Re: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hi Ken,
Beautiful job on your webpage for the 37/40.

Funny, I was looking over the construction drawing you sent me only yesterday.

I did buy everything available for the 34/36 from Kingston Museum when they 
first got the drawings.  It included seven files; a large sailplan, keel and 
rudder foils for the deep keel (but not the wing).  No construction drawing, no 
lines drawing or sections.  I did buy the builders file from Southshore but do 
not remember layup schedules or build info there either.  It has parts lists 
and inspections and letters between the buyer and CI have a very 
detailed set of drawings for my three spreader rig I got from Offshore Spars 
and Edson provided me drawings for the steering assembly. 

My boat is hull number two of the series and I feel it was rushed out the door 
to make Block Island Race Week to get the new design onto the race course and 
drum up sales.  Their strategy worked as 67 of the 94 hulls were built in 1990 
and 1991.   

I'll call the museum tomorrow and see if any new 34/36 drawings have turned up 
since my last contact.   

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C 34R, Pasadena, Md



> On November 7, 2019 at 3:32 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I put all the construction drawings I have for the 37/40 series online 
> at:  https://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/
> 
> I purchased all these drawing from the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes 
> at Kingston, 53 Yonge Street, Kingston, Ontario K7M 6G4  
> https://www.marmuseum.ca/
> 
> 613 542-2261  mana...@marmuseum.ca mailto:mana...@marmuseum.ca   
> https://www.marmuseum.ca/
> 
> I don't know if any of the 34/36 owners have copies of the drawings for 
> their boats, Charles may know.
> 
> Ken H.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 16:27, James Bibb < jamesb...@me.com 
> mailto:jamesb...@me.com > wrote:
> 
> > > James Bibb here in Alaska…I have the R version and find 
> all of this information very helpful.  First time I’ve seen the order 
> information. 
> > 
> > I’m always looking for detailed construction drawings for this 
> > model as I try and either diagram or look at renovation options.  Is there 
> > more resources for detailed plan and section…sailplane drawings for this 
> > model out there somewhere? 
> > 
> > James Bibb
> > SV Darwins Folly
> > 34/36R
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > > > On Nov 7, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Ken Heaton via 
> > CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > > The difference between + and XL versions was in the optional 
> > > (read more expensive) hull layup on the XL (which was the same layup used 
> > > on the R), which used a bit more Kevlar Hybrid Fabric and used Aircraft 
> > > Grade Pre-Impregnated Balsa Core in place of Marine Grade Balsa core, so 
> > > was lighter and perhaps a bit stronger.  It was just another option on 
> > > the order sheet.
> > > 
> > > Most XLs were also ordered with the taller tapered mast with 
> > > three spreaders so that is the usual way to tell them apart.  The order 
> > > sheet gives the details if you have a copy of the original.  Look for the 
> > > 'R' Racing layup option to see if it is ticked off.  If you are lucky 
> > > enough to have the Build File all the details are in there.
> > > 
> > > In one C brochure for the 36 Series from 1994/1995 they say 
> > > the XL mean 'eXtra Light'.  The 36 Series is what they called the 34/36 
> > > in marketing materials after C's restructuring in 1993.  The Brochure 
> > > page is here:  
> > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/36foot/36xlb1pg02.htm
> > > 
> > > Skip to the last page of the Brochure to compare the Standard 
> > > Equipment lists for the different versions.
> > > 
> > > Ken H.
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 15:21, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List < 
> > > cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > > I've done some research on this and found the 
> > > 34/36 could be ordered with any combination.  Some plus models were 
> > > ordered with short rigs and some with two spreader rigs and some with 
> > > three spreader rigs.  There were several keels offered, 7' 4", 5' 3" 
> > > wing, and later a centerboard version.  In '96, Mars Metals cast a 6' 3" 
> > > keel for the boat.  Last I heard Mars lost the molds for the wing keel 
> > > but still have the molds for the 6' 3" and 7' 4" models.  The difference 
> > > between Plus and XL remains a mystery to me as I've seen several versions 
> > > of each.
> > > > 
> > > > Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C 34R, Pasadena, Md
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > On November 7, 2019 at 1:55 PM T Sutton via CnC-List 
> > > > < cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >

Re: Stus-List Latest / last season sail

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Dave, is that North Carolina? Come on by and see you sister 37!
Nd see 

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


> On Nov 6, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I’m normally one of the oyster “cookers” for that event but am currently on 
> my way to N. C. n
> north Carolina 
> Our house is four doors away from the museum. My dock is under 
> re-construction at the moment but will be done on Thursday. Feel free to use 
> it if you wish. 
> 
> Contact me off-list for details. 
> 
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:21 AM, Thomas Perison via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all -
>> 
>> I don’t post much (at all!) but enjoy reading about the C  
>> 
>> Thought I’d check if anyone is going to the Reedville, VA / mid-Chesapeake 
>> Oyster Roast this Sat.  I’m sailing Therapy there, with a fellow vet, from 
>> the Solomons on FRI. 
>> 
>> Also curious if anyone sails thru the ‘winter’ here on the Bay….I’m 
>> originally from Buffalo - winters here are more like an extended fall !  ;)
>> 
>> At least I will have Wind!
>> 
>> Cheers -
>> 
>> Tom 
>> “Therapy”
>> ’84 C 29 MKII
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Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4 hp 2 cycle help

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

I love these little Japanese motors but mine (I have a few) usually 
don't need much work.


What is wrong with her?

cheers, Russ



At 02:25 PM 11/7/2019, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="_000_CY4PR1601MB132048E0930E70320B5ECFADDA780CY4PR1601MB1320_"

Anyone have experience working on these?  Ripped off by mechanic and 
not much online for self help.


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Re: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

[Tom Vaughan via CnC-List]

Chuck: 84 Spinnaker & 93 Main & Jib. Tom

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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:37 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Tom,
> 
> Curious, What's your PHRF rating?  
> 
> Chuck  
> 
> 
>> On November 7, 2019 at 1:34 PM Tom Vaughan via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have a 1990 C 34 + DK. PHRF LE  say that the Rigging is that of a 35/36 
>> XL & not of the 34+. Thus I was given the much lower PHRF for the faster 
>> Boat. Did C put the 35/36 XL rigging on 34+ boats? 
>>Tom Vaughan, Summer Love II, C 34+ DK, Buffalo, NY/ 
>> tomvaug...@yahoo.com
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

[Glen Dickson via CnC-List]

I own a 34+ (although won't be applying for a PHRF cert until this coming 
season), however, I have access to the PHRF-LO handicappers worksheet.
Lake Ontario only lists 3 versions of the 34+:
C 34/36+ DK (XL)
C 34/36+ WK
C 34/36R

That would imply the DK was only available on the XL, however, the brochure 
clearly shows the 7'3" fin was available on both the + and the XL versions.
I suspect you'd have to look at the mast, as + is twin spreader, XL is triple 
if I recall. I don't think the double was available on an XL and vice versa.

For comparison, PHRF-LO shows (all else being spec), the 34/36+ DK(XL to have 
an FS rating of 90, NFS of 111 with feathering/folding prop, and the 34/36+ WK 
to be  102/123

Glen Dickson
Nomad I
Lake Ontario


On 11/7/19, 1:55 PM, "CnC-List on behalf of T Sutton via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

As far as I know a 34/36 XL will have triple spreaders and running back and 
check stays.  The 34+ will have double spreaders and no running backs or 
check stays.

Tom S

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Vaughan via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 1:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Vaughan
Subject: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

I have a 1990 C 34 + DK. PHRF LE  say that the Rigging is that of a 35/36 
XL & not of the 34+. Thus I was given the much lower PHRF for the faster 
Boat. Did C put the 35/36 XL rigging on 34+ boats? 
Tom Vaughan, Summer Love II, C 34+ DK, Buffalo, NY/ tomvaug...@yahoo.com

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Re: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

[Glen Dickson via CnC-List]

I have a 1990 34+, but have never seen the stepped transom. 

 

Glen D.

 

The difference between + and XL versions was in the optional (read more 
expensive) hull layup on the XL (which was the same layup used on the R), which 
used a bit more Kevlar Hybrid Fabric and used Aircraft Grade Pre-Impregnated 
Balsa Core in place of Marine Grade Balsa core, so was lighter and perhaps a 
bit stronger.  It was just another option on the order sheet.

 

Most XLs were also ordered with the taller tapered mast with three spreaders so 
that is the usual way to tell them apart.  The order sheet gives the details if 
you have a copy of the original.  Look for the 'R' Racing layup option to see 
if it is ticked off.  If you are lucky enough to have the Build File all the 
details are in there.

 

In one C brochure for the 36 Series from 1994/1995 they say the XL mean 
'eXtra Light'.  The 36 Series is what they called the 34/36 in marketing 
materials after C's restructuring in 1993.  The Brochure page is here: 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/36foot/36xlb1pg02.htm

 

Skip to the last page of the Brochure to compare the Standard Equipment lists 
for the different versions.

 

Ken H.

 

On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 15:21, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I've done some research on this and found the 34/36 could be ordered with any 
combination.  Some plus models were ordered with short rigs and some with two 
spreader rigs and some with three spreader rigs.  There were several keels 
offered, 7' 4", 5' 3" wing, and later a centerboard version.  In '96, Mars 
Metals cast a 6' 3" keel for the boat.  Last I heard Mars lost the molds for 
the wing keel but still have the molds for the 6' 3" and 7' 4" models.  The 
difference between Plus and XL remains a mystery to me as I've seen several 
versions of each.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C 34R, Pasadena, Md




> On November 7, 2019 at 1:55 PM T Sutton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> As far as I know a 34/36 XL will have triple spreaders and running back and 
> check stays.  The 34+ will have double spreaders and no running backs or 
> check stays.
> 
> Tom S
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Tom Vaughan via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 1:34 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Tom Vaughan
> Subject: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL
> 
> I have a 1990 C 34 + DK. PHRF LE  say that the Rigging is that of a 35/36 
> XL & not of the 34+. Thus I was given the much lower PHRF for the faster 
> Boat. Did C put the 35/36 XL rigging on 34+ boats? 
> Tom Vaughan, Summer Love II, C 34+ DK, Buffalo, NY/ tomvaug...@yahoo.com
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Stus-List Yamaha 4 hp 2 cycle help

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Anyone have experience working on these?  Ripped off by mechanic and not much 
online for self help.

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Re: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I put all the construction drawings I have for the 37/40 series online at:
https://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/

I purchased all these drawing from the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at
Kingston, 53 Yonge Street, Kingston, Ontario K7M 6G4
https://www.marmuseum.ca/

613 542-2261  mana...@marmuseum.ca https://www.marmuseum.ca/

I don't know if any of the 34/36 owners have copies of the drawings for
their boats, Charles may know.

Ken H.


On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 16:27, James Bibb  wrote:

> James Bibb here in Alaska…I have the R version and find all of this
> information very helpful.  First time I’ve seen the order information.
>
> I’m always looking for detailed construction drawings for this model as I
> try and either diagram or look at renovation options.  Is there more
> resources for detailed plan and section…sailplane drawings for this model
> out there somewhere?
>
> James Bibb
> SV Darwins Folly
> 34/36R
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> The difference between + and XL versions was in the optional (read more
> expensive) hull layup on the XL (which was the same layup used on the R),
> which used a bit more Kevlar Hybrid Fabric and used Aircraft Grade
> Pre-Impregnated Balsa Core in place of Marine Grade Balsa core, so was
> lighter and perhaps a bit stronger.  It was just another option on the
> order sheet.
>
> Most XLs were also ordered with the taller tapered mast with three
> spreaders so that is the usual way to tell them apart.  The order sheet
> gives the details if you have a copy of the original.  Look for the 'R'
> Racing layup option to see if it is ticked off.  If you are lucky enough to
> have the Build File all the details are in there.
>
> In one C brochure for the 36 Series from 1994/1995 they say the XL mean
> 'eXtra Light'.  The 36 Series is what they called the 34/36 in marketing
> materials after C's restructuring in 1993.  The Brochure page is here:
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/36foot/36xlb1pg02.htm
>
> Skip to the last page of the Brochure to compare the Standard Equipment
> lists for the different versions.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 15:21, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I've done some research on this and found the 34/36 could be ordered with
>> any combination.  Some plus models were ordered with short rigs and some
>> with two spreader rigs and some with three spreader rigs.  There were
>> several keels offered, 7' 4", 5' 3" wing, and later a centerboard version.
>> In '96, Mars Metals cast a 6' 3" keel for the boat.  Last I heard Mars lost
>> the molds for the wing keel but still have the molds for the 6' 3" and 7'
>> 4" models.  The difference between Plus and XL remains a mystery to me as
>> I've seen several versions of each.
>>
>> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C 34R, Pasadena, Md
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On November 7, 2019 at 1:55 PM T Sutton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > As far as I know a 34/36 XL will have triple spreaders and running back
>> and
>> > check stays.  The 34+ will have double spreaders and no running backs
>> or
>> > check stays.
>> >
>> > Tom S
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Tom Vaughan via CnC-List
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 1:34 PM
>> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > Cc: Tom Vaughan
>> > Subject: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL
>> >
>> > I have a 1990 C 34 + DK. PHRF LE  say that the Rigging is that of a
>> 35/36
>> > XL & not of the 34+. Thus I was given the much lower PHRF for the
>> faster
>> > Boat. Did C put the 35/36 XL rigging on 34+ boats?
>> > Tom Vaughan, Summer Love II, C 34+ DK, Buffalo, NY/
>> tomvaug...@yahoo.com
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
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Re: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

[James Bibb via CnC-List]

James Bibb here in Alaska…I have the R version and find all of this information 
very helpful.  First time I’ve seen the order information. 

I’m always looking for detailed construction drawings for this model as I try 
and either diagram or look at renovation options.  Is there more resources for 
detailed plan and section…sailplane drawings for this model out there 
somewhere? 

James Bibb
SV Darwins Folly
34/36R



> On Nov 7, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The difference between + and XL versions was in the optional (read more 
> expensive) hull layup on the XL (which was the same layup used on the R), 
> which used a bit more Kevlar Hybrid Fabric and used Aircraft Grade 
> Pre-Impregnated Balsa Core in place of Marine Grade Balsa core, so was 
> lighter and perhaps a bit stronger.  It was just another option on the order 
> sheet.
> 
> Most XLs were also ordered with the taller tapered mast with three spreaders 
> so that is the usual way to tell them apart.  The order sheet gives the 
> details if you have a copy of the original.  Look for the 'R' Racing layup 
> option to see if it is ticked off.  If you are lucky enough to have the Build 
> File all the details are in there.
> 
> In one C brochure for the 36 Series from 1994/1995 they say the XL mean 
> 'eXtra Light'.  The 36 Series is what they called the 34/36 in marketing 
> materials after C's restructuring in 1993.  The Brochure page is here: 
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/36foot/36xlb1pg02.htm 
> 
> 
> Skip to the last page of the Brochure to compare the Standard Equipment lists 
> for the different versions.
> 
> Ken H.
> 
> On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 15:21, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I've done some research on this and found the 34/36 could be ordered with any 
> combination.  Some plus models were ordered with short rigs and some with two 
> spreader rigs and some with three spreader rigs.  There were several keels 
> offered, 7' 4", 5' 3" wing, and later a centerboard version.  In '96, Mars 
> Metals cast a 6' 3" keel for the boat.  Last I heard Mars lost the molds for 
> the wing keel but still have the molds for the 6' 3" and 7' 4" models.  The 
> difference between Plus and XL remains a mystery to me as I've seen several 
> versions of each.
> 
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C 34R, Pasadena, Md
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On November 7, 2019 at 1:55 PM T Sutton via CnC-List  > > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > As far as I know a 34/36 XL will have triple spreaders and running back and 
> > check stays.  The 34+ will have double spreaders and no running backs or 
> > check stays.
> > 
> > Tom S
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: Tom Vaughan via CnC-List
> > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 1:34 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> > Cc: Tom Vaughan
> > Subject: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL
> > 
> > I have a 1990 C 34 + DK. PHRF LE  say that the Rigging is that of a 35/36 
> > XL & not of the 34+. Thus I was given the much lower PHRF for the faster 
> > Boat. Did C put the 35/36 XL rigging on 34+ boats? 
> > Tom Vaughan, Summer Love II, C 34+ DK, Buffalo, NY/ tomvaug...@yahoo.com 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
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Re: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

The difference between + and XL versions was in the optional (read more
expensive) hull layup on the XL (which was the same layup used on the R),
which used a bit more Kevlar Hybrid Fabric and used Aircraft Grade
Pre-Impregnated Balsa Core in place of Marine Grade Balsa core, so was
lighter and perhaps a bit stronger.  It was just another option on the
order sheet.

Most XLs were also ordered with the taller tapered mast with three
spreaders so that is the usual way to tell them apart.  The order sheet
gives the details if you have a copy of the original.  Look for the 'R'
Racing layup option to see if it is ticked off.  If you are lucky enough to
have the Build File all the details are in there.

In one C brochure for the 36 Series from 1994/1995 they say the XL mean
'eXtra Light'.  The 36 Series is what they called the 34/36 in marketing
materials after C's restructuring in 1993.  The Brochure page is here:
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/36foot/36xlb1pg02.htm

Skip to the last page of the Brochure to compare the Standard Equipment
lists for the different versions.

Ken H.

On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 15:21, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've done some research on this and found the 34/36 could be ordered with
> any combination.  Some plus models were ordered with short rigs and some
> with two spreader rigs and some with three spreader rigs.  There were
> several keels offered, 7' 4", 5' 3" wing, and later a centerboard version.
> In '96, Mars Metals cast a 6' 3" keel for the boat.  Last I heard Mars lost
> the molds for the wing keel but still have the molds for the 6' 3" and 7'
> 4" models.  The difference between Plus and XL remains a mystery to me as
> I've seen several versions of each.
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C 34R, Pasadena, Md
>
>
>
>
> > On November 7, 2019 at 1:55 PM T Sutton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > As far as I know a 34/36 XL will have triple spreaders and running back
> and
> > check stays.  The 34+ will have double spreaders and no running backs or
> > check stays.
> >
> > Tom S
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tom Vaughan via CnC-List
> > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 1:34 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Cc: Tom Vaughan
> > Subject: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL
> >
> > I have a 1990 C 34 + DK. PHRF LE  say that the Rigging is that of a
> 35/36
> > XL & not of the 34+. Thus I was given the much lower PHRF for the faster
> > Boat. Did C put the 35/36 XL rigging on 34+ boats?
> > Tom Vaughan, Summer Love II, C 34+ DK, Buffalo, NY/
> tomvaug...@yahoo.com
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Re: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hey Tom,

Curious, What's your PHRF rating?  

Chuck  


> On November 7, 2019 at 1:34 PM Tom Vaughan via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a 1990 C 34 + DK. PHRF LE  say that the Rigging is that of a 35/36 
> XL & not of the 34+. Thus I was given the much lower PHRF for the faster 
> Boat. Did C put the 35/36 XL rigging on 34+ boats?  
>   Tom Vaughan, Summer Love II, C 34+ DK, Buffalo, NY/ 
> tomvaug...@yahoo.com
> 
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Re: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I've done some research on this and found the 34/36 could be ordered with any 
combination.  Some plus models were ordered with short rigs and some with two 
spreader rigs and some with three spreader rigs.  There were several keels 
offered, 7' 4", 5' 3" wing, and later a centerboard version.  In '96, Mars 
Metals cast a 6' 3" keel for the boat.  Last I heard Mars lost the molds for 
the wing keel but still have the molds for the 6' 3" and 7' 4" models.  The 
difference between Plus and XL remains a mystery to me as I've seen several 
versions of each.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C 34R, Pasadena, Md




> On November 7, 2019 at 1:55 PM T Sutton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> As far as I know a 34/36 XL will have triple spreaders and running back and 
> check stays.  The 34+ will have double spreaders and no running backs or 
> check stays.
> 
> Tom S
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Tom Vaughan via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 1:34 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Tom Vaughan
> Subject: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL
> 
> I have a 1990 C 34 + DK. PHRF LE  say that the Rigging is that of a 35/36 
> XL & not of the 34+. Thus I was given the much lower PHRF for the faster 
> Boat. Did C put the 35/36 XL rigging on 34+ boats? 
> Tom Vaughan, Summer Love II, C 34+ DK, Buffalo, NY/ tomvaug...@yahoo.com
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

[T Sutton via CnC-List]

As far as I know a 34/36 XL will have triple spreaders and running back and 
check stays.  The 34+ will have double spreaders and no running backs or 
check stays.


Tom S

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Vaughan via CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 1:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Vaughan
Subject: Stus-List C 34+ DK & C 35/36 XL

I have a 1990 C 34 + DK. PHRF LE  say that the Rigging is that of a 35/36 
XL & not of the 34+. Thus I was given the much lower PHRF for the faster 
Boat. Did C put the 35/36 XL rigging on 34+ boats? 
Tom Vaughan, Summer Love II, C 34+ DK, Buffalo, NY/ tomvaug...@yahoo.com


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[Tom Vaughan via CnC-List]

I have a 1990 C 34 + DK. PHRF LE  say that the Rigging is that of a 35/36 XL 
& not of the 34+. Thus I was given the much lower PHRF for the faster Boat. Did 
C put the 35/36 XL rigging on 34+ boats?  
  Tom Vaughan, Summer Love II, C 34+ DK, Buffalo, NY/ tomvaug...@yahoo.com

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Resealing

[James Hesketh via CnC-List]

Thanks again for the comments.

I've got an order of Captain Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure on the way and
will use that as I tighten the bolts as most have suggested.

Looking forward to finishing these projects and begin sailing again --
might even try to make the Fla Randevu if it works out.

Fair Winds . . ..

Jim Hesketh
Whisper C 29
Coconut Grove, FL

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 4:36 PM Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I had a fellow competitor drift into me on a no-wind day and the tall bow
> of his large boat bent the toe rail, just forward of the joint between the
> two halves. I took it off – about 50 bolt/nut/washer combinations. A local
> shop put it on their 20x20 flat table and straightened it and I put it back
> on with a fresh strip of butyl. No leaks – It was not fun taking it off, as
> access is not the best (I found on a 30-1 if you take the shelves off in
> the Vee berth area, it is a lot easier). Put it back on – much easier and
> no leaks. I doubt you would need the 5200.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *James
> Hesketh via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 6, 2019 7:39 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* James Hesketh 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Resealing
>
>
>
> Thank you all for the helpful responses.
>
>
>
> I did have extensive leaking from under the toerail when first getting the
> boat 5 years ago and mostly stopped it by running a bead of 5200 around the
> inner perimeter of the rail and figured that was a temporary fix. That 5200
> had now degraded and is cracking, I'm assuming due to UV exposure.
>
>
>
> My boat has been a Florida boat since new and I'm guessing the heat has
> had an affect on the deck/hull seal -- the original butyl sealant is
> weeping out and dripping down onto the inner hull (big mess); it would be
> an impossible job to remove the deck to replace. Don't know why I never
> thought to check the bolt tightness before it being mentioned in your
> replies; they are almost all finger-loose, I'm assuming because of the
> settling of the deck due to the loss of the original deck/hull sealant. I
> haven't seen any weeping of the sealant between the toerail and deck
>
>
>
> I'm currently prepping the boat for deck/cabin/cockpit painting and have
> all deck hardware removed and will re-bed when refitting -- now is the time
> to tackle this.
>
>
>
> I'm thinking now my options are to go with my original plan of total R
> of the rail -- or to pull the bolts a few at a time, work some fresh butyl
> into the hole and screw the bolt back in through the sealant, tighten them
> properly, and back that up with another bead of calk on the deck/rail if
> needed (and redo that every few years as needed).
>
>
>
> Thoughts . . .?
>
>
>
> Last year I rebuilt the kingpost support in the bilge, reinforced the
> bulkheads for the chain plates and did some deck repair where the chain
> plates went through, did some glass/gelcoat work around the fore hatch
> where it had deformed due to the mast step setteling, made a new main hatch
> slider and cockpit locker rails. I enjoy bringing her back to shape, but I
> do enjoy sailing more than working on her. I figure these projects will be
> good for another few decades.
>
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 3:21 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> This link will take you (should take you?) to a drawing of the C toe
> rail design by 1988 or so:
>
>
>
>
> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/a9bOV0skefEUTFpVkv51NwlYdrABb80JetHmGGeftc-PldDJ8aKaUXnUIPBbrBcvKjmlAtasRO2pjwvuFYHGYx4faUPYxLb6qQKvCVHCGyOcywF-TyJZ-otqWTYyRzMHyhW1gk_lBUwtLo5fCWneDsjWlqD6CRnJeEtCCFBBWfZPJrW3jkKa9XDbHwUBggCBdoTwe-RNvX66kvPmOqKceLDKSV_EP5XOhOWoQXeUCz-0ScJ-4Gp1sjozsS9lz5eAhF-tD90yYrbGwq0_6XS4DWPtJt0uznrt_3tCzJeAawhBbv0Djih947M8tI9C8dQXyqBS8EgDMI4jNvyNOZall4nFT2yDac4lhxpMginaj4poGEBeEP7_fGdoX0b-5chgfu3vt8jKOjSZ-L7I4qmez7BPkMWMhvXErtwpQihxQBb7x072jjn6Qg5xoNwTqVhxAmQuvxDP7JsD9rudEEI4256eYKGqS8Xn9iFR15-TC5nEB9NKfDGpEP4dp56zvKKmjuyqLHjVI1XSV7MZ-0IPVevvkKoVeWhHOGo-9gj4mCrG5_vce1-l-5yDPNn_uqlobzzW4rvkBtpTRx7sopLHxAuN-eBIFRL-XK9Nbc5KiAeE1v7wGxD-yXd_Gq5SawAeb0MYBGaStF_TMeW6Ve6bdGP1dMUCJf0si24nNuPdBYqU5MJSH5LanQ=w805-h1057-no
>
>
>
> I realise the older boats are a bit different as the Rub Rail is part of
> the 'sandwich' in the older ones.
>
>
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 14:34, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I think you’ll find the consensus of advice to be “Don’t do it.”
>
>
>
> The hull to deck joint and toe rail on the older C is a pretty well
> engineered setup that will last a lifetime. There are several  hundred of
> us on the list, and I suspect the number who have had leaks in the toe rail
> or hull to deck join is near single digits.
>
>
>
> Basically the joint (from bottom to  top) is as follows: Inward facing
> flange on the hull, layer of butyl, rubber rub rail riveted to the hull
> flange, another layer of 

Re: Stus-List Nav Station Light...FREE!

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I’ll take it! I’ll send you a shipping label and will send Stu a $10 donation 
(adding on to my earlier donations). 


All the best, 

Edd

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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:42 AM, David Risch via CnC-List  
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