Re: Stus-List Teak interior steps

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I used to use oil, but I switched to Brylcreem.

Seriously, I stripped the old finish down to bare woodd and used a
polyurethane varnish and stuck on abrasive strips. Looks good a couple of
years in.
https://i.imgur.com/hGDoTnI.jpg


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 at 18:53, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I use oil, and I applied Treadmaster to the steps.
>
> Alan Bergen
>>
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
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> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
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Stus-List 1990 37+/40 For Sale [Not Mine!]

[paul.hood via CnC-List]

Hey GaryI think I found what I was looking for.  Sorry its local to me. My 
error.  Message: 7Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 10:10:00 -0500From: Gary Russell Hi 
Paul, Which one was it?  It may be mine.  Kaylarah?GaryKaylarah'90 C 
37+East Greenwich, RI, USA~~~_/)~~Paul Hood 416.799.5549 c
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Stus-List Anyone need an engine - A4 for sale

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

http://www.moyermarineforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=115819#post115819

Not mine, but close to my house. It looks nice.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I


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Re: Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hi Charlie,

Sorry you have a leak. I believe you have a very unique centerboard version of 
the 34/36plus. I don't know if they ever made another.

Anyway, can you see where the leak is coming from? Was the keel to hull joint 
showing when it was last on the hard?

I would wait until the boat is on the hard to tighten keel bolts. I would want 
the weight of the keel supported and the weight of the hull resting properly on 
the keel, so gravity is your friend, compressing the joint for you. I wouldn't 
touch the system while in the water because in that state, gravity is trying to 
pull the 5000# keel off and if you snap a bolt, you may create a problem rather 
than solve one.

Wild idea: Maybe take the boat to a dock that is deep at high tide, but when 
the tide goes out, the keel is aground, so you could use the mud to support the 
keel and tighten the keel bolts during the low tide with some hull weight 
pressing down on the joint. Fix the leak and float off on the high tide.

If that doesn't fix the leak, I would try and schedule a short haulout to block 
the keel only, tighten the bolts you can get to and relaunch to see if that 
fixed the leak. If it doesn't, pull the mast so you can tighten those bolts, 
relaunch to see if that fixes the leak. If it doesn't, haul the boat again and 
drop the keel to reseal the joint.

Be sure the boatyard catches the keel properly with large blocks positioned 
under the keel and no further aft than the end of the joint. Since our keels 
sweep back, don't let them block it further back where it could cause extra 
leverage and actually open the smile up front. And don't let them support the 
boat from the end of the bulb or wings. I've seen keels supported too far back 
when it's easy to do it properly. The stands are meant to support 10% of the 
weight so 90% is on the keel. I also like to see it level and plumb to best 
support everything.

Chuck, Resolute, 1990 C 34R


> On February 11, 2019 at 1:18 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am not an engineer in any sense of the word but perhaps someone on the 
> list can critique these thoughts of mine:
> 
> Keel bolts can be tightened on the hard (while resting on the keel) or in 
> the water while the keel is hanging from the bolts.
> 
> I suspect the job would be considerably easier (assuming the bolts are 
> loose) it one did not have to lift the keel with the torque wrench while 
> tightening the  bolts--at least until the keel has met the stub.
> 
> The torque numbers recommended are presumably set by the 
> manufacturer/designer to provide enough pressure between the keel stub and 
> keel surface for both absolute stability in all directions of potential 
> motion (pitch, yaw and roll?) as well as to seal this joint against water 
> intrusion (along with some sealing compound). 
> 
> OTOH, after this torque number is reached further tightening is likely 
> counter-productive since it is either pulling the keel bolt out of the soft 
> lead of the keel, driving the nut/washer down through the stub or stripping 
> the bolt or nut threads--none of which is desirable. 
> 
> Assuming the above makes sense, as long as the recommended torque is 
> reached but not seriously exceeded, it seems  the bolts can be tightened in 
> the water or out, hanging from the keel stub or resting on the keel, as long 
> as the recommended torque is reached.
> 
> I have a practical reason for a list critique of this:  
> 
> I have a small water leak somewhere between my cb trunk/keel and the cb 
> trunk/keel stub that I noticed just before the boat was splashed back in 
> October but too late to fix then.   
> 
> My keel bolts have never been tightened.
> 
> The boat will not be on the hard again until late summer of 2019.
> 
> I am considering tightening the bolts I can reach to some 
> specification--but a few are under the mast to which some of the purchase for 
> the cb is also attached. Thus reaching all of them would require pulling the 
> mast AND undoing this cb purchase--which for me is best done by the yard this 
> summer.
> 
> My question: should I tighten the bolts I can reach now or 
> forget-about-it until the yard can do it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> 
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Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I am not an engineer in any sense of the word but perhaps someone on the list 
can critique these thoughts of mine:
Keel bolts can be tightened on the hard (while resting on the keel) or in the 
water while the keel is hanging from the bolts.

I suspect the job would be considerably easier (assuming the bolts are loose) 
it one did not have to lift the keel with the torque wrench while tightening 
the  bolts--at least until the keel has met the stub.
The torque numbers recommended are presumably set by the manufacturer/designer 
to provide enough pressure between the keel stub and keel surface for both 
absolute stability in all directions of potential motion (pitch, yaw and roll?) 
as well as to seal this joint against water intrusion (along with some sealing 
compound). 
OTOH, after this torque number is reached further tightening is likely 
counter-productive since it is either pulling the keel bolt out of the soft 
lead of the keel, driving the nut/washer down through the stub or stripping the 
bolt or nut threads--none of which is desirable. 
Assuming the above makes sense, as long as the recommended torque is reached 
but not seriously exceeded, it seems the bolts can be tightened in the water or 
out, hanging from the keel stub or resting on the keel, as long as the 
recommended torque is reached.
I have a practical reason for a list critique of this:  
I have a small water leak somewhere between my cb trunk/keel and the cb 
trunk/keel stub that I noticed just before the boat was splashed back in 
October but too late to fix then.   
My keel bolts have never been tightened.
The boat will not be on the hard again until late summer of 2019.
I am considering tightening the bolts I can reach to some specification--but a 
few are under the mast to which some of the purchase for the cb is also 
attached. Thus reaching all of them would require pulling the mast AND undoing 
this cb purchase--which for me is best done by the yard this summer.
My question: should I tighten the bolts I can reach now or forget-about-it 
until the yard can do it.



Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36 XL/kcb


















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Re: Stus-List Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Possibly. I had no problem getting rid of the smile when I tightened my bolts.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: Neil Andersen [mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 11:17 AM
To: Della Barba, Joe ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

I understand side to side crooked being an issue.  I was wondering if the boat 
was leaning harder on the front or back of the keel would be an issue.

Neil
1982 C 32

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

I understand side to side crooked being an issue.  I was wondering if the boat 
was leaning harder on the front or back of the keel would be an issue.

Neil
1982 C 32

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:39 AM
To: Neil Andersen; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: RE: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

That did not prove to be an issue. If the keel is crooked you have a LOT bigger 
issues than loose bolts!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: Neil Andersen [mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

But how could you tell the boat was leaning on the keel evenly?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

I wasn’t worried about the keel falling off. Just sitting still in the slip I 
could probably take half of them off.
The reason I tighten them on the hard is twofold – I don’t want to strip the 
threads using the nuts to pull the keel up and I am not sure how to even 
evaluate the torque corrections for hundreds or thousands of pounds of strain 
on the bolts.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:49 PM
To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

Russ, it is my belief that the idea behind any torque spec is that it is 
applied when no "pull in" stress is being applied.  Does it matter too much for 
keel bolt?  I don't know.  2 the 8 of mine are under the mast so I'm not going 
to torque the bolts very often but when I do it will be as "proper" as possible.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 2:16 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I've always wondered why there is an insistence amongst some East Coast members 
to retorque keel-bolts on the hard.

On the Left Coast the boats are out of the water for only a day or three and it 
seems too valuable to do something as mundane as resetting keel nuts!

check the chart:
https://www.engineersedge.com/hardware/torque_vs_tension_bolts_13355.htm
one bolt will hold at least three or more keels to the bottom.

Has there been bad experience torgue'ng keelbolts while floating?

Cheers, Russ
ex- Sweet 35 mk-1

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

That did not prove to be an issue. If the keel is crooked you have a LOT bigger 
issues than loose bolts!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: Neil Andersen [mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

But how could you tell the boat was leaning on the keel evenly?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

I wasn't worried about the keel falling off. Just sitting still in the slip I 
could probably take half of them off.
The reason I tighten them on the hard is twofold - I don't want to strip the 
threads using the nuts to pull the keel up and I am not sure how to even 
evaluate the torque corrections for hundreds or thousands of pounds of strain 
on the bolts.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:49 PM
To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

Russ, it is my belief that the idea behind any torque spec is that it is 
applied when no "pull in" stress is being applied.  Does it matter too much for 
keel bolt?  I don't know.  2 the 8 of mine are under the mast so I'm not going 
to torque the bolts very often but when I do it will be as "proper" as possible.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 2:16 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I've always wondered why there is an insistence amongst some East Coast members 
to retorque keel-bolts on the hard.

On the Left Coast the boats are out of the water for only a day or three and it 
seems too valuable to do something as mundane as resetting keel nuts!

check the chart:
https://www.engineersedge.com/hardware/torque_vs_tension_bolts_13355.htm
one bolt will hold at least three or more keels to the bottom.

Has there been bad experience torgue'ng keelbolts while floating?

Cheers, Russ
ex- Sweet 35 mk-1

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

But how could you tell the boat was leaning on the keel evenly?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Della Barba, Joe 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

I wasn’t worried about the keel falling off. Just sitting still in the slip I 
could probably take half of them off.
The reason I tighten them on the hard is twofold – I don’t want to strip the 
threads using the nuts to pull the keel up and I am not sure how to even 
evaluate the torque corrections for hundreds or thousands of pounds of strain 
on the bolts.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:49 PM
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

Russ, it is my belief that the idea behind any torque spec is that it is 
applied when no "pull in" stress is being applied.  Does it matter too much for 
keel bolt?  I don't know.  2 the 8 of mine are under the mast so I'm not going 
to torque the bolts very often but when I do it will be as "proper" as possible.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 2:16 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I've always wondered why there is an insistence amongst some East Coast members 
to retorque keel-bolts on the hard.

On the Left Coast the boats are out of the water for only a day or three and it 
seems too valuable to do something as mundane as resetting keel nuts!

check the chart:
https://www.engineersedge.com/hardware/torque_vs_tension_bolts_13355.htm
one bolt will hold at least three or more keels to the bottom.

Has there been bad experience torgue'ng keelbolts while floating?

Cheers, Russ
ex- Sweet 35 mk-1


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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I wasn’t worried about the keel falling off. Just sitting still in the slip I 
could probably take half of them off.
The reason I tighten them on the hard is twofold – I don’t want to strip the 
threads using the nuts to pull the keel up and I am not sure how to even 
evaluate the torque corrections for hundreds or thousands of pounds of strain 
on the bolts.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:49 PM
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

Russ, it is my belief that the idea behind any torque spec is that it is 
applied when no "pull in" stress is being applied.  Does it matter too much for 
keel bolt?  I don't know.  2 the 8 of mine are under the mast so I'm not going 
to torque the bolts very often but when I do it will be as "proper" as possible.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 2:16 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I've always wondered why there is an insistence amongst some East Coast members 
to retorque keel-bolts on the hard.

On the Left Coast the boats are out of the water for only a day or three and it 
seems too valuable to do something as mundane as resetting keel nuts!

check the chart:
https://www.engineersedge.com/hardware/torque_vs_tension_bolts_13355.htm
one bolt will hold at least three or more keels to the bottom.

Has there been bad experience torgue'ng keelbolts while floating?

Cheers, Russ
ex- Sweet 35 mk-1


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Re: Stus-List 1990 37+/40 For Sale [Not Mine!]

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Hi Paul,
 Which one was it?  It may be mine.  Kaylarah?
Gary
Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~



On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 10:50 PM Paul via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hey John,
>
>
>
> Hope all is well.  I tried loading several times the survey you had posted
> on the C List for the C/40 for sale last month.  Can you please send
> it me.  Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Hood
>
> 416.799.5549 c
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Re: Stus-List Teak interior steps

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I applied cut & trimmed carpet pieces to mine about 15 years ago—still holding 
up strong!

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently in Charleston SC for the winter)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Feb 10, 2019, at 8:42 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I varnished mine and applied stick-on treads about 7 years ago.  Looks 
> professional, and no one slips.  One of the treads is finally showing wear 
> and can be easily replaced.  After 7 years I’m tempted to re-do the entire 
> thing but there’s no need.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Bev Parslow via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Cleaning the teak steps up but how do I finish them? Should I varnish? 
>> Should I oil? Should I leave them as they are?
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