Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Well, I paid about 20% fewer dollars in 2016, for both boat and trailer, than 
the first purchaser paid in 1972 for the boat alone - not even considering the 
difference in purchasing power between a 1972 dollar and a 2016 dollar.

I agree with you that what gets inflated is the money supply - the number of 
dollars in circulation. It takes six more dollars in 2016 to buy the same thing 
you could get in 1972 with one dollar; the purchasing power of a 1972 dollar 
was six times that of a 2016 dollar.

If my boat had held 100% of its original value, and cost $120,000 in 2016 
dollars due to inflation of the money supply over 44 years and lower purchasing 
power of a 2016 dollar compared to a 1972 dollar, I sure as hell couldn’t have 
afforded it :)

Cheers,
Randy

> On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd kind of disagree...
> 
> Technically, boat didn't depreciate very much.  It inflation that's taking 
> down the value of today's dollars.
> 
> Depreciation is the reduction in $ value over time, and from a tax writeoff 
> perspective, a $20,000 asset owned by a business would be written off over a 
> specified period of time, presumably to the point it would be worth $0.  
> 
> Its just that $20,000 won't buy you a new sailboat any longer!   
>  
> Bruce Whitmore
> 
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list  
> Cc: Randy Stafford ; Patrick Davin 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
> 
> According to C brochures that came with Grenadine, the C 30 MK I base 
> price as at September 13, 1976 was $27,200.  As at September 1, 1977 it had 
> increased to $30,450.
> 
> I don’t have information on how much her first owner paid for her in 1972.  
> I’d guess ~$20,000 if the base price tracked with inflation.  That’s 
> ~$120,000 in today’s dollars.  And I bought the boat (and its trailer) for 
> $16,500 two years ago.  Poor thing obviously depreciated a lot.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Wow. That's $123,000 in today's dollars. (20k in 1971 = 123k today). 
>> Important to compare real values, not nominal values - inflation over 47 
>> years is very significant!  Still not bad, a 35' production boat today goes 
>> a bit more than that I think. 
>> 
>> Would be interesting if anyone has a 1980's number. The 70's after about '73 
>> had massive inflation - 
>> https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp 
>> 
>> 
>> Dennis I suspect the note to not install genoa winches is because the owner 
>> wanted a particular placement of them (the line after that says "put in the 
>> boat loose w/ fastenings"). 
>> 
>> -Patrick
>> '84 LF38
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:59 PM, > > wrote:
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Dennis C." >
>> To: CnClist >
>> Cc: 
>> Bcc: 
>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
>> Paul,
>> 
>> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
>> from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
>> $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
>> more.
>> 
>> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
>> cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/open? id= 1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuF gb5 
>> 
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
>> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for 
>> in 1981 or thereabouts?
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Paul E.
>> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
>> S/V Johanna Rose
>> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>> 
>> http://svjohannarose.blogspot. com/ 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Hard bimini?

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

We've never felt that need.  Just curious, did that tendency arise after you 
put on the Dodger or is it because of the dodger you want night to improve your 
field of view?
Thanks for all your insights,
Bruce Whitmore  


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 Date: 2/15/18  10:58 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: C List 
 Cc: Josh Muckley  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Hard bimini? 
Both my wife and I prefer the vantage and the bench corners tend to provide a 
more sturdy foot hold.
Josh
On Feb 15, 2018 10:32 PM, "bwhitmore via CnC-List"  
wrote:
Just curious Josh, whu do you stand on the benches?
Bruce Whitmore 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 Date: 2/15/18  9:59 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: C List 
 Cc: Josh Muckley  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Hard bimini? 
The pictures in this link are my brain storming image mock ups.  I stand on the 
benches constantly so having head room is extremely important.  Of course with 
head room means boom interference.  My imagination is that the bimini extends 
behind the cockpit in a reflection of the reverse transom.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwNze1nnSQ2-fktxdFRDXzRFQWl3SEVSRmpSaDY2YkVIMEEyeHdKUHJNNWFfeU9DQnoyMHc
Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+Solomons, MD 
On Feb 14, 2018 11:46 AM, "Bruce via CnC-List"  wrote:
I should know more in the not too distant future.  Hard-to-Top is sending me 
sample material, and if I like it, I think I’ll move forward with it in the 
next 30 days or so. I’ll keep everyone posted, Bruce Whitmore1994 C 37/40+ 
“Astralis”Madeira Beach, FL847.404.5092 From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Hard bimini?  I too am interested in this, my Bimini 
needs a lot of stitching right now LGoogle-Fu shows some creative cheap 
solutions. Maryland watermen never met an old piece of plywood they couldn’t 
nail onto a crab boat for shade and shelter and people have just attached 
plywood to their Bimini frame. I have also heard of using 4x8 foot fiberglass 
sheets sold at Home Depot for shower installs and they are pretty cheap too and 
never rot. The next idea isn’t exactly cheap, but does serve two functions: Get 
solar panels big enough and bolt them together and use the panels themselves 
for the covering. I think I would be in the 200-400 watt range that way! The 
latest Good Old Boat has an article about making a hard Bimini yourself as 
well.  JoeCoquina C 35 MK I (If have no pride but hate sun, rumor has it 
Harbor Freight blue tarps are cheap)
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Re: Stus-List Hard bimini?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Both my wife and I prefer the vantage and the bench corners tend to provide
a more sturdy foot hold.

Josh

On Feb 15, 2018 10:32 PM, "bwhitmore via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Just curious Josh, whu do you stand on the benches?
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> Date: 2/15/18 9:59 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: C List 
> Cc: Josh Muckley 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Hard bimini?
>
> The pictures in this link are my brain storming image mock ups.  I stand
> on the benches constantly so having head room is extremely important.  Of
> course with head room means boom interference.  My imagination is that the
> bimini extends behind the cockpit in a reflection of the reverse transom.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwNze1nnSQ2-
> fktxdFRDXzRFQWl3SEVSRmpSaDY2YkVIMEEyeHdKUHJNNWFfeU9DQnoyMHc
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Feb 14, 2018 11:46 AM, "Bruce via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> I should know more in the not too distant future.  Hard-to-Top is sending
>> me sample material, and if I like it, I think I’ll move forward with it in
>> the next 30 days or so.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll keep everyone posted,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce Whitmore
>>
>> 1994 C 37/40+ “Astralis”
>>
>> Madeira Beach, FL
>>
>> 847.404.5092 <(847)%20404-5092>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della
>> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:25 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Hard bimini?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I too am interested in this, my Bimini needs a lot of stitching right now
>> L
>>
>> Google-Fu shows some creative cheap solutions. Maryland watermen never
>> met an old piece of plywood they couldn’t nail onto a crab boat for shade
>> and shelter and people have just attached plywood to their Bimini frame. I
>> have also heard of using 4x8 foot fiberglass sheets sold at Home Depot for
>> shower installs and they are pretty cheap too and never rot. The next idea
>> isn’t exactly cheap, but does serve two functions: Get solar panels big
>> enough and bolt them together and use the panels themselves for the
>> covering. I think I would be in the 200-400 watt range that way!
>>
>> The latest Good Old Boat has an article about making a hard Bimini
>> yourself as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>> C 35 MK I
>>
>>
>>
>> (If have no pride but hate sun, rumor has it Harbor Freight blue tarps
>> are cheap)
>>
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Re: Stus-List Hard bimini?

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Just curious Josh, whu do you stand on the benches?
Bruce Whitmore 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 Date: 2/15/18  9:59 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: C List 
 Cc: Josh Muckley  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Hard bimini? 
The pictures in this link are my brain storming image mock ups.  I stand on the 
benches constantly so having head room is extremely important.  Of course with 
head room means boom interference.  My imagination is that the bimini extends 
behind the cockpit in a reflection of the reverse transom.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwNze1nnSQ2-fktxdFRDXzRFQWl3SEVSRmpSaDY2YkVIMEEyeHdKUHJNNWFfeU9DQnoyMHc
Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+Solomons, MD 
On Feb 14, 2018 11:46 AM, "Bruce via CnC-List"  wrote:
I should know more in the not too distant future.  Hard-to-Top is sending me 
sample material, and if I like it, I think I’ll move forward with it in the 
next 30 days or so. I’ll keep everyone posted, Bruce Whitmore1994 C 37/40+ 
“Astralis”Madeira Beach, FL847.404.5092 From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Hard bimini?  I too am interested in this, my Bimini 
needs a lot of stitching right now LGoogle-Fu shows some creative cheap 
solutions. Maryland watermen never met an old piece of plywood they couldn’t 
nail onto a crab boat for shade and shelter and people have just attached 
plywood to their Bimini frame. I have also heard of using 4x8 foot fiberglass 
sheets sold at Home Depot for shower installs and they are pretty cheap too and 
never rot. The next idea isn’t exactly cheap, but does serve two functions: Get 
solar panels big enough and bolt them together and use the panels themselves 
for the covering. I think I would be in the 200-400 watt range that way! The 
latest Good Old Boat has an article about making a hard Bimini yourself as 
well.  JoeCoquina C 35 MK I (If have no pride but hate sun, rumor has it 
Harbor Freight blue tarps are cheap)
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I have the original documentation for my boat, too.  Design #75-12; $124,500 
U.S. Funds (1976); price includes loading for road transit or commissioning at 
Oakville, Ontario.

From: Dreuge via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Dreuge 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

Dennis, 

Amazing that you still have the original documentation.   Thanks for sharing.


Paul


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


  On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:59 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

  Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
  From: "Dennis C." 
  To: CnClist 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
  Message-ID:
  
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

  Paul,

  Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971
  order from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of
  $18,760 with $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have
  been a wee bit more.

  Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
  or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5

  Dennis C.
  Touche' 35-1 #83
  Mandeville, LA




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Re: Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My Martec runs very smoothly with a couple small harmonics at different
rpm's.  That's normal for nearly all drive trains.

Forward power is good.  I think my prop is a wee bit underpitched.  I can
get hull speed with a clean bottom and max rpm but only 6.4-6.5 at cruise
rpm (80% max).

I really haven't had any issue with opening, closing, etc.  I think the
Martec is a good choice for folks who race and want minimal drag.  If my
use was only cruising, I'd probably have a different prop.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:27 PM, Bruce via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Well, thankfully (or not) I found the pin, which is a good thing, except
> that it was clearly broken during the removal process.  At least I have
> something to measure.  The pin is really pretty tight in one blade, but a
> little sloppy on the other, so yes, it will need to be refurbished.
>
>
>
> Interestingly, I can get to my prop shaft very easily by removing an
> inspection panel in the cabin sole, so aligning the prop  will be no big
> deal at all.
>
>
>
> How do you feel about vibration (presumably the refurbishment would take
> care of a lot of the potential problems) and forward power?
>
>
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
>
>
> Bruce C. Whitmore
>
> 1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”
>
> Madeira Beach, FL
>
> 847.404.5092 <(847)%20404-5092>
>
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:02 PM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
>
>
> You're not going to get a lot of positive comments about Martec props on
> this list.  You'll get a lot of suggestions about this prop and that prop.
>
>
>
> Having said that, I have a Martec Elliptical on Touche'.  While it might
> not be everyone's favorite, I don't have any problems with it.  Sure, I
> have to drop down into a cockpit locker to align it before a race or a long
> sail but that's the nature of non-geared folding props.
>
>
>
> As for rev erse, I back into my home slip without any issue at all.  Just
> need a bit of practice and anticipation and you'll be good to go (or back
> up).
>
>
>
> I've dealt with Martec a couple times and found them to be fairly
> responsive.  They should be able to send you whatever parts you need.
>
>
>
> One thing to be aware of with Martec props.  They have 3 "lives".  With
> use, the pin holes in the blades will begin to wallow out and the blades
> will start to become loose on the pin.  The fix is to return the prop to
> Martec where they will, for a price, recondition it.  Part of the
> reconditioning process is to re-bore the hub and blades for a larger pin.
> You can only do this twice.  Hence the 3 lives, the original life plus 2
> rebuilds.
>
>
>
> So, before you send the prop to Martec for reconditioning, measure the pin
> diameter and call them to see how many lives it has left.
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Bruce via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I have a fixed, 3 bladed prop on Astralis currently, and suspect that its
> slowing us down here in Florida where we just don’t get the wind like we
> did on Lake Michigan, so we rarely see much over 12 kts or so.  I’m
> thinking I’d like to get a little more speed out of her, and one area of
> improvement could be the fixed prop.
>
>
>
> In the pile of old parts that the prior owner left us, I found an old, and
> obviously used Martec Eliptec RH18DX12P-3, two blade folding prop (it is
> not geared).  I have the blades and hub, but at the moment cannot find the
> center pin.  It seems like Martec may still be in the business of repairing
> these props.
>
>
>
> I’ve read some of the various reviews, and I understand there are better
> solutions out there, but clearly I’d be dropping a few boat bucks to pull
> it off.
>
>
>
> Do any of you have direct experience with the Martec Eliptec, and can
> advise me whether I’ll hate this thing from a performance or vibration
> point of view if I get a pin and put it on the boat?
>
>
>
> I am OK with somewhat limited reverse, but would be anxious if I was
> giving up a lot of forward power.  And, I really don’t want a lot of
> vibration, especially if it’s going to do things like tear up the cutlass
> bearing.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your insights!
>
>
>
> Bruce C. Whitmore
>
> 1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”
>
> Madeira Beach, FL
>
> 847.404.5092 <(847)%20404-5092>
>
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Hard bimini?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The pictures in this link are my brain storming image mock ups.  I stand on
the benches constantly so having head room is extremely important.  Of
course with head room means boom interference.  My imagination is that the
bimini extends behind the cockpit in a reflection of the reverse transom.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwNze1nnSQ2-fktxdFRDXzRFQWl3SEVSRmpSaDY2YkVIMEEyeHdKUHJNNWFfeU9DQnoyMHc

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Feb 14, 2018 11:46 AM, "Bruce via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I should know more in the not too distant future.  Hard-to-Top is sending
> me sample material, and if I like it, I think I’ll move forward with it in
> the next 30 days or so.
>
>
>
> I’ll keep everyone posted,
>
>
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
> 1994 C 37/40+ “Astralis”
>
> Madeira Beach, FL
>
> 847.404.5092 <(847)%20404-5092>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:25 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Hard bimini?
>
>
>
>
>
> I too am interested in this, my Bimini needs a lot of stitching right now
> L
>
> Google-Fu shows some creative cheap solutions. Maryland watermen never met
> an old piece of plywood they couldn’t nail onto a crab boat for shade and
> shelter and people have just attached plywood to their Bimini frame. I have
> also heard of using 4x8 foot fiberglass sheets sold at Home Depot for
> shower installs and they are pretty cheap too and never rot. The next idea
> isn’t exactly cheap, but does serve two functions: Get solar panels big
> enough and bolt them together and use the panels themselves for the
> covering. I think I would be in the 200-400 watt range that way!
>
> The latest Good Old Boat has an article about making a hard Bimini
> yourself as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> (If have no pride but hate sun, rumor has it Harbor Freight blue tarps are
> cheap)
>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

[Bruce via CnC-List]

Well, thankfully (or not) I found the pin, which is a good thing, except that 
it was clearly broken during the removal process.  At least I have something to 
measure.  The pin is really pretty tight in one blade, but a little sloppy on 
the other, so yes, it will need to be refurbished.  

 

Interestingly, I can get to my prop shaft very easily by removing an inspection 
panel in the cabin sole, so aligning the prop  will be no big deal at all.

 

How do you feel about vibration (presumably the refurbishment would take care 
of a lot of the potential problems) and forward power?

 

Kindest Regards,

 

Bruce C. Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”

Madeira Beach, FL

847.404.5092

bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:02 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

 

Bruce,

 

You're not going to get a lot of positive comments about Martec props on this 
list.  You'll get a lot of suggestions about this prop and that prop.

 

Having said that, I have a Martec Elliptical on Touche'.  While it might not be 
everyone's favorite, I don't have any problems with it.  Sure, I have to drop 
down into a cockpit locker to align it before a race or a long sail but that's 
the nature of non-geared folding props.

 

As for rev erse, I back into my home slip without any issue at all.  Just need 
a bit of practice and anticipation and you'll be good to go (or back up).

 

I've dealt with Martec a couple times and found them to be fairly responsive.  
They should be able to send you whatever parts you need.  

 

One thing to be aware of with Martec props.  They have 3 "lives".  With use, 
the pin holes in the blades will begin to wallow out and the blades will start 
to become loose on the pin.  The fix is to return the prop to Martec where they 
will, for a price, recondition it.  Part of the reconditioning process is to 
re-bore the hub and blades for a larger pin.  You can only do this twice.  
Hence the 3 lives, the original life plus 2 rebuilds.

 

So, before you send the prop to Martec for reconditioning, measure the pin 
diameter and call them to see how many lives it has left.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Bruce via CnC-List  > wrote:

Hello all,

 

I have a fixed, 3 bladed prop on Astralis currently, and suspect that its 
slowing us down here in Florida where we just don’t get the wind like we did on 
Lake Michigan, so we rarely see much over 12 kts or so.  I’m thinking I’d like 
to get a little more speed out of her, and one area of improvement could be the 
fixed prop.  

 

In the pile of old parts that the prior owner left us, I found an old, and 
obviously used Martec Eliptec RH18DX12P-3, two blade folding prop (it is not 
geared).  I have the blades and hub, but at the moment cannot find the center 
pin.  It seems like Martec may still be in the business of repairing these 
props.

 

I’ve read some of the various reviews, and I understand there are better 
solutions out there, but clearly I’d be dropping a few boat bucks to pull it 
off.  

 

Do any of you have direct experience with the Martec Eliptec, and can advise me 
whether I’ll hate this thing from a performance or vibration point of view if I 
get a pin and put it on the boat?  

 

I am OK with somewhat limited reverse, but would be anxious if I was giving up 
a lot of forward power.  And, I really don’t want a lot of vibration, 
especially if it’s going to do things like tear up the cutlass bearing.  

 

Thanks for your insights!  

 

Bruce C. Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”

Madeira Beach, FL

847.404.5092  

bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net  

 


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Re: Stus-List Hard Bimini

[David Miles via CnC-List]

Very nice...


On February 15, 2018 14:42:17 Bruce via CnC-List  wrote:


Sorry, I forgot to add the link to the photo!



https://www.dropbox.com/s/0rlqciawspzi1ff/Astralis%20Under%20Sail%20%28Corrected%2020131109a%29.jpg?dl=0



Kindest Regards,



Bruce C. Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”

Madeira Beach, FL

847.404.5092

bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net



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via CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 5:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Hard Bimini



Hello J-G,



Here’s a photo of Astralis under sail (yes, I know the bimini is tilted 
back in the photo – the bimini on the boat was not built to exacting 
specifications).




I’m not looking at adding a dodger as of yet, though we may get there one 
day.  However, the main sheet in the forward of the cockpit would demand a 
separate dodger from the bimini.




Kindest Regards,



Bruce C. Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”

Madeira Beach, FL

847.404.5092

bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net 



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Nadeau via CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jean-Guy Nadeau  >
Subject: Stus-List Hard Bimini



What boat? With our 35 Mk2 we have a hard dodger and soft bimini. Because 
of the low boom we have to fold the bimini when under mainsail. Slower 
design would not give sufficient headroom in the cockpit. The boom just 
clears the dodger. We have solar panels mounted on the top of the bimini frame.


Cheers, J-G

Callisto

Victoria, BC




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Re: Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Bruce,

You're not going to get a lot of positive comments about Martec props on
this list.  You'll get a lot of suggestions about this prop and that prop.

Having said that, I have a Martec Elliptical on Touche'.  While it might
not be everyone's favorite, I don't have any problems with it.  Sure, I
have to drop down into a cockpit locker to align it before a race or a long
sail but that's the nature of non-geared folding props.

As for rev erse, I back into my home slip without any issue at all.  Just
need a bit of practice and anticipation and you'll be good to go (or back
up).

I've dealt with Martec a couple times and found them to be fairly
responsive.  They should be able to send you whatever parts you need.

One thing to be aware of with Martec props.  They have 3 "lives".  With
use, the pin holes in the blades will begin to wallow out and the blades
will start to become loose on the pin.  The fix is to return the prop to
Martec where they will, for a price, recondition it.  Part of the
reconditioning process is to re-bore the hub and blades for a larger pin.
You can only do this twice.  Hence the 3 lives, the original life plus 2
rebuilds.

So, before you send the prop to Martec for reconditioning, measure the pin
diameter and call them to see how many lives it has left.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Bruce via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I have a fixed, 3 bladed prop on Astralis currently, and suspect that its
> slowing us down here in Florida where we just don’t get the wind like we
> did on Lake Michigan, so we rarely see much over 12 kts or so.  I’m
> thinking I’d like to get a little more speed out of her, and one area of
> improvement could be the fixed prop.
>
>
>
> In the pile of old parts that the prior owner left us, I found an old, and
> obviously used Martec Eliptec RH18DX12P-3, two blade folding prop (it is
> not geared).  I have the blades and hub, but at the moment cannot find the
> center pin.  It seems like Martec may still be in the business of repairing
> these props.
>
>
>
> I’ve read some of the various reviews, and I understand there are better
> solutions out there, but clearly I’d be dropping a few boat bucks to pull
> it off.
>
>
>
> Do any of you have direct experience with the Martec Eliptec, and can
> advise me whether I’ll hate this thing from a performance or vibration
> point of view if I get a pin and put it on the boat?
>
>
>
> I am OK with somewhat limited reverse, but would be anxious if I was
> giving up a lot of forward power.  And, I really don’t want a lot of
> vibration, especially if it’s going to do things like tear up the cutlass
> bearing.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your insights!
>
>
>
> Bruce C. Whitmore
>
> 1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”
>
> Madeira Beach, FL
>
> 847.404.5092 <(847)%20404-5092>
>
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
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Stus-List C 34 for sale

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Hello all,

I'm putting my C 34 up for sale and moving up a class or two, details on
the new (to me) boat to follow once I've fully committed. In the meantime,
I'll be glad to talk or email more with an interested party.
She's a 1978, Ontario built boat in great condition.
White Awlgrip with navy blue boot and cove stripes.
Nicely equipped, very clean below-decks (cushions re-done a few years back)
and a very reliable Yanmar 2QM20.

Asking $22,000, looking for offers.

Thanks in advance, and looking forward to my next C!

*Chuck Borge*
*C 34 Elusive*
*Somerset, MA*
*508-642-3557*
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Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

[Bruce via CnC-List]

Hello all,

 

I have a fixed, 3 bladed prop on Astralis currently, and suspect that its
slowing us down here in Florida where we just don't get the wind like we did
on Lake Michigan, so we rarely see much over 12 kts or so.  I'm thinking I'd
like to get a little more speed out of her, and one area of improvement
could be the fixed prop.  

 

In the pile of old parts that the prior owner left us, I found an old, and
obviously used Martec Eliptec RH18DX12P-3, two blade folding prop (it is not
geared).  I have the blades and hub, but at the moment cannot find the
center pin.  It seems like Martec may still be in the business of repairing
these props.

 

I've read some of the various reviews, and I understand there are better
solutions out there, but clearly I'd be dropping a few boat bucks to pull it
off.  

 

Do any of you have direct experience with the Martec Eliptec, and can advise
me whether I'll hate this thing from a performance or vibration point of
view if I get a pin and put it on the boat?  

 

I am OK with somewhat limited reverse, but would be anxious if I was giving
up a lot of forward power.  And, I really don't want a lot of vibration,
especially if it's going to do things like tear up the cutlass bearing.  

 

Thanks for your insights!  

 

Bruce C. Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+, "Astralis"

Madeira Beach, FL

847.404.5092

bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net

 

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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Patrick,

There's really only one place for those winches to be located.  I think I
know the answer but not 100% sure.

The only clue is on the page entitled "Standard Loose Equipment".  The
handwritten note says "2 #26 Barlow winches".  When I purchased the
boat, it had Barlow 28's for the primaries and Barlow 26's for the
secondaries.  I suspect the 26's were standard and the 1st owner knew he
was going to upgrade the primaries to 28's and put the 26's in the aft spot
for secondaries.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>
> Dennis I suspect the note to not install genoa winches is because the
> owner wanted a particular placement of them (the line after that says "put
> in the boat loose w/ fastenings").
>
> -Patrick
> '84 LF38
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:59 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Dennis C." 
>>
>>
>> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
>> or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I
>>> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going
>>> for in 1981 or thereabouts?
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Paul E.
>>> 1981 C 38 Landfall
>>> S/V Johanna Rose
>>> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>>>
>>> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Junk Email

[M Bodnar via CnC-List]

  
  


A few years back we started having problems with our emails going
  from my clinic server being blocked by spam filters.  I couldn't
  even email myself.
I dug into it - it appears that someone ripped my domain name and
  was using it to send spam.  Enough people junked those emails as
  spam that my domain got black listed.
I can't remember the exact details now but I had to submit a
  sample email online with a disclaimer at the bottom that allowed
  people to unsubscribe from emails (despite the fact that we don't
  send out mass emails) before they would remove me from the
  blacklist.
Might explain part of the problem?

Mark




On 2018-02-15 7:56 PM, Stu Murray via
  CnC-List wrote:


  
Nothing has changed with our mail list program.  But your
  ISP that handles
  your email probably updated their filters on their email
  servers.  What was
  good yesterday, isn't so today.
  
  If you are using a web-based email program, you probably don't
  have
  provisions to change the filters.  If you can change them, try
  changing the
  spam, malware, virus settings.  It might change where our
  emails go.
  
  If all else fails, set up a specific folder and send all of
  our list emails
  to that folder and bypass the junk folder.
  
  I don't know what has happened -- we don't send out junk.
  
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Stus-List Junk Email

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Nothing has changed with our mail list program.  But your ISP that handles
your email probably updated their filters on their email servers.  What was
good yesterday, isn't so today.

If you are using a web-based email program, you probably don't have
provisions to change the filters.  If you can change them, try changing the
spam, malware, virus settings.  It might change where our emails go.

If all else fails, set up a specific folder and send all of our list emails
to that folder and bypass the junk folder.

I don't know what has happened -- we don't send out junk.

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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

I'd kind of disagree...
Technically, boat didn't depreciate very much.  It inflation that's taking down 
the value of today's dollars.
Depreciation is the reduction in $ value over time, and from a tax writeoff 
perspective, a $20,000 asset owned by a business would be written off over a 
specified period of time, presumably to the point it would be worth $0.  

Its just that $20,000 won't buy you a new sailboat any longer!   
 Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


  From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list  
Cc: Randy Stafford ; Patrick Davin 

 Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
   
According to C brochures that came with Grenadine, the C 30 MK I base price 
as at September 13, 1976 was $27,200.  As at September 1, 1977 it had increased 
to $30,450.
I don’t have information on how much her first owner paid for her in 1972.  I’d 
guess ~$20,000 if the base price tracked with inflation.  That’s ~$120,000 in 
today’s dollars.  And I bought the boat (and its trailer) for $16,500 two years 
ago.  Poor thing obviously depreciated a lot.
Cheers,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO


On Feb 15, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List  
wrote:
Wow. That's $123,000 in today's dollars. (20k in 1971 = 123k today). Important 
to compare real values, not nominal values - inflation over 47 years is very 
significant!  Still not bad, a 35' production boat today goes a bit more than 
that I think. 
Would be interesting if anyone has a 1980's number. The 70's after about '73 
had massive inflation - 
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp

Dennis I suspect the note to not install genoa winches is because the owner 
wanted a particular placement of them (the line after that says "put in the 
boat loose w/ fastenings"). 
-Patrick'84 LF38
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:59 PM,  wrote:

-- Forwarded message --
From: "Dennis C." 
To: CnClist 
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
Paul,
Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
$872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
more.
Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
https://drive.google.com/open? id= 1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuF gb5
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA



On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi,
I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for in 
1981 or thereabouts?

-
Paul E.1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL
http://svjohannarose.blogspot. com/

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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Dennis,

Amazing that you still have the original documentation.   Thanks for sharing.


Paul


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:59 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
> From: "Dennis C." >
> To: CnClist >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
> Message-ID:
>    >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971
> order from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of
> $18,760 with $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have
> been a wee bit more.
> 
> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
> or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5 
> 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

According to C brochures that came with Grenadine, the C 30 MK I base price 
as at September 13, 1976 was $27,200.  As at September 1, 1977 it had increased 
to $30,450.

I don’t have information on how much her first owner paid for her in 1972.  I’d 
guess ~$20,000 if the base price tracked with inflation.  That’s ~$120,000 in 
today’s dollars.  And I bought the boat (and its trailer) for $16,500 two years 
ago.  Poor thing obviously depreciated a lot.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Feb 15, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow. That's $123,000 in today's dollars. (20k in 1971 = 123k today). 
> Important to compare real values, not nominal values - inflation over 47 
> years is very significant!  Still not bad, a 35' production boat today goes a 
> bit more than that I think. 
> 
> Would be interesting if anyone has a 1980's number. The 70's after about '73 
> had massive inflation - 
> https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp 
> 
> 
> Dennis I suspect the note to not install genoa winches is because the owner 
> wanted a particular placement of them (the line after that says "put in the 
> boat loose w/ fastenings"). 
> 
> -Patrick
> '84 LF38
> 
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:59 PM,  > wrote:
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Dennis C." >
> To: CnClist >
> Cc: 
> Bcc: 
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
> Paul,
> 
> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
> from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
> $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
> more.
> 
> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
> cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5 
> 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List  > wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for 
> in 1981 or thereabouts?
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
> 
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Bruce via CnC-List]

The original sale price on our 1994 C 37/40+ was +/- $225,000 (USD).  

 

If it weren’t for depreciation, I couldn’t afford to sail!

 

Hoping the curve is pretty flat from here on out, 

 

Bruce C. Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”

Madeira Beach, FL

847.404.5092

bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net

 

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vanderkruk via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 5:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: ed vanderkruk ; John Christopher 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

 

I have the original bill of sale from one of the last Landfalls ( LF38 hull 229 
) commissioned out of Niagara on the Lake in 1982. I believe all-in it was 
close to 100k Canadian ... but would have to check the builders file on the 
boat.

 

 

 

Ed

 

On Feb 15, 2018 5:32 PM, "John Christopher via CnC-List"  > wrote:

You can check out this website to compare dollars then to now.

 

I calculated 32K (Guess) in 1979 and it calculated 109634.44 in 2017 taking 
inflation into account.

 

https://westegg.com/inflation/

 

 

John
- LF 38, 1983, #155

 

 


On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Della Barba, Joe  > wrote:

I think the original owners of Coquina paid $24K to buy here new in 1973 and we 
paid $35K in 1977. We paid $34K for our house in 1969, so I grew up thinking 
boat>house was a normal state of affairs. 

Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:23 PM
To: CnClist  >
Cc: Dennis C.  >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

 

Paul,

 

Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
$872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
more.

 

Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
cleats."  Never have figured that one out.

 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List  > wrote:

Hi,

 

I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for in 
1981 or thereabouts?

 

-
Paul E.

1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

 

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

 


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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[ed vanderkruk via CnC-List]

I have the original bill of sale from one of the last Landfalls ( LF38 hull
229 ) commissioned out of Niagara on the Lake in 1982. I believe all-in it
was close to 100k Canadian ... but would have to check the builders file on
the boat.



Ed

On Feb 15, 2018 5:32 PM, "John Christopher via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You can check out this website to compare dollars then to now.
>
> I calculated 32K (Guess) in 1979 and it calculated 109634.44 in 2017
> taking inflation into account.
>
> https://westegg.com/inflation/
>
>
> John
> - LF 38, 1983, #155
>
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
> wrote:
>
> I think the original owners of Coquina paid $24K to buy here new in 1973
> and we paid $35K in 1977. We paid $34K for our house in 1969, so I grew up
> thinking boat>house was a normal state of affairs.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Dennis C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:23 PM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
>
>
>
> Paul,
>
>
>
> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971
> order from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of
> $18,760 with $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have
> been a wee bit more.
>
>
>
> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
> or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I
> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going
> for in 1981 or thereabouts?
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
>
> 1981 C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
>
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Hard Bimini

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Sorry, I forgot to add the link to the photo!  

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0rlqciawspzi1ff/Astralis%20Under%20Sail%20%28Corrected%2020131109a%29.jpg?dl=0

 

Kindest Regards,

 

Bruce C. Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”

Madeira Beach, FL

847.404.5092

bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net

 

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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 5:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Hard Bimini

 

Hello J-G,

 

Here’s a photo of Astralis under sail (yes, I know the bimini is tilted back in 
the photo – the bimini on the boat was not built to exacting specifications).  

 

I’m not looking at adding a dodger as of yet, though we may get there one day.  
However, the main sheet in the forward of the cockpit would demand a separate 
dodger from the bimini.  

 

Kindest Regards,

 

Bruce C. Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”

Madeira Beach, FL

847.404.5092

bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net  

 

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Nadeau via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Jean-Guy Nadeau  >
Subject: Stus-List Hard Bimini

 

What boat? With our 35 Mk2 we have a hard dodger and soft bimini. Because of 
the low boom we have to fold the bimini when under mainsail. Slower design 
would not give sufficient headroom in the cockpit. The boom just clears the 
dodger. We have solar panels mounted on the top of the bimini frame.

Cheers, J-G 

Callisto

Victoria, BC

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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

You can check out this website to compare dollars then to now.

I calculated 32K (Guess) in 1979 and it calculated 109634.44 in 2017 taking 
inflation into account.

https://westegg.com/inflation/


John
- LF 38, 1983, #155



> On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Della Barba, Joe  wrote:
> 
> I think the original owners of Coquina paid $24K to buy here new in 1973 and 
> we paid $35K in 1977. We paid $34K for our house in 1969, so I grew up 
> thinking boat>house was a normal state of affairs.
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:23 PM
> To: CnClist 
> Cc: Dennis C. 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
>  
> Paul,
>  
> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
> from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
> $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
> more.
>  
> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
> cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
>  
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5
>  
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for 
> in 1981 or thereabouts?
>  
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>  
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>  
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Re: Stus-List Hard Bimini

[Bruce via CnC-List]

Hello J-G,

 

Here’s a photo of Astralis under sail (yes, I know the bimini is tilted back in 
the photo – the bimini on the boat was not built to exacting specifications).  

 

I’m not looking at adding a dodger as of yet, though we may get there one day.  
However, the main sheet in the forward of the cockpit would demand a separate 
dodger from the bimini.  

 

Kindest Regards,

 

Bruce C. Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”

Madeira Beach, FL

847.404.5092

bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Guy 
Nadeau via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jean-Guy Nadeau 
Subject: Stus-List Hard Bimini

 

What boat? With our 35 Mk2 we have a hard dodger and soft bimini. Because of 
the low boom we have to fold the bimini when under mainsail. Slower design 
would not give sufficient headroom in the cockpit. The boom just clears the 
dodger. We have solar panels mounted on the top of the bimini frame.

Cheers, J-G 

Callisto

Victoria, BC

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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

Wow. That's $123,000 in today's dollars. (20k in 1971 = 123k today).
Important to compare real values, not nominal values - inflation over 47
years is very significant!  Still not bad, a 35' production boat today goes
a bit more than that I think.

Would be interesting if anyone has a 1980's number. The 70's after about
'73 had massive inflation -
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp

Dennis I suspect the note to not install genoa winches is because the owner
wanted a particular placement of them (the line after that says "put in the
boat loose w/ fastenings").

-Patrick
'84 LF38

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:59 PM,  wrote:
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Dennis C." 
> To: CnClist 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
> Paul,
>
> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971
> order from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of
> $18,760 with $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have
> been a wee bit more.
>
> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
> or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I
>> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going
>> for in 1981 or thereabouts?
>>
>>
>> -
>> Paul E.
>> 1981 C 38 Landfall
>> S/V Johanna Rose
>> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>>
>> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I think the original owners of Coquina paid $24K to buy here new in 1973 and we 
paid $35K in 1977. We paid $34K for our house in 1969, so I grew up thinking 
boat>house was a normal state of affairs.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:23 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

Paul,

Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
$872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
more.

Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
cleats."  Never have figured that one out.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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> wrote:
Hi,

I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for in 
1981 or thereabouts?

-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Paul,

Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971
order from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of
$18,760 with $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have
been a wee bit more.

Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I
> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going
> for in 1981 or thereabouts?
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
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Stus-List Hard Bimini

[Jean-Guy Nadeau via CnC-List]

What boat? With our 35 Mk2 we have a hard dodger and soft bimini. Because of 
the low boom we have to fold the bimini when under mainsail. Slower design 
would not give sufficient headroom in the cockpit. The boom just clears the 
dodger. We have solar panels mounted on the top of the bimini frame.

Cheers, J-G
Callisto
Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 Paul, look up the brochure on the Photo album site, frequently they have the 
original price lists included.

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River

Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Dreuge via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Dreuge 
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 12:15 pm
Subject: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price


Hi,


I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for in 
1981 or thereabouts?






Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL


http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/





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If a list recipient who shares the same email provider as you marks a list
mail as spam, then the provider may classify each and every email from the
list as spam.  You will then need to reclassify it as "not spam".

I check my spam folder every now and then for just such a reason.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> all that I get from stus list now go to gmail spam instead of
> inbox...i changed nothing, just happened that way all by itself;
> actually I thought maybe the list closed up until I opened the spam
> folder
> Dwight Veinot
> C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Paul via CnC-List
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> > and the rest to my inbox.  Anyone else have this problem?
> >
> > Thanks,
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> > C '81
> > 416.799.5549 c
> >
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Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi,

I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for in 
1981 or thereabouts?


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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all that I get from stus list now go to gmail spam instead of
inbox...i changed nothing, just happened that way all by itself;
actually I thought maybe the list closed up until I opened the spam
folder
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



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> and the rest to my inbox.  Anyone else have this problem?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Hood
> C '81
> 416.799.5549 c
>
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