Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Would that go for spreader tips as well? I have some serious corrosion issues 
lower spreaders :(

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
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On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:10 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List  
wrote:


Take the entire shroud off at its end points and take it to a rigging shop. 
Don’t mess around with shrouds

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:27 PM Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello fellow Listers,

I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud had 
loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as though 
the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't know how to 
remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it without or is there a 
trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?

Thanks
Adam Hayden.

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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Ok so i didn’t see this before i posted so that makes it plus 2 on the
importance of shrouds on sailboats

On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 5:48 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> 1+ on having a rigger check it out--even if you can replace it, your rig
> will likely need tuned.
>
> IMHO, messing around with the rigging is one place where I will pay a
> professional to fix it. Except for an abandon ship from a sinking vessel,
> having a gravity storm with your rigging is probably the 2nd worse thing
> that can happen on a sailboat.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom 83309
> C 36XL/kcb
> New Bern, NC
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Brannon via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Michael Brannon 
> Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2019 3:47 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds
>
> I would recommend you get a rigger to look at it.  If you have the old
> style NAVTEC fittings it will be much easier to remove with the mast out of
> the boat.
>
>
> Mike Brannon
> Virginia Lee 93295
> C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello fellow Listers,
>
> I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud
> had loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as
> though the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't
> know how to remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it
> without or is there a trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?
>
> Thanks
> Adam Hayden.
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Take the entire shroud off at its end points and take it to a rigging shop.
Don’t mess around with shrouds

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:27 PM Adam Hayden via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello fellow Listers,
>
> I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud
> had loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as
> though the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't
> know how to remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it
> without or is there a trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?
>
> Thanks
> Adam Hayden.
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

1+ on having a rigger check it out--even if you can replace it, your rig will 
likely need tuned.
IMHO, messing around with the rigging is one place where I will pay a 
professional to fix it. Except for an abandon ship from a sinking vessel, 
having a gravity storm with your rigging is probably the 2nd worse thing that 
can happen on a sailboat.
FWIW,
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom 83309C 36XL/kcbNew Bern, NC


-Original Message-
From: Michael Brannon via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brannon 
Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2019 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

I would recommend you get a rigger to look at it.  If you have the old style 
NAVTEC fittings it will be much easier to remove with the mast out of the boat.

Mike BrannonVirginia Lee 93295C 36 CBVirginia Beach, VA



On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hello fellow Listers,
I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud had 
loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as though 
the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't know how to 
remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it without or is there a 
trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?
ThanksAdam Hayden.
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

I would recommend you get a rigger to look at it.  If you have the old style 
NAVTEC fittings it will be much easier to remove with the mast out of the boat.


Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA



> On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow Listers,
> 
> I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud had 
> loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as 
> though the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't 
> know how to remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it without 
> or is there a trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?
> 
> Thanks
> Adam Hayden.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 replacement

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I am on A4 number 3.  Take the manifold off starter off alternator off before 
you start. Also analyze mounts.  Mine come off the engine beds or you can lift 
the engine up and over 
Joe. Coquina 

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>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 11:43, Dave. via CnC-List  wrote:
> I did this a couple of years ago and found it much easier than anticipated. 
> I was dealing with an early C 33 so different configuration. I built a 
> plywood platform to cover the cabin sole so as not to scratch it. I used a 
> chain fall attached to the main halyard to lift and a block and tackle to 
> drag it forward from under the companion way. I tied the halyard to the boom 
> so when the engine was high enough I could swing the boom with the engine 
> over the dock and lowered it into a dock cart. Once you have all the stuff 
> off the A4 is pretty light.
> Dave.
> 1975 C 33
> SLY
> 
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>>> On Dec 23, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Ian Matthew via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> After years of abuse and keeping it on life support, my A4 finally decided 
>> enough is enough.  So now I need to remove it and put a replacement back in. 
>>  My budget didn't allow for going to a diesel but I have a rebuilt A4 coming 
>> from a person who rebuilds these as a hobby.  He has a very good reputation 
>> for the quality of work.
>> 
>> I have been persuaded by two sailing buddies (both of who race Cal 40's) 
>> that this isn't too difficult a job and they will help me do the 
>> replacement.  I am looking for any tips and gotcha's that this venerable 
>> group can provide me before I get started.
>> 
>> One major issue I can see is how to lift the engine off the mounts when the 
>> engine is under the cockpit.  My engine builder who has done this a few 
>> times (but can't any more due to his age) suggested I slide a 6x4 under the 
>> engine then use a 2x4 as a pivot and raise the engine by having someone 
>> stand on the 6X4.  Then once free of the mounts, gently slide it back into 
>> the saloon and lift it out through the companionway.  Has anyone tried this?
>> 
>> I have lots of able-bodied helpers to help me so manpower won't be a 
>> problem.  
>> 
>> I am going to do all this at the dock, so no crane to help with the lift.  
>> And while the engine is out, I'll remove the fuel tank and clean it out.  
>> I'm sure there's crud at the bottom.
>> 
>> I'll document the experience for the benefit of others and share it once 
>> it's done.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ian Matthew
>> "Siento el Viento"  C 29-1
>> San Francisco Bay
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 replacement

[Dave. via CnC-List]

I did this a couple of years ago and found it much easier than anticipated. I 
was dealing with an early C 33 so different configuration. I built a plywood 
platform to cover the cabin sole so as not to scratch it. I used a chain fall 
attached to the main halyard to lift and a block and tackle to drag it forward 
from under the companion way. I tied the halyard to the boom so when the engine 
was high enough I could swing the boom with the engine over the dock and 
lowered it into a dock cart. Once you have all the stuff off the A4 is pretty 
light.
Dave.
1975 C 33
SLY

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> On Dec 23, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Ian Matthew via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> After years of abuse and keeping it on life support, my A4 finally decided 
> enough is enough.  So now I need to remove it and put a replacement back in.  
> My budget didn't allow for going to a diesel but I have a rebuilt A4 coming 
> from a person who rebuilds these as a hobby.  He has a very good reputation 
> for the quality of work.
> 
> I have been persuaded by two sailing buddies (both of who race Cal 40's) that 
> this isn't too difficult a job and they will help me do the replacement.  I 
> am looking for any tips and gotcha's that this venerable group can provide me 
> before I get started.
> 
> One major issue I can see is how to lift the engine off the mounts when the 
> engine is under the cockpit.  My engine builder who has done this a few times 
> (but can't any more due to his age) suggested I slide a 6x4 under the engine 
> then use a 2x4 as a pivot and raise the engine by having someone stand on the 
> 6X4.  Then once free of the mounts, gently slide it back into the saloon and 
> lift it out through the companionway.  Has anyone tried this?
> 
> I have lots of able-bodied helpers to help me so manpower won't be a problem. 
>  
> 
> I am going to do all this at the dock, so no crane to help with the lift.  
> And while the engine is out, I'll remove the fuel tank and clean it out.  I'm 
> sure there's crud at the bottom.
> 
> I'll document the experience for the benefit of others and share it once it's 
> done.
> 
> -- 
> Ian Matthew
> "Siento el Viento"  C 29-1
> San Francisco Bay
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 replacement

[rick bushie via CnC-List]

Ian,

Last winter I pulled Anchovy’s A4 out.  I built a cradle out of scrap 2X lumber 
to slide the engine onto as it left the engine bay.

If you unbolt the A4 style mounts from the rails, instead of unbolting the 
mounts from the engine, the engine will simply slide right out.

Remember to remove as much as possible prior to beginning…starter, 
manifold/carb, alternator, etc.

As a fat guy in my 57th year, I had little trouble moving the stripped motor 
around by hand.

Good luck,

Rick Bushie
Anchovy, 1971 30-1
Tolchester, MD
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 replacement

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Consider a fresh water cooling kit.  What is the guy replacing on the rebuilt 
engine?  Coil, rebuilding carb, fuel pump?  When I was looking for any A4 
replacement for my Viking there were a few people offering "rebuilt" engines 
but,  all they were doing was wire brushing and spray painting them.I ended up 
going with a Moyer exchange.  That was a true rebuilt with every option Moyer 
sells installed!  EFI and all!Thanks, Danny
 Original message From: Ian Matthew via CnC-List 
 Date: 12/23/19  10:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list 
 Cc: Ian Matthew  Subject: 
Stus-List Atomic 4 replacement Hi,After years of abuse and keeping it on life 
support, my A4 finally decided enough is enough.  So now I need to remove it 
and put a replacement back in.  My budget didn't allow for going to a diesel 
but I have a rebuilt A4 coming from a person who rebuilds these as a hobby.  He 
has a very good reputation for the quality of work.I have been persuaded by two 
sailing buddies (both of who race Cal 40's) that this isn't too difficult a job 
and they will help me do the replacement.  I am looking for any tips and 
gotcha's that this venerable group can provide me before I get started.One 
major issue I can see is how to lift the engine off the mounts when the engine 
is under the cockpit.  My engine builder who has done this a few times (but 
can't any more due to his age) suggested I slide a 6x4 under the engine then 
use a 2x4 as a pivot and raise the engine by having someone stand on the 6X4.  
Then once free of the mounts, gently slide it back into the saloon and lift it 
out through the companionway.  Has anyone tried this?I have lots of able-bodied 
helpers to help me so manpower won't be a problem.  I am going to do all this 
at the dock, so no crane to help with the lift.  And while the engine is out, 
I'll remove the fuel tank and clean it out.  I'm sure there's crud at the 
bottom.I'll document the experience for the benefit of others and share it once 
it's done.-- Ian Matthew"Siento el Viento"  C 29-1San Francisco Bay


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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 replacement

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

What do the mounts look like?  Most engine mounts bolt down to a rail and
have a single stud pointing up that the engine slides down on.  You may
find it easier to unbolt from the rail and slide the engine forward rather
than unbolt the vertical stud and try to lift it off.  Be sure to mark
everything to make re-installation and alignment easier.

I pulled the AT4 out of Touche' years ago.  Took about 45 minutes.  Used
the main halyard to lift it.  We tied a snatch block to the boom with
several wraps of line to ensure it lifted straight up rather than forward.
Then we used the boom to swing it out to the pier.  Having a bunch of 2x4's
to help move it around is a good idea.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 9:07 PM Ian Matthew via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> After years of abuse and keeping it on life support, my A4 finally decided
> enough is enough.  So now I need to remove it and put a replacement back
> in.  My budget didn't allow for going to a diesel but I have a rebuilt A4
> coming from a person who rebuilds these as a hobby.  He has a very good
> reputation for the quality of work.
>
> I have been persuaded by two sailing buddies (both of who race Cal 40's)
> that this isn't too difficult a job and they will help me do the
> replacement.  I am looking for any tips and gotcha's that this venerable
> group can provide me before I get started.
>
> One major issue I can see is how to lift the engine off the mounts when
> the engine is under the cockpit.  My engine builder who has done this a few
> times (but can't any more due to his age) suggested I slide a 6x4 under the
> engine then use a 2x4 as a pivot and raise the engine by having someone
> stand on the 6X4.  Then once free of the mounts, gently slide it back into
> the saloon and lift it out through the companionway.  Has anyone tried this?
>
> I have lots of able-bodied helpers to help me so manpower won't be a
> problem.
>
> I am going to do all this at the dock, so no crane to help with the lift.
> And while the engine is out, I'll remove the fuel tank and clean it out.
> I'm sure there's crud at the bottom.
>
> I'll document the experience for the benefit of others and share it once
> it's done.
>
> --
> Ian Matthew
> "Siento el Viento"  C 29-1
> San Francisco Bay
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