Stus-List Re: C&C33-2 Forward "Bulkhead"

[andrew--- via CnC-List]

Hi Everyone thanks very much for your suggestions.

Tryfan is a 1985 C&C33-2 and I’m reasonably sure the source of the water 
ingress was the toe rail.

The wooden bulkhead is for sure rotten on the RHS, but only about 1/4 of the 
entire bulkhead is compromised.

The anchor locker is completely glassed in (heavy duty, solid) and no way to 
get to the wooden bulkhead from there. This makes me think that the wooden 
bulkhead is nothing more than decorative.

I like the idea of utilizing an oscillating tool (or other?) to cut out the 
damaged portion and replace just what was removed, as per Martin and Bruno’s 
suggestion.

Then cover with some sort of veneer or paint or both.

I really appreciate all the suggestions though - thanks again!

Regards,

Andy
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Stus-List Re: UFO noise update

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have a short line with a clip on the back of the boom that I attach to the 
split backstay and pull the traveller to the opposite side until it is 
tensioned to keep the boom from swinging.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jun 1, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Doug,
>  
> Thanks for the follow up info.  I enjoy reading how C&C mysteries are solved.
>  
> On Calypso, to prevent the boom from swinging like a late 40’s Bebop band I 
> have pulled the traveler hard over to one side then used a light line to hold 
> some tension from the other.
>  
> Also when at anchor with a side wind I used the foreguy attached to the 
> spinnaker pole track and applied some pressure forward to prevent “UFO” type 
> pumping of the mast.
>  
> Martin DeYoung
> Calypso
> 1971 C&C 43
> Seattle/Port Townsend’s yard
>  
> From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 10:55 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
> Subject: Stus-List UFO noise update
>  
> I just wanted to give an update on my UFO noise. It turned out to be my boom 
> lift. I had it tight to slow down boom swing. Now the boom swings, but no 
> UFO's. 
>  
>  
>  
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>  
> Doug Mountjoy
> Port Orchard YC
> Port Orchard,  WA
> Rebecca Leah
> 1988 LF39 
>  
>  
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Stus-List Re: UFO noise update

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Doug,

Thanks for the follow up info.  I enjoy reading how C&C mysteries are solved.

On Calypso, to prevent the boom from swinging like a late 40’s Bebop band I 
have pulled the traveler hard over to one side then used a light line to hold 
some tension from the other.

Also when at anchor with a side wind I used the foreguy attached to the 
spinnaker pole track and applied some pressure forward to prevent “UFO” type 
pumping of the mast.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle/Port Townsend’s yard

From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 10:55 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Doug Mountjoy
Subject: Stus-List UFO noise update

I just wanted to give an update on my UFO noise. It turned out to be my boom 
lift. I had it tight to slow down boom swing. Now the boom swings, but no UFO's.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

Doug Mountjoy
Port Orchard YC
Port Orchard,  WA
Rebecca Leah
1988 LF39


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Stus-List UFO noise update

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

I just wanted to give an update on my UFO noise. It turned out to be my boom 
lift. I had it tight to slow down boom swing. Now the boom swings, but no 
UFO's. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug MountjoyPort Orchard YCPort 
Orchard,  WARebecca Leah1988 LF39 Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
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Stus-List Re: Shroud tension

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I can add one trick I learned from a local old salt.  I always had trouble 
centering the mast by pulling down on the halyard as the rigging guides 
suggest.  It is hard to assess equal tension on both sides.  I got an 
inexpensive fish weighing scale, hook the halyard to it and then measure the 
tension to touch the deck on one side and then repeat on the other side.  When 
the reading is the same, the mast is centered.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jun 1, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> As this topic has come up in previous discussions you might find more answers 
> if you try a search of the archives.  That being said (IIRC), Loose 
> recommends between 10% and 15% of break strength.  The owners manuals 
> typically recommend something to the effect of "visibly slack when broad 
> reaching in 10 to 15 kts".  It doesn't seem like you are too far off.
> 
> Page 10 of the 37+ manual discusses rig tuning.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1ySXFBdDhrX0ZaMzNnazViYkZzRVRoODlSSUd3/view?usp=drivesdk
>  
> 
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 09:49 WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List  > wrote:
> Good morning,
>I dont have a loose gauge for my solid shrouds.   Wondering how much slack 
> do you see on leeward shrouds when on beam reach in 10 knots of wind?  
> Shrouds seem tight enough when at the dock, but a little floppy on leeward 
> side when sailing.
> Bill Walker 
> CnC 36-1
> Pentwater, Mi.
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Stus-List Re: Shroud tension

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Bill,

As this topic has come up in previous discussions you might find more
answers if you try a search of the archives.  That being said (IIRC), Loose
recommends between 10% and 15% of break strength.  The owners manuals
typically recommend something to the effect of "visibly slack when broad
reaching in 10 to 15 kts".  It doesn't seem like you are too far off.

Page 10 of the 37+ manual discusses rig tuning.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1ySXFBdDhrX0ZaMzNnazViYkZzRVRoODlSSUd3/view?usp=drivesdk

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 09:49 WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Good morning,
>I dont have a loose gauge for my solid shrouds.   Wondering how much
> slack do you see on leeward shrouds when on beam reach in 10 knots of
> wind?  Shrouds seem tight enough when at the dock, but a little floppy on
> leeward side when sailing.
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36-1
> Pentwater, Mi.
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> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Shroud tension

[Chad Osmond via CnC-List]

There is a good guide to the elongation process by Selden.
https://support.seldenmast.com/files/595-540-E.pdf (Page 32)
For us, this turned out to be almost the same as what the local C&C owner
said he does..

Hand tight, plus a turn and a half.

Then take it sailing and if it's floppy give it another turn.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 9:49 AM WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Good morning,
>I dont have a loose gauge for my solid shrouds.   Wondering how much
> slack do you see on leeward shrouds when on beam reach in 10 knots of
> wind?  Shrouds seem tight enough when at the dock, but a little floppy on
> leeward side when sailing.
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36-1
> Pentwater, Mi.
>
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Stus-List Re: Shroud tension

[Bob Mann via CnC-List]

I believe aft shrouds are for when running, so a little slack upwind is fine, 
maybe moving an inch or so. Forward lowers, almost no slack; uppers, no slack.  
Check the mast to see that it's still straight.

Bob Mann

> On 06/01/2021 9:49 AM WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> Good morning,
>I dont have a loose gauge for my solid shrouds.   Wondering how much 
> slack do you see on leeward shrouds when on beam reach in 10 knots of wind?  
> Shrouds seem tight enough when at the dock, but a little floppy on leeward 
> side when sailing.
> Bill Walker 
> CnC 36-1
> Pentwater, Mi.
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help 
> with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> 
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Stus-List Shroud tension

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Good morning,   I dont have a loose gauge for my solid shrouds.   Wondering how 
much slack do you see on leeward shrouds when on beam reach in 10 knots of 
wind?  Shrouds seem tight enough when at the dock, but a little floppy on 
leeward side when sailing.Bill Walker CnC 36-1Pentwater, Mi.Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
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