/40 has a ram on the rudder post mounted to a custom shelf tabbed to
> the hull under the propane tank locker.  I can send  pictures if you want
>
> Rich Hulit
> 917 854-5537
> Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos
>
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> >   1. Re:  C&C 34 plus auto pilots (David Knecht)
> >   2. Re:  News story (David Knecht)
> >   3. Re:  C&C 34 plus auto pilots (Gary Russell)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:27:13 -0400
> > From: David Knecht 
> > To: CnC CnC discussion list 
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34 plus auto pilots
> > Message-ID: <01b8784d-433d-4d1c-a5db-9a54d4b6e...@gmail.com>
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> >
> > I was told that you could not put an underdeck on my 34+ and so went
> with a wheel pilot.  I have since learned that it is possible, and not
> really that hard.  I wish I had known it sooner, as I really liked the
> hydraulic unit my older boat had.  I would contact Colin Mack at Mack
> Sails.  He did someone?s boat and has a customized installation they can do
> for you or can sell you what you need for self-installation.  Dave
> >
> > Aries
> > 1990 C&C 34+
> > New London, CT
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on
> a 34
> >> plus or 37/40.
> >>
> >> Doug Allardyce
> >> _/)~~~_/) 
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> > From: David Knecht 
> > To: CnC CnC discussion list 
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List News story
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> > Yes, but the report in the UK Mail says that they had a mast problem,
> and could sail at 4-5 knot

Re: Stus-List News story

2017-10-27 Thread Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
I just saw a very short interview with the women on the news.  Apparently, they 
were swamped in a storm that washed the engine and damaged the rig.  No more 
info than that.   Although, both women looked healthy and not very distressed. 
They were found 900 miles off Japan. 
one statement I found really puzzling.  She said she was sure they would have 
died in the next 24 hours.  But they weren't emaciated at all.  You'd think of 
they were afraid of running out of food they would be rationing and very thin. 
My guess is they were writing their book and maybe embellishing the situation a 
bit.  That's a terrible thing to say isn't it?  Lol
Danny
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
 Date: 10/27/17  5:32 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: CnC CnC 
discussion list  Cc: David Knecht 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List News story 
Yes, but the report in the UK Mail says that they had a mast problem, and could 
sail at 4-5 knots. I don’t see why that is a problem.  The real question is now 
they got “lost”.  Did they have no navigational capability?  No solar or wind 
power?  Also, they lost their cell phone overboard the first day.  What use is 
a cell phone in the Pacific Ocean?  Lots more to hear on this one.  Dave

Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT




On Oct 27, 2017, at 6:51 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
wrote:
 According to the morning news, part of their rigging broke and they oatmeal, 
pasta and rice.  
Danny


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Brad Crawford via CnC-List 
 Date: 10/26/17  10:05 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List News story 
What happened to sailing?

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 4:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the 
> Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise functional 
> boat.  Apparently the crew survived as they had a water maker and a year’s 
> supply of oatmeal.  Something not add up here?  And who really has a 1 year 
> supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog? 
> 
> Gotta be more coming on this one...
> 
> John
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 34 plus auto pilots

2017-10-27 Thread pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List 
I’ve installed both Ray electric ram and a hydraulic.  The hydraulic is 
slightly more resistance as Gary describes, but the advantage of significant 
less amp draw far outweighs this.







From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Russell 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 4:43 PM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Gary Russell 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34 plus auto pilots



No matter which brand autopilot you use (mine is B
&G Zeus2, I would recommend you use the Raymarine electric ram.  The hydraulic 
units have far too much drag and ruin the feel of the rudder.



Gary

S/V Kaylarah

'90 C&C 37+

East Greenwich, RI, USA




~~~_/)~~



On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 5:27 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I was told that you could not put an underdeck on my 34+ and so went with a 
wheel pilot.  I have since learned that it is possible, and not really that 
hard.  I wish I had known it sooner, as I really liked the hydraulic unit my 
older boat had.  I would contact Colin Mack at Mack Sails.  He did someone’s 
boat and has a customized installation they can do for you or can sell you what 
you need for self-installation.  Dave



Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT







On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on a 34
plus or 37/40.

Doug Allardyce
_/)~~~_/) 

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 141, Issue 130

2017-10-27 Thread Opt online via CnC-List 
My 37/40 has a ram on the rudder post mounted to a custom shelf tabbed to the 
hull under the propane tank locker.  I can send  pictures if you want

Rich Hulit
917 854-5537
Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos

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>   3. Re:  C&C 34 plus auto pilots (Gary Russell)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:27:13 -0400
> From: David Knecht 
> To: CnC CnC discussion list 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34 plus auto pilots
> Message-ID: <01b8784d-433d-4d1c-a5db-9a54d4b6e...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I was told that you could not put an underdeck on my 34+ and so went with a 
> wheel pilot.  I have since learned that it is possible, and not really that 
> hard.  I wish I had known it sooner, as I really liked the hydraulic unit my 
> older boat had.  I would contact Colin Mack at Mack Sails.  He did someone?s 
> boat and has a customized installation they can do for you or can sell you 
> what you need for self-installation.  Dave
> 
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on a 34
>> plus or 37/40.
>> 
>> Doug Allardyce
>> _/)~~~_/) 
>> 
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> 
> Yes, but the report in the UK Mail says that they had a mast problem, and 
> could sail at 4-5 knots. I don?t see why that is a problem.  The real 
> question is now they got ?lost?.  Did they have no navigational capability?  
> No solar or wind power?  Also, they lost their cell phone overboard the first 
> day.  What use is a cell phone in the Pacific Ocean?  Lots more to hear on 
> this one.  Dave
> 
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 6:51 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> According to the morning news, part of their rigging broke and they oatmeal, 
>> pasta and rice.  
>> 
>> Danny
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Brad Crawford via CnC-List 
>> Date: 10/26/17 10:05 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Brad Crawford 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List News story
>> 
>> What happened to sailing?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 4:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the 
>>> Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise 
&g

Re: Stus-List C&C 34 plus auto pilots

2017-10-27 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List 
No matter which brand autopilot you use (mine is B
&G Zeus2, I would recommend you use the Raymarine electric ram.  The
hydraulic units have far too much drag and ruin the feel of the rudder.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 5:27 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I was told that you could not put an underdeck on my 34+ and so went with
> a wheel pilot.  I have since learned that it is possible, and not really
> that hard.  I wish I had known it sooner, as I really liked the hydraulic
> unit my older boat had.  I would contact Colin Mack at Mack Sails.  He did
> someone’s boat and has a customized installation they can do for you or can
> sell you what you need for self-installation.  Dave
>
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on a
> 34
> plus or 37/40.
>
> Doug Allardyce
> _/)~~~_/) 
>
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Re: Stus-List News story

2017-10-27 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List 
Yes, but the report in the UK Mail says that they had a mast problem, and could 
sail at 4-5 knots. I don’t see why that is a problem.  The real question is now 
they got “lost”.  Did they have no navigational capability?  No solar or wind 
power?  Also, they lost their cell phone overboard the first day.  What use is 
a cell phone in the Pacific Ocean?  Lots more to hear on this one.  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Oct 27, 2017, at 6:51 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>  According to the morning news, part of their rigging broke and they oatmeal, 
> pasta and rice.  
> 
> Danny
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Brad Crawford via CnC-List 
> Date: 10/26/17 10:05 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Brad Crawford 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List News story
> 
> What happened to sailing?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Oct 26, 2017, at 4:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the 
> > Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise 
> > functional boat.  Apparently the crew survived as they had a water maker 
> > and a year’s supply of oatmeal.  Something not add up here?  And who really 
> > has a 1 year supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog? 
> > 
> > Gotta be more coming on this one...
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List C&C 34 plus auto pilots

2017-10-27 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List 
I was told that you could not put an underdeck on my 34+ and so went with a 
wheel pilot.  I have since learned that it is possible, and not really that 
hard.  I wish I had known it sooner, as I really liked the hydraulic unit my 
older boat had.  I would contact Colin Mack at Mack Sails.  He did someone’s 
boat and has a customized installation they can do for you or can sell you what 
you need for self-installation.  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT


> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on a 34
> plus or 37/40.
> 
> Doug Allardyce
> _/)~~~_/) 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Spreader boots 1984 C&C 35-3

2017-10-27 Thread Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
FWIW, I signed on to having all the rod replaced on our 37’. I received a 
quote, and I’m guestimating the labor costs because we are doing everything 
rigging/lifeline related, that came in at around $9,000.00 to $9,500.00.

Hope that’s a good reference.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Oct 27, 2017, at 2:43 PM, DON JONSSON via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> I had Blackline do mine in 2010.  I replaced the rod with wire.  They also 
> installed radar on the mast, replaced corroded spreader tips, etc.  Cost was 
> close to $6,800 minus taxes.
> 
> Cheap compared to the cost of the new motor I'm in the process of putting in.
> 
> By the way, we followed your model more or less on the installation of our 
> windlass.  That was a great help to see your installation.  Didn't use it a 
> lot this summer but it always worked well.  Such a joy.
> 
> Don Jonsson
> Swan Song (although currently in a name change process)
> C&C 34
> Victoria
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Jim Watts" 
> To: "1 CnC List" 
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 11:08:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader boots 1984 C&C 35-3
> 
> Finally got a quote from Blackline. Initial estimate was $5K, full quote was 
> $10K. 
> I'm not sure what Plan B is at this point, that's double what I have heard 
> from others who have done the switch from rod to wire. 
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
> 
> On 7 October 2017 at 18:11, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  > wrote:
> I just did the rigging on Peregrine. The riggers were able to re-head all but 
> the V2/D3, which had to be replaced because of aligning the top spreaders 
> with the bend in the rod. The cost was about $5k for literally the best guys 
> in the world to do it all.
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
> +401 965-5260
> 
> On Oct 7, 2017, at 20:39, Jim Watts via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
> I'm having a rigger come out next week to have a look at our standing rigging 
> and mast, it's all original so I'm sure we'll end up with yet another 
> horrific bill. I'm seriously considering going to wire instead of rod, but 
> I'll get quotes on both
> 
> Andrew, you're right, I want to pull the mast so I can take the collar off 
> the deck, fix some voids, and rebed it, plus change all the fixtures and the 
> wiring, and add spreader boots. Elkhide sounds good, I'll have to see if I 
> can find some. I have cowhide and deerhide (I think) in storage somewhere.
> 
> That brings up another thought, I'll start a separate thread for that. 
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
> 
> On 7 October 2017 at 12:22, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  > wrote:
> Especially if you intend to pull the rig, Jim, sewing elkhide boots on is 
> remarkably easy. I did that last year with mine and even though I though I 
> made a hash of the job, you wouldn't know it from the deck! Mind you, I did 
> start with the top set of spreaders first. It's a quick enough job that it 
> can be done from a bosun's chair without earring yourself out.
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
> +401 965-5260
> 
> > On Oct 7, 2017, at 14:55, Jim Watts via CnC-List  > > wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know offhand the sizes of the spreader tips on the early rig 
> > (pre-1985)? I want to put on some spreader boots and having them ready to 
> > go would make it much easier than having to go up and measure first.
> >
> > Jim Watts
> > Paradigm Shift
> > C&C 35 Mk III
> > Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Spreader boots 1984 C&C 35-3

2017-10-27 Thread DON JONSSON via CnC-List 
Hi Jim 

I had Blackline do mine in 2010. I replaced the rod with wire. They also 
installed radar on the mast, replaced corroded spreader tips, etc. Cost was 
close to $6,800 minus taxes. 

Cheap compared to the cost of the new motor I'm in the process of putting in. 

By the way, we followed your model more or less on the installation of our 
windlass. That was a great help to see your installation. Didn't use it a lot 
this summer but it always worked well. Such a joy. 

Don Jonsson 
Swan Song (although currently in a name change process) 
C&C 34 
Victoria 




From: "Jim Watts"  
To: "1 CnC List"  
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 11:08:48 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader boots 1984 C&C 35-3 

Finally got a quote from Blackline. Initial estimate was $5K, full quote was 
$10K. 
I'm not sure what Plan B is at this point, that's double what I have heard from 
others who have done the switch from rod to wire. 

Jim Watts 
Paradigm Shift 
C&C 35 Mk III 
Victoria, BC 

On 7 October 2017 at 18:11, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> wrote: 



I just did the rigging on Peregrine. The riggers were able to re-head all but 
the V2/D3, which had to be replaced because of aligning the top spreaders with 
the bend in the rod. The cost was about $5k for literally the best guys in the 
world to do it all. 

Andy 
C&C 40 
Peregrine 

Andrew Burton 
61 W Narragansett 
Newport, RI 
USA 02840 

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
+401 965-5260 

On Oct 7, 2017, at 20:39, Jim Watts via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 


BQ_BEGIN

I'm having a rigger come out next week to have a look at our standing rigging 
and mast, it's all original so I'm sure we'll end up with yet another horrific 
bill. I'm seriously considering going to wire instead of rod, but I'll get 
quotes on both 

Andrew, you're right, I want to pull the mast so I can take the collar off the 
deck, fix some voids, and rebed it, plus change all the fixtures and the 
wiring, and add spreader boots. Elkhide sounds good, I'll have to see if I can 
find some. I have cowhide and deerhide (I think) in storage somewhere. 

That brings up another thought, I'll start a separate thread for that. 



Jim Watts 
Paradigm Shift 
C&C 35 Mk III 
Victoria, BC 

On 7 October 2017 at 12:22, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
Especially if you intend to pull the rig, Jim, sewing elkhide boots on is 
remarkably easy. I did that last year with mine and even though I though I made 
a hash of the job, you wouldn't know it from the deck! Mind you, I did start 
with the top set of spreaders first. It's a quick enough job that it can be 
done from a bosun's chair without earring yourself out. 

Andy 
C&C 40 
Peregrine 

Andrew Burton 
61 W Narragansett 
Newport, RI 
USA 02840 

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
+401 965-5260 

> On Oct 7, 2017, at 14:55, Jim Watts via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
> wrote: 
> 
> Does anyone know offhand the sizes of the spreader tips on the early rig 
> (pre-1985)? I want to put on some spreader boots and having them ready to go 
> would make it much easier than having to go up and measure first. 
> 
> Jim Watts 
> Paradigm Shift 
> C&C 35 Mk III 
> Victoria, BC 
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Re: Stus-List (no subject)

2017-10-27 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List 
I used the key way, but I understand that some rudders have the key way
extend down further than others.  So you may be able to use the key way or
not.

Gary

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Gary,
>
> Did you just use the key-way or did you drill through the rudder post as
> well?  I really like how you installed it all at home and then just glassed
> in the shelf!
> Danny
>
>
> On 10/27/2017 11:24 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hi Doug,
>  I had to cut a section out of the tube (terrifying) but it worked out
> great.  Just do all the reinforcing first, before you cut it so everything
> stays lined up.  The tube supports the deck.  See pictures below:
>
> Gary
> ​
>  High Maintenance Autopilot Project
> 
> ​
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gary. Was a portion of the rudder shaft exposed, or did you have
>> to cut a section of the tube away to install the arm for the auto pilot ram.
>>
>>
>> Doug Allardyce
>> _/)~~~_/) 
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]*On Behalf Of *Gary
>> Russell via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 27, 2017 9:31 AM
>> *To:* C&C List
>> *Cc:* Gary Russell
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List (no subject)
>>
>> Yes, I do.  I put one in a 37+ and I love it.
>>
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>> '90 C&C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on
>>> a 34
>>> plus or 37/40.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug Allardyce
>>> _/)~~~_/) 
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List (no subject)

2017-10-27 Thread Ron Ricci via CnC-List 
Doug,

 

I “copied” Gary’s design and am happy with the results.  My rudder shaft did 
not have a keyway (Gary’s had one) so I ended up having to drill a 3/8” hole 
through a 3” stainless steel tube with ½” thick walls.  Edson makes an 
appropriate tiller arm with a 3/8” hole pre-drilled.  I used a drill bushing to 
start with a 1/8” pilot hole.  If you end up having to drill your shaft, let me 
know.  I have a drill bushing 

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Doug 
Allardyce via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 12:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Doug Allardyce
Subject: Re: Stus-List (no subject)

 

Thank again Gary. This is very helpful. You did a great job laying everything 
out and then executing. No mysteries now on what needs to be done. Great 
installation.

 

Doug Allardyce 
_/)~~~_/)  

-Original Message-



 

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Re: Stus-List Spreader boots 1984 C&C 35-3

2017-10-27 Thread Jim Watts via CnC-List 
Finally got a quote from Blackline. Initial estimate was $5K, full quote
was $10K.
I'm not sure what Plan B is at this point, that's double what I have heard
from others who have done the switch from rod to wire.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 7 October 2017 at 18:11, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I just did the rigging on Peregrine. The riggers were able to re-head all
> but the V2/D3, which had to be replaced because of aligning the top
> spreaders with the bend in the rod. The cost was about $5k for literally
> the best guys in the world to do it all.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Oct 7, 2017, at 20:39, Jim Watts via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I'm having a rigger come out next week to have a look at our standing
> rigging and mast, it's all original so I'm sure we'll end up with yet
> another horrific bill. I'm seriously considering going to wire instead of
> rod, but I'll get quotes on both
>
> Andrew, you're right, I want to pull the mast so I can take the collar off
> the deck, fix some voids, and rebed it, plus change all the fixtures and
> the wiring, and add spreader boots. Elkhide sounds good, I'll have to see
> if I can find some. I have cowhide and deerhide (I think) in storage
> somewhere.
>
> That brings up another thought, I'll start a separate thread for that.
>
>
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
> On 7 October 2017 at 12:22, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Especially if you intend to pull the rig, Jim, sewing elkhide boots on is
>> remarkably easy. I did that last year with mine and even though I though I
>> made a hash of the job, you wouldn't know it from the deck! Mind you, I did
>> start with the top set of spreaders first. It's a quick enough job that it
>> can be done from a bosun's chair without earring yourself out.
>>
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI
>> USA02840
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>>
>> > On Oct 7, 2017, at 14:55, Jim Watts via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Does anyone know offhand the sizes of the spreader tips on the early
>> rig (pre-1985)? I want to put on some spreader boots and having them ready
>> to go would make it much easier than having to go up and measure first.
>> >
>> > Jim Watts
>> > Paradigm Shift
>> > C&C 35 Mk III
>> > Victoria, BC
>> > ___
>> >
>> > The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
>> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
>> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
>> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> >
>> > All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>>
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Re: Stus-List 37+ autopilot installation

2017-10-27 Thread bushmark4--- via CnC-List 

 An excellent job; amazing how much more room there is on the 37+ than my 1985 
37...no comparison...!


Richard

Richard N. Bush  

s/v Bushmark4: C&C 37 CB; Ohio River mile 596.5



2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Doug Allardyce 
Sent: Fri, Oct 27, 2017 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List (no subject)



Thank again Gary. This is very helpful. You did a great job laying everything 
out and then executing. No mysteries now on what needs to be done. Great 
installation.
 
Doug Allardyce 
_/)~~~_/)  
  
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List   [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Gary 
Russell via   CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 11:25 AM
To:   C&C List
Cc: Gary Russell
Subject: Re: Stus-List (no   subject)


  
Hi Doug,  
 I had to cut a section out of the tube (terrifying)   but it worked out 
great.  Just do all the reinforcing first, before you   cut it so everything 
stays lined up.  The tube supports the deck.See pictures below:
  


  
Gary
  
​
  
 High Maintenance Autopilot Project
​

  

  
  
~~~_/)~~



  
On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Doug Allardyce via   CnC-List 
 wrote:
  


Thanks Gary. Was a portion of the rudder shaft exposed, or did you have to 
cut a section of the tube away to install the arm for the auto pilot ram.

 

Doug Allardyce 
_/)~~~_/)  



  
-Original   Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of   Gary 
Russell via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017   9:31 AM
To: C&C List
Cc: Gary   Russell
Subject: Re: Stus-List (no subject)


  
Yes, I do.  I put one in a 37+ and I love it.   


  
Gary
  
S/V Kaylarah
  
'90 C&C 37+
  
East Greenwich, RI, USA
  

  
  
~~~_/)~~



  
On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Doug Allardyce via   CnC-List 
 wrote:
  
Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on 
a 34
plus or 37/40.



Doug Allardyce
_/)~~~_/) 


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Re: Stus-List (no subject)

2017-10-27 Thread Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
Thank again Gary. This is very helpful. You did a great job laying everything 
out and then executing. No mysteries now on what needs to be done. Great 
installation.

Doug Allardyce 
_/)~~~_/)  

  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Gary 
Russell via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 11:25 AM
  To: C&C List
  Cc: Gary Russell
  Subject: Re: Stus-List (no subject)


  Hi Doug,
   I had to cut a section out of the tube (terrifying) but it worked out 
great.  Just do all the reinforcing first, before you cut it so everything 
stays lined up.  The tube supports the deck.  See pictures below:


  Gary
  ​
   High Maintenance Autopilot Project​



  ~~~_/)~~




  On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Thanks Gary. Was a portion of the rudder shaft exposed, or did you have to 
cut a section of the tube away to install the arm for the auto pilot ram.

Doug Allardyce 
_/)~~~_/)  

  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Gary 
Russell via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 9:31 AM
  To: C&C List
  Cc: Gary Russell
  Subject: Re: Stus-List (no subject)


  Yes, I do.  I put one in a 37+ and I love it. 


  Gary
  S/V Kaylarah
  '90 C&C 37+
  East Greenwich, RI, USA


  ~~~_/)~~




  On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on 
a 34
plus or 37/40.



Doug Allardyce
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Re: Stus-List (no subject)

2017-10-27 Thread Danny Haughey via CnC-List 

Gary,

Did you just use the key-way or did you drill through the rudder post as 
well?  I really like how you installed it all at home and then just 
glassed in the shelf!


Danny

On 10/27/2017 11:24 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Doug,
     I had to cut a section out of the tube (terrifying) but it worked 
out great.  Just do all the reinforcing first, before you cut it so 
everything stays lined up.  The tube supports the deck.  See pictures 
below:


Gary
​
High Maintenance Autopilot Project 


​

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Thanks Gary. Was a portion of the rudder shaft exposed, or did you
have to cut a section of the tube away to install the arm for the
auto pilot ram.

Doug Allardyce
_/)~~~_/) 

-Original Message-
*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
]*On Behalf Of *Gary
Russell via CnC-List
*Sent:* Friday, October 27, 2017 9:31 AM
*To:* C&C List
*Cc:* Gary Russell
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List (no subject)

Yes, I do.  I put one in a 37+ and I love it.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck
autopilot on a 34
plus or 37/40.



Doug Allardyce
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 141, Issue 120

2017-10-27 Thread Robert Wooden via CnC-List 
Hi Kyle,

I have a C&C 27 that I have sailed on-and-off for several years (life and
work keep getting in the way).  

I have had a single burner propane "swing stove" for several years.  I tried
to fine one like mine online but don't see the exact unit.  The first link
takes you to one that is available that is close.  I think I had the older
model, see the second link.  I often cook one pot meals on it on overnight
sails.  I bolted the bracket where I can use the stove under the
companionway sliding hatch, hatch open in nice weather or closed when foul.
I lift the stove off and store it when not in use.

https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=14122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HOI-2YrlFs

Bob Wooden
C&C 27 Mk3 "Rhapsody"





 
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   2. Re:  Fundraising results (Dennis C.)
   3. Re:  Fundraising results (John Irvin)
   4. Re:  Fundraising results (Kevin Driscoll)


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Hello everyone...new owner of a 1977 C&C 26. I have owned a Bayliner
sailboat and still have a Catalina 25. Really excited about this C&C, but
I?m working on where to install a stove. I?m located in Washington State and
coffee is a must. I mostly prepare food on a grill in the cockpit. So I
could use a single burner. Just looking for advice and ideas.

The boat has never had a name and I?m considering using my first grandson?s
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This virtual C&C community has existed for over 20 years.  Many of us have
escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world.

What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing fee
to all of us.   We would also be subject to their advertisements and any
future fee increases.  After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it lacking.

Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call Stu's
List.  One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever".  We like
that.  It is a community list.  Although Stu diligently maintains it, we all
feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership.  Although Stu is the
"official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is "ours".

Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative $$
and aggravation savings are large.  Benefiting from the been there, done
that of this list is very valuable.  The combined experience of our members
cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs,
engines, electrical and electronics.

Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu.  IMHO, if there is an excess, I
believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses.  I, like
others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle or
two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me.  He deserves it.

Enough about this.  Send $$$.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. 
> We do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a 
> group hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were 
> essentially left homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about 
> where to go. Google really didn't exist then. The big player was 
> Yahoo. There were a few other options, including staying with the new 
> owners of Sailnet, even though they had dumped our archives. Having 
> been burned badly by allowing someone else to host us, we were all 
> very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home, where some outside 
> bean-counter would never again have the option to exterminate us, and

Re: Stus-List (no subject)

2017-10-27 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List 
Hi Doug,
 I had to cut a section out of the tube (terrifying) but it worked out
great.  Just do all the reinforcing first, before you cut it so everything
stays lined up.  The tube supports the deck.  See pictures below:

Gary
​
 High Maintenance Autopilot Project

​

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks Gary. Was a portion of the rudder shaft exposed, or did you have to
> cut a section of the tube away to install the arm for the auto pilot ram.
>
>
> Doug Allardyce
> _/)~~~_/) 
>
> -Original Message-
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]*On Behalf Of *Gary
> Russell via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, October 27, 2017 9:31 AM
> *To:* C&C List
> *Cc:* Gary Russell
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List (no subject)
>
> Yes, I do.  I put one in a 37+ and I love it.
>
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C&C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on a
>> 34
>> plus or 37/40.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug Allardyce
>> _/)~~~_/) 
>>
>>
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>> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
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>>
>>
>
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Stus-List Jib trade?

2017-10-27 Thread Brian Fry via CnC-List 
I have a 37/40 xl. We have a racing jib on board that we are considering
cutting and modifying for a cruiser friendly jib. It has battn pockets ( no
battens) and goes all the way to the deck. No uv fabric. It has only been
used 2 seasons so is in good shape.
Anyone have a cruising jib to trade?
Just looking to swap for a jib with uv cover and reefing points.


S/V La Neige
1993 C&C 37/40 XL
Havre de Grace , MD
FB blog : thenext14years
Brian and Manon
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Re: Stus-List C&C 34 plus auto pilots

2017-10-27 Thread Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
Thanks Josh. Very helpful.

Doug Allardyce 
_/)~~~_/)  

  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Josh 
Muckley via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 9:49 AM
  To: C&C List
  Cc: Josh Muckley
  Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34 plus auto pilots


  I didn't install it but I have one and have absolutely no complaints.  Here 
are some pictures.


  https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yZU1hczd0QlNEOWc



  Josh Muckley
  S/V Sea Hawk
  1989 C&C 37+
  Solomons, MD 






  On Oct 27, 2017 9:18 AM, "Doug Allardyce via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on a 34
plus or 37/40.

Doug Allardyce
_/)~~~_/) 


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Re: Stus-List (no subject)

2017-10-27 Thread Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
Thanks Gary. Was a portion of the rudder shaft exposed, or did you have to cut 
a section of the tube away to install the arm for the auto pilot ram.

Doug Allardyce 
_/)~~~_/)  

  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Gary 
Russell via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 9:31 AM
  To: C&C List
  Cc: Gary Russell
  Subject: Re: Stus-List (no subject)


  Yes, I do.  I put one in a 37+ and I love it.


  Gary
  S/V Kaylarah
  '90 C&C 37+
  East Greenwich, RI, USA


  ~~~_/)~~




  On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on a 34
plus or 37/40.



Doug Allardyce
_/)~~~_/) 


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Re: Stus-List C&C 34 plus auto pilots

2017-10-27 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
I didn't install it but I have one and have absolutely no complaints.  Here
are some pictures.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yZU1hczd0QlNEOWc

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Oct 27, 2017 9:18 AM, "Doug Allardyce via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on a
> 34
> plus or 37/40.
>
> Doug Allardyce
> _/)~~~_/) 
>
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Re: Stus-List (no subject)

2017-10-27 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List 
Yes, I do.  I put one in a 37+ and I love it.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on a
> 34
> plus or 37/40.
>
>
>
> Doug Allardyce
> _/)~~~_/) 
>
>
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Stus-List C&C 34 plus auto pilots

2017-10-27 Thread Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on a 34
plus or 37/40.

Doug Allardyce
_/)~~~_/) 

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Stus-List (no subject)

2017-10-27 Thread Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
Does anyone out there have experience putting a below deck autopilot on a 34
plus or 37/40.



Doug Allardyce
_/)~~~_/) 

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Re: Stus-List News story

2017-10-27 Thread Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 According to the morning news, part of their rigging broke and they oatmeal, 
pasta and rice.  
Danny


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Brad Crawford via CnC-List 
 Date: 10/26/17  10:05 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List News story 
What happened to sailing?

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 4:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the 
> Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise functional 
> boat.  Apparently the crew survived as they had a water maker and a year’s 
> supply of oatmeal.  Something not add up here?  And who really has a 1 year 
> supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog? 
> 
> Gotta be more coming on this one...
> 
> John
> 
> 
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