Stus-List Re: Envy
Mike is hard core! Must have been working on his boat last weekend in the sleet! Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2021-04-07 8:17 p.m., Robert Abbott via CnC-List wrote: Mike, My envy is duly noted...you motivated me to uncover the boat todayI could be ready next week to launch.note, could be ready, depending on motivation and ambition and of course, weather. Bob On 2021-04-07 9:43 a.m., Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: 2 days til launch! (eat that Bob!) Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS www.hoytsailing.com Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List ‘Skid’ refresh
Most of my 1995 C&C deck was covered with Kiwi Grip about 5 years ago which has held up well and is easily refreshed/redone with additional coats when/where it wears away. There are a few ‘trim’ areas in the cockpit sole and the mostly vertical seats, the aft facing bulkheads on either side of the companionway and ‘hood’ that surrounds the sliding hatch and port light where the original gel coat/paint is pretty ‘tired’—the ‘skid’ portion of the deck (sorry I have problems with double negatives as in ‘non non-skid!) What I am looking for is simple solution to semi-permanently bring most of the new look back. My yard wants to tape the non-skid off (not easy with the Kiwi stuff) and re-paint the skid—which would be more money than I want to spend. I am thinking of some topside paint I could mostly brush on (most areas are pretty narrow to roll on) and improve its looks per the 10 ft test. I might be able to avoid/minimise the taping since minor excursions into the Kiwi Grip would be hard to see. Maybe I should just try a good cleaning followed by compounding/wax/polish. But if this is unlikely to really freshen it up, I don’t want to go down this energy intensive path only to end up painting it anyway.(I could do a small section for a test I suppose.) I am looking for a good solution that I can accomplish in a day or two. I don’t expect it to look like a new paint job—just a reasonable improvement that will not be covered with brush marks or other DIY mistakes that can be seen too easily! Lister suggestions are needed! Thanks, Charlie NelsonWater PhantomC&C 36 XL/kcb Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Envy
Mike, My envy is duly noted...you motivated me to uncover the boat todayI could be ready next week to launch.note, could be ready, depending on motivation and ambition and of course, weather. Bob On 2021-04-07 9:43 a.m., Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: 2 days til launch! (eat that Bob!) Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS www.hoytsailing.com Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Red Jacket video tonight with Rob Mazza
Not sure if this was mentioned here, but I saw it on the FB group, and just registered. They will have a recording link if you're unable to view it live. (7pm EDT) https://www.canadahelps.org/en/charities/marine-museum-of-the-great-lakes-at-kingston/events/rob-mazza/ -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Heavy spinnaker sizing vs medium/light for 33-2
Mike, Good advice and that was also my first question. But the seller told me the sail came with his boat and is too big for his C&C 27-3. So not very helpful and curiously it is not the first time i hear that kind of answer from someone selling a used spin. It's like they never used the sail, don't really know anything about it's history and some even have trouble confirming if it's a symetrical or an asym. So it's a risky buy if you don't live close and can't have a look at the sail. After many failed tries to find a good used kite i decided to pull the trigger on a new 3000$ North Sail AirX600 S2 and a flashy Forte carbon pole (my boat was not equiped for symetrical before). I already have an asym on a sprit and was interested in an older smaller chute to beat the hell out of it and learn more. But that will be for later, or not. I also need to put some loonies on the side to replace my 110% in the near future. I am very jealous of your free used spinnaker, good for you! Bruno Lachance Bécassine - 33-2 New-Richmond,Qc De : Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Envoyé : 7 avril 2021 08:43 À : 'Stus-List' Cc : Hoyt, Mike Objet : Stus-List Re: Heavy spinnaker sizing vs medium/light for 33-2 Bruno Ask him what type of boat the sail was made for. That should give you a better idea of the dimensions We were gifted a Mumm 36 spinnaker this past winter. The Frers 33 and C&C 33-2 have almost identical foretriangle so this is a similar situation to the one you are looking at. Frers is I=45, J=13.33 where the Mumm is fractional spin at I=43.7 J=12.6 This spin will be a bit short on the hoist but not 3 feet. Also a bit narrow. Should work a s a decent backup spinnaker for Persistence and may be useful on windier days. 2 days til launch! (eat that Bob!) Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS www.hoytsailing.com On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:22 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Bruno, Sounds about right. Just don't hoist the chute to the masthead. Joel On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:42 AM Bruno Lachance via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Question for the spinnaker gurus of the group: The light/medium sym spinfor my 33-2 has a luff/leech lenght of 44 ft and a foot of 23.3 ft. This is a sail designed for this boat I'm looking at a used spin that seems to be a heavier cloth, that would be used as a S-3. The dimensions are Luff: 40.8 / foot: 21.5 Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Heavy spinnaker sizing vs medium/light for 33-2
Bruno Ask him what type of boat the sail was made for. That should give you a better idea of the dimensions We were gifted a Mumm 36 spinnaker this past winter. The Frers 33 and C&C 33-2 have almost identical foretriangle so this is a similar situation to the one you are looking at. Frers is I=45, J=13.33 where the Mumm is fractional spin at I=43.7 J=12.6 This spin will be a bit short on the hoist but not 3 feet. Also a bit narrow. Should work a s a decent backup spinnaker for Persistence and may be useful on windier days. 2 days til launch! (eat that Bob!) Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS www.hoytsailing.com From: Bruno Lachance via CnC-List Sent: April 6, 2021 8:07 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Bruno Lachance Subject: Stus-List Re: Heavy spinnaker sizing vs medium/light for 33-2 Thank you all for the group wisdom. To be clear my plan was never to compensate the shorter length of the luff by not hoisting the chute to the masthead. I am fully aware of the consequences in higher winds. I have seen people do that before when the chute is on the smaller side in the attempts to have a fuller shape in light conditions. No big deal when it's light, but even then I really doubt it makes the boat faster. It sure looks bad! So back on deck. As a reference, I usually set my pole at about 18-20 inches higher that the boom, with a chute 3 ft shorter, i'm worried I would need to set the pole too high, but I thought maybe I could flat the sail a little and keep the pole lower than usual. Gybing with the pole too high does not look appealing neither. The seller is pretty far so impossible to have a look or confirm measures. He says the sail is 40.8 but he measures 44 " by hand" whatever that means. With a foot of 21.5, 40.8 makes more sense, so a tad short. Still tempted by the price...and It is appealing to keep my nice North AirX 600 crisp for racing. Bruno Lachance Bécassine , 33-2 New-Richmond, Qc. Envoyé de mon iPad Le 6 avr. 2021 à 17:07, Gary Nylander via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit : Bruno, I tried what you are thinking about. It didn’t work. Dennis is right, you do not want three feet of halyard swinging your chute around – it does not get pretty. And, if you have the pole hoisted up in the air to get the chute hoisted all the way, you have a higher center of effort for that chute and it will move around, which is what you don’t want in heavy weather. The ultimate trick would be to have a separate halyard attached three feet down the mast just for that chute, but on our masthead boats, you will get all tangled up with the forestay. Sorry. Gary – 30-1 From: Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:56 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Heavy spinnaker sizing vs medium/light for 33-2 A heavy weather chute should have narrow shoulders. It should be fully hoisted. Failure to fully hoist in heavy weather will increase the potential for oscillation and loss of control. While we're on heavy weather spin flying, on Touche', we never ever let the center seam cross to the weather side of the forestay. That is, we prefer a slightly reaching trim as opposed to a dead downwind trim. Trimming the chute's center seam to weather of the forestay increases the chances of oscillation and ultimately a death roll. I'd rather broach than do a death roll! To answer the question, talk to your sailmaker. This chute sounds a wee bit short to me. -- Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:22 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Bruno, Sounds about right. Just don't hoist the chute to the masthead. Joel On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:42 AM Bruno Lachance via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Question for the spinnaker gurus of the group: The light/medium sym spinfor my 33-2 has a luff/leech lenght of 44 ft and a foot of 23.3 ft. This is a sail designed for this boat I'm looking at a used spin that seems to be a heavier cloth, that would be used as a S-3. The dimensions are Luff: 40.8 / foot: 21.5 Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
