Stus-List Re: George Hazen

[David Risch via CnC-List]

And his favorite C & C was...

Drumroll please...

The 40.


From: Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 2:33 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Neil Gallagher ; Robert Mazza 

Subject: Stus-List Re: George Hazen

Thanks for sharing this Neil.

A very sad loss.

The video interview of George was recorded during the C&C Yachts Reunion and 
Conference held at the Royal Hamilton Yacht Club back in 2012 . I had the 
honour of organizing this event on behalf of the Marine Museum of the Great 
Lakes at Kingston. See more interviews at 
(https://boatingindustry.ca/112-archive-stories/4009-c-and-c-yachts-reunion-and-conference-videos-online-now).

This may well be a possible format for any C&C Rendezvous we organize for 
Kingston in the next couple of years, as has been discussed on another thread. 
It would be good to get all the old C&C Design Group, as well as the builders 
and dealers, together again, while we are still able to attend! The Conference 
on the day after the Reunion consisted of panel discussions with the designers, 
builders, and marketing people. Since then we have lost Big George, and now 
George Hazen.

Rob



On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 11:21 AM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
George Hazen was a naval architect who worked at C&C, but was also well
known for his naval architecture software.  In the video at the end he
discusses his C&C experience, quite interesting.

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2021/01/08/eight-bells-george-hazen/

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

I saw “Maritime Museum in Kingston” and was excited. Unfortunately it’s not the 
maritime museum in Kingston NY. I would like to visit the NY version this 
summer though. 
Jon

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> On Jan 9, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Paul Vint via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Which "Kingston" are we talking about?
> 
> I live right near one of the "Kingston"s, but mine is in Ontario. I suspect 
> that';s not what you're talking about.
> 
> Paul Vint
> Resolute 33 Mk I
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 11:56 AM Stu via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> Gladys and I will be vacationing this summer in Kingston and will be staying 
>> at a campground about 10 mins from town.  If anyone else would be coming 
>> with an RV (trailer, tent, motor home) let me know.  I’ll check with the 
>> campground to see if we can get a group discount.
>>  
>> Stu
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Stus-List Re: George Hazen

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

However, if he had started at C&C 5 or 6 years earlier, it would most
certainly have been the C&C 39!

Bill Coleman

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:11 AM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> And his favorite C & C was…
>
>
>
> Drumroll please…
>
>
>
> The 40.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2021 2:33 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Neil Gallagher ; Robert Mazza <
> robertlma...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: George Hazen
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing this Neil.
>
>
>
> A very sad loss.
>
>
>
> The video interview of George was recorded during the C&C Yachts Reunion
> and Conference held at the Royal Hamilton Yacht Club back in 2012 . I had
> the honour of organizing this event on behalf of the Marine Museum of the
> Great Lakes at Kingston. See more interviews at (
> https://boatingindustry.ca/112-archive-stories/4009-c-and-c-yachts-reunion-and-conference-videos-online-now
> 
> ).
>
>
>
> This may well be a possible format for any C&C Rendezvous we organize for
> Kingston in the next couple of years, as has been discussed on another
> thread. It would be good to get all the old C&C Design Group, as well as
> the builders and dealers, together again, while we are still able to
> attend! The Conference on the day after the Reunion consisted of panel
> discussions with the designers, builders, and marketing people. Since then
> we have lost Big George, and now George Hazen.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 11:21 AM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> George Hazen was a naval architect who worked at C&C, but was also well
> known for his naval architecture software.  In the video at the end he
> discusses his C&C experience, quite interesting.
>
> https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2021/01/08/eight-bells-george-hazen/
> 
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
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Stus-List Repair job

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I discovered last Fall that I had an area of the side paneling near the top of 
the companionway steps where the wood panel is completely rotted away.  I had 
not noticed anything until I noticed the hole.  I don’t think water has been 
leaking through there since I have had the boat, but it is a strange place for 
a leak to cause this and I never noticed any wet areas inside the boat.  
However it happened, I don’t have any good ideas as to how to repair it (if I 
repair it at all).  Any suggestions as to what to do?  Thanks- Dave

Link to photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/CzXqxSqMrtpqPF6RA 


S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List Re: Repair job

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

1st, of course, you must find the source of the leak which may take 2 sets of 
eyes--inside and out.
Just a guess but I would check the base of the companionway 'slides' on that 
side as the source of the leak--may take time, lots of water with hatch closed, 
etc. as it is when you leave the boat--or maybe just BOLO from the cabin when 
its seriously raining.
Also check the sliding hatch cover to be sure that it has the teak rails on top 
that direct rainwater water forward under the 'hood' to escape. Also, your boat 
may sit in the water with a slight list to port and aft--this would get water 
sitting/draining where it looks like it has been.

I had a mysterious leak for years in my aft cabin rear bulkhead that I never 
did find. After I had an astute boat mechanic and his assistant look for it, it 
turned out the the seal on the cockpit scupper on the port side on the cockpit 
was bad and it allowed water to drain around it and onto the bulkhead and down 
into the aft cabin cushions. 
Good luck.
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb,





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From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2021 11:43 am
Subject: Stus-List Repair job

I discovered last Fall that I had an area of the side paneling near the top of 
the companionway steps where the wood panel is completely rotted away.  I had 
not noticed anything until I noticed the hole.  I don’t think water has been 
leaking through there since I have had the boat, but it is a strange place for 
a leak to cause this and I never noticed any wet areas inside the boat.  
However it happened, I don’t have any good ideas as to how to repair it (if I 
repair it at all).  Any suggestions as to what to do?  Thanks- Dave
Link to photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/CzXqxSqMrtpqPF6RA
S/V Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: Repair job

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hi David,

Never saw that before but suspect water leaked through the gap between your 
slider and drop boards.  Some kind of bug may be eating the teak.  Have you 
observed any strange mites or spiders in that area?   

I'd spray with a good bug spray for insects, cut away any loose stuff, treat w 
Git Rot and cover with a very thin piece of teak trim.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3dKSkPwP2M


Chuck


> On 01/10/2021 11:43 AM David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> I discovered last Fall that I had an area of the side paneling near the 
> top of the companionway steps where the wood panel is completely rotted away. 
>  I had not noticed anything until I noticed the hole.  I don’t think water 
> has been leaking through there since I have had the boat, but it is a strange 
> place for a leak to cause this and I never noticed any wet areas inside the 
> boat.  However it happened, I don’t have any good ideas as to how to repair 
> it (if I repair it at all).  Any suggestions as to what to do?  Thanks- Dave
>  
> Link to photos:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/CzXqxSqMrtpqPF6RA 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/CzXqxSqMrtpqPF6RA
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
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Stus-List Re: Repair job

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

On my 35-2, heavy rain blowing against the hatchboards has caused a bit of
water to leak at the corner joints at the bottom edge, where the U channel
pieces are joined. I have left a sheet of plastic covering the hatch for
the winter storm season until I can re-seal things to prevent any damage.

As for repairing the damage, possibly you could cut a section out using an
oscillating tool and replace it with a new piece of teak plywood? I got one
of these tools for this type of job, but haven't tried it yet.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:15 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Never saw that before but suspect water leaked through the gap between
> your slider and drop boards.  Some kind of bug may be eating the teak.
> Have you observed any strange mites or spiders in that area?
>
> I'd spray with a good bug spray for insects, cut away any loose stuff,
> treat w Git Rot and cover with a very thin piece of teak trim.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3dKSkPwP2M
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On 01/10/2021 11:43 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> I discovered last Fall that I had an area of the side paneling near the
> top of the companionway steps where the wood panel is completely rotted
> away.  I had not noticed anything until I noticed the hole.  I don’t think
> water has been leaking through there since I have had the boat, but it is a
> strange place for a leak to cause this and I never noticed any wet areas
> inside the boat.  However it happened, I don’t have any good ideas as to
> how to repair it (if I repair it at all).  Any suggestions as to what to
> do?  Thanks- Dave
>
> Link to photos:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/CzXqxSqMrtpqPF6RA
> 
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
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> Stu
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Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

John, could you elaborate on these screen sanders of which you speak? I would 
like to see what you are referring to.

 

Thanks

Bill Coleman

 

From: John McCrea via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 11:54 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Hoyt, Mike; John McCrea
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question

 

Yes, but has to be dustless. They have some real high end screen sanders that 
we can rent. 

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On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:40 PM, cenelson via CnC-List  
wrote:

 Yes—at least some do. OTOH I did that once, took about 4+ 8 hr days with a 
sander above my head and all the protective breathing gear on.

 

Swore then that I would “...nevahh...”

Attempt that again. Same feeling after my first and last water skiing 
success—once was enough!!


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On Friday, January 8, 2021, 8:48 PM, Hoyt, Mike  wrote:

does your yard allow owners to sand their own bottoms?

 


  _  


From: cenelson via CnC-List 
Sent: January 8, 2021 9:26 PM
To: C&C List
Cc: cenelson
Subject: Stus-List Bottom painting question 

 

My 1995 C&C 36XL/Kcb is used mainly for local club racing with occasional 
forays to CRW. I think her PHRF of 120 is reasonable and at CRW she finished in 
the middle of her PHRF class in spinnaker racing boat for boat with a similarly 
rated J-30 whose rating was the same because of a penalty for an oversized 
pole. 

 

About 2 years ago, I had to strip the bottom to the gel coat since the bottom 
paint build-up was excessive. Two coats of barrier coat were applied and then 
Petite Black Widow was improperly sprayed on by my yard—they admitted they were 
unfamiliar with how much it needed diluted to be applied (afterward), when the 
barnacles showed up much sooner than expected, likely a result of too thin a 
layer of this paint.

 

I had them repaint the bottom with Petite Vivid, with which they were familiar, 
and they rolled it on with a short nap roller to avoid the extra expense of 
tenting, etc. for a spray paint application of the same paint—which they had 
done in the past.

 

I am contemplating going back to a smoother bottom and several local yards have 
agreed that the solution is to rough up the current hard ablative Petite Vivid, 
apply/roll 2 more coats of the same and then manually sand/burnish the bottom 
by sanding these coats smooth, basically sacrificing some of the just applied 
paint to ensure a smoother bottom.

 

I get it, especially since 2 independent yards proposed this, as more 
practical/less expensive than my initial thoughts of sanding the current paint 
down and then spraying several coats of Vivid.

 

This work by the yard will cost ~$4-5000.

 

My question for the list, especially the racers, is how do I maintain this 
sanded bottom when I must reapply another coat or 2 of bottom paint next year? 
Must I repeat the process (roll on 2 coats and sand smooth) for another $5000? 
If so, I am not sure if I should proceed. A ~$2000 per year bottom refresh is 
tolerable—a $5000 per year is NOT.

 

So how do the racing listers keep your boat bottom in ‘racing’ condition year 
to year?

 

Must I ‘bite the bullet’ at $5000 each year or is there an alternative that is 
less expensive and thus more reasonable? I will not do it myself—to much work 
not to mention the hazard of the paint dust/vapors/etc.

 

Charlie Nelson

1995 C&C 36XL/kcb

Water Phantom ex



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Stus-List Re: Repair job

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hi David,
Your problem looks cosmetic but you may have rot caused by fungus.  Checkout 
this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P9Br1DoL_A

The first thing is to stop water, then spray with Concrobium fungicide spray 
from Home Depot, then repair.

Chuck


> On 01/10/2021 12:14 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> Hi David,
>  
> Never saw that before but suspect water leaked through the gap between 
> your slider and drop boards.  Some kind of bug may be eating the teak.  Have 
> you observed any strange mites or spiders in that area?   
>  
> I'd spray with a good bug spray for insects, cut away any loose stuff, 
> treat w Git Rot and cover with a very thin piece of teak trim.  
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3dKSkPwP2M
>  
>  
> Chuck
>  
> 
> > > On 01/10/2021 11:43 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> >  
> >  
> > I discovered last Fall that I had an area of the side paneling near 
> > the top of the companionway steps where the wood panel is completely rotted 
> > away.  I had not noticed anything until I noticed the hole.  I don’t think 
> > water has been leaking through there since I have had the boat, but it is a 
> > strange place for a leak to cause this and I never noticed any wet areas 
> > inside the boat.  However it happened, I don’t have any good ideas as to 
> > how to repair it (if I repair it at all).  Any suggestions as to what to 
> > do?  Thanks- Dave
> >  
> > Link to photos:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/CzXqxSqMrtpqPF6RA 
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/CzXqxSqMrtpqPF6RA
> > 
> > S/V Aries
> > 1990 C&C 34+
> > New London, CT
> > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to 
> > help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list 
> > - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks 
> > - Stu
> > 
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> 
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Stus-List Re: Repair job

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the ideas. I am not so concerned about the leak (if there still 
is one).  I should be able to see if water is coming in there using a hose in 
the spring.  My concern is more how and whether to fix the damage.  It is 
certainly cosmetic, not structural, so not a big worry, and it took me quite a 
while to even notice it.  I don’t see any obvious was of getting to the back of 
that panel and I don’t know how to repair it from the front.  I do have an 
oscillating tool that I could use to cut out the damaged area.  Then what?  My 
woodworking skills are not great.  Better to cover it with a piece of wood (is 
that plywood or teak?) or try to fill the hole in some way even though I can’t 
get to the back?  What would make you not cringe if you saw that on someone’s 
boat?  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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[Dave via CnC-List]

Many thanks, Dave 
Windstar 33-2

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Stus-List Re: Repair job

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

David, I had similar problem. As it was not structural I cut out the bad wood 
and glued in a piece of ordinary plywood. I then re-veneered with teak. You can 
buy very thin paper backed teak veneer at specialty hardwood suppliers. 

Fred Hazzard 
C&C 44
S/V Fury
Portland Or 

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> On Jan 10, 2021, at 11:53 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the ideas. I am not so concerned about the leak (if there 
> still is one).  I should be able to see if water is coming in there using a 
> hose in the spring.  My concern is more how and whether to fix the damage.  
> It is certainly cosmetic, not structural, so not a big worry, and it took me 
> quite a while to even notice it.  I don’t see any obvious was of getting to 
> the back of that panel and I don’t know how to repair it from the front.  I 
> do have an oscillating tool that I could use to cut out the damaged area.  
> Then what?  My woodworking skills are not great.  Better to cover it with a 
> piece of wood (is that plywood or teak?) or try to fill the hole in some way 
> even though I can’t get to the back?  What would make you not cringe if you 
> saw that on someone’s boat?  Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
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