Re: Stus-List Stainless Steel Mixing Elbows

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

When I replaced mine a few years ago, my trusty mechanic recommended the
cast iron for some reason that made perfect sense at the time but totally
eludes me now

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Brad Crawford
Subject: Stus-List Stainless Steel Mixing Elbows

 

I am in the process of replacing my Yanmar mixing elbow on our 3HM motor.
Does anyone have any experience with the stainless replacements being
offered by HDI marine out of Vancouver Wa.?  The price looks to be a little
less and they look good on the website. 

 

Thanks,

 

Brad Crawford

Dora Pearl

C&C 36

Seattle

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Re: Stus-List Diesel tank

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I also replaced my 35 year old diesel tank during a refit in 2009-2010. Same
cause of failure - pinholes in the bottom because of moisture collecting
between tank and wood platform. The seepage caused a bit of lingering diesel
smell in the boat, and I was unable to find any leaks that would explain the
smell. At least until I removed the tank.

 

I was able to get a new tank made and increase from 20 to 22 gallons. Cost
was more reasonable than yours, but then it was 7 years ago, I'm doing the
work in rural North Carolina, and paying is $US.

 

When I reinstalled the tank, I put 6 nitrile pads between it and the wood
platform to allow air to circulate. They are 6x6 (150mm?) by 1/8" thick
rubber sheets available at the local hardware store and used to make
plumbing gaskets.  Just bought some more to use as cushioning gaskets for
another project and they were $1.59 at Lowes.

 

Based on our similar experiences, owners of older boats with persistent
diesel  smell from an unknown source might want to check the bottom of their
fuel tank.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C&C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank

 

No opinion on the hoses.simply don't know.

However, a few weeks ago, I also removed my 33 years old aluminum fuel
tank.there was a pin hole in the bottom where the tank sits on the
wooden platform.  Took it to a local machine shop for their inspection and
input.  They are in the process of welding a new bottom on the tank..the
rest of the tank is fine.

I too had a difficult time getting the tank out of the locker..the same
issue.the inlet fitting was approx. 1/4" too high so I tapped the top of
it down and squeezed it out.

Told the machine shop about the difficulty removing stating that any repair
could not make it bigger otherwise I would not get it back in through the
locker.  They said "no problem, when we cut the bottom off and weld a new
one on, the tank will be 'one inch' smaller, from 12" to 11"..you will
loose approx. 1.5 gallons volume in the tank".

My response was do it..I don't really care if the tank holds 20 gallons
or 18 gals. as long as it has been adequately repaired and I can get it back
in without all the hassles of a new tank and assembling and installing the
fittings.

Talked to the machine shop yesterday..they said the tank will be ready
maybe Thursdayfinishing the welding today and then will pressure test
it.   They said the tank, after they cut the bottom off, was a like new
condition, a little dirty but no signs of corrosion anywhere.  They said the
pin hole started on the outside where it sat on the wooden
platform..water got between the tank and the wood and the action of
electrolysis caused the corrosion from the outside in.   They are going to
attach something to the bottom to keep this from happening again (as if I
will worry about it at my age (66) happening again!  Cost will be in the
$400 range for the repair.

FYI for anyone else thinking about this.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.





On 2017-11-07 10:22 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List wrote:

Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old.  Exterior looks great
but interior shows a number of corrosion issues.  Had to remove fittings and
saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed
when I did that to getting a new tank.  That said, the hidden corrosion on
the interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a
good idea. 

 

Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther's in Bristol RI who by all
accounts are the "go to" source for a tank made right in all respects.  Not
the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say
J

 

Question is replacing the hoses.  West carries the Shields brand, Defender
the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price.
Specifications are essentially identical.  Any reason to not embrace the
lower price??

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 






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Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Well, you should be using only SAE fuel hose. And the specs are the same
regardless of the manufacturer. So use whatever is less expensive.

 

You might even get a price on hose - probably Gates Rubber - from your local
NAPA store. Since it's not "Boat Hose" it's probably significantly less than
either WM or Defender.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Maryann Read via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John and Maryann Read 
Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses

 

Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old.  Exterior looks great
but interior shows a number of corrosion issues.  Had to remove fittings and
saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed
when I did that to getting a new tank.  That said, the hidden corrosion on
the interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a
good idea. 

 

Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther's in Bristol RI who by all
accounts are the "go to" source for a tank made right in all respects.  Not
the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say
:)

 

Question is replacing the hoses.  West carries the Shields brand, Defender
the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price.
Specifications are essentially identical.  Any reason to not embrace the
lower price??

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Non-marine hose may well work to keep fuel inside of itself, but auto hose in 
general isn't even close to the fire resistance of marine hose. Airplane hoses 
have fire-sleeves over them and marine hose is about 3-4 times as thick as it 
needs to be so there is a lot of rubber to burn away before it would have a 
hole in it. Auto hose has neither.

Joe
Coquina

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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 11:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses

Well, you should be using only SAE fuel hose. And the specs are the same 
regardless of the manufacturer. So use whatever is less expensive.

You might even get a price on hose - probably Gates Rubber - from your local 
NAPA store. Since it's not "Boat Hose" it's probably significantly less than 
either WM or Defender.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John and Maryann Read mailto:johnpr...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses

Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old.  Exterior looks great but 
interior shows a number of corrosion issues.  Had to remove fittings and saw 
off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed when I 
did that to getting a new tank.  That said, the hidden corrosion on the 
interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a good idea.

Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther's in Bristol RI who by all 
accounts are the "go to" source for a tank made right in all respects.  Not the 
least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say :)

Question is replacing the hoses.  West carries the Shields brand, Defender the 
Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price.  Specifications are 
essentially identical.  Any reason to not embrace the lower price??

John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT

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Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Looking for some advice/experience on this non-C&C issue:

As most of you know, I hauled the Enterprise for the winter about a month ago. 
The company that winterizes moorings has informed me this morning that a boat 
(no mast) has been on my mooring for a few weeks now (without my permission or 
knowledge.) 

The mooring is owned by me. Same with the mooring ball and gear. There is 
nothing that is attached to this mystery boat that can be considered club owned 
or public domain. 

I have reached out to the club to see if they know anything about it, but no 
response. My club is very loose when it comes to people’s property and rights. 

Anyone have any suggestions on what my next steps would be? TowBoat US doesn’t 
seem to want to touch it. Do I call the police? What would they do? What can I 
do? I’m under the impression that this falls under theft and trespassing. 

Any thoughts?  

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 










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Re: Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Edd

Have you asked the Harbormaster about it?  You'd probably get all the 
info you need right there.


Danny


On 11/9/2017 11:42 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Listers,

Looking for some advice/experience on this non-C&C issue:

As most of you know, I hauled the Enterprise for the winter about a 
month ago. The company that winterizes moorings has informed me this 
morning that a boat (no mast) has been on my mooring for a few weeks 
now (without my permission or knowledge.)


The mooring is owned by me. Same with the mooring ball and gear. There 
is nothing that is attached to this mystery boat that can be 
considered club owned or public domain.


I have reached out to the club to see if they know anything about it, 
but no response. My club is very loose when it comes to people’s 
property and rights.


Anyone have any suggestions on what my next steps would be? TowBoat US 
doesn’t seem to want to touch it. Do I call the police? What would 
they do? What can I do? I’m under the impression that this falls under 
theft and trespassing.


Any thoughts?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 







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Re: Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

This is kind of tricky.
If you just untie the boat, you can be liable for it and anything it hits.
If you leave the boat, you might be liable if your mooring lets go or they try 
and pretend it did.
If they are there for a long time, they might try and make like they own the 
mooring.
The boat could sink and drag your mooring down with it.
First people I would call are your DNR police or whatever you call the water 
cops there.
I would also leave a note on the boat.
If none of that works, midnight relocation to a marina or ??

When I caught someone on my mooring they tried to tell ME to go find another 
one. We told them they had 5 minutes before we boarded and cut them loose. That 
was plenty of time for him and his girlfriend to put their clothes back on, 
aided by our spotlights LOL

Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

Listers,

Looking for some advice/experience on this non-C&C issue:

As most of you know, I hauled the Enterprise for the winter about a month ago. 
The company that winterizes moorings has informed me this morning that a boat 
(no mast) has been on my mooring for a few weeks now (without my permission or 
knowledge.)

The mooring is owned by me. Same with the mooring ball and gear. There is 
nothing that is attached to this mystery boat that can be considered club owned 
or public domain.

I have reached out to the club to see if they know anything about it, but no 
response. My club is very loose when it comes to people’s property and rights.

Anyone have any suggestions on what my next steps would be? TowBoat US doesn’t 
seem to want to touch it. Do I call the police? What would they do? What can I 
do? I’m under the impression that this falls under theft and trespassing.

Any thoughts?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log











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Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

I have heard that if you have non marine rated hoses and have an insurance 
claim. That it can be denied. I just filed a claim for a car fire the fuel hose 
did not last long. FWIW. 


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 Original message From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
 Date: 11/9/17  08:38  (GMT-08:00) To: 
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Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses 


Non-marine hose may well work to keep fuel inside of itself, but auto hose in 
general isn’t even close to the fire resistance of marine hose. Airplane hoses 
have fire-sleeves over them and marine hose is about
 3-4 times as thick as it needs to be so there is a lot of rubber to burn away 
before it would have a hole in it. Auto hose has neither.
 
Joe
Coquina
 


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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 11:36 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Rick Brass 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses


 
Well, you should be using only SAE fuel hose. And the specs are the same 
regardless of the manufacturer. So use whatever is less expensive.
 
You might even get a price on hose – probably Gates Rubber – from your local 
NAPA store. Since it’s not “Boat Hose” it’s probably significantly less than 
either WM or Defender.
 
Rick Brass
Washington, NC
 
 
 


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On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:23 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: John and Maryann Read 

Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses


 
Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old.  Exterior looks great but 
interior shows a number of corrosion issues.  Had to remove fittings and saw 
off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed when I
 did that to getting a new tank.  That said, the hidden corrosion on the 
interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a good idea.

 
Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther’s in Bristol RI who by all 
accounts are the “go to” source for a tank made right in all respects.  Not the 
least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say
J
 
Question is replacing the hoses.  West carries the Shields brand, Defender the 
Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price.  Specifications are 
essentially identical.  Any reason to not embrace the lower price??
 
John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT
 

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Re: Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Edd,

Just so you know, you only own the tackle, not the actual “mooring” or space 
underwater in which your gear is located.  As I understand the law, if it is a 
navigable waterway, ultimately the Army Corps of Engineers has final 
jurisdiction.

Is the mooring field in any way regulated by the town, city, or county in which 
the mooring is located?  I’m assuming there’s no harbormaster or else that 
would have been your first call.  In most municipalities having public mooring 
fields, you likely pay a waterways fee or some other fee to a regulating 
authority, especially if you own your mooring tackle.  Sometimes the State EPA 
has some oversight of waterway use.   New York State Marine Police would be the 
next option if the city has no regulatory options for the harbor.  If you get 
no satisfaction from them, you can simply remove the boat from the mooring and 
let Mother Nature sort it out.

Lastly, you could call the Coast Guard and claim that there was a derelict 
vessel adrift and you prevented damaging other boats by putting it on your 
mooring.  Then ask them to retrieve it..

 

Do you pull out your mooring tackle at the end of the season to prevent damage 
from freezing etc?

If you replace your top gear with a winter stick, I would do that at your 
soonest possible time to prevent mooring poachers from latching on to your 
mooring moving forward.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Pandaram, MA

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

 

Listers,

 

Looking for some advice/experience on this non-C&C issue:

 

As most of you know, I hauled the Enterprise for the winter about a month ago. 
The company that winterizes moorings has informed me this morning that a boat 
(no mast) has been on my mooring for a few weeks now (without my permission or 
knowledge.) 

 

The mooring is owned by me. Same with the mooring ball and gear. There is 
nothing that is attached to this mystery boat that can be considered club owned 
or public domain. 

 

I have reached out to the club to see if they know anything about it, but no 
response. My club is very loose when it comes to people’s property and rights. 

 

Anyone have any suggestions on what my next steps would be? TowBoat US doesn’t 
seem to want to touch it. Do I call the police? What would they do? What can I 
do? I’m under the impression that this falls under theft and trespassing. 

 

Any thoughts?  


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  

 





   

 






 

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Re: Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Does the boat have a current registration? Your state Marine Board should
be able to tell you who the owner is, and how to get in touch with
him/her.  In Portland, there are some homeless people who live on run down
boats.  Perhaps there is a homeless person using it, or it might be a
stolen boat.  Good luck.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Looking for some advice/experience on this non-C&C issue:
>
> As most of you know, I hauled the Enterprise for the winter about a month
> ago. The company that winterizes moorings has informed me this morning that
> a boat (no mast) has been on my mooring for a few weeks now (without my
> permission or knowledge.)
>
> The mooring is owned by me. Same with the mooring ball and gear. There is
> nothing that is attached to this mystery boat that can be considered club
> owned or public domain.
>
> I have reached out to the club to see if they know anything about it, but
> no response. My club is very loose when it comes to people’s property and
> rights.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on what my next steps would be? TowBoat US
> doesn’t seem to want to touch it. Do I call the police? What would they do?
> What can I do? I’m under the impression that this falls under theft and
> trespassing.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Rose City YC
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Re: Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

First, I'd search the laws and regulations concerning that particular
mooring field.  What documents do you have concerning your right to your
gear and that location, i.e. permits, etc.?  Like this:

http://codes.findlaw.com/ny/navigation-law/nav-sect-46-a.html

Once you determine what your rights are and have located and re-read your
permitting documents, call the public safety department which has
jurisdiction over the mooring field.

The bad news is you may have to start an eviction process which may take
several weeks.  The good news, you don't need the mooring for several
months.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Looking for some advice/experience on this non-C&C issue:
>
> As most of you know, I hauled the Enterprise for the winter about a month
> ago. The company that winterizes moorings has informed me this morning that
> a boat (no mast) has been on my mooring for a few weeks now (without my
> permission or knowledge.)
>
> The mooring is owned by me. Same with the mooring ball and gear. There is
> nothing that is attached to this mystery boat that can be considered club
> owned or public domain.
>
> I have reached out to the club to see if they know anything about it, but
> no response. My club is very loose when it comes to people’s property and
> rights.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on what my next steps would be? TowBoat US
> doesn’t seem to want to touch it. Do I call the police? What would they do?
> What can I do? I’m under the impression that this falls under theft and
> trespassing.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Anchor advice - Rocna or Mantus

[Doug Welch via CnC-List]

I am in the market for a new anchor for my 33-2 and have narrowed it down to 
either Rocna 15 or Mantus 33. Any advice
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Re: Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Thanks to all for the comments and local/national laws. 

Update: I finally heard back from a Moorings and Ways Chairman, who said that 
the boat was supposed to be on someone else’s mooring, not mine. The are 
reaching out to the owner of the other mooring and will relocate the boat ASAP. 

If it’s not gone by Monday morning, I’ll contact the coast guard and cops. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 







> On Nov 9, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> First, I'd search the laws and regulations concerning that particular mooring 
> field.  What documents do you have concerning your right to your gear and 
> that location, i.e. permits, etc.?  Like this:
> 
> http://codes.findlaw.com/ny/navigation-law/nav-sect-46-a.html 
> 
> 
> Once you determine what your rights are and have located and re-read your 
> permitting documents, call the public safety department which has 
> jurisdiction over the mooring field.  
> 
> The bad news is you may have to start an eviction process which may take 
> several weeks.  The good news, you don't need the mooring for several months.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Listers,
> 
> Looking for some advice/experience on this non-C&C issue:
> 
> As most of you know, I hauled the Enterprise for the winter about a month 
> ago. The company that winterizes moorings has informed me this morning that a 
> boat (no mast) has been on my mooring for a few weeks now (without my 
> permission or knowledge.) 
> 
> The mooring is owned by me. Same with the mooring ball and gear. There is 
> nothing that is attached to this mystery boat that can be considered club 
> owned or public domain. 
> 
> I have reached out to the club to see if they know anything about it, but no 
> response. My club is very loose when it comes to people’s property and 
> rights. 
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions on what my next steps would be? TowBoat US 
> doesn’t seem to want to touch it. Do I call the police? What would they do? 
> What can I do? I’m under the impression that this falls under theft and 
> trespassing. 
> 
> Any thoughts?  
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List C&C MK II 35' Renovated, $11, 000 CDN | City of HAMILTON, Ontario| Kijiji

[Don Harben via CnC-List]

Hi

No knowledge or affiliation but near enough to go look and take pictures

Don V34
Oakville

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Stus-List New Owner of C&C 29 Mk I and Datamarine

[JAN MAGEE via CnC-List]

Hello,This is my first post to the list.  I have been following for a while 
after purchasing a 1979 C&C 29 Mark I  hull #658 with a Yanmar 2QM15 last year. 
 

The boat was on the hard close to the Welland Canal not far from the original 
C&C plant in Virgil (given the CCY on the HIN, I think that is where she was 
built - please correct me if I am wrong).
I had a pre-purchase survey done with the surveyor spending 4 hours going over 
the boat.  Although his report indicated no major issues, several critical ones 
were overlooked resulting in an unplanned busy year of repair work. Too bad I 
did not know about this amazing community of C&C owners at that time!  Luckily 
my past experience building a couple of boats using the West System helped.  On 
the other hand, doing a lot of the work with only battery powered tools due to 
extra high water levels on Lake Ontario this year was tedious and slow.  
Walking down the dock covered in 18" of water provides an interesting 
perspective on moored boats and some very creative boarding solutions. 

Major projects to date include: 
- rehab the Harken Unit 0 furler - now affectionately known as the 
Franken-Furler- re-wiring the mast including installation of conduit- 
replacement of transverse floor rib at the aft end of the keel (it was rotten 
through to the outboard ends and totally missed by the surveyor)- replacement 
of fuel tank support (rotten on port side - and also missed by surveyor)- 
replaced cockpit drain hoses- removed, cleaned and re-plumbed water tank since 
it had to come out to permit the rib repair- replaced head pump- and then the 
endless list of ongoing maintenance and improvement activities that make the 
boat your own. 

About me - A life long sailor, club-racer for many years (crewing on a Mirage 
30 and then skippering my own Tanzer 26) out of Highland Yacht Club, and 
managed to bring home some hardware in the process. 12 years ago we sold the 
Tanzer to spend time with our 2 sons and their activities which thankfully also 
included sailing (2 Lasers I and II, plus an Access 2.3 dinghy now grace the 
garage).  My younger son has cerebral palsy and is wheelchair bound, but the 
Access is a design wonder and he can skipper that himself). 

In 2016 while my father was in palliative care for 9 months it got me thinking 
- "If that was me, and I had not got back into sailing, I would hate myself".  
I'd been "looking" (not seriously) for years anyway, so whether mid-life crisis 
or something else, the task was taken on in earnest.  With an appreciation for 
beautiful, well designed and well built boats it had to be a C&C and the 29 Mk 
I was it.  Have had countless comments "THAT is a nice looking boat" mostly at 
launch and haulout as it flies past suspended from the crane.
Originally named Caveat, then Dulas Buoys (don't ask), she is now BOOMERANG - 
because we came back. 

On the Datamarine side, there is currently a Link 5000 system on the boat which 
I'd like to keep if possible as it suits the vintage.  However the 550 Remote 
unit is not working and the mast head unit is missing the entire wind speed 
unit (not just the cups).  The round-trip cost to send it to DMI for repair 
plus duty and exchange is ugly.  Have been scanning the online garage sales but 
no luck so far.  If anyone has any of this gear that they've replaced with 
something else but is still serviceable can you please let me know.  Else I'll 
be visiting the Toronto Boat Show in the new year to replace the entire rig. 

Glad to be a part of the C&C legacy and I like your style as a community.  The 
right mix of experience, sharing, humor and seriousness. 

Paul SaxtonBoomerang1979 C&C 29 Mk I #658Toronto, ON

   

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Re: Stus-List New Owner of C&C 29 Mk I and Datamarine

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

FWIW:
I have an ancient Frankenstein lab collection of old electronics I keep fixing 
and scavenging parts for. My autopilot, for one example, has been in continuous 
use from about 1988 to now. I think I could build 2 or three more from all my 
spare parts.
So take this warning – keeping this ancient stuff alive gets harder by the 
second. I really would try to go modern with the instruments.
YMMV
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JAN MAGEE 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: JAN MAGEE 
Subject: Stus-List New Owner of C&C 29 Mk I and Datamarine

Hello,
This is my first post to the list.  I have been following for a while after 
purchasing a 1979 C&C 29 Mark I  hull #658 with a Yanmar 2QM15 last year.

The boat was on the hard close to the Welland Canal not far from the original 
C&C plant in Virgil (given the CCY on the HIN, I think that is where she was 
built - please correct me if I am wrong).

I had a pre-purchase survey done with the surveyor spending 4 hours going over 
the boat.  Although his report indicated no major issues, several critical ones 
were overlooked resulting in an unplanned busy year of repair work. Too bad I 
did not know about this amazing community of C&C owners at that time!  Luckily 
my past experience building a couple of boats using the West System helped.  On 
the other hand, doing a lot of the work with only battery powered tools due to 
extra high water levels on Lake Ontario this year was tedious and slow.  
Walking down the dock covered in 18" of water provides an interesting 
perspective on moored boats and some very creative boarding solutions.

Major projects to date include:
- rehab the Harken Unit 0 furler - now affectionately known as the 
Franken-Furler
- re-wiring the mast including installation of conduit
- replacement of transverse floor rib at the aft end of the keel (it was rotten 
through to the outboard ends and totally missed by the surveyor)
- replacement of fuel tank support (rotten on port side - and also missed by 
surveyor)
- replaced cockpit drain hoses
- removed, cleaned and re-plumbed water tank since it had to come out to permit 
the rib repair
- replaced head pump
- and then the endless list of ongoing maintenance and improvement activities 
that make the boat your own.

About me - A life long sailor, club-racer for many years (crewing on a Mirage 
30 and then skippering my own Tanzer 26) out of Highland Yacht Club, and 
managed to bring home some hardware in the process. 12 years ago we sold the 
Tanzer to spend time with our 2 sons and their activities which thankfully also 
included sailing (2 Lasers I and II, plus an Access 2.3 dinghy now grace the 
garage).  My younger son has cerebral palsy and is wheelchair bound, but the 
Access is a design wonder and he can skipper that himself).

In 2016 while my father was in palliative care for 9 months it got me thinking 
- "If that was me, and I had not got back into sailing, I would hate myself".  
I'd been "looking" (not seriously) for years anyway, so whether mid-life crisis 
or something else, the task was taken on in earnest.  With an appreciation for 
beautiful, well designed and well built boats it had to be a C&C and the 29 Mk 
I was it.  Have had countless comments "THAT is a nice looking boat" mostly at 
launch and haulout as it flies past suspended from the crane.

Originally named Caveat, then Dulas Buoys (don't ask), she is now BOOMERANG - 
because we came back.

On the Datamarine side, there is currently a Link 5000 system on the boat which 
I'd like to keep if possible as it suits the vintage.  However the 550 Remote 
unit is not working and the mast head unit is missing the entire wind speed 
unit (not just the cups).  The round-trip cost to send it to DMI for repair 
plus duty and exchange is ugly.  Have been scanning the online garage sales but 
no luck so far.  If anyone has any of this gear that they've replaced with 
something else but is still serviceable can you please let me know.  Else I'll 
be visiting the Toronto Boat Show in the new year to replace the entire rig.

Glad to be a part of the C&C legacy and I like your style as a community.  The 
right mix of experience, sharing, humor and seriousness.

Paul Saxton
Boomerang
1979 C&C 29 Mk I #658
Toronto, ON



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Re: Stus-List Anchor advice - Rocna or Mantus

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Doug,


I recently gone through the same process.  I think both the Rocna and the 
Mantus are great anchors.  I ended up getting a Vulcan which is made by the 
Rocna folks.  If I could choose over again, I would still choose the Vulcan.
Best setting and holding anchor I have ever used.   That said, I have thought 
about getting a large Mantus as a back up cruising anchor as it can be 
disassembled, stored, and forgotten until needed. 




-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 17:32:25 + (UTC)
> From: Doug Welch mailto:doug.we...@rogers.com>>
> To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Anchor advice - Rocna or Mantus
> Message-ID: <1629310713.5217893.1510248745...@mail.yahoo.com 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I am in the market for a new anchor for my 33-2 and have narrowed it down to 
> either Rocna 15 or Mantus 33. Any advice
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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Re: Stus-List New Owner of C&C 29 Mk I and Datamarine

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

1979 CC& 29 mk1 where built in Rhode Island, USA.  


> On Nov 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> From: JAN MAGEE mailto:pdsax...@rogers.com>>
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com " 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List New Owner of C&C 29 Mk I and Datamarine
> Message-ID: <1245849015.6529537.1510258428...@mail.yahoo.com 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hello,This is my first post to the list.? I have been following for a while 
> after purchasing a 1979 C&C 29 Mark I? hull #658 with a Yanmar 2QM15 last 
> year.? 
> 
> The boat was on the hard close to the Welland Canal not far from the original 
> C&C plant in Virgil (given the CCY on the HIN, I think that is where she was 
> built - please correct me if I am wrong).
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Re: Stus-List New Owner of C&C 29 Mk I and Datamarine

[Don Harben via CnC-List]

Hi Jan,Welcome back to the water!I have two laundry baskets of Signet and Datamarine instrument bits and pieces that nurtured my C&C 24 and myC&C 29 mk1. I may have something that might be helpful here in Oakville. Contact me off list.DonViking 34www.ncyc.caOn Nov 9, 2017, at 3:13 PM, JAN MAGEE via CnC-List  wrote:On the Datamarine side, there is currently a Link 5000 system on the boat which I'd like to keep if possible as it suits the vintage.  However the 550 Remote unit is not working and the mast head unit is missing the entire wind speed unit (not just the cups).  The round-trip cost to send it to DMI for repair plus duty and exchange is ugly.  Have been scanning the online garage sales but no luck so far.  If anyone has any of this gear that they've replaced with something else but is still serviceable can you please let me know.  Else I'll be visiting the Toronto Boat Show in the new year to replace the entire rig. Glad to be a part of the C&C legacy and I like your style as a community.  The right mix of experience, sharing, humor and seriousness. Paul SaxtonBoomerang1979 C&C 29 Mk I #658Toronto, ON   ___Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Re: Stus-List C&C MK II 35' Renovated, $11, 000 CDN | City of HAMILTON, Ontario| Kijiji

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

That boat had been listed there all year with bi-monthly price drops as the
seller got more desperate.
On the plus side it is a 35 Mk1 (not a Mk2 as stated in the ad) but the
cabin layout mods don't do it any favours.
The price is cheap but it is someone else's work in progress.

Rick Taillieu
Boatless 
Leamington, Ontario



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Harben via CnC-List
Sent: November-09-17 12:58
To: cnc-list
Cc: Don Harben
Subject: Stus-List C&C MK II 35' Renovated, $11, 000 CDN | City of HAMILTON,
Ontario| Kijiji

Hi

No knowledge or affiliation but near enough to go look and take pictures

Don V34
Oakville

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/city-of-toronto/must-go-c-c-mk-ii-35-renova
ted-ready-to-be-put-in-water/1311842805


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Re: Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834&highlight=cast+adrift

Jerry 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> First, I'd search the laws and regulations concerning that particular mooring 
> field.  What documents do you have concerning your right to your gear and 
> that location, i.e. permits, etc.?  Like this:
> 
> http://codes.findlaw.com/ny/navigation-law/nav-sect-46-a.html
> 
> Once you determine what your rights are and have located and re-read your 
> permitting documents, call the public safety department which has 
> jurisdiction over the mooring field.  
> 
> The bad news is you may have to start an eviction process which may take 
> several weeks.  The good news, you don't need the mooring for several months.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Listers,
>> 
>> Looking for some advice/experience on this non-C&C issue:
>> 
>> As most of you know, I hauled the Enterprise for the winter about a month 
>> ago. The company that winterizes moorings has informed me this morning that 
>> a boat (no mast) has been on my mooring for a few weeks now (without my 
>> permission or knowledge.) 
>> 
>> The mooring is owned by me. Same with the mooring ball and gear. There is 
>> nothing that is attached to this mystery boat that can be considered club 
>> owned or public domain. 
>> 
>> I have reached out to the club to see if they know anything about it, but no 
>> response. My club is very loose when it comes to people’s property and 
>> rights. 
>> 
>> Anyone have any suggestions on what my next steps would be? TowBoat US 
>> doesn’t seem to want to touch it. Do I call the police? What would they do? 
>> What can I do? I’m under the impression that this falls under theft and 
>> trespassing. 
>> 
>> Any thoughts?  
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> 
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY 
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I never suggested using automotive hose for a boat fuel system. Rather, I
said there were other places to buy suitable hose, including an auto parts
store.

 

46CFR Chapter I, Subchapter T, part 182.720E requires that flexible fuel
hose used in construction of small passenger vessels meets the requirement
of SAE J-1942. J-1942 is essentially SAE J30R2 hydraulic hose with a higher
melting point.

Gates C5M hose meets these requirements. Trident does not offer a hose in
their catalog that does.

 

USCG requirements for fuel hose used in small recreational vessels have USCG
standards A1 and A2, both of which are met by SAE J-1527 (which is similar
to ABYC H-33). Trident fuel hoses all meet J-1527. A number of automotive
hose providers - including Goodyear - offer J-1527 hose.

 

Remember SAE stands for Society of Automotive Engineers. Manufacturers who
cater to automotive markets have higher production volumes and economies of
scale (and maybe scope) vs. marine product manufacturers. And the auto parts
market is a lot more competitive than the boat parts market. 

 

So pick your poison: J-1527 or the commercial J-1942 hose. And then check to
see how inexpensively you can get the hose from multiple sources.

 

BTW, Joe, fuel hose on aircraft just has to be "suitable" for the
application, but the requirement for the fire sleeve is in 14CFR!,C,23,e.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Barba, Joe a CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses

 

Non-marine hose may well work to keep fuel inside of itself, but auto hose
in general isn't even close to the fire resistance of marine hose. Airplane
hoses have fire-sleeves over them and marine hose is about 3-4 times as
thick as it needs to be so there is a lot of rubber to burn away before it
would have a hole in it. Auto hose has neither.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

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Brass via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 11:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses

 

Well, you should be using only SAE fuel hose. And the specs are the same
regardless of the manufacturer. So use whatever is less expensive.

 

You might even get a price on hose - probably Gates Rubber - from your local
NAPA store. Since it's not "Boat Hose" it's probably significantly less than
either WM or Defender.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Maryann Read via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: John and Maryann Read mailto:johnpr...@comcast.net> >
Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses

 

Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old.  Exterior looks great
but interior shows a number of corrosion issues.  Had to remove fittings and
saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed
when I did that to getting a new tank.  That said, the hidden corrosion on
the interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a
good idea. 

 

Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther's in Bristol RI who by all
accounts are the "go to" source for a tank made right in all respects.  Not
the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say
:)

 

Question is replacing the hoses.  West carries the Shields brand, Defender
the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price.
Specifications are essentially identical.  Any reason to not embrace the
lower price??

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Re: Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Edd, I hate to say it but you’re involved in a bucket of s … well, let’s say a 
can of worms.

 

Some states have abandoned and derelict boat laws, most don’t seem to. And 
local laws are sometimes conflicting and hard to find. (For example, the local 
regulations in New Bern, NC are part of the local zoning code and Oriental, NC 
– where there are more sailboats than people – has no regulation at all.) I 
wouldn’t expect too much from the USCG because they seem to be pretty 
disinterested unless the offending boat is a hazard to navigation. I’m rapidly 
gaining expertise on this because of growing problems we’re having in the 
harbor an Washington, NC, where I manage the municipal marina.

 

In North Carolina you can send a registered letter to the last owner of record 
for the offending boat. If he doesn’t claim the letter in 30 days, or if he 
gets the letter but does nothing, you can go to the State and apply for title 
to the vessel, which takes another couple of weeks. Then you can move, sell, 
dispose of, or scrap the boat because it is yours.

 

I’d start by contacting the state agency that handles registration of boats in 
the state where the boat is currently. They can tell you what your options are.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 12:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mooring Rights -- Any "Sea Lawyers" on the List?

 

Thanks to all for the comments and local/national laws. 

 

Update: I finally heard back from a Moorings and Ways Chairman, who said that 
the boat was supposed to be on someone else’s mooring, not mine. The are 
reaching out to the owner of the other mooring and will relocate the boat ASAP. 

 

If it’s not gone by Monday morning, I’ll contact the coast guard and cops. 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  

 




 










On Nov 9, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

First, I'd search the laws and regulations concerning that particular mooring 
field.  What documents do you have concerning your right to your gear and that 
location, i.e. permits, etc.?  Like this:

 

http://codes.findlaw.com/ny/navigation-law/nav-sect-46-a.html

 

Once you determine what your rights are and have located and re-read your 
permitting documents, call the public safety department which has jurisdiction 
over the mooring field.  

 

The bad news is you may have to start an eviction process which may take 
several weeks.  The good news, you don't need the mooring for several months.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Listers,

 

Looking for some advice/experience on this non-C&C issue:

 

As most of you know, I hauled the Enterprise for the winter about a month ago. 
The company that winterizes moorings has informed me this morning that a boat 
(no mast) has been on my mooring for a few weeks now (without my permission or 
knowledge.) 

 

The mooring is owned by me. Same with the mooring ball and gear. There is 
nothing that is attached to this mystery boat that can be considered club owned 
or public domain. 

 

I have reached out to the club to see if they know anything about it, but no 
response. My club is very loose when it comes to people’s property and rights. 

 

Anyone have any suggestions on what my next steps would be? TowBoat US doesn’t 
seem to want to touch it. Do I call the police? What would they do? What can I 
do? I’m under the impression that this falls under theft and trespassing. 

 

Any thoughts?  


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  

 








 






 


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