Re: Stus-List SailTimer Experiences-Tacktick

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

My mast is supposed to be 54’ and my Tacktick has worked perfectly for years.  
It is nuts that Raymarine has done nothing since buying the company.  The fact 
that the Chartplotter has wireless capability but can’t talk to the Tacktick is 
just stupid, and forced me to spent hundreds for a converter box to get it on 
the network.  Dave

> On Dec 19, 2019, at 2:17 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not trying to redirect the thread, but since you raised the topic of 
> Tacktick, I've been meaning to see what the list's response to this might be. 
> 
> I've had Tacktick (Raymarine) wind system for about 5 years, and I've added 
> inputs from GPS, speed/depth, so have a fair bit invested in the system.  
> However, I've never really had satisfactory performance with the wind sensor, 
> it drops out more that half the time, and for racing that makes it almost 
> useless.  This summer I put a new battery and bearings in the sensor, got 
> marginally better performance, then I tried hoisting one of my displays up to 
> the spreaders (don't ask) to see if it acts as a relay to the sensors in the 
> cockpit, and that didn't help much.  Finally got through to someone in the UK 
>  (I think) in Raymarine's tech support, who pretty much told me that a 50' 
> mast is really too far for the wind sensor.
> 
> So my question too: what have others found with regards the the Tacktick wind 
> and at what mast height are you using them?
> 
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2019, at 13:43, John Conklin via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Wowza ! Nice rant :) lol 😝 
>>> Crazy  !! You just can’t make that stuff  up!
>>> On another note how do you like the TackTick considering this for Christmas 
>>> request from Mrs Claus as I can use on both  the C&C and the Etchells ! :) 
>>> 
>>> John Conklin 
>>> S/V Halcyon 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Racing

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Can't the race committee protest OBSERVED violation under RSS 60.2?
Bill Walker

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 detroito91 via CnC-List  
wrote:
Race Committee cannot protest if they see something wrong.  Only observe.Jim 
Schwartz SEA YA !38 Landfall Washington nc 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
 Date: 12/22/19 4:00 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 
"'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'"  Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing 

I believe the committee boat could have protested.
 
  
 
In any event the protestee should have done turns or retired once the protestor 
announced protest regardless if it was a flag or a hat
 
  
 
Mike
 
Persistence
 
Halifax, ns
 
  
 
From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List
Sent: December 22, 2019 3:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing
 
  
 
Very true about the protest flag. Recently our crew was the Race Committee boat 
for club racing, and we witnessed a pretty severe rule violation at the start 
line, but the violated boat didn't have a protest flag, and tried to use a hat 
on the back stay instead. They knew it wouldn't be allowed so didn't file a 
protest (although I think the offending boat may have later taken a penalty 
turn as a precaution). I was surprised since these are all very experienced 
sailors, but I suppose it was just a Sunday club race. Presumably they would be 
better prepared in a more serious race, but maybe not. There are a few skippers 
who are very aware of the rules, and also a bit aggressive, and use this to 
their advantage to intimidate other boats, knowing that many will back down 
even if they don't have to. 
 


 
--
 
Shawn Wright
 
shawngwri...@gmail.com
 
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
 
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
 
  
 
  
 
On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 3:06 AM dwight veinot via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

Racing sailboats inevitably leads to collisions between boats and lots of close 
calls. Collisions are not fun. Protest hearings are not fun and often not done 
for non- collision encounters where rules may have been violated therefore. 
Sailboat racing has a huge volume of rules which very few sailors know and know 
how to apply in close quarter encounters. Without protests and protest hearings 
racing can be a farce. But in my experience protests and hearings were scarce 
and some boats do not even carry a protest flag or if they do the crew does not 
know where to find it when it could reasonably be used. 
 
  
 
On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

RacingI don't do it anymore.   But when I raced, I raced mostly with
a core of 5 good friends, one my brother.

I learned a lot over many years, on different boats, doing different 
jobs, full crew and short crew days, in all kinds of conditions. Over 
the years racing, I have spent some time on the foredeck... no one else 
wanted do it.   Some days I thought that was a good thing, some days it 
was not so greata sail change down in a heavy building breeze 
bouncing around up front in the spray...yea, this is fun.

Now doing a spinnaker peel right felt really good.especially in the 
middle of the fleet where everyone gets to see it done, and done 
smoothly.  Head sails changes are done regularly but changing a 
spinnaker under sail could only be done smoothly if you had practiced 
it.  We had some good races and we had some bad races. And we spent time 
practicing.    We practiced to the point where, for example, where I 
could put my hand on a halyard and the pit man knew exactly what halyard 
and what to do with it without me shouting me back a command.

After a race, the beers were open for the passage home.  After the boat 
was docked. sails packed, etc. the first half hour was spent talking 
about the racewhat did we do wrong, what went right. After that we 
normally got juvenile.

In 1995, I wanted something different from racingbought a Kirby 25 
that we raced against as our main boat for boat competitor, the J24 
fleet with 4 of the 5 original amigosme and 3 of the amigos left my 
friend's C&C 34R to race the K25...racing is totally different when 
you are on the helm and not on the foredeck when you get to a mark and 
there are 15 other boats there compared to normal handicap racing where 
twenty minutes after the start the fleet spreads out.

No matter how you choose to race, it helps a lot if the crew can size up 
the competition, decide where they expect to place in their respective 
fleetbottom 3rd, middle 3rd, or top 3rd.  If you can get the crew to 
talk about this and agree, saves a lot of different expectations among crew.

Racing is 50% boat, 50% crew and 50% luck on any given day.  I have had 
the good fortune to have benefited from all three, and in a few races, 
all three!

Robert Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 #277
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Racing

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

Race Committee cannot protest if they see something wrong.  Only observe.Jim 
Schwartz SEA YA !38 Landfall Washington nc Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 
smartphone
 Original message From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
 Date: 12/22/19  4:00 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
"'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'"  Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing 

I believe the committee boat could have protested.
 
In any event the protestee should have done turns or retired once the protestor 
announced protest regardless if it was a flag or a hat
 
Mike
Persistence
Halifax, ns
 
From: CnC-List 
On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List
Sent: December 22, 2019 3:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing
 

Very true about the protest flag. Recently our crew was the Race Committee boat 
for club racing, and we witnessed a pretty severe rule violation at the start 
line, but the violated boat didn't have a protest flag, and tried to use a hat
 on the back stay instead. They knew it wouldn't be allowed so didn't file a 
protest (although I think the offending boat may have later taken a penalty 
turn as a precaution). I was surprised since these are all very experienced 
sailors, but I suppose it was
 just a Sunday club race. Presumably they would be better prepared in a more 
serious race, but maybe not. There are a few skippers who are very aware of the 
rules, and also a bit aggressive, and use this to their advantage to intimidate 
other boats, knowing
 that many will back down even if they don't have to. 








--


Shawn Wright


shawngwri...@gmail.com


S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35


https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto





 


 


On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 3:06 AM dwight veinot via CnC-List 
 wrote:




Racing sailboats inevitably leads to collisions between boats and lots of close 
calls. Collisions are not fun. Protest hearings are not fun and often not done 
for non- collision encounters where rules may have been violated therefore. 
Sailboat
 racing has a huge volume of rules which very few sailors know and know how to 
apply in close quarter encounters. Without protests and protest hearings racing 
can be a farce. But in my experience protests and hearings were scarce and some 
boats do not even
 carry a protest flag or if they do the crew does not know where to find it 
when it could reasonably be used. 



 


On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
 wrote:


RacingI don't do it anymore.   But when I raced, I raced mostly with

a core of 5 good friends, one my brother.

I learned a lot over many years, on different boats, doing different 
jobs, full crew and short crew days, in all kinds of conditions. Over 
the years racing, I have spent some time on the foredeck... no one else 
wanted do it.   Some days I thought that was a good thing, some days it 
was not so greata sail change down in a heavy building breeze 
bouncing around up front in the spray...yea, this is fun.

Now doing a spinnaker peel right felt really good.especially in the 
middle of the fleet where everyone gets to see it done, and done 
smoothly.  Head sails changes are done regularly but changing a 
spinnaker under sail could only be done smoothly if you had practiced 
it.  We had some good races and we had some bad races. And we spent time 
practicing.    We practiced to the point where, for example, where I 
could put my hand on a halyard and the pit man knew exactly what halyard 
and what to do with it without me shouting me back a command.

After a race, the beers were open for the passage home.  After the boat 
was docked. sails packed, etc. the first half hour was spent talking 
about the racewhat did we do wrong, what went right. After that we 
normally got juvenile.

In 1995, I wanted something different from racingbought a Kirby 25 
that we raced against as our main boat for boat competitor, the J24 
fleet with 4 of the 5 original amigosme and 3 of the amigos left my 
friend's C&C 34R to race the K25...racing is totally different when 
you are on the helm and not on the foredeck when you get to a mark and 
there are 15 other boats there compared to normal handicap racing where 
twenty minutes after the start the fleet spreads out.

No matter how you choose to race, it helps a lot if the crew can size up 
the competition, decide where they expect to place in their respective 
fleetbottom 3rd, middle 3rd, or top 3rd.  If you can get the crew to 
talk about this and agree, saves a lot of different expectations among crew.

Racing is 50% boat, 50% crew and 50% luck on any given day.  I have had 
the good fortune to have benefited from all three, and in a few races, 
all three!

Robert Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 #277
Halifax, N.S.


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Stus-List Flying the 1.5 oz spinnaker

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

We've only flown the 1.5 oz spinnaker on Touche' twice.  To say the least
it's exhilarating.

Back in the early 2000's when we were racing the boat hard, we were in a
regatta on the Gulf Coast.  On Saturday with two windward/leeward twice
around races scheduled, it was blowing in the high teens to near 20.  We
rounded the windward mark, launched the 1.5 and prayed.  Again, the rule on
Touche' is never let the center seam in the bottom panel cross to windward
of the forestay.  We don't carry the pole square like we do in light to
moderate breeze.  We ease the pole forward so that center seam moves to
leeward.  This puts the boat in a quasi-reaching configuration.  You're
still susceptible to broaching but much less susceptible to a death roll
(been there, done that, don't ever want to do it again).  We also choked
the chute with the twings to reduce oscillations.  Since we were doing hull
speed, we headed deep for the downwind mark and never gybed.

Touche's 1.5 oz at that time had very narrow shoulders so the power aloft
was reduced.  This makes the chute easier to control.

Even with all those measures and an experienced crew, it was a heck of a
ride.  We did a very early take down as I remember.  Took 2-3 crew to
wrestle the chute down.

We chose not to fly it the second downwind but did again in the first
downwind of the second race.  I think we won our class in that regatta.
Memorable day.  Don't want to do it again.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List JAM vs Spinnaker Racing

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

Ted Turner came to New Orleans and sailed a race with my cousin Buddy 
Friedrichs, 1968 Olympic gold medalist in Dragons. Never laughed so much from 
Turner’s barrage of stories. Laughed more when Buddy sent him to do foredeck! 
He was pathetic. 

Ed Levert
C&C 34 Briarpatch
New Orleans

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was sailing with Turner in a race in Annapolis when we hoisted the half 
> oz, then the 3/4, then the 1.5 oz and god took all three down. Good thing 
> because by the time the 1.5 exploded we were too scared to douse it!
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 139 Tuckerman Ave
> Middletown, RI 
> USA 02842
> 
> +401 965 5260
> https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Dec 19, 2019, at 21:05, David Risch via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> "Man puts it up and God takes it down"... Ted Turner sometime in the 70s.
>> 
>> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>> 
>> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Michael Brown 
>> via CnC-List 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 8:44:56 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> Cc: Michael Brown 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List JAM vs Spinnaker Racing
>>  
>> Let me guess, easiest take down ever.
>> 
>> Michael Brown
>> Windburn
>> C&C 30-1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Della Barba, Joe"  
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
>> Sent: 12/19/2019 11:23 AM 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List JAM vs Spinnaker Racing 
>> 
>> During an informal race up the Chester with a C&C 40 it was just my wife on 
>> board with me managing the chute. We had to harden up to a beam reach for a 
>> section of the S-turning river right when a big gust hit and launched 
>> red-white-and-blue nylon confetti all over the river L
>> 
>> I had the unenviable task of informing my wife those bits of nylon were 
>> going to cost more than what her car was worth to replace.
>> 
>> On the plus side all the luff tapes held, we had an empty triangle still 
>> flying!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Joe Della Barba
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David 
>> Risch via CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 11:15 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: David Risch 
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List JAM vs Spinnaker Racing
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Breakage…don’t forget the breakage - 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> David F. Risch
>> 
>> (401) 419-4650
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:48 PM
>> To: CnClist 
>> Cc: Dennis C. 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List JAM vs Spinnaker Racing
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Yes, spinnakers can nearly double your racing costs.  Years ago, at the 
>> height of Touche's racing program, we had 0.6, 0.75 and 1.5 oz chutes, two 
>> part high tech Dyneema/StaSet spin sheets, Harken carbo-ratchet tweakers 
>> (twings), custom chute launch bags, double pole downhaul(goes down each side 
>> of cabin and is trimmed in cockpit), a spinnaker halyard parking cleat, a 
>> "defraculator" (don't ask), light air spin sheets and probably a few more 
>> boat bucks of stuff I can't recall.  I'm guessing all that adds up to 
>> somewhere around 10 big boat bucks.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You don't need to dive in that deep.  A used chute, a few blocks and some 
>> old sheets will start you off just fine.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Yes, you can race spin on a budget and still have a lot of fun.  The best 
>> way to experiennce spin racing and learn is on someone else's boat.  That's 
>> what I did.  I spent several years crewing before I bought Touche' and 
>> started my own racing program.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> 
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> 
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:37 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You are correct regarding expense--spin racing just requires more of 
>> everything--crew, boat, gear, sails, food, drinks, etc. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I like to race in what my crew prefers and also in the most competitive 
>> arena. Locally at least, the JAM fleet is not competitive enough for 
>> us--except for those whose high ratings in light air make it impossible to 
>> race fairly against them. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Of course I like to win but more importantly I want race in a competitive 
>> fleet, even if I come in last but close to my competitors. Winning most of 
>> the time in our local JAM fleet is not as much fun as busting our collective 
>> as...es to come in last among the best local racers. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That's my story and I am sticking to it!!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Charlie Nelson
>> 
>> Water Phantom
>> 
>> C&C 36 XL/kcb
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
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> Th

Re: Stus-List Teak Veneer...

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I have some but I'm probably too far away. I just used some 1/8" teak
veneer to laminate onto plywood for a new electrical panel. The nice thing
about the 1/8" veneer is you can make it to any thickness you need by
bonding with plywood.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 12:32 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Need to buy a 10” x 25” sheet of teak veneer.  Anybody have any left-over
> they want to sell?
>
>
>
> *David F. Risch*
>
> *(401) 419-4650*
>
>
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Re: Stus-List JAM vs Spinnaker Racing

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I was sailing with Turner in a race in Annapolis when we hoisted the half oz, 
then the 3/4, then the 1.5 oz and god took all three down. Good thing because 
by the time the 1.5 exploded we were too scared to douse it!
Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA 02842

+401 965 5260
https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/



> On Dec 19, 2019, at 21:05, David Risch via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> "Man puts it up and God takes it down"... Ted Turner sometime in the 70s.
> 
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
> 
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Michael Brown via 
> CnC-List 
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 8:44:56 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Michael Brown 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List JAM vs Spinnaker Racing
>  
> Let me guess, easiest take down ever.
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Della Barba, Joe"  
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
> Sent: 12/19/2019 11:23 AM 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List JAM vs Spinnaker Racing 
> 
> During an informal race up the Chester with a C&C 40 it was just my wife on 
> board with me managing the chute. We had to harden up to a beam reach for a 
> section of the S-turning river right when a big gust hit and launched 
> red-white-and-blue nylon confetti all over the river L
> 
> I had the unenviable task of informing my wife those bits of nylon were going 
> to cost more than what her car was worth to replace.
> 
> On the plus side all the luff tapes held, we had an empty triangle still 
> flying!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> 
> Coquina
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David 
> Risch via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 11:15 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: David Risch 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List JAM vs Spinnaker Racing
> 
>  
> 
> Breakage…don’t forget the breakage - 
> 
>  
> 
> David F. Risch
> 
> (401) 419-4650
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:48 PM
> To: CnClist 
> Cc: Dennis C. 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List JAM vs Spinnaker Racing
> 
>  
> 
> Yes, spinnakers can nearly double your racing costs.  Years ago, at the 
> height of Touche's racing program, we had 0.6, 0.75 and 1.5 oz chutes, two 
> part high tech Dyneema/StaSet spin sheets, Harken carbo-ratchet tweakers 
> (twings), custom chute launch bags, double pole downhaul(goes down each side 
> of cabin and is trimmed in cockpit), a spinnaker halyard parking cleat, a 
> "defraculator" (don't ask), light air spin sheets and probably a few more 
> boat bucks of stuff I can't recall.  I'm guessing all that adds up to 
> somewhere around 10 big boat bucks.
> 
>  
> 
> You don't need to dive in that deep.  A used chute, a few blocks and some old 
> sheets will start you off just fine.  
> 
>  
> 
> Yes, you can race spin on a budget and still have a lot of fun.  The best way 
> to experiennce spin racing and learn is on someone else's boat.  That's what 
> I did.  I spent several years crewing before I bought Touche' and started my 
> own racing program.  
> 
>  
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> 
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:37 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> You are correct regarding expense--spin racing just requires more of 
> everything--crew, boat, gear, sails, food, drinks, etc. 
> 
>  
> 
> I like to race in what my crew prefers and also in the most competitive 
> arena. Locally at least, the JAM fleet is not competitive enough for 
> us--except for those whose high ratings in light air make it impossible to 
> race fairly against them. 
> 
>  
> 
> Of course I like to win but more importantly I want race in a competitive 
> fleet, even if I come in last but close to my competitors. Winning most of 
> the time in our local JAM fleet is not as much fun as busting our collective 
> as...es to come in last among the best local racers. 
> 
>  
> 
> That's my story and I am sticking to it!!
> 
>  
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> 
> Water Phantom
> 
> C&C 36 XL/kcb
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ___
> 
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> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Re: Stus-List Racing

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I believe the committee boat could have protested.

In any event the protestee should have done turns or retired once the protestor 
announced protest regardless if it was a flag or a hat

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, ns

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List
Sent: December 22, 2019 3:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing

Very true about the protest flag. Recently our crew was the Race Committee boat 
for club racing, and we witnessed a pretty severe rule violation at the start 
line, but the violated boat didn't have a protest flag, and tried to use a hat 
on the back stay instead. They knew it wouldn't be allowed so didn't file a 
protest (although I think the offending boat may have later taken a penalty 
turn as a precaution). I was surprised since these are all very experienced 
sailors, but I suppose it was just a Sunday club race. Presumably they would be 
better prepared in a more serious race, but maybe not. There are a few skippers 
who are very aware of the rules, and also a bit aggressive, and use this to 
their advantage to intimidate other boats, knowing that many will back down 
even if they don't have to.

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S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
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On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 3:06 AM dwight veinot via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Racing sailboats inevitably leads to collisions between boats and lots of close 
calls. Collisions are not fun. Protest hearings are not fun and often not done 
for non- collision encounters where rules may have been violated therefore. 
Sailboat racing has a huge volume of rules which very few sailors know and know 
how to apply in close quarter encounters. Without protests and protest hearings 
racing can be a farce. But in my experience protests and hearings were scarce 
and some boats do not even carry a protest flag or if they do the crew does not 
know where to find it when it could reasonably be used.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
RacingI don't do it anymore.   But when I raced, I raced mostly with
a core of 5 good friends, one my brother.

I learned a lot over many years, on different boats, doing different
jobs, full crew and short crew days, in all kinds of conditions. Over
the years racing, I have spent some time on the foredeck... no one else
wanted do it.   Some days I thought that was a good thing, some days it
was not so greata sail change down in a heavy building breeze
bouncing around up front in the spray...yea, this is fun.

Now doing a spinnaker peel right felt really good.especially in the
middle of the fleet where everyone gets to see it done, and done
smoothly.  Head sails changes are done regularly but changing a
spinnaker under sail could only be done smoothly if you had practiced
it.  We had some good races and we had some bad races. And we spent time
practicing.We practiced to the point where, for example, where I
could put my hand on a halyard and the pit man knew exactly what halyard
and what to do with it without me shouting me back a command.

After a race, the beers were open for the passage home.  After the boat
was docked. sails packed, etc. the first half hour was spent talking
about the racewhat did we do wrong, what went right. After that we
normally got juvenile.

In 1995, I wanted something different from racingbought a Kirby 25
that we raced against as our main boat for boat competitor, the J24
fleet with 4 of the 5 original amigosme and 3 of the amigos left my
friend's C&C 34R to race the K25...racing is totally different when
you are on the helm and not on the foredeck when you get to a mark and
there are 15 other boats there compared to normal handicap racing where
twenty minutes after the start the fleet spreads out.

No matter how you choose to race, it helps a lot if the crew can size up
the competition, decide where they expect to place in their respective
fleetbottom 3rd, middle 3rd, or top 3rd.  If you can get the crew to
talk about this and agree, saves a lot of different expectations among crew.

Racing is 50% boat, 50% crew and 50% luck on any given day.  I have had
the good fortune to have benefited from all three, and in a few races,
all three!

Robert Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 #277
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Teak Veneer...

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Try Narragansett Shipwrights near the roundabout in Newport.

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
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> On Dec 22, 2019, at 15:31, David Risch via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Need to buy a 10” x 25” sheet of teak veneer.  Anybody have any left-over 
> they want to sell?
>  
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650
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Very true about the protest flag. Recently our crew was the Race Committee
boat for club racing, and we witnessed a pretty severe rule violation at
the start line, but the violated boat didn't have a protest flag, and tried
to use a hat on the back stay instead. They knew it wouldn't be allowed so
didn't file a protest (although I think the offending boat may have later
taken a penalty turn as a precaution). I was surprised since these are all
very experienced sailors, but I suppose it was just a Sunday club race.
Presumably they would be better prepared in a more serious race, but
maybe not. There are a few skippers who are very aware of the rules, and
also a bit aggressive, and use this to their advantage to intimidate other
boats, knowing that many will back down even if they don't have to.

--
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shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
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On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 3:06 AM dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Racing sailboats inevitably leads to collisions between boats and lots of
> close calls. Collisions are not fun. Protest hearings are not fun and often
> not done for non- collision encounters where rules may have been violated
> therefore. Sailboat racing has a huge volume of rules which very few
> sailors know and know how to apply in close quarter encounters. Without
> protests and protest hearings racing can be a farce. But in my experience
> protests and hearings were scarce and some boats do not even carry a
> protest flag or if they do the crew does not know where to find it when it
> could reasonably be used.
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> RacingI don't do it anymore.   But when I raced, I raced mostly with
>> a core of 5 good friends, one my brother.
>>
>> I learned a lot over many years, on different boats, doing different
>> jobs, full crew and short crew days, in all kinds of conditions. Over
>> the years racing, I have spent some time on the foredeck... no one else
>> wanted do it.   Some days I thought that was a good thing, some days it
>> was not so greata sail change down in a heavy building breeze
>> bouncing around up front in the spray...yea, this is fun.
>>
>> Now doing a spinnaker peel right felt really good.especially in the
>> middle of the fleet where everyone gets to see it done, and done
>> smoothly.  Head sails changes are done regularly but changing a
>> spinnaker under sail could only be done smoothly if you had practiced
>> it.  We had some good races and we had some bad races. And we spent time
>> practicing.We practiced to the point where, for example, where I
>> could put my hand on a halyard and the pit man knew exactly what halyard
>> and what to do with it without me shouting me back a command.
>>
>> After a race, the beers were open for the passage home.  After the boat
>> was docked. sails packed, etc. the first half hour was spent talking
>> about the racewhat did we do wrong, what went right. After that we
>> normally got juvenile.
>>
>> In 1995, I wanted something different from racingbought a Kirby 25
>> that we raced against as our main boat for boat competitor, the J24
>> fleet with 4 of the 5 original amigosme and 3 of the amigos left my
>> friend's C&C 34R to race the K25...racing is totally different when
>> you are on the helm and not on the foredeck when you get to a mark and
>> there are 15 other boats there compared to normal handicap racing where
>> twenty minutes after the start the fleet spreads out.
>>
>> No matter how you choose to race, it helps a lot if the crew can size up
>> the competition, decide where they expect to place in their respective
>> fleetbottom 3rd, middle 3rd, or top 3rd.  If you can get the crew to
>> talk about this and agree, saves a lot of different expectations among
>> crew.
>>
>> Racing is 50% boat, 50% crew and 50% luck on any given day.  I have had
>> the good fortune to have benefited from all three, and in a few races,
>> all three!
>>
>> Robert Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 #277
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>
>>
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Racing sailboats inevitably leads to collisions between boats and lots of
close calls. Collisions are not fun. Protest hearings are not fun and often
not done for non- collision encounters where rules may have been violated
therefore. Sailboat racing has a huge volume of rules which very few
sailors know and know how to apply in close quarter encounters. Without
protests and protest hearings racing can be a farce. But in my experience
protests and hearings were scarce and some boats do not even carry a
protest flag or if they do the crew does not know where to find it when it
could reasonably be used.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> RacingI don't do it anymore.   But when I raced, I raced mostly with
> a core of 5 good friends, one my brother.
>
> I learned a lot over many years, on different boats, doing different
> jobs, full crew and short crew days, in all kinds of conditions. Over
> the years racing, I have spent some time on the foredeck... no one else
> wanted do it.   Some days I thought that was a good thing, some days it
> was not so greata sail change down in a heavy building breeze
> bouncing around up front in the spray...yea, this is fun.
>
> Now doing a spinnaker peel right felt really good.especially in the
> middle of the fleet where everyone gets to see it done, and done
> smoothly.  Head sails changes are done regularly but changing a
> spinnaker under sail could only be done smoothly if you had practiced
> it.  We had some good races and we had some bad races. And we spent time
> practicing.We practiced to the point where, for example, where I
> could put my hand on a halyard and the pit man knew exactly what halyard
> and what to do with it without me shouting me back a command.
>
> After a race, the beers were open for the passage home.  After the boat
> was docked. sails packed, etc. the first half hour was spent talking
> about the racewhat did we do wrong, what went right. After that we
> normally got juvenile.
>
> In 1995, I wanted something different from racingbought a Kirby 25
> that we raced against as our main boat for boat competitor, the J24
> fleet with 4 of the 5 original amigosme and 3 of the amigos left my
> friend's C&C 34R to race the K25...racing is totally different when
> you are on the helm and not on the foredeck when you get to a mark and
> there are 15 other boats there compared to normal handicap racing where
> twenty minutes after the start the fleet spreads out.
>
> No matter how you choose to race, it helps a lot if the crew can size up
> the competition, decide where they expect to place in their respective
> fleetbottom 3rd, middle 3rd, or top 3rd.  If you can get the crew to
> talk about this and agree, saves a lot of different expectations among
> crew.
>
> Racing is 50% boat, 50% crew and 50% luck on any given day.  I have had
> the good fortune to have benefited from all three, and in a few races,
> all three!
>
> Robert Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
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