Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I've told this story before, Joe, but here goes.

 

I had a toggle on one of the D2 shrouds on my 38 break. My rigger said that
Navtech had a recall in the early 2000s on the toggles, and mine was
probably not replaced at that time.

 

Since I had a bit of a trust issue on rod rigging that was already 33 or 34
years old, I wanted to have it inspected. Maybe reheaded. Navtech indicated
that visual and dye inspections arerelatively worthless, and the proper way
to do it was to have the mast down, rigging coiled up and shipped to them,
and they would xray the heads and rehead or replace as required.

 

Cost for R the shrouds, shipping, and testing was about $3500 as far as I
can recall. Other work extra.

 

My rigger turned me on the Dyform wire. The wire is slightly bigger diameter
(a few thousandths), slightly heavier (under a hundred pounds but I can't
recall now - see my former posts), and actually stronger than #10 rod. Swage
on fittings are available to match the existing fittings on the mast and at
the ends of the spreaders. Rigger put Norseman fittings at the chainplate
end of the shrouds to simplify installation (make the wires a little long
and then cut to fit the turnbuckles at the chainplates. All told, the cost
for the complete rerig was 3 or 4 hundred dollars more than the cost for the
inspection alone.

 

Minuses: the shrouds are a bit larger so more wind resistance, and there is
a bit more weight aloft. Plusses, I have a high degree of confidence in a
rig that is now only 8 years old, and I am essentially a cruiser who does
occasional fun/charity races and probably am capable of screwing up a tack
and losing more time than I would ever gain with a rod rigging. I'm a happy
camper.

 

YMMV, and of course everything will cost twice as much if you do it in the
Annapolis area as opposed to eastern North Carolina.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 2:59 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List C 40 rigging

 

Ran into a snag:

The rigging shop I called told me rod rigging from 1981 was NOT going to
pass their survey just from age and some the fittings used back then could
not be inspected, taking them apart is a one-way trip. Does anyone have an
idea on the longevity of rod and the cost to replace it all?

It doesn't have to be rod again, does it? Dynaform wire or Dyneema maybe?

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: C 40 CaptainQ refit

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 
 Adam, I'm impressed! What did you have to do to get the boat back to usable 
condition?
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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Cc: Adam Hayden 
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2021 9:33 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 CaptainQ refit 

Joel
Here is how I bought our boat. We'll technically it was 5 days later once it 
was on the hard. 
It was certainly a big project/refit.  :)  that was 7 years ago.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qEj4FzR75oZwU78J7

Adam
C 36


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Subject: Stus-List Re: C 

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Stus-List Re: C 40 CaptainQ refit

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Joel
Here is how I bought our boat. We'll technically it was 5 days later once it 
was on the hard.
It was certainly a big project/refit.  :)  that was 7 years ago.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qEj4FzR75oZwU78J7

Adam
C 36


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Stus-List Re: C 40 CaptainQ

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Cool channel I wish I could refit this one
It will be lots of money to have someone redo the top deck

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 8:40 PM Rob Hamlin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Over the off season I found this channel on YouTube, very well done
> exploring boats.
>
> Recently did a profile on a C 40
>
> https://youtu.be/PN7_uXD7mHs
>
> Apologies if this has already been shared.
>
> -Rob
> C 37+
> Sapphire
>
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Stus-List C 40 CaptainQ

[Rob Hamlin via CnC-List]

Over the off season I found this channel on YouTube, very well done exploring 
boats.  

Recently did a profile on a C 40 

https://youtu.be/PN7_uXD7mHs

Apologies if this has already been shared.

-Rob
C 37+
Sapphire 

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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I had a rigging surveyor for my rider.  Seperate surveyor by a bona fide rigger.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 4:10:36 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging


Not sure what you mean by sign off, Joe –

On my last survey, this is about all he said about the standing rigging –



The standing rigging is stainless steel rod and appears in good condition where 
observation is possible.

The turnbuckles as well as the chainplates that are integral to the deck all 
appear in good condition with

no signs of cracking or stress. The backstay is split and is constructed with 
Dyneema and is

reportedly being replaced, as it is original to the vessel, which is the 
recommended course of action.



The survey was included with the Insurance application, and they didn’t mention 
anything about it.

I would think that is the only higher authority you would need to please.





Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA





From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 11:59 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging



I am finding out absolutely no one is going to sign off 40 year old rod as 
passing inspection ☹ They also said some of the fittings used in that era are 
not even possible to inspect and use them again anyway.



Joe

Coquina
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Stus-List Test for Stu #2

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Stu,

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This is sent through Outlook 2013

 

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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Not sure what you mean by sign off, Joe – 

On my last survey, this is about all he said about the standing rigging – 

 

The standing rigging is stainless steel rod and appears in good condition where 
observation is possible.

The turnbuckles as well as the chainplates that are integral to the deck all 
appear in good condition with

no signs of cracking or stress. The backstay is split and is constructed with 
Dyneema and is

reportedly being replaced, as it is original to the vessel, which is the 
recommended course of action.

 

The survey was included with the Insurance application, and they didn’t mention 
anything about it.

I would think that is the only higher authority you would need to please.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 11:59 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

 

I am finding out absolutely no one is going to sign off 40 year old rod as 
passing inspection ☹ They also said some of the fittings used in that era are 
not even possible to inspect and use them again anyway.

 

Joe

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: Why are my emails to the list only occasionally showing up?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Ok, that one showed up.  Let's see if this response does...
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Stus-List Why are my emails to the list only occasionally showing up?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Has anyone else had this issue?  Whether it is a new subject or a response,
I only see my post show up about 30% of the time.
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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I am finding out absolutely no one is going to sign off 40 year old rod as 
passing inspection ☹ They also said some of the fittings used in that era are 
not even possible to inspect and use them again anyway.

 

Joe

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: Suez transit very interesting

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Great video – don’t you know these videos are like crack?!?!

I’m supposed to be working!

I wonder if you can book a cabin on those ships, like you used to be able to on 
banana boats?

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 9:15 AM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Stus-List Suez transit very interesting

 

Suez Canal: 

For those interested in a transit of the Suez Canal aboard a container ship  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6st0k7KJmk 

  

Chuck 

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Stus-List Re: Refrigerator Door Seal

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

 

This might be it,

https://www.lowes.com/pd/M-D-20-ft-Black-Door-Seal-Silicone-Door-Weatherstrip/1099657

 

I had good luck with a silicone seal that I found I think it was at Lowe's. It 
was kind of oval shaped I think in Brown. It has a peel off strip that exposes 
an adhesive. The nice thing about it is that it never takes a set. It is always 
flexible & tight

Bill Coleman

 

 

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Stus-List Suez transit very interesting

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Suez Canal:
For those interested in a transit of the Suez Canal aboard a container ship 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6st0k7KJmk

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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

No way it was antimony.  That is an alloying metal. They use it in keels to
give it a little more strength than pure Lead. Most likely it was
stainless, and could have chewed up the threads in the turnbuckle barrel.
Stainless on stainless should be lubed with Tefgel, stainless with bronze
Tefgel is fine, (thaty what I use) but probably any water resistant Grease
works.


Bill Coleman

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 6:58 PM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I would be interested to know if salt vs fresh water changes the life span
> of stainless rigging and I suspect it does. My rig looks and functions like
> new but it has always been in fresh water. Additionally, boats are out of
> the water 6 months a year in the north.
>
> I had a 1981 C 36KCB that was dismasted due to the threads on the
> backstay bolt failing. It’s the double ended bolt. Someone told me it was
> made of antimony but I have no way of confirming that. I should write
> something about the dismasting because it didn’t play out as expected or
> as described by others.
>
> As long as the fittings aren’t seized and the hardware looks good inspect
> it, do a dye test on the fittings and worry about something else.
>
> Having had an issue with the backstay bolt replace it if there is any
> question! Mine was worn more than I knew.
>
>
> Len Mitchell
>
> S/V Crazy Legs
>
> 1989 C 37+
>
> Midland On.
>
>
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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Len- I would like to hear that story.  I did not think a backstay failure 
would lead to dismasting.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Mar 25, 2021, at 6:57 PM, Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would be interested to know if salt vs fresh water changes the life span of 
> stainless rigging and I suspect it does. My rig looks and functions like new 
> but it has always been in fresh water. Additionally, boats are out of the 
> water 6 months a year in the north.
> 
> I had a 1981 C 36KCB that was dismasted due to the threads on the backstay 
> bolt failing. It’s the double ended bolt. Someone told me it was made of 
> antimony but I have no way of confirming that. I should write something about 
> the dismasting because it didn’t play out as expected or as described by 
> others. 
> 
> As long as the fittings aren’t seized and the hardware looks good inspect it, 
> do a dye test on the fittings and worry about something else. 
> 
> Having had an issue with the backstay bolt replace it if there is any 
> question! Mine was worn more than I knew. 
> 
> Len Mitchell
> S/V Crazy Legs
> 1989 C 37+
> Midland On. 
> 
> <0bc0447c-d4bb-4fde-b0fb-4466dce61e83.tiff>
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Stus-List Re: Refrigerator Door Seal

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

We put some stick-on weatherstripping that essentially looks like two rows
of hollow rubber half-round material in white.  That helped, but we were
still getting frost buildup on the plate.  Finally, I used 1 and a half
tubes of mildew resistant latex caulk to seal the underside of where the
countertop and lid attach to the inner fridge box.  Immediately,  the
frosting went away, and now I keepthe temperaturein the fridgeat about35
degrees.  I've also had a very small laptop computer muffin fan running
that helps stabilize the temperature, but it did nothing to stop freezing
on the plate.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092
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Stus-List Re: turnbuckle lube

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Rigging is OEM.  Have owned boat 22 years.  Have used waterproof grease on 
turnbuckle threads every year.  Wipe off excess after rig is tuned.  Has worked 
well.  We remove mast every winter so can inspect everything.  Last fall noted 
3 turnbuckles had seized the rod end.  PB blaster easily fixed 2.  3rd required 
some more time and gentle heat.  Held rod with vice grips and worked turnbuckle 
loose.  No marks on rod.  All is well

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 11:52 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Stus-List turnbuckle lube

 

Hey Joel asked a good question. 

  

What's the best lubricant for turnbuckles? 

  

  

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Stus-List Re: turnbuckle lube

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I don't know if it is the best but I use Boeshield T-9 as lubricant for our
turnbuckles.

https://boeshield.com/marine/

Ken H.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 00:52, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey Joel asked a good question.
>
> What's the best lubricant for turnbuckles?
>
>
>
> On 03/25/2021 6:42 PM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> Should the turnbuckle be greased or oiled
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 5:03 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> It may take some searching to find someone who will work on older rod
> rigging but they do exist. Here in the Boston area, North East Rigging out
> of Concord MA has this expertise. Call around and hopefully you can find
> someone in your area who can do the work. Does it save money in the end vs
> going with a newer dyneema solution - I am not sure and it will depend on
> what problems the rigger runs into as they go along?  Inspection is a
> challenge if the rig hasn't been taken apart in a while - last year on my
> 1981 C a lot of my fittings were seized and could not be inspected so
> that did require complete disassembly and reheading all of the rods.  One
> rod had to be replaced as did the turnbuckles and the fittings on the end
> of the spreader.  The spreaders ended up being a lot of work and parts
> because the threads stripped on a part and no replacement was available.
> Replacement parts then required machining the ends of the spreaders.  Also
> the aluminum through bolts in the mast all had to be replaced which
> required custom machining of the ends to accommodate replacement stainless
> steel threaded. Including a new wire forestay and harken furler it came to
> ~$12k for all the parts and labor including setting up and tuning the rig.
> The rod rigging does seem to last a long time so I am hopeful that this
> will be good to go for many years to come.
>
> Nathan
>
> ~~~
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C 34 CB
> Lynn MA
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> --
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> *www.jdroofing.ca *
>
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Stus-List Re: turnbuckle lube

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Lanocoat or Tef-Gel

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Mar 25, 2021, at 23:52, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Joel asked a good question.
>  
> What's the best lubricant for turnbuckles?
>  
>  
>> On 03/25/2021 6:42 PM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Should the turnbuckle be greased or oiled
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 5:03 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List < 
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> Joe,
>>  
>> It may take some searching to find someone who will work on older rod 
>> rigging but they do exist. Here in the Boston area, North East Rigging out 
>> of Concord MA has this expertise. Call around and hopefully you can find 
>> someone in your area who can do the work. Does it save money in the end vs 
>> going with a newer dyneema solution - I am not sure and it will depend on 
>> what problems the rigger runs into as they go along?  Inspection is a 
>> challenge if the rig hasn't been taken apart in a while - last year on my 
>> 1981 C a lot of my fittings were seized and could not be inspected so 
>> that did require complete disassembly and reheading all of the rods.  One 
>> rod had to be replaced as did the turnbuckles and the fittings on the end of 
>> the spreader.  The spreaders ended up being a lot of work and parts because 
>> the threads stripped on a part and no replacement was available.  
>> Replacement parts then required machining the ends of the spreaders.  Also 
>> the aluminum through bolts in the mast all had to be replaced which required 
>> custom machining of the ends to accommodate replacement stainless steel 
>> threaded. Including a new wire forestay and harken furler it came to ~$12k 
>> for all the parts and labor including setting up and tuning the rig. The rod 
>> rigging does seem to last a long time so I am hopeful that this will be good 
>> to go for many years to come.
>>  
>> Nathan
>>  
>> ~~~
>> S/V Wisper
>> 1981 C 34 CB
>> Lynn MA
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>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
>> -- 
>> Joel Delamirande
>> 
>> www.jdroofing.ca
>>  
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>> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
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